Ronnie Brown (1 Viewer)

[dmac37]

I think many of us have the same opinion about Ronnie's situation. If they would give him more like 75% of the RB touches he would be $$$, but that still does not seem to be the case with Ricky getting so many looks.

2 view points

Sell high:

The ratio of touches stays about the same as the year goes on and Brown will not be able to score FF points like last night very often with this split. He lokked great last night but is still only a very low #2 or high #3 RB

Buy or Hold:

It seems obvious to all of us that Brown gives Miami the best chance to produce on offense and IF the Dolphins staff finally sees this, Brown starts getting more like 70-75% of the touches. With a heavier work load and the o line playing like last night Brown becomes a #1 or high #2 RB.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Sell high. He looked great last night, scored a bunch of points, and was on national TV. What more could you ask for?

In reality, both of his TDs were fluky. He was arguably down on the first TD, and he wasn't in the goal line package for most of the series on the second TD. He was on the sidelines for two or three goal line plays, then came in, and scored. I'm not sure if he's going to normally be the GL guy, or if Ricky or a FB will be the main option. Combine that with the awful Indy D, and his good name status, and I think people will be very likely to want to buy high on Brown.

 

[rvmblack]

If you actually drafted him, I would get rid of him as quickly as possible

 

[chicosbailbond]

Isn't this a contract year for Ronnie? Do you guys think he will still be in Miami next year and if so, will Ricky still be around?

 

[Knobs]

I sold him last week, but I wish I had held onto him so I could sell him this week.

Bob Sanders was out - the Colts are terrible on defense without him.

It's not like Ronnie got a lot more carries than Ricky - in fact, it was split fairly evenly. The only difference was Ronnie was able to do a lot more with his touches because of Sanders being out.

Sell, sell, sell, while you can.

 

[NYG Endzone]

Ronnie is pretty old

 

[hoopvillian]

I'm keeping him. Did you guys see his face during the game? He's having fun and playing hard. He has the talent. He's in a contract year (not sure, going off chicosbailbond's post). They'll run 60% of their plays, even if they're behind.

 

[zamboni]

If someone is willing to pay an RB1 price, then I would take it. Unless Rasta gets hurt, I don't think he'll get enough touches on a weekly basis to generate RB1 production.

Otherwise, I would hold.

 

[Resident A]

I don't own him, but I'd keep him.

He is a rock solid RB2. Sure, there will be a few more weeks like Week 1 where Ricky gets the TD & equal carries, but he'll also have more great weeks like MNF. If you can handle a little inconsistency, you'll be rewarded with some big weeks.

 

[Knobs]

I'm keeping him. Did you guys see his face during the game? He's having fun and playing hard. He has the talent. He's in a contract year (not sure, going off chicosbailbond's post). They'll run 60% of their plays, even if they're behind.

Contract year means nothing as far as predicting a better/worse statistical season than normal.Yes, they run, but they split those carries with Ricky. Against a team that has a better defense, Ronnie won't average 6 ypc...and touchdowns are hard to predict, especially when it's not clear who is the goal line guy.Sell him for Lynch, SJax, Moreno, Jacobs, Barber, LT....

 

[aburt19]

I'm keeping him. Did you guys see his face during the game? He's having fun and playing hard. He has the talent. He's in a contract year (not sure, going off chicosbailbond's post). They'll run 60% of their plays, even if they're behind.

Contract year means nothing as far as predicting a better/worse statistical season than normal.Yes, they run, but they split those carries with Ricky. Against a team that has a better defense, Ronnie won't average 6 ypc...and touchdowns are hard to predict, especially when it's not clear who is the goal line guy.Sell him for Lynch, SJax, Moreno, Jacobs, Barber, LT....

I wouldn't trade Brown for Lynch, who may be in just as much a time share as Brown given the way Jackson has played.I wouldn't trade Brown for SJax given the train wreck that the Rams have for an offense.I wouldn't trade him for Moreno, who hasn't proved anything yet.I MIGHT trade him for LT, but that's based on a belief that LT isn't done.I would trade him for Jacobs or Barber.ETA-Take away the one 58 yard run that SJax had and he's averaged 3.5 YPC on his other 32 carries.

