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he gets stronger as the game goes on....

...until he hits 20 carries.  Then he breaks down.
Are you really comfortable making that statement based on 8 carries?
Owned. :popcorn:
I think the fact that he HAD only 8 carries in the 20+ column speaks a lot.Are you really comfortable in picking a guy to be your potentially No.1 back who only has 8 carries after 20 in all of his games for his entire season? On a guy who has not only still to prove that he can carry a feature back load by himself, but has now added the question whether he can run effectively splitting time?

To further support my "breaking down" ideal, here is a pretty Miami Dolphin-colored Line Graph that I drew:

http://nces.ed.gov/nceskids/createagraph/i...82440BBBDB13D92

Obviously you can see a bit of a spike in production ;) . Seriously though, notice how it steadily increases (getting stronger, gaining momentum), then starts to decrease as he breaks down.

Do you want a guy who breaks down in the clutch? When you're at the edge of your couch, constantlychecking your laptop's realtime fantasy scores, shouting at your HDTV and watching as you're trailing by 5, and Ronnie Brown, your last producing player left, suddenly stopped producing?

Or when you're in the playoffs? Do you think 40 attempts for 118 yards and no touchdowns in the last 5 weeks of the season, including MISSING the FANTASY SUPER BOWL, is No.1 back worthy?

The latter part of Ronnie Brown’s 2002 campaign is supposed to be reason to believe that he is going to be a great running back if given the chance to shoulder the full load. When Cadillac went down with a broken leg, over the last six games he played, Brown averaged 120 rushing yards per game. But a closer look reveals a real story: After 5 games, he broke down, and joined his buddy Cadillac on the sidelines with a leg injury for the last regular season game that took him about a month to recover from to play in the last game of the season.

And that's all I've got my money on for him next year: 5 games.

Any more than that will require divine intervention. And you know what, I'll probably be a gambler that drafts him in the 2nd round one spot ahead of you, and then I'm going to trade him to you about 3 weeks into the season and then laugh at you for the rest.

:boxing:
Well excuss me if I'm wrong but didn't Caddy break down this year after getting overloaded. After 3 games of heavy work (27,24,37 carries) he broke down and could only get the ball 11 times in the next game for a 1.2 avg. Also in that 3 game stretch his yards per carry went down in every game from 5.5 to 5.3 to 4.3 to eventually 1.2. He also had to miss the next 2 weeks. Then when he returned here are his yards per carry (1.5, 2.6, 2.0) I'm just not seeing a durable back here sorry. Now they could both improve on these #'s but Ronnie was much more effective last year when getting over 15 carries. At six foot and 232 lbs. he is more built for that kind of abuse compared to the 5-10 Williams who only ways 217. Ronnie will be the much more durable back in my mind until Gruden realizes that Williams isn't a 25 carry kind of guy and he starts using him in a split backfield. I'm not taking anything away from Williams, I think he is very talented I just ? his durability.
Williams didn't break down, his foot landed awkwardly and he had his hamstring almost torn off. I think the fact that he mostly played through it (albeit VERY limited effectiveness) speaks volumes. This guy is averages at least 100 yards a game when he's healthy.And I think he's definitely a 25-30 touch back. Next year Gruden is going to get him heavily involved in the receiving game.

As for Ronnie Brown, I definitely agree that he's more built for abuse, but at the same time, the point is that he's soft. He's shown me that he hits very hard, but when he takes the other side of that hit he delivers, it wears on him just as much.

The knock on Cadillac was his weight at 205 coming out of college, as that's a little small for feature back weight... but at 217, he's the perfect combination of strength, size, elusiveness and speed to be a workhorse back.

The carries didn't bother Cadillac at all last season. Unlike Brown, he would continue to get stronger. Not get stronger persay, but he did not wear down near as fast as the defenses he faced. He simply delivers a systematic beating.

Still, take who you want, but Cadillac will be a much bigger fantasy producer next year and all of the successive years while either are in the NFL until Brown can toughen up.

It seems to me that a RB who plays through an injury to average 2 yards a carry for about a 6 game stretch is much more impressive than a RB who averages 2.5 yards a carry when healthy for half of his games.
Not if the Bucs bring back Alstott :no:
 
he gets stronger as the game goes on....

...until he hits 20 carries. Then he breaks down.
Are you really comfortable making that statement based on 8 carries?
Owned. :popcorn:
I think the fact that he HAD only 8 carries in the 20+ column speaks a lot.Are you really comfortable in picking a guy to be your potentially No.1 back who only has 8 carries after 20 in all of his games for his entire season? On a guy who has not only still to prove that he can carry a feature back load by himself, but has now added the question whether he can run effectively splitting time?

