Rookie Mock Draft- 1.01 (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

I have been following the mock that Andy is running and so many Shark Pool posters are participating in. If the draft did unfold this way, who would you take with the 1.01?

I will try and do the entire 1st round, if there is interest. PPR scoring

 

[EBF]

Hmmm...well the problem is that I don't think things will shake out that way. I mean, what are the odds that all of those RBs land in perfect situations like that? Very unlikely. Usually there are a couple messy picks like Stewart to Carolina, Mendenhall to Pittsburgh, and Rice to Baltimore. And I don't think Miami would grab DHB with Ginn on the roster. They reportedly like Nicks.

Anyways, if it did happen to work out like this, I would still probably go with Crabtree.

 

[Buffaloes]

I thought about Moreno and Crabtree but talent says Wells is the pick IMO.

He landed in a great place too.

 

[jeter23]

Hmmm...well the problem is that I don't think things will shake out that way. I mean, what are the odds that all of those RBs land in perfect situations like that? Very unlikely. Usually there are a couple messy picks like Stewart to Carolina, Mendenhall to Pittsburgh, and Rice to Baltimore. And I don't think Miami would grab DHB with Ginn on the roster. They reportedly like Nicks.

Anyways, if it did happen to work out like this, I would still probably go with Crabtree.

I agree EBF. What can I say. It's spring break and snowing. I'm bored and counting days until the real draft.

 

[EBF]

It's getting close.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And I don't think Miami would grab DHB with Ginn on the roster. They reportedly like Nicks.

What does having Ginn have to do with drafting DHB? Ginn will never be a #1 but DHB appears to have the tools to do so.

 

[FUBAR]

If this happened, the top half of the 1st becomes much more interesting and valuable.

IMO:

Seattle - Beanie Wells

Denver - Knowshon Moreno

Philadelphia - LeSean McCoy

Oakland - Michael Crabtree

Arizona - Shonn Greene

Cincinnati - Donald Brown

Indianapolis - Hakeem Nicks

Tampa Bay - Jeremy Maclin

Minnesota - Percy Harvin

Miami - Darrius Heyward-Bey

Detroit - Matt Stafford

N.Y. Jets - Mark Sanchez

I'm not sure I'd take Stafford or Sanchez in the 1st.

 

[stevegamer]

Honestly, I think some of the picks in that mock draft are so awful, that I really can't fathom the players landing in those spots.

Of the ones that seem likely, it'd be Crabtree or McCoy for me.

 

[jeter23]

Crabtree going to Oakland causes him to lose that much value? Surprising...

 

[Buffaloes]

Honestly, I think some of the picks in that mock draft are so awful, that I really can't fathom the players landing in those spots.Of the ones that seem likely, it'd be Crabtree or McCoy for me.

They all seem fairly plausible to me

 

[EBF]

And I don't think Miami would grab DHB with Ginn on the roster. They reportedly like Nicks.

What does having Ginn have to do with drafting DHB? Ginn will never be a #1 but DHB appears to have the tools to do so.

The Dolphins already have a raw player with elite straight line speed.What they need is someone who can work the middle of the field and be a reliable target.DHB doesn't fit that description right now and probably won't produce much right out of the gate. He's not a Parcells pick at all.

 

[awesomeness]

And I don't think Miami would grab DHB with Ginn on the roster. They reportedly like Nicks.

What does having Ginn have to do with drafting DHB? Ginn will never be a #1 but DHB appears to have the tools to do so.

Really? Ginn and DHB seem like pretty similar players to me. Excellent speed, poor route running, not very physical, bad hands.

 

[millertyme1]

Honestly, I think some of the picks in that mock draft are so awful, that I really can't fathom the players landing in those spots.

I quit following it after the Beanie pick at 4. Ginn is a great comparison to DHB. When I first saw DHB could go #7, I immediately thought 'this year's Ginn'.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Honestly, I think some of the picks in that mock draft are so awful, that I really can't fathom the players landing in those spots.

