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[War Eagle]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

 

[DepthCharts]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

What this really tells me is : Ricky is better suited to run vs a run first defense (depending on game score) then run vs a pass first defense.

Ronnie struggles vs a run 1st defense and excels vs. a pass first defense. Ronnie is who they want receiving the ball out of the backfield, although Ricky can and does very well.

There's no doubt Ronnie gets the ball more running and receiving when they are in passing mode (vs. a pass first D) where Ronnie excels. Won't happen if you give him the rock 15 times in the 1st half and 7 in the 2nd half. It needs to be the other way for Ronnie to excel.

Wow, and I'm on the Ronnie wagon.

 

[Gordon09]

The sample size is way too small to consider either of these a trend. The reason Ronnie got so many carries in those games was because he was dominating the Colts and Chargers from the word go. It's not as if he's gotten stronger as the game has gone on, so giving him 20+ carries every week doesn't guarantee he's going to have a great week.

What Miami is doing on the ground right now is working for them. I'm a Ronnie Brown owner on 2 teams, and I'd love them to pound it with him every play, but unfortunately they're not worried about my fantasy teams (idiots). They'd like to keep Ronnie and Ricky fresh, and in my opinion, they're handling it pretty well thus far.

 

[The Comedian]

cause and effect iz hard.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

Your logic is flawed. All the information really tells us is that Ronnie has had some big days when he has carried the ball a lot. When is not having a great day, they don't give him the ball as much. This is pretty common. When teams are in close games and having success running, they keep running.To support your claim- you would need the following:

1) a much bigger sample size

2) in this bigger sample size, a break down of each players yards per carry (what is his ypc on carries 1-10, 10-15, 15-20)

3) For best analysis- down and distance on the carries. If Ricky is running it up the middle on third and 1, and gets 2 yards- that is a successful run.

 

[INRIhab]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_d...imply_causationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confounding

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

If they gave Brown 60 carries a game, he'd average 17.1!

 

[War Eagle]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

Your logic is flawed. All the information really tells us is that Ronnie has had some big days when he has carried the ball a lot. When is not having a great day, they don't give him the ball as much. This is pretty common. When teams are in close games and having success running, they keep running.To support your claim- you would need the following:

1) a much bigger sample size

2) in this bigger sample size, a break down of each players yards per carry (what is his ypc on carries 1-10, 10-15, 15-20)

3) For best analysis- down and distance on the carries. If Ricky is running it up the middle on third and 1, and gets 2 yards- that is a successful run.

WOW are you a scientist? Or just a D-Bag?

 

[War Eagle]

Point is, Ronnie is a big strong back who gets stronger as the game goes on and can wear a DEF down. This is not an uncommon theme amongst workhorse RBs.

Remember when Cam Cameron tried to split Ronnie's carries up? Then he realized the Miami running game was more successful when Ronnie was fed the rock?

Same difference.

 

[mrspree15]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

Your logic is flawed. All the information really tells us is that Ronnie has had some big days when he has carried the ball a lot. When is not having a great day, they don't give him the ball as much. This is pretty common. When teams are in close games and having success running, they keep running.To support your claim- you would need the following:

1) a much bigger sample size

2) in this bigger sample size, a break down of each players yards per carry (what is his ypc on carries 1-10, 10-15, 15-20)

3) For best analysis- down and distance on the carries. If Ricky is running it up the middle on third and 1, and gets 2 yards- that is a successful run.

WOW are you a scientist? Or just a D-Bag?

Are you serious right now?

 

[Traders2001]

He is serious , and i would think D-Bag

 

[War Eagle]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

Your logic is flawed. All the information really tells us is that Ronnie has had some big days when he has carried the ball a lot. When is not having a great day, they don't give him the ball as much. This is pretty common. When teams are in close games and having success running, they keep running.To support your claim- you would need the following:

1) a much bigger sample size

2) in this bigger sample size, a break down of each players yards per carry (what is his ypc on carries 1-10, 10-15, 15-20)

3) For best analysis- down and distance on the carries. If Ricky is running it up the middle on third and 1, and gets 2 yards- that is a successful run.

WOW are you a scientist? Or just a D-Bag?

Are you serious right now?

I'm not sure, but to support your claim- you would need the following:1) a much bigger sample size

2) in this bigger sample size, a break down of each post per member (what is his scientific credentials on posts 1-10, 10-15, 15-20)

3) For best analysis- intent and tone of post. If one is merely spending minimum time on analysis versus a life's work- that is a successful stat.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

Your logic is flawed. All the information really tells us is that Ronnie has had some big days when he has carried the ball a lot. When is not having a great day, they don't give him the ball as much. This is pretty common. When teams are in close games and having success running, they keep running.To support your claim- you would need the following:

1) a much bigger sample size

2) in this bigger sample size, a break down of each players yards per carry (what is his ypc on carries 1-10, 10-15, 15-20)

3) For best analysis- down and distance on the carries. If Ricky is running it up the middle on third and 1, and gets 2 yards- that is a successful run.

