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Rookie WR Ranking (1 Viewer)

Given the choice, which one would you draft?

  • Greg Jennings (Western Michigan) - Green Bay

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  • Brandon Marshall (Central Florida) - Denver

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houndirish

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I'm doing my rookie WR rankings for my upcoming dynasty draft and was curious to see how the collective FBG's Nation viewed these two WR's. Since both played ball at small schools I never got to watch them on TV. I've seen more highlight film of Marshall and am pretty high on him. However everything I've read on Jennings has been pretty positive and of the two, he seems the more polished receiver. He also may see the field a bit sooner in Green Bay than Marshall will in Denver. Which one would you prefer and why?

 
I'm doing my rookie WR rankings for my upcoming dynasty draft and was curious to see how the collective FBG's Nation viewed these two WR's. Since both played ball at small schools I never got to watch them on TV. I've seen more highlight film of Marshall and am pretty high on him. However everything I've read on Jennings has been pretty positive and of the two, he seems the more polished receiver. He also may see the field a bit sooner in Green Bay than Marshall will in Denver. Which one would you prefer and why?
I think Marshall is the better prospect purely on measurables and potential. But, Jennings is in the better situation to contribute in the near term.
 
I just picked Marshall in a draft, but to be honest if Marshall and Jennings were there, I would have taken Jennings.

And now I'm thinking about it a little bit more, I'm kind of glad that Jennings was gone. A big part of the value in a GB Wideout is the fact that Brett Favre is going to throw it a lot.

By the time jennings gets set...those days may be over.

 
I'm doing my rookie WR rankings for my upcoming dynasty draft and was curious to see how the collective FBG's Nation viewed these two WR's.  Since both played ball at small schools I never got to watch them on TV.  I've seen more highlight film of Marshall and am pretty high on him.  However everything I've read on Jennings has been pretty positive and of the two, he seems the more polished receiver.  He also may see the field a bit sooner in Green Bay than Marshall will in Denver.  Which one would you prefer and why?
I think Marshall is the better prospect purely on measurables and potential. But, Jennings is in the better situation to contribute in the near term.
So who'd you vote for?
 
Lelie is all but gone, and Rod Smith won't play forever. I'm not impressed with Watts or any of the other WR's on Denver. (except Walker of course). I like the QB situation in Denver better as well. I voted (and just drafted) Marshall over Jennings.

 
First off as far as rookie mocks go, I've noticed Jennings going way earlier than Marshall. So when you get to a pick where Marshall would be a solid choice 9 out of 10 times Jennings wont be there anyway.

Its been this way ever since word out of GreenBay is besides Driver, Jennings is the next best WR on the team now as far as route running and hands.

Marshall is a project for sure. And IMO holds the biggest boom or bust of any WR in the Draft. I've also read some reports that says Marshalls motivation and charactor are in question. When at UCF he was suspended once. The icing on the cake for me is the fact that hes buried on the depth chart behind Rod smith, Walker and Lelie... maybe even Watts.

I didnt get to draft Jenning in my most recent rookie draft becasue he was taken at the 2.1 BUT I wanted to a little later in the second, I think hes got very good skills.

IF you have a strong WR core and can afford the risk, go Marshall.

IF you need a WR whos going to make an immediate impact go Jennings.

 
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Jennings is the much safer pick, and probably the better pick in the long run. He'll be productive on the field a lot sooner and could be the Packers' WR2 by the end of the year. But he'll never have Marshall's possible upside. Marshall is a project that will sit behind Walker and Smith and others all year this year. He may do very little next year too. He probably will never reach that huge upside either, but he gets T.O. comparisons and that's noteworthy and the reason there's such a buzz about him. He's a possible home run for the owner patient enough to wait.