I quit following it after the Beanie pick at 4. Ginn is a great comparison to DHB. When I first saw DHB could go #7, I immediately thought 'this year's Ginn'.

This line of thinking is so ####ed. Just because you disagree with one pick means that you won't continue on to the rest?Whatever.

Anyway, the whole Seahawks taking an RB discussion is likely moot as I expect they'll trade out of that spot. And when they do, then taking an RB makes even more sense. And Wells is scheduled to make a visit to Seattle.

And saying that it's "too early" for a talented player has gotten many a team in trouble. Wouldn't the Raiders or Cardinals been better off taking the "injury prone" Adrian Peterson at 1 and 5 respectively instead of Jamarcus Russell and Levi Brown (a RIGHT tackle for crying out loud!)? I'm not saying Wells is AP, but he's much more talented than a lot of you are giving him credit for. The man is 6'1"/235 and ran a 4.38 at his pro day - an astounding number.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And I don't think Miami would grab DHB with Ginn on the roster. They reportedly like Nicks.

What does having Ginn have to do with drafting DHB? Ginn will never be a #1 but DHB appears to have the tools to do so.

Really? Ginn and DHB seem like pretty similar players to me. Excellent speed, poor route running, not very physical, bad hands.

Ginn is 5'11"/180DHB is 6'2"/210DHB can develop into a #1. Ginn never had that ability.Percy Harvin is closer to Ginn than DHB is. Although in that case I think Harvin is better than Ginn to. And I kind of like Ginn.

 

[eric rymer]

Honestly, I think some of the picks in that mock draft are so awful, that I really can't fathom the players landing in those spots.

I quit following it after the Beanie pick at 4. Ginn is a great comparison to DHB. When I first saw DHB could go #7, I immediately thought 'this year's Ginn'.

This line of thinking is so ####ed. Just because you disagree with one pick means that you won't continue on to the rest?

Gotta agree. Because someone goes against the grain of the so called experts at some other sites (not sure how some of them stay employed anyway), you quit checking in. Kinda short sighted. There have been some great selections and strategy. I don't agree with all of them by no means, and I even question mine looking back on things. But I can appreciate someone trying to think about things a little differently. It's not about trying to have the perfect draft, but more of an expiriment of "What-if's". Every draft a couple teams make selections that no one expected and the draft changes at that point. Online Mocks by a single person tend to follow the "what is the teams biggest need" process and don't really represent an actual draft. How often do the experts get it right with their predictions?

 

[awesomeness]

And I don't think Miami would grab DHB with Ginn on the roster. They reportedly like Nicks.

What does having Ginn have to do with drafting DHB? Ginn will never be a #1 but DHB appears to have the tools to do so.

Really? Ginn and DHB seem like pretty similar players to me. Excellent speed, poor route running, not very physical, bad hands.

Ginn is 5'11"/180DHB is 6'2"/210DHB can develop into a #1. Ginn never had that ability.Percy Harvin is closer to Ginn than DHB is. Although in that case I think Harvin is better than Ginn to. And I kind of like Ginn.

Besides DHB being bigger there really isn't a lot of difference between him and Ginn. Harvin is jacked up for his size, can run tough, has short strides, has good hands, and has sharp cuts. I don't see how he's similar to Ginn at all. What tools does DHB possess that Ginn does not that will give him a reasonable opportunity to turn into a WR #1?

 

[EBF]

And I don't think Miami would grab DHB with Ginn on the roster. They reportedly like Nicks.

What does having Ginn have to do with drafting DHB? Ginn will never be a #1 but DHB appears to have the tools to do so.

Really? Ginn and DHB seem like pretty similar players to me. Excellent speed, poor route running, not very physical, bad hands.

Ginn is 5'11"/180DHB is 6'2"/210DHB can develop into a #1. Ginn never had that ability.Percy Harvin is closer to Ginn than DHB is. Although in that case I think Harvin is better than Ginn to. And I kind of like Ginn.

