Ronnie Brown (1 Viewer)

[Matt's Eagles]

What do you expect from Ronnie Brown?

He expects to be ready for Camp. He is a RFA. He turns 29 in December. He has Ricky Williams in the backfield with him.

Had 2 devastating injuries that ruined good seasons.

Is he someone you try and trade or target now?

If you are drafting him where would you take him?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The injuries are piling up and I'll be amazed if Miami rolls both Ronnie and Ricky back out next season. Maybe they do but I also think an RB3 will be in the mix and it won't be Hilliard/Polite...something a lot stronger in the draft or FA.

Miami is set up to be a power running team with a play action passing game, that's what they really want. I think they need to upgrade and find a dominating RB that they can hang their hat on.

 

[Black]

I think Ronnie will quickly become what Ahman Green is to the Packers. I can't see how he comes back again after this injury with full speed and quicks. They have to be in the market for a Shonne Green type of back.

If I had Ronnie and could sell, I would.

 

[az_prof]

I think Ronnie will quickly become what Ahman Green is to the Packers. I can't see how he comes back again after this injury with full speed and quicks. They have to be in the market for a Shonne Green type of back.If I had Ronnie and could sell, I would.

I don't think he is a buy or sell for all these reasons. His owners are unlikely to give him away because the potential of him putting up top 10 numbers is still realistic, but no one is going to want to give up anything of value until we know that he has fully recovered, where he will be playing, and what his role is. We will know where he is playing by summer but not his role and health until at least end of preseason. If you have him you have to hold onto him at this point and hope for a full recovery and for a good landing spot in FA or that the Finns don't draft a back in the first or second round.

 

[Dave Larkin]

I was unfortunate enough to be a Brown owner this year. He was one of a number of my RB corps who were placed on IR, thus ending my chances at a championship run. I have my doubts whether Brown can return to his old self when he returns, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think he would be worth much as far as trade value.

On that subject, would you trade Brown for rookie draft picks if you could get them?

 

[az_prof]

I was unfortunate enough to be a Brown owner this year. He was one of a number of my RB corps who were placed on IR, thus ending my chances at a championship run. I have my doubts whether Brown can return to his old self when he returns, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think he would be worth much as far as trade value.On that subject, would you trade Brown for rookie draft picks if you could get them?

I think it depends on your team (are you rebuilding or can you compete?) and what kind of draft pick you could get. I would be willing to trade him for a low first if there were a player that fell that I really thought was a hot prospect. But I wouldn't trade him for a second unless I was rebuilding and a third round pick is pretty much a lottery. Also, I suspect that you will get more for him if you wait because the news so far on his recovery has been very good and once he is back practicing and good reports appear then people will be less worried about the injury. As far as his status, which is very uncertain now, I see three possibilities: 1) Miami signs him to a one year, incentive laden deal (with option for a one year extension) and flies with Brown and Williams for one more year. They draft a back in the third round or later to groom and provide insurance. In this scenario his value will be highest if you can wait until he plays a few games early in the year and then sell. His value will then be close to what it was last year depending on how well he plays.2) He signs a deal with some other team to start: Seattle, Detroit, WA. His value will actually go up.3) He goes to another team to compete for a starting gig and to share time. His value will drop relative to last year but it will still be better than it is right nowI don't see Miami resigning him if it plans to take a back with a first round pick, so I don't see that as a possibility.

 

[MAC_32]

His days as a feature back are over, did they ever really begin? Anyway, find the guy that thinks Ronnie can bounce back and that Ricky really is on his last legs and hope he pays a RB2.5 type price for him. I think I could find similar production to Ronnie off waivers going forward.

 

[Pictus Cat]

His days as a feature back are over, did they ever really begin? Anyway, find the guy that thinks Ronnie can bounce back and that Ricky really is on his last legs and hope he pays a RB2.5 type price for him. I think I could find similar production to Ronnie off waivers going forward.

That would be me. If he can give me the same this year, he'll start on my team when he can.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

His days as a feature back are over, did they ever really begin? Anyway, find the guy that thinks Ronnie can bounce back and that Ricky really is on his last legs and hope he pays a RB2.5 type price for him. I think I could find similar production to Ronnie off waivers going forward.

Huh? He will be 28 next year. He is fully recovered from the knee injury, so that is not an issue. Are you saying a talented athletic 28 year old player with relatively low mileage cannot come back from a lis franc injury and be better than a wiaver wire RB?

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

His value is clearly murky (jumbo shrimp? army intelligence?), but he was the #8 RB in my league when he was injured. Dude has value.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I view him as a clear hold in dynasty. I haven't asked around, but I doubt I could get anything of value for him. I know I wouldn't give up much for a 28 year old RB coming off of Lis Franc.