I think that at rookie dynasty draft time a lot of guys forget what their own personalities are like during the season. You need to honestly ask yourself whether you are a personality who can patiently sit on Marshall 2-3 years without getting a bit of useful production out of him, or whether you're going to cut him in 2006 week 8 when some NFL team's WR3 cracks the starting lineup due to injury and Marshall has zero points. Other talent, size of your team's roster, and need for immediate production all play a part in your decision. If you can't wait that long, the answer is Jennings and it's easy.

I was in four 14 team / 20 man roster dynasty leagues last year, and Vincent Jackson was dropped by the original owners in two of them. In one, the owner dropped him in December for Todd Bouman because he needed a stopgap QB. In the other, the owner dropped him in September for TE Ben Utecht! I think Jackson is a good guy to compare with Marshall here. Tall, big, dominant at a lower level of competition. Jackson is probably considered a better prospect than Marshall, as a 2nd round pick, and has a clearer path to WR1 in SD than Marshall has in Denver.

So, to see Jackson being dropped in deep leagues by dynasty owners because he's not putting fantasy points on the board says to me the same thing will happen with Marshall unless the owner who drafts him keeps remembering why he drafted him and is sure he's the patient type. Before even considering drafting Marshall ahead of Jennings, know thyself.

 
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Of the 115 WR's taken in the fifth round or later since 1999 only 1 could you consider to be a #1(Donald Driver). There have been only 4-5 others that have been serviceable #2's. Considering Marshall was drafted in the 5th round I wouldn't like the odds of him making a splash.

 
Of the 115 WR's taken in the fifth round or later since 1999 only 1 could you consider to be a #1(Donald Driver). There have been only 4-5 others that have been serviceable #2's. Considering Marshall was drafted in the 5th round I wouldn't like the odds of him making a splash.
He was round 4, pick 119.Also, that's fuzzy statistics comparing "XX round or later". The "or later" slants the results. You shouldn't compare a 4th (or 5th) rounder by lumping him in with 6th and 7th rounders.

 
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I also heard the rumblings about Marshall's character. Shannahan seems to be pretty suucessful with guys like this. (Clarett excepted!) I think people are over looking Ferguson at GB though... reports from mini camp say he looks very good... he is finally healthy again, and his speed has returned.

Marshall will remain on my taxi squad, where we can stockpile as many as 13 rooks for up to three years without penalties of any sort. Jennings would be the safer pick, but if Marshall is lightning in a bottle, and does in fact turn out to be an elite WR, he could carry a team. I tend to gamble on the high side, at least with this kid. I don't see Lelie being a factor in Denver in 2007, and may not be one even this year. If Marshall has that kind of talent, he will easilly play over Watts. I'll hold Marshall on my taxi squad for at least two years, and see how it plays out.

PS: Many also seem to forget, Marshall was a DB until this year, and then started the season as the 3rd or 4th WR at Central Florida. He didn't even start until half way through the season, and this in large part is why he was drafted so late. Even at that, he still got invited to the Shrine game, and burnt it up. He had five TD's in his last two college appearances, including one single handed catch for a 51 yard TD. For me, the upside is just too tempting....

 
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I admit that I've seen more Jennings than Marshall, but this isn't close IMO.

If you want a long shot prospect with "measurables", sure take Marshall.

If you want a prospect WR with great hands and overall great talent, in a position to succeed immediately, taken 2 rounds higher, it's Jennings.

I know the Marshall love has gotten big time around here thanks to Bloom, but you're taking a player with a slight chance of being very good over a WR with a great chance of being quite good.

I took Jennings, and it isn't close right now. In two years, as Jennings has performed, and Marshall might finally get on the field, we'll revisit.