To further support my "breaking down" ideal, here is a pretty Miami Dolphin-colored Line Graph that I drew:

http://nces.ed.gov/nceskids/createagraph/i...82440BBBDB13D92

Obviously you can see a bit of a spike in production ;) . Seriously though, notice how it steadily increases (getting stronger, gaining momentum), then starts to decrease as he breaks down.

Do you want a guy who breaks down in the clutch? When you're at the edge of your couch, constantlychecking your laptop's realtime fantasy scores, shouting at your HDTV and watching as you're trailing by 5, and Ronnie Brown, your last producing player left, suddenly stopped producing?

Or when you're in the playoffs? Do you think 40 attempts for 118 yards and no touchdowns in the last 5 weeks of the season, including MISSING the FANTASY SUPER BOWL, is No.1 back worthy?

The latter part of Ronnie Brown’s 2002 campaign is supposed to be reason to believe that he is going to be a great running back if given the chance to shoulder the full load. When Cadillac went down with a broken leg, over the last six games he played, Brown averaged 120 rushing yards per game. But a closer look reveals a real story: After 5 games, he broke down, and joined his buddy Cadillac on the sidelines with a leg injury for the last regular season game that took him about a month to recover from to play in the last game of the season.

And that's all I've got my money on for him next year: 5 games.

Any more than that will require divine intervention. And you know what, I'll probably be a gambler that drafts him in the 2nd round one spot ahead of you, and then I'm going to trade him to you about 3 weeks into the season and then laugh at you for the rest.

:boxing:
Well excuss me if I'm wrong but didn't Caddy break down this year after getting overloaded. After 3 games of heavy work (27,24,37 carries) he broke down and could only get the ball 11 times in the next game for a 1.2 avg. Also in that 3 game stretch his yards per carry went down in every game from 5.5 to 5.3 to 4.3 to eventually 1.2. He also had to miss the next 2 weeks. Then when he returned here are his yards per carry (1.5, 2.6, 2.0) I'm just not seeing a durable back here sorry. Now they could both improve on these #'s but Ronnie was much more effective last year when getting over 15 carries. At six foot and 232 lbs. he is more built for that kind of abuse compared to the 5-10 Williams who only ways 217. Ronnie will be the much more durable back in my mind until Gruden realizes that Williams isn't a 25 carry kind of guy and he starts using him in a split backfield. I'm not taking anything away from Williams, I think he is very talented I just ? his durability.
Williams didn't break down, his foot landed awkwardly and he had his hamstring almost torn off. I think the fact that he mostly played through it (albeit VERY limited effectiveness) speaks volumes. This guy is averages at least 100 yards a game when he's healthy.And I think he's definitely a 25-30 touch back. Next year Gruden is going to get him heavily involved in the receiving game.

As for Ronnie Brown, I definitely agree that he's more built for abuse, but at the same time, the point is that he's soft. He's shown me that he hits very hard, but when he takes the other side of that hit he delivers, it wears on him just as much.

The knock on Cadillac was his weight at 205 coming out of college, as that's a little small for feature back weight... but at 217, he's the perfect combination of strength, size, elusiveness and speed to be a workhorse back.

The carries didn't bother Cadillac at all last season. Unlike Brown, he would continue to get stronger. Not get stronger persay, but he did not wear down near as fast as the defenses he faced. He simply delivers a systematic beating.

Still, take who you want, but Cadillac will be a much bigger fantasy producer next year and all of the successive years while either are in the NFL until Brown can toughen up.

It seems to me that a RB who plays through an injury to average 2 yards a carry for about a 6 game stretch is much more impressive than a RB who averages 2.5 yards a carry when healthy for half of his games.
Now I'm not a rocket scientist but if he only had 2 games under 2.5 (2.4 in fact) then how could he avg 2.5 in half of his games if he played in 15 games. Your reaching here. Do you know the Caddy really hurt his foot, were you there did you see the hamstring hanging off the bone? The answer is "no". Your taking the information that was given to you. If he was hurt or not isn't the question I'd still say he wore down. There is a good chance that these injuries happened because his body couldn't take the abuse. I'd say getting hurt is wearing down, his body couldn't take the punishment. I just find it funny that Ronnie and Ricky were basically splitting carries 50/50 and Caddy was getting all the carries and Caddy ended up the season with about 100 more yards total than Ronnie and 1 more td. You can take Caddy all day as long as Ricky stays away I'll take Ronnie all day. And at the end of the year I'm so sure on it I'll challenge you to a sig bet. (AS LONG AS RICKY ISN"T ON THEIR TEAM OPENING DAY.) Obviously your going to take this challenge since you said earlier "Still, take who you want, but Cadillac will be a much bigger fantasy producer next year and all of the successive years while either are in the NFL until Brown can toughen up." The challenge is their, take it if you want and please tell me where that 2.5 yards a carry came from.
 