The greater point is that DHB to Miami makes no sense. Parcells prefers gamers over projects. He's not going to take a guy who won't be ready to contribute for 2-3 years. If the Dolphins draft a WR, it will probably be a more polished talent who's ready to step in and play immediately (Nicks, Robiskie, etc). DHB is unlikely to slip to #25 anyway.When you're making a mock, you have to consider the team's system and management in addition to their needs. I see some picks on here (DHB to Miami, Nicks to Indy) that don't jive with reality.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And I don't think Miami would grab DHB with Ginn on the roster. They reportedly like Nicks.

What does having Ginn have to do with drafting DHB? Ginn will never be a #1 but DHB appears to have the tools to do so.

Really? Ginn and DHB seem like pretty similar players to me. Excellent speed, poor route running, not very physical, bad hands.

Ginn is 5'11"/180DHB is 6'2"/210

DHB can develop into a #1. Ginn never had that ability.

Percy Harvin is closer to Ginn than DHB is. Although in that case I think Harvin is better than Ginn to. And I kind of like Ginn.

The greater point is that DHB to Miami makes no sense. Parcells prefers gamers over projects. He's not going to take a guy who won't be ready to contribute for 2-3 years. If the Dolphins draft a WR, it will probably be a more polished talent who's ready to step in and play immediately (Nicks, Robiskie, etc). DHB is unlikely to slip to #25 anyway.When you're making a mock, you have to consider the team's system and management in addition to their needs. I see some picks on here (DHB to Miami, Nicks to Indy) that don't jive with reality.

I know Bill has a lot of influence, but remember, Parcells isn't the GM, Jeff Ireland is. And they did already have DHB in for a visit. And in three years of following this closely, trying to find a pattern of "Guy X never takes position Y" never pans out. Before last year, Belichick never takes linebackers high, instead preferring to bring in veterans. Then he drafted Jerod Mayo.

An even better example is Parcells himself. Before last year's draft, everyone beat the drumhead that "Parcells doesn't like taking linemen early so that's why Jake Long won't be #1." Well, we know what happened there.

And Nicks and Robiskie are more polished and ready to play immediately? I think that might be true with Nicks, but no way it's true with Robiskie. And it's just my personal opinion, but I think Nicks is overrated.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And I'm not trying to pick a fight with you here EBF, really.

But when you say "When you're making a mock, you have to consider the team's system and management in addition to their needs" you and I know that year in/year out people do just that only to have their mocks blown out of the water around pick three when some team falls out of their "established" pattern. So that doesn't make much sense as a criticism either.

If it were, indeed, that easy, a lot of mock drafts would be a lot more accurate.

 

[EBF]

And I'm not trying to pick a fight with you here EBF, really. But when you say "When you're making a mock, you have to consider the team's system and management in addition to their needs" you and I know that year in/year out people do just that only to have their mocks blown out of the water around pick three when some team falls out of their "established" pattern. So that doesn't make much sense as a criticism either.If it were, indeed, that easy, a lot of mock drafts would be a lot more accurate.

I think it makes sense as a criticism. Certain players don't fit in certain systems. Teams that run a 4-3 defense generally aren't going to be interested in the hybrid DE/OLB types coveted by teams who run a 3-4. Teams that play a lot of man coverage generally aren't going to be as receptive to slow cornerbacks as teams that play a lot of zone. By the same token, teams that use a downfield passing attack relying on crisp routes and speed generally aren't going to covet west coast offense possession/YAC receivers. It's not about teams picking this position or that position. It's about teams picking players who fit their philosophy.You can't just say, "This team needs a WR and this WR is rated highest on the internet pundit board, therefore they're going to take him." Look at a team like Indianapolis. Without exception, their system uses thin, speedy WRs. Would you then expect them to draft one of the big 215+ pound possession WRs like Kenny Britt or Ramses Barden? No. Those guys don't fit what the Colts do on offense. Indianapolis is much more likely to look at guys like Jarett Dillard and Jeremy Maclin. This is where it's helpful to actually watch these prospects play and understand their playing style. That way you're not just sticking a random prospect on a team with a need at his position regardless of whether or not his skills fit their philosophy at all.Regarding the Dolphins and DHB, I can say that Parcells has always favored accomplished football players over raw athletes who may or may not develop. I think Miami is much more likely to draft one of the reliable WR targets over one of the flashy boom-or-bust types. They don't need a WR to stash in the cupboard for the next three years. They need one who can actually step in and contribute since they arguably don't have a starting caliber WR on the roster right now.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And I'm not trying to pick a fight with you here EBF, really. But when you say "When you're making a mock, you have to consider the team's system and management in addition to their needs" you and I know that year in/year out people do just that only to have their mocks blown out of the water around pick three when some team falls out of their "established" pattern. So that doesn't make much sense as a criticism either.If it were, indeed, that easy, a lot of mock drafts would be a lot more accurate.