I realize this is an extreme analogy, but how many guys voting for Marshall took Calico over Boldin? (FWIW, I did :bag: )

 
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Before even considering drafting Marshall ahead of Jennings, know thyself.
:goodposting: I voted Marshall. I have him, Jennings and Hagan in a tier with Chad Jackson, below Holmes, above Moss. My rankings make me happy to pass on Jackson, because the other three present similar value to me. I'd rather have two of them who go later. I tried. I took Jennings (@2.11) knowing he's had the higher ADP, and expected to get Hagan or Marshall next, barely preferring Marshall (Hagan is in a much better situation so I didn't really care). They both went before 3.11. CP's post is very smart though. Hagan and Jennings will produce sooner, and Marshall may get dropped in many leagues. When he gets his chance (two years at least?) he may end up the best of the lot. He's not a quick fix though, and Hixon is a lot of competition on the same roster from the same 4th round.

 
I realize this is an extreme analogy, but how many guys voting for Marshall took Calico over Boldin? (FWIW, I did :bag: )
See now? I'm a big Marshall fan, but I was screaming for Dallas to draft Boldin and never cared much for Calico. I've only seen highlights of Jennings and they aren't very impressive, frankly. I've seen Marshall in five games. He's a dominator, and his hands are better than Jennings, imo.

 
I realize this is an extreme analogy, but how many guys voting for Marshall took Calico over Boldin? (FWIW, I did :bag: )
OZ, I want you to know I really hate you. It wasn't Calico, but Kelley Washington for me. I remember passing on Boldin because he was supposedly too slow (timed 4.6 speed I think) to be a factor. Thanks for dredging up the memory, you SOB. :D
 
I've been pimping Jennings from back when he was barely in the top 20 for WR's, so I would have to go with him. I don't like his situation in GB after this year but he should make an impact his rookie year.

I ended up drafted Marshall since Jennings when early in my draft, so I do like his upside. However, he won't make much fantasy impact until Rod Smith retires. I like his situation a lot with him and Cutler able to work together during practice and that should translate to good chemistry on the field when they both become starters.

 
Of the 115 WR's taken in the fifth round or later since 1999 only 1 could you consider to be a #1(Donald Driver). There have been only 4-5 others that have been serviceable #2's. Considering Marshall was drafted in the 5th round I wouldn't like the odds of him making a splash.
He was round 4, pick 119.Also, that's fuzzy statistics comparing "XX round or later". The "or later" slants the results. You shouldn't compare a 4th (or 5th) rounder by lumping him in with 6th and 7th rounders.
I stand corrected on the round but I stick by the "fuzzy statistics" although they don't apply in Marshall's case. After all that I would still take Jennings though.
 
I realize this is an extreme analogy, but how many guys voting for Marshall took Calico over Boldin? (FWIW, I did :bag: )
OZ, I want you to know I really hate you. It wasn't Calico, but Kelley Washington for me. I remember passing on Boldin because he was supposedly too slow (timed 4.6 speed I think) to be a factor. Thanks for dredging up the memory, you SOB. :D
Same idea really. ETA - I am not saying, by any stetch, that Jennings = Boldin.

Maybe I put too much weight into the fact that Jennings went 68 picks higher than Marshall, every team passed on him a few times.

Just going by the experts on NFL.com

SUMMARY

Marshall is an interesting prospect when you see his height/weight/timed-speed combo and consider that he played defensive back until his senior season -- he definitely is a very good developmental prospect. While he clearly has excellent size for a receiver, he does not play anywhere near as fast as his 40-time and lacks the explosiveness in his routes to get separation from defenders -- usually, raw receivers show their speed and burst and just run bad routes and drop a ton of passes. He has shown the toughness catching passes in traffic that gives him hope, but he will need to play more aggressively in every area to become the player he has the ability to be. Teams will be hesitant to draft a receiver who show no explosiveness or playing speed on film, no matter how great his 40-time is. While he is not a natural pass catcher, he has shown the ability to reach out and pluck the ball away from his body surprisingly well. He is going to struggle to develop into anything more than a backup receiver due to his lack of explosiveness and speed and, if he does not become a starting receiver, teams may try to switch him to tight end to see how he handles that role.