Some of the posts here makes me crack up. Looking at stats and extrapolating it is one of the dumbest thing you can do. Lamont Jordan was supposed to be what? 2000yds+ last year? ANd Larry Johnson is supposed to get 2500 yds? LMAO.

Try watching the players a little bit...Cadillac Williams is going to have a better career than Ronnie Brown and I'm not saying that because I own Cadillac!
I don't agree and I will tell you why. I think Caddy has shown that he can cut great and run real hard, but I think that style (hard running) will make him banged up more frequently than most. Ronnie is a big guy who is faster than Caddy and has better hands and that will make him a better player IMO. While I think Caddy showed more than Brown for the year, I think Ronnie showed his potential with what I thought was the best run of the year.
 
Some of the posts here makes me crack up.  Looking at stats and extrapolating it is one of the dumbest thing you can do.  Lamont Jordan was supposed to be what?  2000yds+ last year?  ANd Larry Johnson is supposed to get 2500 yds?  LMAO.

Try watching the players a little bit...Cadillac Williams is going to have a better career than Ronnie Brown and I'm not saying that because I own Cadillac!
I don't agree and I will tell you why. I think Caddy has shown that he can cut great and run real hard, but I think that style (hard running) will make him banged up more frequently than most. Ronnie is a big guy who is faster than Caddy and has better hands and that will make him a better player IMO. While I think Caddy showed more than Brown for the year, I think Ronnie showed his potential with what I thought was the best run of the year.
Must be talking about the KC game :thumbup:

 
Some of the posts here makes me crack up.  Looking at stats and extrapolating it is one of the dumbest thing you can do.  Lamont Jordan was supposed to be what?  2000yds+ last year?  ANd Larry Johnson is supposed to get 2500 yds?  LMAO.

Try watching the players a little bit...Cadillac Williams is going to have a better career than Ronnie Brown and I'm not saying that because I own Cadillac!
I don't agree and I will tell you why. I think Caddy has shown that he can cut great and run real hard, but I think that style (hard running) will make him banged up more frequently than most. Ronnie is a big guy who is faster than Caddy and has better hands and that will make him a better player IMO. While I think Caddy showed more than Brown for the year, I think Ronnie showed his potential with what I thought was the best run of the year.
Must be talking about the KC game :thumbup:
Yep. He took the pitch and showed speed to turn the corner AND get down field beyond the lineman. Then he took a wicked hit, stayed on his feet and in bounds then showed great acceleration in blowing by some defenders and beating a DB with the angle on him. That was a fantastic run.
 
Someone had to start. They have different styles. Caddy is great as a 1st and 2nd down back where Ronnie has the great hands and receiving ability on 3rd downs.
True but the argument seems to be that Brown is better at all facets of the game and the clearly superior back. If that is the case why would he be splitting carries, not to mention not even starting? Why are we more concerned with what Saban said than what Tuberville did? I think they are both great backs and Brown may be better but I dont think its a no-brainer by any stretch. I guarantee there were plenty of opponents that felt it was Cadillac that was killing them and hoping to see Brown. That being said, Brown is probably in a slightly better position to achieve this season because of the team and system he is on. Miami's o-line is much improved and he is the only game in town as far as the Phins rushing game.
 
Someone had to start. They have different styles. Caddy is great as a 1st and 2nd down back where Ronnie has the great hands and receiving ability on 3rd downs.
True but the argument seems to be that Brown is better at all facets of the game and the clearly superior back. If that is the case why would he be splitting carries, not to mention not even starting? Why are we more concerned with what Saban said than what Tuberville did? I think they are both great backs and Brown may be better but I dont think its a no-brainer by any stretch. I guarantee there were plenty of opponents that felt it was Cadillac that was killing them and hoping to see Brown. That being said, Brown is probably in a slightly better position to achieve this season because of the team and system he is on. Miami's o-line is much improved and he is the only game in town as far as the Phins rushing game.
Put RW in TB last year and Caddy would have been splitting carries as well.RW is a pot head/headcase,but he is still a top ten RB in this league.You don't just leave guys like that on the bench.And as I mentioned in a previous thread,Brown's extended holdout really set him back last year.This will be the year for us to see if Ronnie Brown will be the real deal or not :yes:

 
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I meant splitting with Caddy at Auburn, should have clarified. I agree with your point though.
Obviously the Dolphins (and anyone arguing that R.Brown is the better back) don't agree with the decision that the Auburn coaching staff made.
 
