Ronnie Brown (1 Viewer)

[bigliebdogg]

Wasn't very good last year. Looked terrible last night.

He's in a good situation this year I'll give him that. On a team that's on the rise, a coach that is committed to the run, some good other weapons in the passing game to keep defenses honest.

But lets face it, even if you're a RB in the best possible situation, if you don't have the talent you just don't have the talent. Period.

I'm gonna laugh at the guy in my leagues who picks him 5, 6, 7, or 8 expecting to build a championship fantasy team around him

 

[Snotbubbles]

He faced what could possibly be the best run defense in the league last night. On many of the run plays the defensive linemen were in the backfield as he was getting the ball. The OL run-blocking was terrible last night.

 

[Godfather of Soul]

He faced what could possibly be the best run defense in the league last night. On many of the run plays the defensive linemen were in the backfield as he was getting the ball. The OL run-blocking was terrible last night.

my biggest concern is whether the run blocking will also be so terribleor whether it is just the Panthers. the fins have not been consistent there, correct?

 

[Sinrman]

Wasn't very good last year. Looked terrible last night.He's in a good situation this year I'll give him that. On a team that's on the rise, a coach that is committed to the run, some good other weapons in the passing game to keep defenses honest.But lets face it, even if you're a RB in the best possible situation, if you don't have the talent you just don't have the talent. Period. I'm gonna laugh at the guy in my leagues who picks him 5, 6, 7, or 8 expecting to build a championship fantasy team around him

He'll be fine. Other top RBs have had bad preseasons too. Are they going to be busts? LT hasn't even played. Will he be a bust?He as up against a staunch Carolina run defense. Relax...

 

[MU Seminole]

I actually thought that he ran hard and looked extremely strong - more than once he was dragging two and three guys for yards. The o-line was getting killed by the CAR front. He had some nice catches and showed his increased worth in PPR leagues.

As for last year, he put up almost 1,000 yards while splitting time, averaged 4.4 ypc and caught 32 balls.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Was it that Brown really looked that bad, or was the Carolina defence that good?

I'm going with the latter.

 

[-OZ-]

I actually thought that he ran hard and looked extremely strong - more than once he was dragging two and three guys for yards. The o-line was getting killed by the CAR front.

Granted, the Panthers have one of the best DL in the league, but the lackluster OL play is a cause for concern. Is it an indication of the fins year, or just another sign that Carolina should win the division?My thinking is this is an average OL, dominated by a great DL.

 

[matuski]

Knee-jerk symptoms are rampant around here these days!

 

[brakeyawself]

I actually thought that he ran hard and looked extremely strong - more than once he was dragging two and three guys for yards. The o-line was getting killed by the CAR front.

Granted, the Panthers have one of the best DL in the league, but the lackluster OL play is a cause for concern. Is it an indication of the fins year, or just another sign that Carolina should win the division?My thinking is this is an average OL, dominated by a great DL.

According to FoxSportsSubscribe Fantasy News

News: Ronnie Brown rushed for 27 yards on 13 carries and had a catch for 20 yards during Thursday night's preseason loss to Carolina.

Impact: The Dolphins are juggling their offensive line, trying to find the right mix. Brown should be a top-five PPR back in 2006. (Fri. Aug 25, 2006)

 

[MU Seminole]

I actually thought that he ran hard and looked extremely strong - more than once he was dragging two and three guys for yards. The o-line was getting killed by the CAR front.

Granted, the Panthers have one of the best DL in the league, but the lackluster OL play is a cause for concern. Is it an indication of the fins year, or just another sign that Carolina should win the division?My thinking is this is an average OL, dominated by a great DL.

Agreed. I think it's some of both. CAR's front looked amazing at times. MIA's front won't be among the NFL's best but they shouldn't be that bad IMO.