 

[dmac37]

PPR Dynasty

What WR's would be around the same value as Brown?

 

[GreedoShotFirst]

I was just coming in to ask those who say sell, who would you trade him for? In my standard scoring league, he is currently the 9th rated back behind Gore, AP, CJ3, McGahee, Fred Jackson, Barber, Sproles and Benson.

you're not getting the first 3, I wouldn't take McGahee, Jackson or Sproles. Barber is dinged and personally, I'm keeping Ronnie over Benson. Do you move him for Thomas Jones? Ryan Grant? Caddy?

Seriously, who are you thinking you're getting for "sell high" Ronnie?

 

[Knobs]

I was just coming in to ask those who say sell, who would you trade him for? In my standard scoring league, he is currently the 9th rated back behind Gore, AP, CJ3, McGahee, Fred Jackson, Barber, Sproles and Benson. you're not getting the first 3, I wouldn't take McGahee, Jackson or Sproles. Barber is dinged and personally, I'm keeping Ronnie over Benson. Do you move him for Thomas Jones? Ryan Grant? Caddy?Seriously, who are you thinking you're getting for "sell high" Ronnie?

See post #10.Moreno, Lynch, SJax, Barber, LT, Jacobs are just some of the guys I'd sell him for.

 

[dmac37]

I was just coming in to ask those who say sell, who would you trade him for? In my standard scoring league, he is currently the 9th rated back behind Gore, AP, CJ3, McGahee, Fred Jackson, Barber, Sproles and Benson. you're not getting the first 3, I wouldn't take McGahee, Jackson or Sproles. Barber is dinged and personally, I'm keeping Ronnie over Benson. Do you move him for Thomas Jones? Ryan Grant? Caddy?Seriously, who are you thinking you're getting for "sell high" Ronnie?

See post #10.Moreno, Lynch, SJax, Barber, LT, Jacobs are just some of the guys I'd sell him for.

In a dynasty before Monday night I was turned down trying to trade Brown for either Lynch or Moreno, not sure if things would be different now in a dynasty.

 

[habsfan]

"Willing to sell for" and "think you're getting" might be a ways apart.

He's 10th in RB scoring in my league's format at a 4th round price. After two weeks, that's a "hold" for me.

 

[zamboni]

ETA-Take away the one 58 yard run that SJax had and he's averaged 3.5 YPC on his other 32 carries.

3...2...1...

 

[Johnny Ice]

I was just coming in to ask those who say sell, who would you trade him for? In my standard scoring league, he is currently the 9th rated back behind Gore, AP, CJ3, McGahee, Fred Jackson, Barber, Sproles and Benson. you're not getting the first 3, I wouldn't take McGahee, Jackson or Sproles. Barber is dinged and personally, I'm keeping Ronnie over Benson. Do you move him for Thomas Jones? Ryan Grant? Caddy?Seriously, who are you thinking you're getting for "sell high" Ronnie?

See post #10.Moreno, Lynch, SJax, Barber, LT, Jacobs are just some of the guys I'd sell him for.

Jacobs is the only one I would bite on. LT and Brown are a wash to me.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Sell him for Lynch, SJax, Moreno, Jacobs, Barber, LT....

Steven Jackson and Marion Barber (unless his injury turns out to be serious) are only ones on this list that I'd prefer over Ronnie Brown - and Jackson's offense is looking scary bad. Moreno and Jacobs are just as mired in a RBBC. Moreno may eventually pull away from Buckhalter but who knows?Lynch is still a week away. Will he be eased back? Has Freddy Jackson earned a bigger slice of the pie than in the past. Plus Brown is a better runner and has a better o-line.LT is in decline and is injured right now. Sproles sees as many touches as Ricy does.

 

[urbanhack]

I'm buying high.

Literally.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Isn't this a contract year for Ronnie? Do you guys think he will still be in Miami next year and if so, will Ricky still be around?