I meant splitting with Caddy at Auburn, should have clarified. I agree with your point though.
Obviously the Dolphins (and anyone arguing that R.Brown is the better back) don't agree with the decision that the Auburn coaching staff made.
Somewhat true, but scouts and prognosticators everywhere had Brown going before Caddy. The college game is different than the pros and that could be some of the reason, but Brown did have a better YPC if I remember correctly
 
bump with the latest news regarding ricky williams suspension for the entire 2006 season

ronnie brown will be a monster in 2006 :football:

 
Got Ronnie in three leagues before Ricky's latest strike on the cheap,nice to actually make out once in a while.C'Mon now Ronnie don't let your owners down in 2006 and beyond............

 
anyone here concerned that ronnieb "cant" handle a full load? he never carried a full load at auburn and i believe that his success last year was due in part to sharing time w/ RW. dont get me wrong,i like the guy but i'm tempering some of my enthusiasm until i hear that miami doesnt go after another guy to help carry the load. :wetblanket:

 
monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006 :moneybag: player
what did you say about Kevin Jones last summer?
 
monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006  :moneybag: player
I'll bet you $1,000 in cash that Ronnie Brown fails to break 1,000 yards.edit: I am not kidding.

 
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monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006  :moneybag: player
I'll bet you $1,000 in cash that Ronnie Brown fails to break 1,000 yards.edit: I am not kidding.
credibility meet the window.
 
monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006  :moneybag: player
I'll bet you $1,000 in cash that Ronnie Brown fails to break 1,000 yards.edit: I am not kidding.
credibility meet the window.
Take my bet then buddy. If Ronnie Brown breaks 1,000 yards, I will pay you $1,000.You can argue all you want, but they won with Ricky, and sucked hardcore without him. The Dolphins will continue to lose without him this year, and Brown shouldering a full load is laughable. Even Saban laughed at that question at the beginning of the season. He couldn't wait to get Ricky back.

 
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monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006  :moneybag: player
I'll bet you $1,000 in cash that Ronnie Brown fails to break 1,000 yards.edit: I am not kidding.
credibility meet the window.
Take my bet then buddy. If Ronnie Brown breaks 1,000 yards, I will pay you $1,000.
:rolleyes:
 
monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006 :moneybag: player
I'll bet you $1,000 in cash that Ronnie Brown fails to break 1,000 yards.edit: I am not kidding.
credibility meet the window.
Take my bet then buddy. If Ronnie Brown breaks 1,000 yards, I will pay you $1,000.
MLBrandow, I asked you a ? earlier and you didn't respond....why not? Go to the top of the page.
 
monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006  :moneybag: player
I'll bet you $1,000 in cash that Ronnie Brown fails to break 1,000 yards.edit: I am not kidding.
credibility meet the window.
Take my bet then buddy. If Ronnie Brown breaks 1,000 yards, I will pay you $1,000.
:rolleyes:
So you have no problem throwing a quip here and there and being a wise-###, but when it comes time to actually set some money to your word, all you can do is look the other way :P . Good game.
 
Take my bet then buddy. If Ronnie Brown breaks 1,000 yards, I will pay you $1,000.
:rolleyes:

So you have no problem throwing a quip here and there and being a wise-###, but when it comes time to actually set some money to your word, all you can do is look the other way :P . Good game.

re-read first post here(2nd in line I know but...)

 
monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006 :moneybag: player
I'll bet you $1,000 in cash that Ronnie Brown fails to break 1,000 yards.edit: I am not kidding.
credibility meet the window.
Take my bet then buddy. If Ronnie Brown breaks 1,000 yards, I will pay you $1,000.
:rolleyes:
So you have no problem throwing a quip here and there and being a wise-###, but when it comes time to actually set some money to your word, all you can do is look the other way :P . Good game.
Can I take that bet? Probably not for $1K, too rich for my blood, but I'd bet you $100 if you're up for it.
 
monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006  :moneybag: player
I'll bet you $1,000 in cash that Ronnie Brown fails to break 1,000 yards.edit: I am not kidding.
credibility meet the window.
Take my bet then buddy. If Ronnie Brown breaks 1,000 yards, I will pay you $1,000.
:rolleyes:
So you have no problem throwing a quip here and there and being a wise-###, but when it comes time to actually set some money to your word, all you can do is look the other way :P . Good game.
:rolleyes: :11:
 
monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006  :moneybag: player
I'll bet you $1,000 in cash that Ronnie Brown fails to break 1,000 yards.edit: I am not kidding.
credibility meet the window.
Take my bet then buddy. If Ronnie Brown breaks 1,000 yards, I will pay you $1,000.
:rolleyes:
So you have no problem throwing a quip here and there and being a wise-###, but when it comes time to actually set some money to your word, all you can do is look the other way :P . Good game.
Can I take that bet? Probably not for $1K, too rich for my blood, but I'd bet you $100 if you're up for it.
Don't hold your breath when payment time comes
 
monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006  :moneybag: player
what did you say about Kevin Jones last summer?
nothing...you must have me confused with someone else :confused: if this was a question...i'm not a big kevin jones fan. he's a decent player but i just don't think he has the inner drive to be anything but average in the NFL

 
monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006  :moneybag: player
what did you say about Kevin Jones last summer?
nothing...you must have me confused with someone else :confused: if this was a question...i'm not a big kevin jones fan. he's a decent player but i just don't think he has the inner drive to be anything but average in the NFL
curious that's allRemember his strong finish the year before and all...just curious

 
Now I'm not a rocket scientist but if he only had 2 games under 2.5 (2.4 in fact) then how could he avg 2.5 in half of his games if he played in 15 games. Your reaching here. Do you know the Caddy really hurt his foot, were you there did you see the hamstring hanging off the bone? The answer is "no". Your taking the information that was given to you. If he was hurt or not isn't the question I'd still say he wore down. There is a good chance that these injuries happened because his body couldn't take the abuse. I'd say getting hurt is wearing down, his body couldn't take the punishment. I just find it funny that Ronnie and Ricky were basically splitting carries 50/50 and Caddy was getting all the carries and Caddy ended up the season with about 100 more yards total than Ronnie and 1 more td. You can take Caddy all day as long as Ricky stays away I'll take Ronnie all day. And at the end of the year I'm so sure on it I'll challenge you to a sig bet. (AS LONG AS RICKY ISN"T ON THEIR TEAM OPENING DAY.) Obviously your going to take this challenge since you said earlier "Still, take who you want, but Cadillac will be a much bigger fantasy producer next year and all of the successive years while either are in the NFL until Brown can toughen up." The challenge is their, take it if you want and please tell me where that 2.5 yards a carry came from.
You're right. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to utilize the basic Calculator function provided by the Windows software (and I'm sure many other operating systems).I considered six games close to half, since he missed a game, and 6/15 = .4

2.63 was rounded to 2.5

If you're going to try and argue that my argument is deflated because you showed that I manipulated the numbers in that instead of 8 games for 2.5 yards average it was really 6 games for 2.63 yards average, you can have that. This was the closing statement of a dozen paragraphs of argument.

But that large block of thought misses entirely the point I made, nor does it appropriately refute any of the actual information I presented. You're basing the lump of your claim over the difference of a couple games and a tenth of a yard difference.

A tenth of a yard.

 
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monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006  :moneybag: player
I'll bet you $1,000 in cash that Ronnie Brown fails to break 1,000 yards.edit: I am not kidding.
credibility meet the window.
Take my bet then buddy. If Ronnie Brown breaks 1,000 yards, I will pay you $1,000.
:rolleyes:
So you have no problem throwing a quip here and there and being a wise-###, but when it comes time to actually set some money to your word, all you can do is look the other way :P . Good game.
Can I take that bet? Probably not for $1K, too rich for my blood, but I'd bet you $100 if you're up for it.
Don't hold your breath when payment time comes
I just want to be clear that you're accepting my bet. I'm sure I won't ever see a nickel of that, but at least this forum will have one less knucklehead.And just to clarify, since it has been implied in most of this thread: I am talking rushing yards.