 

[Todem]

Wasn't very good last year. Looked terrible last night.He's in a good situation this year I'll give him that. On a team that's on the rise, a coach that is committed to the run, some good other weapons in the passing game to keep defenses honest.But lets face it, even if you're a RB in the best possible situation, if you don't have the talent you just don't have the talent. Period. I'm gonna laugh at the guy in my leagues who picks him 5, 6, 7, or 8 expecting to build a championship fantasy team around him

You could not be more off on that statement. Let's see how he plays this year getting 22-30 carries a game as well as 2-3 receptions per game. Then tell me how bad he is. If you think he has no talent, then I think you would not know what a talented RB looks like if it hit you in the face.

 

[shamrock84]

Wasn't very good last year. Looked terrible last night.He's in a good situation this year I'll give him that. On a team that's on the rise, a coach that is committed to the run, some good other weapons in the passing game to keep defenses honest.But lets face it, even if you're a RB in the best possible situation, if you don't have the talent you just don't have the talent. Period. I'm gonna laugh at the guy in my leagues who picks him 5, 6, 7, or 8 expecting to build a championship fantasy team around him

 

[Synthesizer]

I thought he looked pretty good on about 4 touches, pretty bad on about 4 other touches, and the defense was in the backfield on the last 4 touches. Time to panic!!!

 

[PatsWillWin]

I also think that Ronnie will be a bust (relative to his ADP), but it has little to do with last night's game.

 

[Blitzkrieg88]

Wasn't very good last year. Looked terrible last night.

He's in a good situation this year I'll give him that. On a team that's on the rise, a coach that is committed to the run, some good other weapons in the passing game to keep defenses honest.

But lets face it, even if you're a RB in the best possible situation, if you don't have the talent you just don't have the talent. Period.

I'm gonna laugh at the guy in my leagues who picks him 5, 6, 7, or 8 expecting to build a championship fantasy team around him

He was very solid for a rookie, and should only improve on his numbers this year. He is loaded with talent and plays in a good situation. Not sure where this is coming from... is this based on last night alone?

 

[incubus0]

The oline is the only concern in MIA. Everything else looks very solid, especially their schedule.

If last night made people question Ronnie Brown, great! I'll be happy to pay less for him, and when weeks 15 and 16 roll around, I'll be smiling that he's going up against Buf and NYJ, 2 of the worst run D's.

 

[Todem]

Ricky Williams ran behind a line with equally avergae talent and put up 1800 yards rushing in 2002. Preseason is such BS for the most part. Use it to evalute guy's fighting for jobs and rookies. At least thats what I learned a long time ago.

How about Daunte and his performance though. He looked very comfortable. 14/19 for 130. Yeah he is ready.

 

[shamrock84]

' date='Aug 25 2006, 08:27 AM' post='5392276']I believe he's got ball cancer

Poor guy... RIP Ronnie oursoutliquor:

 

[Chumpson]

I was actually moving him up after last nights game. I wanted to see desire and toughness. There were countless times he made gains after initial contact. If you think this kid goes down with arm tackles think again. He will be good, Carolina is just that tough against the run. The stupid announcers even mentioned that in Carolina they TAKE AWAY THE RUN and make you pass, which is what Miami had success doing. They won't be playing Carolina every week, I think he moves up, but feel free to drop him and start bashing him maybe I will get him cheaper.

 

[incubus0]

Ricky Williams ran behind a line with equally avergae talent and put up 1800 yards rushing in 2002. Preseason is such BS for the most part. Use it to evalute guy's fighting for jobs and rookies. At least thats what I learned a long time ago. How about Daunte and his performance though. He looked very comfortable. 14/19 for 130. Yeah he is ready.

I like Ronnie Brown, but he's no Ricky Williams.The fact that they are still moving players around on the line and haven't decided who's going where is what is concerning me, more then what they showed in any preseason game.The oline takes times to mesh, they have to learn each others tendencies, and right now, the MIA oline isn't able to do that.Ya, Dante looked good, very comfortable, and Chambers looks like he's licking his chops at this opportunity to be a top NFL WR and get those big endorsement deals.