That said, he's got a reasonable chance to resume his role from 2009 in 2010. When he went out with injury week 10, he was 5th amongst all RBs in PPG.

In an attempt to see the positive side of this, Brian Westbrook suffered a lisfranc injury on December 5th, 2005. He was 26 1/3 years old at the time. He returned the next season with 1916 yards from scrimmage and 11 TDs. The following year was his best of his career with 2104 yards from scrimmage and 12 TDs.

Ronnie Brown suffered his injury at 27 2/3 years old. Basically 1.5 years older than Westbrook was when he suffered his.

Selling him now for relative peanuts seems like a really bad idea.

 

[MAC_32]

His days as a feature back are over, did they ever really begin? Anyway, find the guy that thinks Ronnie can bounce back and that Ricky really is on his last legs and hope he pays a RB2.5 type price for him. I think I could find similar production to Ronnie off waivers going forward.

Huh? He will be 28 next year. He is fully recovered from the knee injury, so that is not an issue. Are you saying a talented athletic 28 year old player with relatively low mileage cannot come back from a lis franc injury and be better than a wiaver wire RB?

He's never been fully recovered from anything, the guy can't stay healthy and at 28 I don't think anyone will give him that opportunity again unless injuries force their hand. I'd rather ship him off and either get younger at the position or upgrade another, if you're forced to play waivers a bit more than you're comfortable no big deal. RB's crop out of nowhere due to injury every year.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

His days as a feature back are over, did they ever really begin? Anyway, find the guy that thinks Ronnie can bounce back and that Ricky really is on his last legs and hope he pays a RB2.5 type price for him. I think I could find similar production to Ronnie off waivers going forward.

Huh? He will be 28 next year. He is fully recovered from the knee injury, so that is not an issue. Are you saying a talented athletic 28 year old player with relatively low mileage cannot come back from a lis franc injury and be better than a wiaver wire RB?

He's never been fully recovered from anything, the guy can't stay healthy and at 28 I don't think anyone will give him that opportunity again unless injuries force their hand. I'd rather ship him off and either get younger at the position or upgrade another, if you're forced to play waivers a bit more than you're comfortable no big deal. RB's crop out of nowhere due to injury every year.

I hear you, and I respect your opinions on these forums, but when the guy is healthy (I know, I know...), he is an every week starter. I dont think you can get nough for him right now to sell him off for anything meanigful. I agree with the poster above who said you have to hold him. If he fully recovers, he is still the most important player in their offense.

 

[MAC_32]

If he fully recovers, he is still the most important player in their offense.

This, I will not disagree with, the Miami offense as constructed now starts and ends with Ronnie. I do wonder what they will do this offseason to repair the offense, it's not far off but it's still not good enough. Will they bring in a true #1 WR? or the future at RB? I think it will be either or but not both.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

If he fully recovers, he is still the most important player in their offense.

This, I will not disagree with, the Miami offense as constructed now starts and ends with Ronnie. I do wonder what they will do this offseason to repair the offense, it's not far off but it's still not good enough. Will they bring in a true #1 WR? or the future at RB? I think it will be either or but not both.

I think Ronnie's recovery will likely determine that. If he is fine, then they will run with Ronnie/Ricky and a third (Cobbs or Hilliard) next year, and not spend an early pick on a RB. If he is not recovering well, then they will have to grab FA Jerome Harrison off your Browns' roster (kidding), or look for a RB early in the draft. I would hate to see it come to that when they have obvious needs at WR, LB, and S though - so I suspect that Ronnie will be given a great shot at regaining his role.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

His days as a feature back are over, did they ever really begin? Anyway, find the guy that thinks Ronnie can bounce back and that Ricky really is on his last legs and hope he pays a RB2.5 type price for him. I think I could find similar production to Ronnie off waivers going forward.

Huh? He will be 28 next year. He is fully recovered from the knee injury, so that is not an issue. Are you saying a talented athletic 28 year old player with relatively low mileage cannot come back from a lis franc injury and be better than a wiaver wire RB?

He's never been fully recovered from anything, the guy can't stay healthy and at 28 I don't think anyone will give him that opportunity again unless injuries force their hand. I'd rather ship him off and either get younger at the position or upgrade another, if you're forced to play waivers a bit more than you're comfortable no big deal. RB's crop out of nowhere due to injury every year.