WOW are you a scientist? Or just a D-Bag?

No, evidently he's just someone who approaches this situation analytically, rather than with flawed statistics.

 

[War Eagle]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

Your logic is flawed. All the information really tells us is that Ronnie has had some big days when he has carried the ball a lot. When is not having a great day, they don't give him the ball as much. This is pretty common. When teams are in close games and having success running, they keep running.To support your claim- you would need the following:

1) a much bigger sample size

2) in this bigger sample size, a break down of each players yards per carry (what is his ypc on carries 1-10, 10-15, 15-20)

3) For best analysis- down and distance on the carries. If Ricky is running it up the middle on third and 1, and gets 2 yards- that is a successful run.

WOW are you a scientist? Or just a D-Bag?

No, evidently he's just someone who approaches this situation analytically, rather than with flawed statistics.

Sorry, I'll be sure to tell Rotoworld that! LOL

 

[gregjcross]

Point is, Ronnie is a big strong back who gets stronger as the game goes on and can wear a DEF down. This is not an uncommon theme amongst workhorse RBs. Remember when Cam Cameron tried to split Ronnie's carries up? Then he realized the Miami running game was more successful when Ronnie was fed the rock? Same difference.

I can simplify this a lot more... When there is push from the OL creating clear running lanes, Ronnie Brown generally exploits it. When there is a pass to be caught in space, Brown can snatch it and power ahead for 10 yards or more. Living up to his billing when he was drafted.* But: When the running lanes get tight, he slows down considerably and usually gets benched in the game by Sparano. This is the story of his career. If one can predict what teams the Miami OL can truly push around, you will have great success in playing R. Brown. If you play him when they are disrupted, and the running game is abandoned or Ricky Williams is brought in, you will be dissapointed. Brown compares pretty well to Marcus Allen in his power running and catching. The Miami O-line however is a work in progress and this is always a committee. I dont predict great success for the Miami OL against the Jets on Monday (or the week following) but we'll see.This kind of polarized high/low production week to week is not seen with top backs (C.Johsnon, SJackson/ADP, MoJo) or this thread wouldn't exist.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

Your logic is flawed. All the information really tells us is that Ronnie has had some big days when he has carried the ball a lot. When is not having a great day, they don't give him the ball as much. This is pretty common. When teams are in close games and having success running, they keep running.To support your claim- you would need the following:

1) a much bigger sample size

2) in this bigger sample size, a break down of each players yards per carry (what is his ypc on carries 1-10, 10-15, 15-20)

3) For best analysis- down and distance on the carries. If Ricky is running it up the middle on third and 1, and gets 2 yards- that is a successful run.

WOW are you a scientist? Or just a D-Bag?

No, evidently he's just someone who approaches this situation analytically, rather than with flawed statistics.

Sorry, I'll be sure to tell Rotoworld that! LOL

You'd probably get less flack if you put the original post in quotes and credited it to the original author or publisher, then argue for or against.

 

[Sweet Love]

Prior to the season starting I posted a thread about R. Borwn as to whether he was under or over valued as roughly RB 15. The premise of the thread was that although Brown has talent and could be a top 5 guy, no matter who his coach is (and I think he is on #3, possibly #4), the organization still has a very capable backup in Williams and will continue to split carries. The Brown owners Hurumph'ed at that, but that is exactly what we are seeing now.

 

[The Comedian]

Point is, Ronnie is a big strong back who gets stronger as the game goes on and can wear a DEF down. This is not an uncommon theme amongst workhorse RBs. Remember when Cam Cameron tried to split Ronnie's carries up? Then he realized the Miami running game was more successful when Ronnie was fed the rock? Same difference.

No, the point is this is an arbitrary statistic that does not by itself support the idea that Brown gets better as the game goes on.

 

[Paper Lions]

It's better for the Dolphins, and any other NFL team that has two viable backs, to mix in both backs.

 

[SSOG]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

Correlation does not imply causation. I could just as easily say that Ronnie Brown gets 20 or more carries when he's averaging 5.7 ypc per game. Maybe he's not better because he's getting a lot of carries, maybe he's getting a lot of carries because he's better.In fact, here are Ronnie Brown's per-carry splits:

Carry 1-5: 6.7 ypc

Carry 6-10: 6.2 ypc

Carry 11-15: 2.1

Carry 16-20: 4.9

Carry 21-25: 3.3

So his carry average on carries 20+ is lower than his total carry average in games where he gets 20+ carries. Unless you want to suggest that Brown knew on his first five carries that day that he'd be getting 20+ and picked up his game early as a result, I'd say there's definitely some doubt that Brown is better when he gets the rock more.

