Rookie RB's - Thoughts on these 6, second tier guys .... (1 Viewer)

[huskynation]

Guys-

I'd be interested in gaining some insight from some of you on these 6 rookies. Who do you think has the best opportunity to make the most immediate impact?

Donta' Foreman- Big man, with great speed and only an underachieving Lamar Miller to move past.

Marlon Mack- Very elusive and only Gore in front of him but do you think the Matt Jones signing impacts his opportunities?

Tarik Cohen- Great opportunity with Langford getting cut. Can he handle the physicality with his smaller size? Probably more talented than Howard.

Samaje Perine- Another guy that gets a chance to prove himself early as he beats out Jones and has a good shot at surpassing Rob Kelly early

Jamal Williams- Could get an early shot to prove himself as I don't feel GB is sold on Montgomery.

Deep Sleeper .... Chris Carson (Seattle) - Love his running style and even though the backfield is full the coaching staff loves him and made Collins expendable.

I rank these guys ...

Foreman
Perine
Cohen
Williams
Carson
Mack

How would you rank these?
 

 

[smbkrypt24]

Tarik Cohen- Great opportunity with Langford getting cut. Can he handle the physicality with his smaller size? Probably more talented than Howard.

I rank these guys ...

Foreman
Perine
Cohen
Williams
Carson
Mack

How would you rank these?
 

That is quite the bold statement after Howard rushed for 1300 yards and 7 TDs his rookie year.  Where do you come up with something like that?

My Rankings of these guys would be:

Foreman

Mack

Williams

Carson

Perine

Cohen

 

[Casting Couch]

Foreman

Mack

Carson

Williams

Cohen

Perine

 

[huskynation]

That is quite the bold statement after Howard rushed for 1300 yards and 7 TDs his rookie year.  Where do you come up with something like that?

My Rankings of these guys would be:

Foreman

Mack

Williams

Carson

Perine

Cohen

Watched most of one of his pre-season games and quite a few highlights plus the reports out of camp mirror my statement. Right or wrong we won't know until mid-season.

 

[az_prof]

When ranking players like the opportunity is king, plus evidence of blocking and ability to hold down a 3 down position.

1. Mack: Gore is 34, which is ancient for a RB, even a HOF one.

2. Jamaal Williams: Ty has never held down a full-time running gig for a whole season and I am not convinced he can do it. Williams has been getting solid reviews all camp and preseason and can be a 3 down back and can block.

3. Foreman: HOU is a good situation but Lamar is no slouch and I don't see Foreman replacing him without injury.  

4. Perine: Kelley was pretty effective last year but he is not a super star so there is a chance Perine can replace him and Thompson is just a COP back.

5. Carson: he has the most competition although he may be the best back.  Good situation if he gets a chance and some guys go down but I am not optimistic he gets that chance this year.

6. Cohen: He has a solid RB in front of him and I am not convinced that Cohen has the size to be a full-time back even if Howard goes down.   He's a COP and ok in PPR as a flex player but that's about it. I don't see that much value.

 

[Zow]

I read yesterday that turbin is ahead of Mack. 

 

[Slider]

Williams

Carson

Everyone else

 

[az_prof]

I read yesterday that turbin is ahead of Mack. 

Turbin may be ahead now, but he is six years in the league and still a back up so that tells you that he is not a guy who is going to grab a spot and run with it. He may be first in for the first in if Gore needs a blow, but if Gore goes down I think Mack will get the shot.

 

[huskynation]

Turbin may be ahead now, but he is six years in the league and still a back up so that tells you that he is not a guy who is going to grab a spot and run with it. He may be first in for the first in if Gore needs a blow, but if Gore goes down I think Mack will get the shot.

I agree with his 100%. Turbin has had his chance with multiple teams. Mack gets the first shot for sure.

 

[SameSongNDance]

The OP is a bit confusing. There's a difference between who is going to make an immediate impact and who has the most season long upside. For instance, I feel most comfortable saying Cohen has the best chance of making an immediate impact out of this group but Foreman has more season long upside.

Immediate impact:

Cohen, Williams, Mack, Carson, Foreman, Perine

Season long upside:

Foreman, Mack, Carson, Perine, Williams, Cohen

Just a quick note on Williams. He's decent at everything but only truly excels at pass blocking. If preseason is any indication, he's being pushed by Jones who has looked to be the better runner. My outlook on Williams has soured since early August.

 

[Koya]

I agree with his 100%. Turbin has had his chance with multiple teams. Mack gets the first shot for sure.