Interesting story regarding Ricky - can't find the link but I'll try to explain what happened. This happend a few weeks ago.Ricky was stretching out at practice one day when Parcells walked up to him and handed him a folded up yellow post-it note.The note said "One year - 4.5 million - come see me after practice"After practice Ricky walked into his office and signed a 1 year deal at 4.5 million for the 2010 season. He told his agent Leigh Steinberg that he didn't need him and that he would sign the deal himself. It was a million dollar raise from this year's 3.5 miilion. After he signed he informed the press that he was happy to retire a Dolphin after the 2010 season.Not sure how this affects Ronnie but it does give the team leverage with Ricky & Cobbs already in the mix for next year.

 

[big0mar]

Brown is going to be what he was last year - inconsistent. Some games he'll put up numbers like last night. Other games he will be a non-factor. The Dolphins offense is mercurial - one week its run-based, the next week its all timed passing.

 

[LOCO]

sit tight fellas. dolphins play chargers next and brown will ran all over them. that would be our sell high moment. if you can get slaton, possible forte than i would move brown.

i am not moving brown for LT, lynch, moreno etc.

 

[Bushead]

Isn't this a contract year for Ronnie? Do you guys think he will still be in Miami next year and if so, will Ricky still be around?

Interesting story regarding Ricky - can't find the link but I'll try to explain what happened. This happend a few weeks ago.Ricky was stretching out at practice one day when Parcells walked up to him and handed him a folded up yellow post-it note.

The note said "One year - 4.5 million - come see me after practice"

After practice Ricky walked into his office and signed a 1 year deal at 4.5 million for the 2010 season. He told his agent Leigh Steinberg that he didn't need him and that he would sign the deal himself. It was a million dollar raise from this year's 3.5 miilion. After he signed he informed the press that he was happy to retire a Dolphin after the 2010 season.

Not sure how this affects Ronnie but it does give the team leverage with Ricky & Cobbs already in the mix for next year.

here you go link

 

[thehornet]

Sell high. He looked great last night, scored a bunch of points, and was on national TV. What more could you ask for?In reality, both of his TDs were fluky. He was arguably down on the first TD, and he wasn't in the goal line package for most of the series on the second TD. He was on the sidelines for two or three goal line plays, then came in, and scored. I'm not sure if he's going to normally be the GL guy, or if Ricky or a FB will be the main option. Combine that with the awful Indy D, and his good name status, and I think people will be very likely to want to buy high on Brown.

Give me a break. In reality, he DID score both TD's. Fluky or not. He got them.He was on the sideline because he just worked his TAIL OFF on back to back to back wildcat packages. He was gassed for a few minutes. Once he caught his breath, he was in. Ronnie Brown looked AWESOME last night. Fast, elusive, read his blocks correctly, outstanding burst, keen awareness, barreling though the defense when needed..... What more could you ask for really? The fact that he is probably your #2 is INSANE good fortune. Why sell that?

 

[JD8p]

Last Friday I offered Brown and Braylon Edwards FOR Ray Rice and Santonio Holmes in a PPR league and was shot down without hesitation.

I would still like to sell Brown as I have Reggie Bush and Leon Washington on my bench, and think I could take some risks. But what is really fair value right now? Would I still make the same deal I offered on Friday? It is really tough to say at this point.

I am in dire need of receiver help with my 2 and 3 being Edwards and Royal but I find it hard to come up with something. At this point, the best I see is an owner who is desperate at RB and offering Brown and Burleson FOR Randy Moss and Mewelde Moore…who knows…

 

[SSOG]

I've been saying all summer that Ronnie Brown is secretly one of the most gifted runners in the league today, and he's also a quality blocker and receiver. Miami's offense runs through him- hell, they designed a huge portion of their offense around eliminating the QB and giving the ball directly to him. Two years ago, before his injury, he was setting the league on fire. Last year, he was still pretty darn good despite being 1 year removed from an injury that, historically speaking, takes 2 years to recover from. This year, he looks to be back to "setting the world on fire" form.