 
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monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006  :moneybag: player
I'll bet you $1,000 in cash that Ronnie Brown fails to break 1,000 yards.edit: I am not kidding.
credibility meet the window.
Take my bet then buddy. If Ronnie Brown breaks 1,000 yards, I will pay you $1,000.
:rolleyes:
So you have no problem throwing a quip here and there and being a wise-###, but when it comes time to actually set some money to your word, all you can do is look the other way :P . Good game.
Can I take that bet? Probably not for $1K, too rich for my blood, but I'd bet you $100 if you're up for it.
Don't hold your breath when payment time comes
I just want to be clear that you're accepting my bet. I'm sure I won't ever see a nickel of that, but at least this forum will have one less knucklehead.And just to clarify, since it has been implied in most of this thread: I am talking rushing yards.
:rolleyes:
 
Now I'm not a rocket scientist but if he only had 2 games under 2.5 (2.4 in fact) then how could he avg 2.5 in half of his games if he played in 15 games. Your reaching here. Do you know the Caddy really hurt his foot, were you there did you see the hamstring hanging off the bone? The answer is "no". Your taking the information that was given to you. If he was hurt or not isn't the question I'd still say he wore down. There is a good chance that these injuries happened because his body couldn't take the abuse. I'd say getting hurt is wearing down, his body couldn't take the punishment. I just find it funny that Ronnie and Ricky were basically splitting carries 50/50 and Caddy was getting all the carries and Caddy ended up the season with about 100 more yards total than Ronnie and 1 more td. You can take Caddy all day as long as Ricky stays away I'll take Ronnie all day. And at the end of the year I'm so sure on it I'll challenge you to a sig bet. (AS LONG AS RICKY ISN"T ON THEIR TEAM OPENING DAY.) Obviously your going to take this challenge since you said earlier "Still, take who you want, but Cadillac will be a much bigger fantasy producer next year and all of the successive years while either are in the NFL until Brown can toughen up." The challenge is their, take it if you want and please tell me where that 2.5 yards a carry came from.
You're right. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to utilize the basic Calculator function provided by the Windows software (and I'm sure many other operating systems).I considered six games close to half, since he missed a game, and 6/15 = .4

2.63 was rounded to 2.5

If you're going to try and argue that my argument is deflated because you showed that I manipulated the numbers in that instead of 8 games for 2.5 yards average it was really 6 games for 2.63 yards average, you can have that. This was the closing statement of a dozen paragraphs of argument.

But that large block of thought misses entirely the point I made, nor does it appropriately refute any of the actual information I presented. You're basing the lump of your claim over the difference of a couple games and a tenth of a yard difference.

A tenth of a yard.
There were six games last year in which Cadillac averaged 2.0 YPC. What's your point?
 
Now I'm not a rocket scientist but if he only had 2 games under 2.5 (2.4 in fact) then how could he avg 2.5 in half of his games if he played in 15 games. Your reaching here. Do you know the Caddy really hurt his foot, were you there did you see the hamstring hanging off the bone? The answer is "no". Your taking the information that was given to you. If he was hurt or not isn't the question I'd still say he wore down. There is a good chance that these injuries happened because his body couldn't take the abuse. I'd say getting hurt is wearing down, his body couldn't take the punishment. I just find it funny that Ronnie and Ricky were basically splitting carries 50/50 and Caddy was getting all the carries and Caddy ended up the season with about 100 more yards total than Ronnie and 1 more td. You can take Caddy all day as long as Ricky stays away I'll take Ronnie all day. And at the end of the year I'm so sure on it I'll challenge you to a sig bet. (AS LONG AS RICKY ISN"T ON THEIR TEAM OPENING DAY.) Obviously your going to take this challenge since you said earlier "Still, take who you want, but Cadillac will be a much bigger fantasy producer next year and all of the successive years while either are in the NFL until Brown can toughen up." The challenge is their, take it if you want and please tell me where that 2.5 yards a carry came from.
You're right. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to utilize the basic Calculator function provided by the Windows software (and I'm sure many other operating systems).I considered six games close to half, since he missed a game, and 6/15 = .4

2.63 was rounded to 2.5

If you're going to try and argue that my argument is deflated because you showed that I manipulated the numbers in that instead of 8 games for 2.5 yards average it was really 6 games for 2.63 yards average, you can have that. This was the closing statement of a dozen paragraphs of argument.

But that large block of thought misses entirely the point I made, nor does it appropriately refute any of the actual information I presented. You're basing the lump of your claim over the difference of a couple games and a tenth of a yard difference.

