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Who's gonna win offensive and defensive ROY awards?My picks are Ronnie Brown and Odell Thurman.
I'm a fantasy junkie but more of a casual fan when it comes to the real game but how can Orton not win it?Kyle Orton, Bears
Statistically, Orton has been less than spectacular.But other than Dan Marino and Ben Roethlesberger, I can't think of any other rookie QB that has started and won eight games. ....and other than being pulled at 'junk time' of the Lions blowout, Orton has taken every snap.Kyle Orton, Bears
Shaun King?Statistically, Orton has been less than spectacular.But other than Dan Marino and Ben Roethlesberger, I can't think of any other rookie QB that has started and won eight games. ....and other than being pulled at 'junk time' of the Lions blowout, Orton has taken every snap.Kyle Orton, Bears
I've only seen the Bears play a few times and Orton looked pretty bad in those games. What is it that he's doing that is so impressive?54.5%Kyle Orton, Bears
WINNINGIt's debateable whether he's helping them win, or they're winning despite him, but QBs always get credit/blame for the record.2I've only seen the Bears play a few times and Orton looked pretty bad in those games. What is it that he's doing that is so impressive?54.5%Kyle Orton, Bears
5.22 YPA
9 TD
12 INT
62.3 passer rating
As soon as I posted I thought about it and knew someone would come back with "winning". I guess no one else is running away with it. But was hoping someone could tell me something I don't yet know about his play that is impressive. It looks like the bears will sit Grosman even when he's healthy, if so that's a pretty big statement from the coaches about Orton. His numbers look pretty averge for a rookie QB. Right in line with Harrington, Carr, Boller, a little better than Eli, but worse than Ramsey, Leftwich and of course Big Ben.WINNINGIt's debateable whether he's helping them win, or they're winning despite him, but QBs always get credit/blame for the record.2I've only seen the Bears play a few times and Orton looked pretty bad in those games. What is it that he's doing that is so impressive?54.5%Kyle Orton, Bears
5.22 YPA
9 TD
12 INT
62.3 passer rating
Thank you. Finally a vote for Caddy. I would take him as the pick now because he looks to be gettnig his stride back.Kyle Orton.........then Caddy Williams.
I just think Caddy will have a strong finish which will impress some voters and R. Brown will be playing 2nd fiddle to R. Williams.
So often how you finish in these close races sways the voters and I just don't see Brown tearing it up down the stretch.
The leading rookie QB is certain to garner strong consideration.The trouble is, if we look at TDs as a measure of this, Orton might finish up second to the boy from Harvard.Kyle Orton, Bears
I guess my answer to this question is, there isn't another good reason.Maybe the lack of another rookie producing at a high level? Brown has Williams in town, Caddy and Braylon got injured, Jones is now hampered by a lesser QB, etc.As soon as I posted I thought about it and knew someone would come back with "winning". I guess no one else is running away with it. But was hoping someone could tell me something I don't yet know about his play that is impressive. It looks like the bears will sit Grosman even when he's healthy, if so that's a pretty big statement from the coaches about Orton. His numbers look pretty averge for a rookie QB. Right in line with Harrington, Carr, Boller, a little better than Eli, but worse than Ramsey, Leftwich and of course Big Ben.WINNINGIt's debateable whether he's helping them win, or they're winning despite him, but QBs always get credit/blame for the record.2I've only seen the Bears play a few times and Orton looked pretty bad in those games. What is it that he's doing that is so impressive?54.5%Kyle Orton, Bears
5.22 YPA
9 TD
12 INT
62.3 passer rating
Right now Id say Lofa Tatupu & Kyle Orton.
However, Looking beyond the stats, Tatupu has also taken on a ton of responsibility and revitalized a defense that was seriously lagging last year. I don't think any of those other guys has lifted up the level of the play of his teammates as much as Tatupu has. From a straight up individual play standpoint, Merriman has probably outshone Tatupu.Since DROY seems to have more choices, lets look at a few of them.
Odell Thurman
Tackles = 64
Sacks = 1
Ints = 4
FF/FR = 3/1
TDs = 1
Pass Def = 3
Shawne Merriman
Tackles = 33
Sacks = 7
Ints = 0
FF/FR = 2/0
TDs = 0
Pass Def = 3
Lofa Tatupu
Tackles = 81
Sacks = 3.5
Ints = 1
FF/FR = 0/0
TDs = 0
Pass Def = 1
DeMarcus Ware
Tackles = 36
Sacks = 4
Ints = 0
FF/FR = 0/0
TDs = 0
Pass Def = 1
Derrick Johnson
Tackles = 68
Sacks = 1
Ints = 0
FF/FR = 2/1
TDs = 0
Pass Def = 4
Darrent Williams
Tackles = 46
Sacks = 1
Ints = 1
FF/FR = 1/1
TDs = 1
Pass Def = 7
Thurman and Johnson are very similar, except for Thurman's 4 INTs. Tatupu has more tackles but fewer TOs created. Merriman and Ware are very similar, much fewer tackles than the others but more sacks. Williams is the only non-LB, so he is tough to compare based on stats.
LOL. Orton not because he's been good but none of the other offensive rook's have done anything to warrant the nod. At least Orton is the QB on a winning team.Matt Jones
Lets revisit 2001 shall we (I think 2001)?Anthony THomas or Ladanian Tomlinson.There is a big difference between Orton and Ben R IMO.
Ben R looked good on the field AND statistically while he was winning (until the end of the year when he sorta faded). Ben had a 67% completion%, 8.03 YPA and 10:4 TD:INT ratio in his starts through week 12. Orton isn't even on the same football field statistically.