It also depends on where the Colts are if/when the need arises.

Early season or still in the hunt, especially if they are doing well and Lucks back in and looking solid... more so if Mack has issues with protection but I really can't say I know.

If the season is on the brink or worse and/or Lucks lost for a while Mack could foreseeable see significant time even if Gore is healthy, looking to the future. 

Fwiw, Gore owner and didn't get Mack in that league (Have Martin so was a more early season focus through his suspension in this particular case). 

 

[-OZ-]

That is quite the bold statement after Howard rushed for 1300 yards and 7 TDs his rookie year.  Where do you come up with something like that?

My Rankings of these guys would be:

Foreman

Mack

Williams

Carson

Perine

Cohen

Most of us would agree Cohen is more explosive and dynamic but Howard more capable of being the bell cow.  Really is a great combination for the bears and considering their lack of receivers I'd expect to see a lot of two back sets. Cohen's value is league format dependent. Love him in large ppr. Not so much in 12 team leagues where you start 2 backs.

 

[huskynation]

The OP is a bit confusing. There's a difference between who is going to make an immediate impact and who has the most season long upside. For instance, I feel most comfortable saying Cohen has the best chance of making an immediate impact out of this group but Foreman has more season long upside.

Immediate impact:

Cohen, Williams, Mack, Carson, Foreman, Perine

Season long upside:

Foreman, Mack, Carson, Perine, Williams, Cohen

Just a quick note on Williams. He's decent at everything but only truly excels at pass blocking. If preseason is any indication, he's being pushed by Jones who has looked to be the better runner. My outlook on Williams has soured since early August.

Great feedback. As far as immediate impact I was looking for the guy that would have the quickest impact during the first quarter of the season and throughout the season.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

How does Breida, with a potential Coleman like role in SF,  fit in to all of this for you?

 

[smbkrypt24]

Watched most of one of his pre-season games and quite a few highlights plus the reports out of camp mirror my statement. Right or wrong we won't know until mid-season.

Reports out of camp are saying Cohen is more talented than Howard?

 

[smbkrypt24]

Most of us would agree Cohen is more explosive and dynamic but Howard more capable of being the bell cow.  Really is a great combination for the bears and considering their lack of receivers I'd expect to see a lot of two back sets. Cohen's value is league format dependent. Love him in large ppr. Not so much in 12 team leagues where you start 2 backs.

I can agree he is more explosive, but more talented is a bold statement.  If you can rush for 1300 yards as a rookie where you didn't start from day 1 I would say you have elite NFL talent as a RB.  You don't have to be flashy and break off huge gains to be a highly successful RB in the league.  J. Howard has elite vision and sets up his blocks nicely.  I think we jump onto the flashy new thing very easily, but Howard has played in the NFL and was very successful his first year.

 

[zamboni]

I would add Gallman to the mix.

 

[huskynation]

I would add Gallman to the mix.

He's got a great opportunity and I was high on him as well until I watched him play against Cleveland. He looked horrible.

 

[huskynation]

How does Breida, with a potential Coleman like role in SF,  fit in to all of this for you?

He's got a great opportunity also but have to admit I haven't seen much of him?

 

[zamboni]

He's got a great opportunity and I was high on him as well until I watched him play against Cleveland. He looked horrible.

Agreed, but I don't think that a handful of carries is much to go on. Of course, it's all what McAdoo thinks

 

[Sarlakticacid]

He's got a great opportunity also but have to admit I haven't seen much of him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZVbcRgh9-E Breida - PS week 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fNQlXyAOgE Game 3 highlights

Biabreakable comments game 3:

I was watching the replay of Vikings 49ers preseason game three earlier today and I got to see a couple of runs by Breida that showed good vision and change of direction ability that I did not see much of in the cuts ups I watched of him and described earlier on in the thread. One play in particular was a good example of him reading the flow of the defense (that was over pursuing) and to make a quick change of direction to run to a lane on the backside of the play.

Its only one play and this wasn't to the outside, he makes the cut and then gets north south following the backside lane that opened up.

I think lanes like this develop often from the ZBS and the way he adjusted and attacked the over pursuit was good. This requires good vision, instructs and understanding of the play and where these cut back lanes may develop.

It is always good for me to see examples that dismiss a flaw or criticism I have about a player in college at the pro level. It tells me either I was wrong, the player has changed/taken to coaching or I just didn't see the right plays in college to show me the player can do what I hadn't seen them do before.

I don't think he played weeks 2 or 4