STRONG POINTS

Marshall has excellent size and consistently has shown a willingness to catch passes going into traffic, take the hard hit and hold onto the ball. He can reach out and pluck the ball away from his body and has shown the ability to use his body to cut-off/shield defenders from ball and make tough catches. When he goes up aggressively, he has shown the hands to catch the high pass easily. He has the natural size and strength to be a strong runner after the catch when he runs aggressively -- he keeps his feet vs. low arm/grab tackles and vs. hard hits, and can drag tacklers for extra yards. In his first year playing receiver, he became Central Florida's go-to-receiver and learned to use his hands and strength to fight through jams well.

WEAKNESSES

Despite his great 40-time, Marshall does not show quickness, speed or explosiveness in routes. He is just adequate in terms of quickness to the ball and struggles to get separation in routes because his routes are not sharp and he runs very upright. He does not have the playing speed to stretch the field and get separation on deep routes. He has little experience running all the routes on the route tree and basically just runs short stop routes and drag routes across the field. He does not have natural hands -- he tends to allow easy passes into his body, fights the ball, and drops some passes he should catch. He does not consistently run aggressively after the catch which hinders his ability to consistently gain yards after contact and he's not a true tackle breaker.
SUMMARY

Jennings is a player that is impressive. He is one of the few players at the position with no glaring weaknesses. He is a very good athlete with the foot quickness, balance and agility to make plays once he has the ball in his hands. While he lacks elite explosiveness and speed, Jennings runs sharp routes and has the ability to turn the cornerback around. This enables him to get better separation than most receivers who have better timed speed. While he is going to make a lot of big plays in the NFL, Jennings will get caught from behind more than he is used to. He runs hard with the ball and fights for extra yards until he is on the ground, and does a good job of blocking his man out of the play. Overall, Jennings is the type of receiver who usually ends up slipping a bit in the draft because he lacks the great height or elite 40-yard dash time that teams usually focus on. However, his athleticism will combine with his football intelligence and instincts to let him contribute sooner than nearly all the other receivers available this year. In the end, he will become a very good starting receiver that will make big plays when running after the catch and as a punt returner.

CRITICAL FACTORS

Size Athletic Ability Hands Competes Play Speed Instincts

6.0 6.5 6.5 6.0 6.0 6.5

STRONG POINTS

Jennings is a very good athlete with the foot quickness, agility and explosiveness to make big plays in the open field. He makes his biggest impact by making things happen after the catch. He is a very smart receiver that runs very sharp routes -- sells fakes very well and can get the cornerback to bite and turn the wrong way. When he can get the cornerback turned, Jennings has the burst to get separation deep down the field. He has very good hands and has shown the ability to pluck the ball away from defenders' hands at nearly full speed.

WEAKNESSES

Jennings will take his eyes off the ball at times and start upfield before tucking the ball away, which leads to him dropping some easy passes. He has a very good burst in routes and after the catch, but lacks the elite explosiveness and top-end speed -- fast NFL cornerbacks will be able to stay with him on deep routes. He looks smaller on film than his measured size, and while he can keep feet against hits and runs through arm tackles, he is not a tackle breaker.

POSITIONAL FACTORS

Grade Category Comments/Description

6.5 Hands Has very good hands -- can pluck the ball away from body well and can adjust to make great catches.

6.0 Initial Quickness Consistently gets off the ball and into the route quickly, but does not explode off the ball.

6.0 Clean Release Does a good job of getting off the ball and into the route quickly when he is uncovered by a cornerback.

6.0 Release vs. Jam His combination of quick feet, agility, strength and quick hands help him defeat the jam.

6.5 Patterns Runs very sharp and precise routes, and does a very good job of selling fakes to turn cornerbacks around.

6.5 Adjusts to Ball His hands, body control and coordination help him to adjust and make great catches seem routine.

6.5 Run after Catch He is an explosive runner after the catch who can make tacklers miss and has a burst through holes.

6.5 Deep Threat Has good speed, and his sharp routes and burst out of cuts help him easily get separation deep.

6.5 Hand/Eye Coordination Coordination allows him to make the super sharp cut without losing his footing.

6.0 Blocking Gives a good effort and nearly always stays on block long enough to eliminate his man from the play.

6.0 Return Ability His hands, quickness, elusiveness and burst make him a dangerous return man -- has experience at punt returner.