A tenth of a yard.
You didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express obviously. I think with your logic we can say almost every wr almost hit a thousand. Stats are what we go by for a reason, because they say the truth if you move them alittle here and alittle there it helps your arguement. If you have to move the #'s you should see that you are wrong and just not write on the subject.
 
okay: LawFitz (?) and MLBrandow are wagering $100 US dollars. LawFitz will collect should MIA RB Ronnie Brown rush for $1,000 or more yards during the 2006 NFL season. MLBrandow will collect $100 if MIA RB Ronnie Brown rushes for 999 yards or less during the 2006 NFL season :confused:

both believe the other party to be an "idiot", would love to be in a money league with the other one, and somehow fruitypebbles is involved :popcorn:

now that all of that is solved...let's discuss ronnie brown :thumbup:

 
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damn, is it too late to join in on the 1000+ yards bet? I imagine there at at least 10 guys on here that could put up $100 against MLBrandow.

I'll certainly take the bet that Brown gets 1000+ rushing yards for $100

 
okay: LawFitz (?) and MLBrandow are wagering $100 US dollars. LawFitz will collect should MIA RB Ronnie Brown rush for $1,000 or more yards during the 2006 NFL season. MLBrandow will collect $100 if MIA RB Ronnie Brown rushes for 999 yards or less during the 2006 NFL season :confused:

both believe the other party to be an "idiot", would love to be in a money league with the other one, and somehow fruitypebbles is involved :popcorn:

now that all of that is solved...let's discuss ronnie brown :thumbup:
I'm in on the bet. $100 US.Ronnie Brown was solid last year and will get at least 1000 yds now that R Dub is out of the picture. Sure Saban will work in another back also, but c'mon, he drafted him #2 overall. And Saban doesn't seem like the type of coach to draft an RB that high unless he really thinks he's special.

I see Ronnie w/1200 yds rushing, 40 catches/400 yds, and 12 total TDs in a break out 2nd season. The guy is big, fast, has quick feet, good vision, can block and catch. What more do you want from a feature back?

Durability, or lack thereof, will be the only reason he doesn't rush for a thousand next season.

ETA: we're only talking 1000 yds here. Now a days any decent back can rush for a 1000 barring injury, so this is basically an injury/no injury bet.

 
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okay: LawFitz (?) and MLBrandow are wagering $100 US dollars.  LawFitz will collect should MIA RB Ronnie Brown rush for $1,000 or more yards during the 2006 NFL season.  MLBrandow will collect $100 if MIA RB Ronnie Brown rushes for 999 yards or less during the 2006 NFL season  :confused:

both believe the other party to be an "idiot", would love to be in a money league with the other one, and somehow fruitypebbles is involved :popcorn:

now that all of that is solved...let's discuss ronnie brown  :thumbup:
I'm in on the bet. $100 US.Ronnie Brown was solid last year and will get at least 1000 yds now that R Dub is out of the picture. Sure Saban will work in another back also, but c'mon, he drafted him #2 overall. And Saban doesn't seem like the type of coach to draft an RB that high unless he really thinks he's special.

I see Ronnie w/1200 yds rushing, 40 catches/400 yds, and 12 total TDs in a break out 2nd season. The guy is big, fast, has quick feet, good vision, can block and catch. What more do you want from a feature back?

Durability, or lack thereof, will be the only reason he doesn't rush for a thousand next season.

ETA: we're only talking 1000 yds here. Now a days any decent back can rush for a 1000 barring injury, so this is basically an injury/no injury bet.
I would agree with this 100% :thumbup:
 
So you have no problem throwing a quip here and there and being a wise-###, but when it comes time to actually set some money to your word, all you can do is look the other way :P . Good game.
This schtick is incredibly lame.
 
On Mike and Mike, Golick just said that Ronnie's never been a full time back and he thinks the Phins will either draft a back (although they only have 3 picks in the first 6 rounds). Or bring in a veteran. He said Saban doesn't think Ronnie is a 25 carry/game guy. Just FYI

 
On Mike and Mike, Golick just said that Ronnie's never been a full time back and he thinks the Phins will either draft a back (although they only have 3 picks in the first 6 rounds). Or bring in a veteran. He said Saban doesn't think Ronnie is a 25 carry/game guy. Just FYI
I hope not, that would be 400 carries for the season. I like Ronnie but anything more than 300 or so carries is too much right now. Especially when you figure he'll get 50-60 receptions. That would still figure out to around 1700-1800 total yards.
 