Yes, Ronnie Brown is in a timeshare with Ricky Williams. DeAngelo Williams and Chris Johnson are in timeshares, too. You know what all three teams have in common? The lead back in the timeshare is an incredible talent, and the team in question is going to run, run, run, run, run until the wheels fall off (and a smaller piece of a bigger pie is still a big piece). Besides, are we really scared off of Brown because of RICKY WILLIAMS? Everyone is quite certain that Tomlinson is done because he's 30. Thomas Jones is downright decrepit at 31. That must mean that Ricky Williams is practically a corpse already at the ripe old age of 32. He's clearly an inferior player to Brown at this stage of their respective careers.

I'd be willing to sell high on Ronnie Brown... but it'd have to be high, indeed. I view Brown as a top RB2, possibly even a low-end RB1. If I can get that kind of value in return for him, I'll move him... but it doesn't seem likely.

 

[BringItOn]

PPR DynastyWhat WR's would be around the same value as Brown?

Naturally, I'd take any of the top 5 WR's l in return, though one can't realistically expect to get that straight up.I've seen offers of Bowe,Boldin thus far this week.

 

[Wrigley]

I'm holding

Although, I may throw him out on the block.

You just never know

 

[dmac37]

I've been saying all summer that Ronnie Brown is secretly one of the most gifted runners in the league today, and he's also a quality blocker and receiver. Miami's offense runs through him- hell, they designed a huge portion of their offense around eliminating the QB and giving the ball directly to him. Two years ago, before his injury, he was setting the league on fire. Last year, he was still pretty darn good despite being 1 year removed from an injury that, historically speaking, takes 2 years to recover from. This year, he looks to be back to "setting the world on fire" form. Yes, Ronnie Brown is in a timeshare with Ricky Williams. DeAngelo Williams and Chris Johnson are in timeshares, too. You know what all three teams have in common? The lead back in the timeshare is an incredible talent, and the team in question is going to run, run, run, run, run until the wheels fall off (and a smaller piece of a bigger pie is still a big piece). Besides, are we really scared off of Brown because of RICKY WILLIAMS? Everyone is quite certain that Tomlinson is done because he's 30. Thomas Jones is downright decrepit at 31. That must mean that Ricky Williams is practically a corpse already at the ripe old age of 32. He's clearly an inferior player to Brown at this stage of their respective careers.I'd be willing to sell high on Ronnie Brown... but it'd have to be high, indeed. I view Brown as a top RB2, possibly even a low-end RB1. If I can get that kind of value in return for him, I'll move him... but it doesn't seem likely.

SSOG, I like reading your take on FF issues.In a PPR dynasty what type of WR would you need in a trade for Brown?

 

[dmac37]

PPR DynastyWhat WR's would be around the same value as Brown?

Naturally, I'd take any of the top 5 WR's l in return, though one can't realistically expect to get that straight up.I've seen offers of Bowe,Boldin thus far this week.

Tried to get Colston or White with a RB needy team but was shot down.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Hold him. I was hoping he would have a bad week again so I could buy low on him. Wasnt meant to be I guess.

 

[SSOG]

SSOG, I like reading your take on FF issues.In a PPR dynasty what type of WR would you need in a trade for Brown?

I don't play PPR, so I don't have a good feel for player values in PPR leagues (either Ronnie's or the top WRs'). Non-PPR, obviously I'd take Fitz/CJ/AJ for him (not that I could GET them for him, but duh). If I had a strong roster and felt like I'd be contending for the next three years, I'd take Moss for him and run. I'd take Jennings, Smiff, Wayne, and Rowdy Roddy White for Brown under any circumstances (rebuilding or contending). Colston or Bowe... I dunno, it'd depend heavily on the makeup of the rest of my team. Probably, though. So... non-PPR, a top-10 dynasty WR would do it for me.

 

[Cabby]

I was thinking of selling high but I think I will hold for this week with SD next week then make some offers. In a PPR redraft I might try to get Slaton or Forte, not sure if the owners will bite though. Who are some PPR targets that people should try to get if they are selling high on Brown?

 

[glumpy]

He's 10th in RB scoring in my league's format at a 4th round price. After two weeks, that's a "hold" for me.