I would trade him for a younger asset in a heartbeat if I thought I could get a good young player. Problem is there is no way that's gonna happen. F&L has him in tier 4. That tier includes Pierre Thomas, Donald Brown, Joseph Addai, Marion Barber and LeSean McCoy. The owners of those players would laugh at me if I offered them Ronnie Brown straight up. The next tier down includes Brandon Jacobs, (28 years old too), Lynch, McFadden, Reggie Bush, Jerome Harrison (27), Fred Jackson (29), Ahmad Bradshaw. I could see some of those owners making that deal. I'd rather have Brown than any of those guys though. I just think Ronnie Brown has a much higher chance for a RB1 season than any of those guys. Besides, I'd rather have half of a season of top 5 production than a full season of top 25 production. If I'd trade him for a WR, what I am going to get? I could probably get a young prospect, but those are totally a dime a dozen. You and MOP may be correct that Miami may be in search of a RB to come in and compete either via FA or the draft. Tampa brought in Derrick Ward to compete with Caddy. Indy brought in Donald Brown to compete with Addai.

 

[MAC_32]

His days as a feature back are over, did they ever really begin? Anyway, find the guy that thinks Ronnie can bounce back and that Ricky really is on his last legs and hope he pays a RB2.5 type price for him. I think I could find similar production to Ronnie off waivers going forward.

Huh? He will be 28 next year. He is fully recovered from the knee injury, so that is not an issue. Are you saying a talented athletic 28 year old player with relatively low mileage cannot come back from a lis franc injury and be better than a wiaver wire RB?

He's never been fully recovered from anything, the guy can't stay healthy and at 28 I don't think anyone will give him that opportunity again unless injuries force their hand. I'd rather ship him off and either get younger at the position or upgrade another, if you're forced to play waivers a bit more than you're comfortable no big deal. RB's crop out of nowhere due to injury every year.

I would trade him for a younger asset in a heartbeat if I thought I could get a good young player. Problem is there is no way that's gonna happen. F&L has him in tier 4. That tier includes Pierre Thomas, Donald Brown, Joseph Addai, Marion Barber and LeSean McCoy. The owners of those players would laugh at me if I offered them Ronnie Brown straight up. The next tier down includes Brandon Jacobs, (28 years old too), Lynch, McFadden, Reggie Bush, Jerome Harrison (27), Fred Jackson (29), Ahmad Bradshaw. I could see some of those owners making that deal. I'd rather have Brown than any of those guys though. I just think Ronnie Brown has a much higher chance for a RB1 season than any of those guys. Besides, I'd rather have half of a season of top 5 production than a full season of top 25 production. If I'd trade him for a WR, what I am going to get? I could probably get a young prospect, but those are totally a dime a dozen. You and MOP may be correct that Miami may be in search of a RB to come in and compete either via FA or the draft. Tampa brought in Derrick Ward to compete with Caddy. Indy brought in Donald Brown to compete with Addai.

If you could get your hands on Donald Brown I'd do that, but if not Jerome Harrison and Lynch may be alternatives, both of those guys could up their value (Lynch can't get any lower, can he?) and you could flip them later for something better than Lynch or younger than Harrison. Could also go after a mid 1st round dyno pick or a trade up sending your 1st (if it's outside the top 5) for one in the top 5. If we're talking WR's I'd be looking at #3's that could be #1's long term, guys like Britt and Sims-Walker. Just throwing some darts here, I've always liked Ronnie as a player, but at some point a guy just can't stay healthy and unfortunately I think that's Ronnie. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get the Reggie Bush treatment and see his snaps limited going forward because of that.

 

[Banger]

Ronnie Brown has been on my avoid list nearly every year due to his price but depending on his health this may be the first time I may try to scoop him up cheap. Again, it will depend on health and role on his team.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

His days as a feature back are over, did they ever really begin? Anyway, find the guy that thinks Ronnie can bounce back and that Ricky really is on his last legs and hope he pays a RB2.5 type price for him. I think I could find similar production to Ronnie off waivers going forward.

Huh? He will be 28 next year. He is fully recovered from the knee injury, so that is not an issue. Are you saying a talented athletic 28 year old player with relatively low mileage cannot come back from a lis franc injury and be better than a wiaver wire RB?

He's never been fully recovered from anything, the guy can't stay healthy and at 28 I don't think anyone will give him that opportunity again unless injuries force their hand. I'd rather ship him off and either get younger at the position or upgrade another, if you're forced to play waivers a bit more than you're comfortable no big deal. RB's crop out of nowhere due to injury every year.

I would trade him for a younger asset in a heartbeat if I thought I could get a good young player. Problem is there is no way that's gonna happen. F&L has him in tier 4. That tier includes Pierre Thomas, Donald Brown, Joseph Addai, Marion Barber and LeSean McCoy. The owners of those players would laugh at me if I offered them Ronnie Brown straight up. The next tier down includes Brandon Jacobs, (28 years old too), Lynch, McFadden, Reggie Bush, Jerome Harrison (27), Fred Jackson (29), Ahmad Bradshaw. I could see some of those owners making that deal. I'd rather have Brown than any of those guys though. I just think Ronnie Brown has a much higher chance for a RB1 season than any of those guys. Besides, I'd rather have half of a season of top 5 production than a full season of top 25 production. If I'd trade him for a WR, what I am going to get? I could probably get a young prospect, but those are totally a dime a dozen. You and MOP may be correct that Miami may be in search of a RB to come in and compete either via FA or the draft. Tampa brought in Derrick Ward to compete with Caddy. Indy brought in Donald Brown to compete with Addai.