So you have no problem throwing a quip here and there and being a wise-###, but when it comes time to actually set some money to your word, all you can do is look the other way :P .  Good game.
This schtick is incredibly lame.
so are one liners that contribute nothing to the thread.I don't like when people make up stuff with no statistical backing to it whatsoever and then decide any contradictory opinion is moot.

If Ronnie Brown is a full-time back, a lot of us here would sure like to know why beyond "well he was the 2nd pick in the draft last year so he has to be good."

I've yet to read anything in this thread even remotely convincing.

Sure he hits hard, but anyone can run full speed into tackler. What's impressive is when that happens and the back doesn't fall over grabbing his ribs and sit out the next fifteen plays.

Don't be mad at me that you wasted a dynasty pick on a RBBC back.

 
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On Mike and Mike, Golick just said that Ronnie's never been a full time back and he thinks the Phins will either draft a back (although they only have 3 picks in the first 6 rounds). Or bring in a veteran. He said Saban doesn't think Ronnie is a 25 carry/game guy. Just FYI
I hope not, that would be 400 carries for the season. I like Ronnie but anything more than 300 or so carries is too much right now. Especially when you figure he'll get 50-60 receptions. That would still figure out to around 1700-1800 total yards.
I hate adding to speculation, but wouldn't Saban have some interest in trading for Duckett?
 
So you have no problem throwing a quip here and there and being a wise-###, but when it comes time to actually set some money to your word, all you can do is look the other way :P .  Good game.
This schtick is incredibly lame.
so are one liners that contribute nothing to the thread.
It wasn't a one-liner. It was just an observation that people who toss out $1000 bets on message boards and then taunt people for not responding immediately really belong at the ESPN fantasy message board, not here.
 
You didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express obviously. I think with your logic we can say almost every wr almost hit a thousand. Stats are what we go by for a reason, because they say the truth if you move them alittle here and alittle there it helps your arguement. If you have to move the #'s you should see that you are wrong and just not write on the subject.
Forgive the obvious hostiliity, but are you special?You're trying to invalidate an entire argument based on an OBVIOUS (maybe not obvious to you, but to everyone else) ending generalization.

If you want the exact numbers ####### scroll up.

If it's that hard for you to get a simple arithmetic calculator out and punch a few numbers, you really shouldn't be in the game of fantasy football.

Don't you notice that no one is defending you?

Read the ####### post instead of skimming to the last line and trying to convince yourself that you're somehow smarter than someone who just verbally stretched out your ####### by about four sizes.

 
So you have no problem throwing a quip here and there and being a wise-###, but when it comes time to actually set some money to your word, all you can do is look the other way :P . Good game.
This schtick is incredibly lame.
so are one liners that contribute nothing to the thread.I don't like when people make up stuff with no statistical backing to it whatsoever and then decide any contradictory opinion is moot.

If Ronnie Brown is a full-time back, a lot of us here would sure like to know why beyond "well he was the 2nd pick in the draft last year so he has to be good."

I've yet to read anything in this thread even remotely convincing.

Sure he hits hard, but anyone can run full speed into tackler. What's impressive is when that happens and the back doesn't fall over grabbing his ribs and sit out the next fifteen plays.

Don't be mad at me that you wasted a dynasty pick on a RBBC back.
Your basically quoting Cadillac's season last year. He was the one that couldn't take the pain. He was the one that was suppose to be a full time guy and needed Pittman in alot and Alstott at the goal line. I don't know why you have hatred for Ronnie Brown but he's easily a pre season top 10 rb and the quicker you realize that the smarter you'll look. I saw Ronnie play alot last year and this guy will punish defensive players with the best of them. He hits them not the other way around. Here's a :2cents: buy a clue.

 
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So you have no problem throwing a quip here and there and being a wise-###, but when it comes time to actually set some money to your word, all you can do is look the other way :P .  Good game.
This schtick is incredibly lame.
so are one liners that contribute nothing to the thread.
It wasn't a one-liner. It was just an observation that people who toss out $1000 bets on message boards and then taunt people for not responding immediately really belong at the ESPN fantasy message board, not here.
Yet all either of you can come up with are unfounded estimates on future totals?Well, by that logic, everyone is going to the Super Bowl and everyone has a 1,500 rusher.

Talk about making up numbers....

Here's some real stats on Ronnie Brown:

1008

446

913

907

where in there do you see a full-time back?

Is it in the five games where he exploded in 2002 and then banged his way onto the bench for a month?

There are plenty of ####ty RBs in the NFL and college who looked great when they had someone else taking half of the beating.

I'm done fighting a one-way argument.

 

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