 

[Michael Brown]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

Correlation does not imply causation. I could just as easily say that Ronnie Brown gets 20 or more carries when he's averaging 5.7 ypc per game. Maybe he's not better because he's getting a lot of carries, maybe he's getting a lot of carries because he's better.In fact, here are Ronnie Brown's per-carry splits:

Carry 1-5: 6.7 ypc

Carry 6-10: 6.2 ypc

Carry 11-15: 2.1

Carry 16-20: 4.9

Carry 21-25: 3.3

So his carry average on carries 20+ is lower than his total carry average in games where he gets 20+ carries. Unless you want to suggest that Brown knew on his first five carries that day that he'd be getting 20+ and picked up his game early as a result, I'd say there's definitely some doubt that Brown is better when he gets the rock more.

See, now THIS is helpful info. Calling someone a D-bag simply because they don't agree with your analysis (that turns out to be flawed anyway) is uncalled for, and more than a little bit immature.

 

[War Eagle]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

Correlation does not imply causation. I could just as easily say that Ronnie Brown gets 20 or more carries when he's averaging 5.7 ypc per game. Maybe he's not better because he's getting a lot of carries, maybe he's getting a lot of carries because he's better.In fact, here are Ronnie Brown's per-carry splits:

Carry 1-5: 6.7 ypc

Carry 6-10: 6.2 ypc

Carry 11-15: 2.1

Carry 16-20: 4.9

Carry 21-25: 3.3

So his carry average on carries 20+ is lower than his total carry average in games where he gets 20+ carries. Unless you want to suggest that Brown knew on his first five carries that day that he'd be getting 20+ and picked up his game early as a result, I'd say there's definitely some doubt that Brown is better when he gets the rock more.

See, now THIS is helpful info. Calling someone a D-bag simply because they don't agree with your analysis (that turns out to be flawed anyway) is uncalled for, and more than a little bit immature.

That's not fair. I also called him a scientist DAD!

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

Your logic is flawed. All the information really tells us is that Ronnie has had some big days when he has carried the ball a lot. When is not having a great day, they don't give him the ball as much. This is pretty common. When teams are in close games and having success running, they keep running.To support your claim- you would need the following:

1) a much bigger sample size

2) in this bigger sample size, a break down of each players yards per carry (what is his ypc on carries 1-10, 10-15, 15-20)

3) For best analysis- down and distance on the carries. If Ricky is running it up the middle on third and 1, and gets 2 yards- that is a successful run.

WOW are you a scientist? Or just a D-Bag?

Neither professionally. But I dabble in both.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

Correlation does not imply causation. I could just as easily say that Ronnie Brown gets 20 or more carries when he's averaging 5.7 ypc per game. Maybe he's not better because he's getting a lot of carries, maybe he's getting a lot of carries because he's better.In fact, here are Ronnie Brown's per-carry splits:

Carry 1-5: 6.7 ypc

Carry 6-10: 6.2 ypc

Carry 11-15: 2.1

Carry 16-20: 4.9

Carry 21-25: 3.3

.

So his carry average on carries 20+ is lower than his total carry average in games where he gets 20+ carries. Unless you want to suggest that Brown knew on his first five carries that day that he'd be getting 20+ and picked up his game early as a result, I'd say there's definitely some doubt that Brown is better when he gets the rock more.

Shocking info here. On days when he starts off well, they keep giving him the ball, even though he is not as productive later. Thanks SSOG

 

[War Eagle]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

Correlation does not imply causation. I could just as easily say that Ronnie Brown gets 20 or more carries when he's averaging 5.7 ypc per game. Maybe he's not better because he's getting a lot of carries, maybe he's getting a lot of carries because he's better.In fact, here are Ronnie Brown's per-carry splits:

Carry 1-5: 6.7 ypc

Carry 6-10: 6.2 ypc

Carry 11-15: 2.1

Carry 16-20: 4.9

Carry 21-25: 3.3

.

So his carry average on carries 20+ is lower than his total carry average in games where he gets 20+ carries. Unless you want to suggest that Brown knew on his first five carries that day that he'd be getting 20+ and picked up his game early as a result, I'd say there's definitely some doubt that Brown is better when he gets the rock more.