Ronnie Brown looked AWESOME last night. Fast, elusive, read his blocks correctly, outstanding burst, keen awareness, barreling though the defense when needed..... What more could you ask for really? The fact that he is probably your #2 is INSANE good fortune. Why sell that?

I think we're all too quick sometimes to mistrust a good week and trade away. Certainly wouldn't trade him for some mentioned here.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Brown is presently an equal if not superior talent to LT (depending upon what you think about the effects of age and mileage upon LT's career), however I think his effective dynasty trade value is lower than LT's because he doesn't have the resume, reputation and "name" that LT has, and their ages are similar. In redraft the situation is better, especially given LT's current injury.

To me that means that you hold Brown in dynasty unless/until he proves in more games this year that he can sustain the types of numbers that he's put up in this and other years when he's been healthy.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Brown is presently an equal if not superior talent to LT (depending upon what you think about the effects of age and mileage upon LT's career), however I think his effective dynasty trade value is lower than LT's because he doesn't have the resume, reputation and "name" that LT has, and their ages are similar. In redraft the situation is better, especially given LT's current injury.

To me that means that you hold Brown in dynasty unless/until he proves in more games this year that he can sustain the types of numbers that he's put up in this and other years when he's been healthy.

Brown is 27 and LT2 is 30. A lifetime in RB years.

Being a Ronnie Brown owner, no way would I trade him for LT2. He's showing the classic signs of a RB that is breaking down.

 

[Morton Muffley]

Brown is presently an equal if not superior talent to LT (depending upon what you think about the effects of age and mileage upon LT's career), however I think his effective dynasty trade value is lower than LT's because he doesn't have the resume, reputation and "name" that LT has, and their ages are similar. In redraft the situation is better, especially given LT's current injury.

To me that means that you hold Brown in dynasty unless/until he proves in more games this year that he can sustain the types of numbers that he's put up in this and other years when he's been healthy.

Not trying to jump on you, but their ages are not similar...at least not in football terms:LT is 30, in his 9th year and has 2670 NFL carries behind him

Brown is 27 (he'll be 28 in December), in his 5th year and has 815 NFL carries behind him

We can debate their relative health, talent, timeshare issues, and future opps, but I don't think the age thing is debatable.

As always, just my opinion.

 

[Wrigley]

Was offered Pierre/Garrard for Brown/Hasselbeck

Am I crazy for considering this offer?

We can only carry two QB's, and McNabb is my other.

Otherwise, I'm looking at picking up Kolb for this weekend.

 

[NYG Endzone]

Brown is 27 and LT2 is 30. A lifetime in RB years.

Brown turns 28 in December. Thats crazy

 

[Matt's Eagles]

Got offered Forte and Keller for Ronnie Brown and Edelman (he wants to handcuff him to Welker)

 

[GoRaiders]

I am ppr, 2 keep league. I have Ronnie B/Ricky and I am in a semi sell mode (on the block, but not needing to force a deal). I am lucky enough to have Ronnie B as my RB3 (flex starter), with Benson, Larry Johnson and Caddy on my pine, so comfortable enough with moving him for a different position and having solid replacements. I think Ronnie B will have some solid games, but also mix in some duds where he only gets 8-12 carries and a few catches. I think it will be tough to get RB1 value with one good game out of 2. If you sell now, you are probably no selling high enough. If you are not a Ronnie B believer, wait until after this week and then sell.

In a keep situation, there is some value with Ricky as well as the season progresses and Ronnie B does not sign an extension, so something to consider as well.

 

[shredhead]

Got offered Forte and Keller for Ronnie Brown and Edelman (he wants to handcuff him to Welker)

What are you doing posting here when you have a trade to accept. I have been offered a trade of me getting Ronnie Brown and giving up Santonio Holmes. It would leave me with only 2 WR's in a start 2 league, no bye week filler. I countered with Housh for Ronnie, still waiting for a response. I'm tempted to just pull the trigger and accept the Brown for Holmes trade. I guess I could try to trade McFadden to get a bye week WR. I'd rather go with Holmes at WR2 than Housh, that's why I countered.