 

[Cool in the pocket]

This year seems worse than any other for dogging on the top picks. For the last couple of weeks, this board has been jammed with reasons why you shouldn't pick this guy or that guy, why some guy's 10 carry performance means he should be dropped to the 3rd round or why RB3 on a team's depth chart suddenly looks like gold. Preseason is preseason--it means very little to vets or studs, it means everything to "on the bubble players", 4th string WR's and the media. It is pretty rare that a situation like TJ/Benson (IE starting RB's) evolves in preseason though this year seems to be one of the worst in recent memory.

Brown's will have the opps, no doubt, to be a RB1. A 13 carry effort against a top D does nothing to dispel that. If he had gone 13 for 70 and maybe a TD, he prolly would have gone to RB6

 

[my man otis]

I actually thought that he ran hard and looked extremely strong - more than once he was dragging two and three guys for yards. The o-line was getting killed by the CAR front. He had some nice catches and showed his increased worth in PPR leagues.As for last year, he put up almost 1,000 yards while splitting time, averaged 4.4 ypc and caught 32 balls.

agreed. he's one of the few guys this year that I can say does not have any serious question marks.

 

[littletank]

So you are saying that R. Brown is a bust because his Oline looks bad?

Did you take LJ as your first pick because if you did, he's going to suck because that offense has been horrible this preseason.

 

[Otis]

He's good, but I'm still amazed when people are ranking him above Cadillac.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

Everyone needs to relax, Ronnie Brown will be fine this year and is actually a great pick this year in the mid to late first round. The Dolphins have an easy run defense schedule going up against teams like Buff, NYJ, and NE twice this year. Add a healthy CPEPP which defenses will have to respect and you have yourself a productive season of 1300 yards and 10 TD's. His only question will be durability, but you can say that for any RB in the league.

 

[Obie Wan]

Ronnie Brown is fine.

However, the OL continues to be a mess- starting with Fat Bennie Anderson.

Culpepper will probably get knocked out again to ruin Brown's and everyone else's fantasy value.

 

[incubus0]

So you are saying that R. Brown is a bust because his Oline looks bad?Did you take LJ as your first pick because if you did, he's going to suck because that offense has been horrible this preseason.

Ronnie Brown is a good back, LT is a great back.A good back can have a great year if he's in the right situation. That situation consists of 5 things, in no particular order.1. Good oline2. Decent passing game to keep Ds honest3. Light run schedule4. Named as the clear starter5. HealthyHe has 4 of them, and I happen to think oline is pretty important. If he had all 5, I'd rank him a lot higher.

...The Dolphins have an easy run defense schedule going up against teams like Buff, NYJ, and NE twice this year...

My beloved Patriots have one of the best run D's, it's their passing D that sucks, but ya, MIA has a sweet schedule for a RB after you add in the non-division games against Hou and Det.

 

[Kobayashi]

That situation consists of 5 things, in no particular order.

1. Good oline

2. Decent passing game to keep Ds honest

3. Light run schedule

4. Named as the clear starter

5. Healthy

He has 4 of them

Count me as pro Brown. I'm glad I watched the game. It was one of the first times I saw him play. I'd question him from some of the posts.

I don't remember seeing him go down on the first hit and he showed power consistently and nice speed (especially on the 20 yd pass he caught). I think he also pass protected well - but wasn;t really looking for that and Daunte did have to scramble. Maybe I am just being glass half full.

While the offensive line is a concern - to some extent it is like injuries - in that you need a little luck that they can gel and get better while keeping the injury bug away. If you want to pass on him and grab Edge with AZ's all star line thats your choice.

I think another item to add to the list is good coaching. I'm hoping that that will help the line problems.

The only other thing that concerns me is whether Saban will use a commitee as was mentioned last night but hopefully Brown will be the primary back all season whether they bring someone in or not.

 

[Drop]

Ronnie Brown looked good when he had room. He was hard to bring down and showed that he'd fight for extra yards, he did what he could. He's in a good situation, the real question is whether the O line just looked so bad because it was against Carolina. It's not really his fault that guys up front were getting killed consistently. Kris Jenkins looked quick, powerful, & dominant. He was manhandling guys all night. Culpepper was very solid from the standpoint of feeling the pressure and reacting to it. He seemed to have a good feel for where guys were, how to avoid them and get rid of the ball. Big Play Chris Chambers will be solid again, he's has always been able to make tough catches and that won't change.