6.0 Fumbles/Error Not a fumbler and does not make any real errors, but needs to make all the easy catches every time.

ATHLETIC ABILITY Section Grade: 6.5

Jennings is a very good athlete and it has allowed him to be a dominant receiver in the MAC. His very quick feet enable him to accelerate to full speed in a flash, and that combines with his agility to let him change directions in ahurry. Change-of-direction quickness and burst lets him shake and make tacklers miss consistently -- very slippery and elusive runner in the open field. Has the explosive burst to get separation from the cornerback on short to medium routes and really shows that extra gear to break away from the defender on deep routes -- has shown ability to split the gap between the cornerback and safety and can get five yards of separation. Has the hands and coordination to adjust and make tough catches seem routine -- can pluck the overthrown pass surprisingly well.

Q.A.B. Quick Feet C.O.D. Flexibility Coordination

6.5 6.5 6.5 6.0 6.5

COMPETITIVENESS Section Grade: 6.0

Jennings is a tough football player who played through a lot of pain to stay in the lineup, which is what helped him set the Western Michigan receiving records. On the most important plays, Jennings has shown the ability to step up and make an impact -- not only does he make big catches, but he makes big plays once he is running with the ball in the open field. Was always able to get open, catch the ball and make things happen after the catch. Has the hands to haul in tough catches and has shown the willingness to catch passes in traffic, take the hard hit and hold onto the ball. A versatile team player who has lined up in a variety of spots so that the offense could get him the ball. Also returned punts as a senior despite being their premier player. He is a competitive runner after the catch, runs hard with the ball, and consistently avoid tackles to gain yards after the catch. Does a good job of not exposing himself to extra punishment -- goes down right before getting hit hard when there are a lot of tacklers around him.

Toughness Clutch Play Production Consistency Team Player Pride/Quit

6.0 6.5 6.0 6.0 6.5 6.0

MENTAL ALERTNESS Section Grade: 6.0

Jennings is a very smart football player, and he shows it by running very sharp and precise routes. Uses his hands very well to defeat the jam and does a very good job of coming back to the quarterback when he is flushed from the pocket. Top-notch instincts are combined with his quickness and speed to make him a dangerous runner in the open field -- follows blockers well and can make the quick cut off their blocks. Generally does a very good job of maintaining his concentration, which is what helps him to make tough catches on a regular basis. Occasionally he will take his eyes off the ball to peek upfield to see where he is going to run and ends up dropping some passes he should catch.

Learn/Retain Instincts/Reactions Concentration

6.5 6.5 6.0
 
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SUMMARY

Marshall is an interesting prospect when you see his height/weight/timed-speed combo and consider that he played defensive back until his senior season -- he definitely is a very good developmental prospect. While he clearly has excellent size for a receiver, he does not play anywhere near as fast as his 40-time and lacks the explosiveness in his routes to get separation from defenders -- usually, raw receivers show their speed and burst and just run bad routes and drop a ton of passes. He has shown the toughness catching passes in traffic that gives him hope, but he will need to play more aggressively in every area to become the player he has the ability to be. Teams will be hesitant to draft a receiver who show no explosiveness or playing speed on film, no matter how great his 40-time is. While he is not a natural pass catcher, he has shown the ability to reach out and pluck the ball away from his body surprisingly well. He is going to struggle to develop into anything more than a backup receiver due to his lack of explosiveness and speed and, if he does not become a starting receiver, teams may try to switch him to tight end to see how he handles that role.
I've read this report before, and I think the guy is way off on the speed thing. Marshall is so big that he looks slower than he is. He got deep easily against all-stars in the Hula Bowl, just like he did all year. He toyed with very fast CBs in that game. He doesn't run picture perfect routes, but he has very quick feet and accelerates/separates nicely. Saying he needs to play more aggressively made me laugh the first time I read this. He was a head hunter as a safety and it transferred to his play at WR. Saying he isn't a natural pass catcher is also quite an error, imo. I think it's the strength of his game. I agree he isn't explosive off the line, but he's not easily jammed either. He tosses DBs around.
 