 

[Matt's Eagles]

Got offered Forte and Keller for Ronnie Brown and Edelman (he wants to handcuff him to Welker)

What are you doing posting here when you have a trade to accept. I have been offered a trade of me getting Ronnie Brown and giving up Santonio Holmes. It would leave me with only 2 WR's in a start 2 league, no bye week filler. I countered with Housh for Ronnie, still waiting for a response. I'm tempted to just pull the trigger and accept the Brown for Holmes trade. I guess I could try to trade McFadden to get a bye week WR. I'd rather go with Holmes at WR2 than Housh, that's why I countered.

I think I like Holmes better than Housh. Better QB situation and less recivers to compete with

 

[BringItOn]

Got offered Forte and Keller for Ronnie Brown and Edelman (he wants to handcuff him to Welker)

If that is a dynasty, I'd take Forte in a heartbeat

 

[thehornet]

Got offered Forte and Keller for Ronnie Brown and Edelman (he wants to handcuff him to Welker)

What are you doing posting here when you have a trade to accept. I have been offered a trade of me getting Ronnie Brown and giving up Santonio Holmes. It would leave me with only 2 WR's in a start 2 league, no bye week filler. I countered with Housh for Ronnie, still waiting for a response. I'm tempted to just pull the trigger and accept the Brown for Holmes trade. I guess I could try to trade McFadden to get a bye week WR. I'd rather go with Holmes at WR2 than Housh, that's why I countered.

I think I like Holmes better than Housh.

I wouldnt trade Ronnie for Forte in redraft leagues. In dynasty, iwould.

 

[Matt's Eagles]

Got offered Forte and Keller for Ronnie Brown and Edelman (he wants to handcuff him to Welker)

What are you doing posting here when you have a trade to accept. I have been offered a trade of me getting Ronnie Brown and giving up Santonio Holmes. It would leave me with only 2 WR's in a start 2 league, no bye week filler. I countered with Housh for Ronnie, still waiting for a response. I'm tempted to just pull the trigger and accept the Brown for Holmes trade. I guess I could try to trade McFadden to get a bye week WR. I'd rather go with Holmes at WR2 than Housh, that's why I countered.

I think I like Holmes better than Housh.

 

[BringItOn]

Got offered Forte and Keller for Ronnie Brown and Edelman (he wants to handcuff him to Welker)

What are you doing posting here when you have a trade to accept. I have been offered a trade of me getting Ronnie Brown and giving up Santonio Holmes. It would leave me with only 2 WR's in a start 2 league, no bye week filler. I countered with Housh for Ronnie, still waiting for a response. I'm tempted to just pull the trigger and accept the Brown for Holmes trade. I guess I could try to trade McFadden to get a bye week WR. I'd rather go with Holmes at WR2 than Housh, that's why I countered.

I think I like Holmes better than Housh.

I wouldnt trade Ronnie for Forte in redraft leagues. In dynasty, iwould.

I'd probably take Forte in redraft as well... Forte's lack of production isn't going to last all season. Plus he isn't sharing carries with anyone. Once the weather starts to turn, you'll see more balance in the Bears offense..

 

[basher]

he has some tough matchups but he also has some really tasty ones. I would try to sell high but I wouldn't be too upset if I couldn't strike a deal. This is situational though. If he was my RB1 I would most definitely try to sell high for a true RB1. If I had the depth to use him as an RB2/3 I would be just fine keeping him.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Got offered Forte and Keller for Ronnie Brown and Edelman (he wants to handcuff him to Welker)

What are you doing posting here when you have a trade to accept. I have been offered a trade of me getting Ronnie Brown and giving up Santonio Holmes. It would leave me with only 2 WR's in a start 2 league, no bye week filler. I countered with Housh for Ronnie, still waiting for a response. I'm tempted to just pull the trigger and accept the Brown for Holmes trade. I guess I could try to trade McFadden to get a bye week WR. I'd rather go with Holmes at WR2 than Housh, that's why I countered.

I think I like Holmes better than Housh.

I wouldnt trade Ronnie for Forte in redraft leagues. In dynasty, iwould.

100% agree. Brown should be worth a lot more than Forte this year and overall I believe that he is a more talented NFL RB as well.