Ronnie Brown also showed us that he is a lefty and that he can throw a nice spiral, that's gotta have some fantasy value.

The question is the offensive line, not the running back. I think that they have a decent enough line, and Saban's gameplanning is very solid. He's got that team playing football the right way. They will be hard to shut down, because they have a solid flexible defense which allows them to keep games close and run the ball. They are also able to use various weapons to exploit mismatches in the passing game, and Culpepper is a running threat. There are not many things that they can't do offensively to adjust to who they are playing.

If the question is Ronnie Brown's overall talent, I just don't understand what's not to like. He's shared time with Caddy and Ricky, and he always made plays. This is a big chance for him to have a breakout statistical year, and I believe that he has shown the talent to be very productive in his current situation. I think that he could realistically be considered anywhere from 4-10 in fantasy drafts, if you think that he has it upstairs to step out of his RBBC mindset and into the upper echelon of NFL feature backs. Debating that would make this post much longer so I won't get into it now.

 

[Todem]

Ricky Williams ran behind a line with equally avergae talent and put up 1800 yards rushing in 2002. Preseason is such BS for the most part. Use it to evalute guy's fighting for jobs and rookies. At least thats what I learned a long time ago. How about Daunte and his performance though. He looked very comfortable. 14/19 for 130. Yeah he is ready.

I like Ronnie Brown, but he's no Ricky Williams.The fact that they are still moving players around on the line and haven't decided who's going where is what is concerning me, more then what they showed in any preseason game.The oline takes times to mesh, they have to learn each others tendencies, and right now, the MIA oline isn't able to do that.Ya, Dante looked good, very comfortable, and Chambers looks like he's licking his chops at this opportunity to be a top NFL WR and get those big endorsement deals.

I agree not he is not Ricky in his prime (yet), but he will be able to put up 1300 with 10 TD's and catch 40 balls for 300-350 and a score or 2. Ronnie is a top 6 in PPR HP leagues.

 

[fatboyj711]

He's good, but I'm still amazed when people are ranking him above Cadillac.

i'm amazed that cadillac supporters/owners fail to acknowledge the existence of pittman and alstott

 

[Traders2001]

I agree he looks average at best , and that s how he looked last season also.

 

[sholditch]

Wasn't very good last year. Looked terrible last night.

He's in a good situation this year I'll give him that. On a team that's on the rise, a coach that is committed to the run, some good other weapons in the passing game to keep defenses honest.

But lets face it, even if you're a RB in the best possible situation, if you don't have the talent you just don't have the talent. Period.

I'm gonna laugh at the guy in my leagues who picks him 5, 6, 7, or 8 expecting to build a championship fantasy team around him

He'll be fine. Other top RBs have had bad preseasons too. Are they going to be busts? LT hasn't even played. Will he be a bust?He as up against a staunch Carolina run defense. Relax...

I am getting so freaking sick of this line. Everyone gets the argument. IF you feel the preseason should never be discussed stay out of preseason discussion threads. Seriously.

 

[BigRed]

i'm amazed that cadillac supporters/owners fail to acknowledge the existence of pittman and alstott

I'm amazed you think either are a real threat, but anyway...Brown should be "OK" ie should put up at least reasonably decent stats, but I have been less than impressed with him since college and that hasn't changed. True CAR DL was dominating the MIA OL, but a truly good back could have on at least 1 or 2 occasions made something happen. He didn't. In fact that goal line carry on 4th was laughably bad. He just took the handoff and sort of waltzed into the center, seemingly waiting for someone to tackle him. I think he even closed his eyes, lol. He has little in the way of moves or a burst and with that shaky OL plus a tendency to getting nicked up.....no thanks.

 

[doughboydeluxe]

Wasn't very good last year. Looked terrible last night.