I think it makes sense as a criticism. Certain players don't fit in certain systems. Teams that run a 4-3 defense generally aren't going to be interested in the hybrid DE/OLB types coveted by teams who run a 3-4. Teams that play a lot of man coverage generally aren't going to be as receptive to slow cornerbacks as teams that play a lot of zone. By the same token, teams that use a downfield passing attack relying on crisp routes and speed generally aren't going to covet west coast offense possession/YAC receivers. It's not about teams picking this position or that position. It's about teams picking players who fit their philosophy.You can't just say, "This team needs a WR and this WR is rated highest on the internet pundit board, therefore they're going to take him." Look at a team like Indianapolis. Without exception, their system uses thin, speedy WRs. Would you then expect them to draft one of the big 215+ pound possession WRs like Kenny Britt or Ramses Barden? No. Those guys don't fit what the Colts do on offense. Indianapolis is much more likely to look at guys like Jarett Dillard and Jeremy Maclin. This is where it's helpful to actually watch these prospects play and understand their playing style. That way you're not just sticking a random prospect on a team with a need at his position regardless of whether or not his skills fit their philosophy at all.Regarding the Dolphins and DHB, I can say that Parcells has always favored accomplished football players over raw athletes who may or may not develop. I think Miami is much more likely to draft one of the reliable WR targets over one of the flashy boom-or-bust types. They don't need a WR to stash in the cupboard for the next three years. They need one who can actually step in and contribute since they arguably don't have a starting caliber WR on the roster right now.

I guess it's just a matter of how we differ on a prospect then. I don't think Nicks and Robiskie are any more prepared than DHB and I think he has a much higher ceiling than the other two.Potato. Potahtoe.

 

[stevegamer]

Honestly, I think some of the picks in that mock draft are so awful, that I really can't fathom the players landing in those spots.

I quit following it after the Beanie pick at 4. Ginn is a great comparison to DHB. When I first saw DHB could go #7, I immediately thought 'this year's Ginn'.

This line of thinking is so ####ed. Just because you disagree with one pick means that you won't continue on to the rest?Whatever.

Anyway, the whole Seahawks taking an RB discussion is likely moot as I expect they'll trade out of that spot. And when they do, then taking an RB makes even more sense. And Wells is scheduled to make a visit to Seattle.

And saying that it's "too early" for a talented player has gotten many a team in trouble. Wouldn't the Raiders or Cardinals been better off taking the "injury prone" Adrian Peterson at 1 and 5 respectively instead of Jamarcus Russell and Levi Brown (a RIGHT tackle for crying out loud!)? I'm not saying Wells is AP, but he's much more talented than a lot of you are giving him credit for. The man is 6'1"/235 and ran a 4.38 at his pro day - an astounding number.

I'm not the guy you're responding to, but he quoted me. When voting above, I immediately ignored the things I just don't even remotely see happening. So of the choices that I think have a chance of happening, I am following the mock draft, but I just couldn't pull the trigger here on a scenario that I don't see happening and/or involves a guy I think is a huge bust risk. Wells is the guy who fits both of those criteria for me.I've stayed of commenting in the mock draft thread for now - you've got a tough job there and I didn't want to pile on.