If your sole criteria of ROY if being on a winning team, than sure Orton will have a chance at the award, but if your criteria includes more than that, he has no chance whatsoever. There's a reason why RBs have won 7 of the last 10 awards and it's because they have the easiest path to putting up good stats. Only 2 QBs have won ROY and Dan Marino wasn't even one of them (of course that Eric Dickerson guy had a decent rookie year I hear).
Aside from competing with Caddy and Ronnie Brown for ROY honors, let's not forget Fitzpatrick and Gado who have recently thrown their hat in the ring.
I'd like Merriman to get it since he's made a huge impact for the Chargers, but Thurman has done everything except get a lot of sacks. Right now it's a toss up between Merriman and Thurman statistically and the team impact of Tatupu.However, Looking beyond the stats, Tatupu has also taken on a ton of responsibility and revitalized a defense that was seriously lagging last year. I don't think any of those other guys has lifted up the level of the play of his teammates as much as Tatupu has. From a straight up individual play standpoint, Merriman has probably outshone Tatupu.Since DROY seems to have more choices, lets look at a few of them.
Odell Thurman
Tackles = 64
Sacks = 1
Ints = 4
FF/FR = 3/1
TDs = 1
Pass Def = 3
Shawne Merriman
Tackles = 33
Sacks = 7
Ints = 0
FF/FR = 2/0
TDs = 0
Pass Def = 3
Lofa Tatupu
Tackles = 81
Sacks = 3.5
Ints = 1
FF/FR = 0/0
TDs = 0
Pass Def = 1
DeMarcus Ware
Tackles = 36
Sacks = 4
Ints = 0
FF/FR = 0/0
TDs = 0
Pass Def = 1
Derrick Johnson
Tackles = 68
Sacks = 1
Ints = 0
FF/FR = 2/1
TDs = 0
Pass Def = 4
Darrent Williams
Tackles = 46
Sacks = 1
Ints = 1
FF/FR = 1/1
TDs = 1
Pass Def = 7
Thurman and Johnson are very similar, except for Thurman's 4 INTs. Tatupu has more tackles but fewer TOs created. Merriman and Ware are very similar, much fewer tackles than the others but more sacks. Williams is the only non-LB, so he is tough to compare based on stats.
It's laughable in hindsight because of what we know about those players NOW.However, in 2001, they had remarkably similar rushing stats. The only difference was, LT started from week 1 and A-Train didn't start until around week 6 (James Allen was starting).Lets revisit 2001 shall we (I think 2001)?
Anthony THomas or Ladanian Tomlinson.
Thomas wins rookie of the year. Why?
Not better stats but a winning record for the team he played for.
Its all about hype and the sexy pick. Orten looks to be the sexy pick because he babysits an offense that barely gets by while the defense does everything.
Brown or Caddy should get the nod, but Orten may get it instead.
Looking back now.... Thomas rookie of the year is LAUGHABLE. The award doesn't mean much to me now, it can be VERY flawed.
Yeah, but he already lost the war.Thank you. Finally a vote for Caddy. I would take him as the pick now because he looks to be gettnig his stride back.Kyle Orton.........then Caddy Williams.
I just think Caddy will have a strong finish which will impress some voters and R. Brown will be playing 2nd fiddle to R. Williams.
So often how you finish in these close races sways the voters and I just don't see Brown tearing it up down the stretch.
One impressive fact about Darrant Williams is that the Broncos D is blitzing 3 out of every 4 plays which puts the CB's in alot of one-on-one situations. Williams has held his own most of the time. Not bad for a rookie. I have heard that corner is one of the hardest positions to be great at early on in a career. He has a good start, plus he returns kicks. Wouldn't it be nice to see a different position win the award than an average QB who happens to have a GREAT Defense or a RB who hits the wall after 10-12 weeks. Just my opinion.I'd like Merriman to get it since he's made a huge impact for the Chargers, but Thurman has done everything except get a lot of sacks. Right now it's a toss up between Merriman and Thurman statistically and the team impact of Tatupu.However, Looking beyond the stats, Tatupu has also taken on a ton of responsibility and revitalized a defense that was seriously lagging last year. I don't think any of those other guys has lifted up the level of the play of his teammates as much as Tatupu has. From a straight up individual play standpoint, Merriman has probably outshone Tatupu.Since DROY seems to have more choices, lets look at a few of them.
Odell Thurman
Tackles = 64
Sacks = 1
Ints = 4
FF/FR = 3/1
TDs = 1
Pass Def = 3
Shawne Merriman
Tackles = 33
Sacks = 7
Ints = 0
FF/FR = 2/0
TDs = 0
Pass Def = 3
Lofa Tatupu
Tackles = 81
Sacks = 3.5
Ints = 1
FF/FR = 0/0
TDs = 0
Pass Def = 1
DeMarcus Ware
Tackles = 36
Sacks = 4
Ints = 0
FF/FR = 0/0
TDs = 0
Pass Def = 1
Derrick Johnson
Tackles = 68
Sacks = 1
Ints = 0
FF/FR = 2/1
TDs = 0
Pass Def = 4
Darrent Williams
Tackles = 46
Sacks = 1
Ints = 1
FF/FR = 1/1
TDs = 1
Pass Def = 7
Thurman and Johnson are very similar, except for Thurman's 4 INTs. Tatupu has more tackles but fewer TOs created. Merriman and Ware are very similar, much fewer tackles than the others but more sacks. Williams is the only non-LB, so he is tough to compare based on stats.
since about week 2 or 3Kyle Orton and Odell Thurmann
edit -- just remembered Demarcus Ware -- from what little I have seen of him he's been a monster too. Has he been solid all year or just the occasional highlight reel?
perfect night and time to "put on a show" last night. I wish we could poll voters. I bet he landed a good amount last night. Thurman, DJ, etc are going to have to have an especially good game now to sway things back their way. I think last night was huge for Lofa.Lofa Tatupu stealing votes...