Rookie Players (1 Viewer)

[Jeff Tefertiller]

When evaluating the situations for rookies, how much do you consider the team's past success drafting at the position? I ask this because it seems as though some teams are very adept at drafting certain positions while others seem that they could do better with a dart board.

I know there are many more, but the first two rookie players/situations to come to mind are:

Andre Brown - The Giants have enjoyed remarkable success in evaluating backs for their system. With Jacobs (4th round), Ward (drafted in 7th by Jets but never played for them), Grant (UDFA) and Bradshaw (7th round) as success stories, I moved Brown up a couple of places in my rankings. Yes, I know about the Dayne pick years ago, but their accomplishments in discovering good players later in the draft is underrated.

Gartrell Johnson - Sproles in 4th round and Michael Turner in the 5th round are two great reasons to like Johnson. Gartrell looked like a man against boys in the bowl game against Fresno State. He also looked good in Senior Bowl week. With the uncertain future of Tomlinson, Gartrell could have a future in SD.

For second year players, Kevin O'Connell is a guy I am watching for the same reasons. NE has enjoyed success in grading passers and spent a third round pick on him. Now, with Cassel gone, O'Connell should see some time/reps in preseason. Also, in terms of dynasty, Dan Orlovsky is a guy to keep an eye on. Kubiak knows what to look for. He made the bold move for Schaub. The Texans gave Orlovsky a good deal of money. I do expect Schaub to be the long-term option, but Kubiak's success with QBs makes me like Orlovsky.

What are other players/situations that you either upgrade or downgrade a player because of the team's history in evaluating talent?

 

[Kleck]

My rankings/tiers have been affected by who drafted a certain player at times. It (Belichick) was the deciding factor for me to go with Maroney over Willams at 1.02 back in 2006.

 

[prymetyme25]

I downgraded Maclin- Everyone seems to think he is gonna be great in this system but if Philly was so great at drafting WRs then everyone wouldn't be STILL talking about getting McNabb some weapons.

Upgrade Parcells offensive picks- They may not be stars but he always makes sure they do what they do best. Turner and Hartline will be used to the best of their capabilities. So will Pat White. EI. Quincy Carter, Julius Jones, Terry Glen, Even Marion Barber maybe Parcells was using him the right way.

Upgrade Giants RB picks- you may have to wait but their seems to always be something there.

Upgrade Dallas QB picks- They may not be Great but they always get greatness hype and definitely makes them highly tradeable assets. Stephen McGee

 

[prymetyme25]

When evaluating the situations for rookies, how much do you consider the team's past success drafting at the position? I ask this because it seems as though some teams are very adept at drafting certain positions while others seem that they could do better with a dart board. I know there are many more, but the first two rookie players/situations to come to mind are:Andre Brown - The Giants have enjoyed remarkable success in evaluating backs for their system. With Jacobs (4th round), Ward (drafted in 7th by Jets but never played for them), Grant (UDFA) and Bradshaw (7th round) as success stories, I moved Brown up a couple of places in my rankings. Yes, I know about the Dayne pick years ago, but their accomplishments in discovering good players later in the draft is underrated.Gartrell Johnson - Sproles in 4th round and Michael Turner in the 5th round are two great reasons to like Johnson. Gartrell looked like a man against boys in the bowl game against Fresno State. He also looked good in Senior Bowl week. With the uncertain future of Tomlinson, Gartrell could have a future in SD. For second year players, Kevin O'Connell is a guy I am watching for the same reasons. NE has enjoyed success in grading passers and spent a third round pick on him. Now, with Cassel gone, O'Connell should see some time/reps in preseason. Also, in terms of dynasty, Dan Orlovsky is a guy to keep an eye on. Kubiak knows what to look for. He made the bold move for Schaub. The Texans gave Orlovsky a good deal of money. I do expect Schaub to be the long-term option, but Kubiak's success with QBs makes me like Orlovsky.What are other players/situations that you either upgrade or downgrade a player because of the team's history in evaluating talent?

great topic by the way.

 

[vikingdave]

is there somewhere I can see a list of rankings for the rookies?

got a few dynasty rookie draft soming up and need help...

TIA

 

[Kleck]

is there somewhere I can see a list of rankings for the rookies?

got a few dynasty rookie draft soming up and need help...

TIA

FBG Rookie Rankings

 

[sparkky]

anyone the Raiders draft gives me pause. not necessarily due to talent, but organization.

 

[vikingdave]

is there somewhere I can see a list of rankings for the rookies?

got a few dynasty rookie draft soming up and need help...

TIA

FBG Rookie Rankings

thank you sir

 

[coolnerd]

I think this should vary depending on how much a person follows college football. The less college football you watch, the more a draft or rankings should consider how high a player is drafted, the team which drafts him, and the posisible path to the starting line-up. In my mind, unless you have some feel for evaluation and/or watch a ton college football, use the professionals almost exclusively.

 

[EBF]

I think the importance varies depending on what position the prospect plays.

For RBs, early opportunity is important. Any young RB who has a realistic shot at early playing time has the potential to boom immediately. We saw this last year with Chris Johnson, Steve Slaton, Matt Forte, Kevin Smith, and (to a lesser extent) Tim Hightower. These guys may or may not be the real deal in the long run, but their value spiked because they capitalized on an early opportunity. If you're looking for immediate returns, I think you have to favor the RBs who can start from day one. This year that group is probably limited to Chris Wells and Knowshon Moreno. Lesser talents like James Davis, Rashad Jennings, and Gartrell Johnson could make some waves due to thin depth charts.

For QBs and WRs, I'm more concerned with talent level. Since most of these players won't boom immediately, what matters more than their short term situation is their long term talent level. I would rather have Brandon Tate buried in a talented New England group than Patrick Turner in a wide open Miami situation because Tate looks like the better talent.

I also consider the quality of the organization. Teams like Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, San Diego, New England, and Green Bay tend to draft well. I'm more likely to give their picks the benefit of the doubt. This seems especially important at the QB position, where a nurturing environment and a strong supporting cast are important ingredients in success.