Shocking info here. On days when he starts off well, they keep giving him the ball, even though he is not as productive later. Thanks SSOG

Carries 16-20 are the key. 4.9 ypc during the meat of the game. Carries 21-25 largely represent runs into to run time off the clock. Between the tackles, 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

He gets off to a fast start with 6+. Slows a bit as the defenses adjust to the WC.

He's just an all around good back and Ricky is a great complement.

 

[The Comedian]

Ronnie Brown is averaging 5.7 yards per carry in the games he's received 20 or more carries this season.

He's averaging just 4.2 YPC in games he's seen fewer than 20 attempts.

Ricky Williams, meanwhile, is averaging 6.2 YPC in games he's carried it 10 or fewer times to 4.4 in weeks he's gotten 15 or more totes. There's no doubt that Brown is better when he's getting the rock more.

Correlation does not imply causation. I could just as easily say that Ronnie Brown gets 20 or more carries when he's averaging 5.7 ypc per game. Maybe he's not better because he's getting a lot of carries, maybe he's getting a lot of carries because he's better.In fact, here are Ronnie Brown's per-carry splits:

Carry 1-5: 6.7 ypc

Carry 6-10: 6.2 ypc

Carry 11-15: 2.1

Carry 16-20: 4.9

Carry 21-25: 3.3

.

So his carry average on carries 20+ is lower than his total carry average in games where he gets 20+ carries. Unless you want to suggest that Brown knew on his first five carries that day that he'd be getting 20+ and picked up his game early as a result, I'd say there's definitely some doubt that Brown is better when he gets the rock more.

Shocking info here. On days when he starts off well, they keep giving him the ball, even though he is not as productive later. Thanks SSOG

Carries 16-20 are the key. 4.9 ypc during the meat of the game. Carries 21-25 largely represent runs into to run time off the clock. Between the tackles, 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

He gets off to a fast start with 6+. Slows a bit as the defenses adjust to the WC.

He's just an all around good back and Ricky is a great complement.

Wait, I thought the stats showed that he got stronger as the game went on.

 

[SSOG]

Carries 16-20 are the key. 4.9 ypc during the meat of the game. Carries 21-25 largely represent runs into to run time off the clock. Between the tackles, 3 yards and a cloud of dust. He gets off to a fast start with 6+. Slows a bit as the defenses adjust to the WC. He's just an all around good back and Ricky is a great complement.

But if he's averaging 5.7 ypc for the game when he gets 20+ carries, then averaging 4.9 ypc from carries 16-20 is still below his average for the game. Meaning Ronnie did better with carries 1-15 than he did with carries 16-20, and even better still on carries 1-20 than on carries 21-25.I also question how carries 21-25 represent runs to take time off the clock. The only time this season Ronnie Brown has had 21+ carries was against Indy. Two of them came when the game was tied in the 4th. Two more came when Miami was down four. Every single carry above 20 that Ronnie Brown has gotten has come with the game tied or with Miami trailing- how do those largely represent runs intended to simply take time off the clock?

 

[The Comedian]

Next time just start a thread saying "I have Ronnie Brown on my fantasy team and it pisses me off that Miami uses Ricky Williams so much."

 

[SSOG]

Next time just start a thread saying "I have Ronnie Brown on my fantasy team and it pisses me off that Miami uses Ricky Williams so much."

I'll join that bandwagon in a heartbeat.

 

[War Eagle]

Next time just start a thread saying "I have Ronnie Brown on my fantasy team and it pisses me off that Miami uses Ricky Williams so much."

I'll join that bandwagon in a heartbeat.

I missed this! HAHAI'll also end it withPER ROTOWORLD!

 

[UnknownCoach]

Are fantasy players ever going to learn that NFL coaches know more about football than they do?

 

[Rovers]

Next time just start a thread saying "I have Ronnie Brown on my fantasy team and it pisses me off that Miami uses Ricky Williams so much."

I'll join that bandwagon in a heartbeat.

I missed this! HAHAI'll also end it withPER ROTOWORLD!

Ah, the backpedal "blame someone else" for my silly conclusions and calling thoughtful posters D-bags routine. What else does your shoe phone say, Maxwell?

 

[War Eagle]

Next time just start a thread saying "I have Ronnie Brown on my fantasy team and it pisses me off that Miami uses Ricky Williams so much."

I'll join that bandwagon in a heartbeat.

I missed this! HAHA

I'll also end it with

PER ROTOWORLD!

Ah, the backpedal "blame someone else" for my silly conclusions and calling thoughtful posters D-bags routine. What else does your shoe phone say, Maxwell?

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=3155AND SCIENTIST! Why does everyone focus on the D-Bag when CLEARLY he could be a scientist? Give me the man some credit. He's spent hours crunching numbers and deserves some recognition! It's hard work being that thoughtful.