He's in a good situation this year I'll give him that. On a team that's on the rise, a coach that is committed to the run, some good other weapons in the passing game to keep defenses honest.

But lets face it, even if you're a RB in the best possible situation, if you don't have the talent you just don't have the talent. Period.

I'm gonna laugh at the guy in my leagues who picks him 5, 6, 7, or 8 expecting to build a championship fantasy team around him

He'll be fine. Other top RBs have had bad preseasons too. Are they going to be busts? LT hasn't even played. Will he be a bust?He as up against a staunch Carolina run defense. Relax...

I am getting so freaking sick of this line. Everyone gets the argument. IF you feel the preseason should never be discussed stay out of preseason discussion threads. Seriously.

Don't want to speak for Sinrman, but I don't think he was saying not to discuss the preseason. He's just saying don't overreact to the preseason like many people here seem to do.

 

[sholditch]

I know, but the point has been made ad nauseum. And especially in terms of the 3rd week of preseason, this is as close to an NFL game as you can get without being an NFL game.

Ronnie did not look great last night, but didn't look that bad either. I think it's hard to judge a back on just 13 carries, but he didn't show much ability to read holes, but then again, he has never really excelled at that, which is why I have always said Caddy is the better back, pro and college. Ronnie is a run-em-over type of back, and that's not going to work against everyone, especially without a stellar offensive line. I don't see huge reason for concern, but then I've never considered him a top-ten back.

 

[Hue G]

Wasn't very good last year. Looked terrible last night.He's in a good situation this year I'll give him that. On a team that's on the rise, a coach that is committed to the run, some good other weapons in the passing game to keep defenses honest.But lets face it, even if you're a RB in the best possible situation, if you don't have the talent you just don't have the talent. Period. I'm gonna laugh at the guy in my leagues who picks him 5, 6, 7, or 8 expecting to build a championship fantasy team around him

Other busts Larry Johnson - 4 attempts for 8 yards vs. the Giants Tiki - 5 for 22 yards vs. ChiefsRudi Johnson - 3 for 3 yards vs. BillsKevin Jones - 6 for 7 yards vs. the BrownsD. Foster - 4 for 10 vs. JaxF. Taylor - 5 for 15 vs. CarStephen Jackson - 4 for 10 vs. TexansEdge - 2 for 5 vs. PatriotsJ Jones - 13 for 29 vs. SaintsR Bush - 4 for 7 vs. CowboysThat's just week 2, there are many more busts in week one, I don't think I'm going to even draft a running back this year!!!

 

[Hue G]

I know, but the point has been made ad nauseum. And especially in terms of the 3rd week of preseason, this is as close to an NFL game as you can get without being an NFL game.Ronnie did not look great last night, but didn't look that bad either. I think it's hard to judge a back on just 13 carries, but he didn't show much ability to read holes, but then again, he has never really excelled at that, which is why I have always said Caddy is the better back, pro and college. Ronnie is a run-em-over type of back, and that's not going to work against everyone, especially without a stellar offensive line. I don't see huge reason for concern, but then I've never considered him a top-ten back.

It's kind of hard to find a hole when the opposing defense if in your backfield as soon as you're handed the ball.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I thought Brown looked good last night against a top run defense with an offensive line with a couple new starters. In a regular season game, I think you'll see Brown either go over the top or run with much more power at the goal line than he did during that weak 4th and 1 carry. I for one am glad he's not diving head first at the goal line in the preseason.

I took Ronnie at 1.04 in one league last week, and I'll take him at 1.04 in my other draft this Sunday. I think he's the most complete RB to come into the league since LT2, and he's going to hang a big number this year.

 

[sholditch]

I know, but the point has been made ad nauseum. And especially in terms of the 3rd week of preseason, this is as close to an NFL game as you can get without being an NFL game.

Ronnie did not look great last night, but didn't look that bad either. I think it's hard to judge a back on just 13 carries, but he didn't show much ability to read holes, but then again, he has never really excelled at that, which is why I have always said Caddy is the better back, pro and college. Ronnie is a run-em-over type of back, and that's not going to work against everyone, especially without a stellar offensive line. I don't see huge reason for concern, but then I've never considered him a top-ten back.