If you could get your hands on Donald Brown I'd do that, but if not Jerome Harrison and Lynch may be alternatives, both of those guys could up their value (Lynch can't get any lower, can he?) and you could flip them later for something better than Lynch or younger than Harrison. Could also go after a mid 1st round dyno pick or a trade up sending your 1st (if it's outside the top 5) for one in the top 5. If we're talking WR's I'd be looking at #3's that could be #1's long term, guys like Britt and Sims-Walker. Just throwing some darts here, I've always liked Ronnie as a player, but at some point a guy just can't stay healthy and unfortunately I think that's Ronnie. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get the Reggie Bush treatment and see his snaps limited going forward because of that.

Seems to me Ronnie Brown is more on the Deuce McAllister career path than Reggie Bush. Hopefully he has a Westbrook like resurgence before its all over.

 

[plastik]

If he fully recovers, he is still the most important player in their offense.

This, I will not disagree with, the Miami offense as constructed now starts and ends with Ronnie. I do wonder what they will do this offseason to repair the offense, it's not far off but it's still not good enough. Will they bring in a true #1 WR? or the future at RB? I think it will be either or but not both.

As a Miami homer I hope and expect that we'll take a WR early in the draft. We'll probably go BPA in round one and I could see us taking either a WR or D-Lineman, maybe a LB. If we go D in the 1st I think we take a WR in the 2nd for sure. As long as Ronnie recovers I don't really think we need another RB... I know that the staff likes Cobbs, Hilliard, and Polite and we've got Sheets too. Personally, I think Ronnie will be back with us next season and doubt that we draft a RB at all as I think we have too many other needs to fill first. Given all that Ronnie is a hold for me, unless I can package him for something very nice. In one league I'm in I know I could land Aaron Rodgers for Ronnie plus, though I'm not sure how much more I'd have to give.

 

[az_prof]

Can anyone else really run the Wildcat effectively for Miami? Ronnie's skill at running that formation is a strong incentive to give him another chance in Miami (if they can sign him cheap and I think they will). It sounds like they have other needs for the draft. There are some decent HBs available in FA though like Harrison or Jacobs but I don't know how well they fit what Miami does.

 

[Matt's Eagles]

Can anyone else really run the Wildcat effectively for Miami? Ronnie's skill at running that formation is a strong incentive to give him another chance in Miami (if they can sign him cheap and I think they will). It sounds like they have other needs for the draft. There are some decent HBs available in FA though like Harrison or Jacobs but I don't know how well they fit what Miami does.

What about Kevin Walter and Freeman QB for TB for Ronnie Brown?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The Palm Beach Post wrote a few weeks ago that ROnnie Brown was actually walking around pretty well at a charity event. Now granted that is a far cry from strapping up a helmet but we likely have a RB that will get great care formt eh Miami Dolphins to be ready to go.

He is going to be in the last year of his rookie deal which turns out was a 6 year deal. He will make $5 million this year and I doubt that number bothers the Phins very much.

If the CBA gets done, maybe he gets a new deal form Miami but either way he is playing for a new contract this year so you always like that in a player.

I hope most owners look the other way with him this year. I like the fact that Henne has gotten some much needed game experience, the offense will be better, the OL was really playing well at times this season, Brown should be a decent value in the 4th round and beyond. Plus everyone will be hyping Ricky Williams, count on him going at least 4-5 rounds higher than he should.

I would say ROnnie is a potential draft or buy low candidate IMO.

 

[UnknownCoach]

I think Miami will try to ride out Ronnie and Ricky one more season. They could decide to draft their back of the future this year but its not a neccessity. Picking up depth in the mid to late part of the draft is likely though in case Ronnie has any setbacks.

It wont happen with Ricky around, but it would be cool to see Caddy and Brown get reunited. Its a pity that they couldnt have stayed healthier.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

He is going to be in the last year of his rookie deal which turns out was a 6 year deal. He will make $5 million this year and I doubt that number bothers the Phins very much.

If the CBA gets done, maybe he gets a new deal form Miami but either way he is playing for a new contract this year so you always like that in a player.

If the CBA gets done, he's a FA this year:

Keep in mind Brown has an interesting option built into his contract. If the owners and the NFL Players Association reach a new deal before the deadline, Brown will become an unrestricted free agent. If 2010 is an uncapped season, Brown will see his $5 million option kick in.

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