SUMMARY

Marshall is an interesting prospect when you see his height/weight/timed-speed combo and consider that he played defensive back until his senior season -- he definitely is a very good developmental prospect. While he clearly has excellent size for a receiver, he does not play anywhere near as fast as his 40-time and lacks the explosiveness in his routes to get separation from defenders -- usually, raw receivers show their speed and burst and just run bad routes and drop a ton of passes. He has shown the toughness catching passes in traffic that gives him hope, but he will need to play more aggressively in every area to become the player he has the ability to be. Teams will be hesitant to draft a receiver who show no explosiveness or playing speed on film, no matter how great his 40-time is. While he is not a natural pass catcher, he has shown the ability to reach out and pluck the ball away from his body surprisingly well. He is going to struggle to develop into anything more than a backup receiver due to his lack of explosiveness and speed and, if he does not become a starting receiver, teams may try to switch him to tight end to see how he handles that role.
I've read this report before, and I think the guy is way off on the speed thing. Marshall is so big that he looks slower than he is. He got deep easily against all-stars in the Hula Bowl, just like he did all year. He toyed with very fast CBs in that game. He doesn't run picture perfect routes, but he has very quick feet and accelerates/separates nicely. Saying he needs to play more aggressively made me laugh the first time I read this. He was a head hunter as a safety and it transferred to his play at WR. Saying he isn't a natural pass catcher is also quite an error, imo. I think it's the strength of his game. I agree he isn't explosive off the line, but he's not easily jammed either. He tosses DBs around.
I'll need to watch film on him, I'm not so much arguing against your take on Marshall (can't, nothing to base it on as I said, I haven't seen him in real games), but then a WR goes that low with great measurables and a good performance in the senior bowl, I tend to defer to the judgement of NFL scouts/GMs. I have seen Jennings, and like what I see. In the end, it seems you're picking your poison, want a possible #1 WR? Probably Marshall, want a safer #2? Jennings. Just keep in mind that there's many "safe bets for #2" that end up excelling well past those who have the "higher ceiling".

 
but then a WR goes that low with great measurables and a good performance in the senior bowl, I tend to defer to the judgement of NFL scouts/GMs.

I have seen Jennings, and like what I see. In the end, it seems you're picking your poison, want a possible #1 WR? Probably Marshall, want a safer #2? Jennings.
I agree with the last comment, and I own Jennings not Marshall based on that conservative approach. :shrug: This is a rough crop of rookie receivers to say the least. we're seeking a needle in a haystack. One thing to note about the judgement of nfl scouts is we know GB liked Jennings a lot, but that's no guarantee they all liked him more than Marshall. Of the 14 WRs who went before Marshall, two were drafted to be corners/kick returners, three others were drafted primarily for their kick return potential, 1 was drafted as an RB, and another was a QB convert with potential but a long way to go. It gives me a little different perspective on his draft position, which was higher (in the order) than most expected. He was not invited to the Senior Bowl or the Shriner. He went to the Hula. But he was drafted before 7 Senior Bowl WRs. He made a nice move up the chart.

 
Depends on what you are looking for Jennings has a greater chance of being a very consistent WR over the long haul. If you are trying to hit a home run, then take Marshall.

My thought on this class as a whole is that there will be several starting WRs develop from these guys despite the low ranking in comparison to recent classes. Not sure if I want to be the guy to weed through them though.

 
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