It's kind of hard to find a hole when the opposing defense if in your backfield as soon as you're handed the ball.

Try reading posts before quoting them.

 

[Hue G]

I know, but the point has been made ad nauseum. And especially in terms of the 3rd week of preseason, this is as close to an NFL game as you can get without being an NFL game.

Ronnie did not look great last night, but didn't look that bad either. I think it's hard to judge a back on just 13 carries, but he didn't show much ability to read holes, but then again, he has never really excelled at that, which is why I have always said Caddy is the better back, pro and college. Ronnie is a run-em-over type of back, and that's not going to work against everyone, especially without a stellar offensive line. I don't see huge reason for concern, but then I've never considered him a top-ten back.

It's kind of hard to find a hole when the opposing defense if in your backfield as soon as you're handed the ball.

Try reading posts before quoting them.

 

[Otis]

He's good, but I'm still amazed when people are ranking him above Cadillac.

i'm amazed that cadillac supporters/owners fail to acknowledge the existence of pittman and alstott

Those guys were there last year. Go check out Cadillac's per-game numbers (and, no, I'm not in the business of predicting injuries).

 

[Jayrod]

Other busts Larry Johnson - 4 attempts for 8 yards vs. the Giants Tiki - 5 for 22 yards vs. ChiefsRudi Johnson - 3 for 3 yards vs. BillsKevin Jones - 6 for 7 yards vs. the BrownsD. Foster - 4 for 10 vs. JaxF. Taylor - 5 for 15 vs. CarStephen Jackson - 4 for 10 vs. TexansEdge - 2 for 5 vs. PatriotsJ Jones - 13 for 29 vs. SaintsR Bush - 4 for 7 vs. CowboysThat's just week 2, there are many more busts in week one, I don't think I'm going to even draft a running back this year!!!

Don't forget that LT hasn't even played yet, and Portis' is already injured. I agree, I'll probably leave my RB slots empty in week 1. :kneejerkreaction:

 

[jestertj]

Was it that Brown really looked that bad, or was the Carolina defence that good?I'm going with the latter.

Defence, eh? I'm really on the fence with Brown. When he gets loose though he's a load. Maybe I'm more on the fence with his line. He seems to do everything well when he gets the space. How much of this can be blamed on bland preseason offense? I just know I'm going to be sitting at my draft having to make a decision on this guy when my pick comes up.

 

[doughboydeluxe]

Just look at Ronnie's schedule. Not too many Carolinas on there.

at Pittsburgh

Buffalo

Tennessee

at Houston

at New England

at NY Jets

Green Bay

at Chicago

Kansas City

Minnesota

at Detroit

Jacksonville

New England

at Buffalo

NY Jets

at Indy

 

[sholditch]

Just look at Ronnie's schedule. Not too many Carolinas on there.at PittsburghBuffaloTennesseeat Houstonat New Englandat NY JetsGreen Bayat ChicagoKansas CityMinnesotaat DetroitJacksonvilleNew Englandat BuffaloNY Jetsat Indy

with that sched he should do fine.

 

[Mario Kart]

I love it. The season is upon us and the posters who only read NFL.com for the stats are in full bloom. The people who do not actually watch the games but just look at the stats and make assumptions from those after the fact. Be prepared for even more of these kinds of posts... the stat watchers... because the season is upon us.

 

[3nOut]

Maybe just before the game Mularkey reminded him not to 'dance' too much.

 

[switz]

Just look at Ronnie's schedule. Not too many Carolinas on there.at PittsburghBuffaloTennesseeat Houstonat New Englandat NY JetsGreen Bayat ChicagoKansas CityMinnesotaat DetroitJacksonvilleNew Englandat BuffaloNY Jetsat Indy

with that sched he should do fine.

Buffalo will surprise with their D

 

[Armando]

I just find this hilarious as he ran for 130+ on Carolina last year....