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Roy Williams..most over-rated defensive player? (1 Viewer)
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giantdogs92
Footballguy
I love when shockey throws a little head fake and just runs by him, he needs to learn how to cover.
Yenrub
Footballguy
I agree that Roy is overrated but on the long touchdown to Stevens, they Cowboys were beat by formation more than Roy being slow.
At the beginning of the play Mo Morris was the single back in the backfield with Stevens and a WR lined up to Hasselbeck’s right. It looked like the coverage was designed to have the LB cover Stevens underneath, and the corner to take the WR underneath as well. Williams was playing deep safety over the top.
Before the snap Morris left the backfield and went to the right side of the formation outside of the WR. Seattle overloaded the right side.
The corner had to cover Morris and Roy was left with WR and the LB with Stevens. The WR occupied Roy long enough for Hasselbeck to hit Stevens before Roy could get there. I think Hasslebeck mentioned something about the WR holding the safety in his post game interview.
Now on Stevens 1st TD it look like Roy got beat like a drum which most decent TE’s do to him.
At the beginning of the play Mo Morris was the single back in the backfield with Stevens and a WR lined up to Hasselbeck’s right. It looked like the coverage was designed to have the LB cover Stevens underneath, and the corner to take the WR underneath as well. Williams was playing deep safety over the top.
Before the snap Morris left the backfield and went to the right side of the formation outside of the WR. Seattle overloaded the right side.
The corner had to cover Morris and Roy was left with WR and the LB with Stevens. The WR occupied Roy long enough for Hasselbeck to hit Stevens before Roy could get there. I think Hasslebeck mentioned something about the WR holding the safety in his post game interview.
Now on Stevens 1st TD it look like Roy got beat like a drum which most decent TE’s do to him.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
On Stevens second touchdown, Roy did all he could. Hasselbeck explained it and so does video if you care to watch carefully. Burleson smokes Glenn before Stevens beats James. Roy had to cover Burleson and he did, then as soon as the ball went to Stevens he went after it and it looked like he got roasted again, but that one isn't on him. No safety in the league could have covered both wide open players headed for the endzone. Stevens first touchdown highlights Roys terrible inability to play man coverage.
cowboyz
Footballguy
they're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. you do that with any player and they will get abused.
roy williams isn't a coverage safety. but since they have no one else, he's placed there.
he's there to create turnovers, stop the run, and cause fear. not cover guys one on one. or have to decide between covering a wr or te.
i thought the cowboys were doing good playing their cbs one on one. but on that last td to stevens they did the same thing that's been letting them get burned all year play cover 2, allow bradie james to play the mlb and cover the TE with roy having to decide between the wr and te.
roy williams isn't a coverage safety. but since they have no one else, he's placed there.
he's there to create turnovers, stop the run, and cause fear. not cover guys one on one. or have to decide between covering a wr or te.
i thought the cowboys were doing good playing their cbs one on one. but on that last td to stevens they did the same thing that's been letting them get burned all year play cover 2, allow bradie james to play the mlb and cover the TE with roy having to decide between the wr and te.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
It's not fair to name the Horse Collar after him. You'd be dragging people down from behind when everybody gets past you too.
giantdogs92
Footballguy
^But Sean Taylor is actually fast enough to play safety and cover one on one, Taylor also plays the ball better than Roy does, the only thing that Roy has over Taylor is that Sean seems like he is as dumb as a rock.
I don't know, I take Shawn Taylor over Roy all day long. Taylor is a play maker, and a huge hitter. Force Fumbles, INTs, fumble recoveries. A good Dallas/Skins example, Taylor recovered I believe it was a fumble, and instead of running out of bounds he manages to gain 20 yards, 15 yd penalty, then kick the FG to win it. He's just a big play waiting to happen.Roy is just overrated. Every time I watch Taylor, I think "Man this guy is good". And I hate the Foreskins on principle.
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
As I die hard Skins Fan, Taylor is VERY OVERRATED!!!!! Worries to much about making a big hit, never wraps his arms, and cant tell ya how many tackels I have seen him miss!!!!! 
Traders2001
Footballguy
SO why is he going to the pro bowl !!!
msommer
Footballguy
Because the pro bowl is a popularity contest
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I'd vote him 2nd behind Strahan
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The Cowboys would be better served by getting a real safety and moving Williams to LB.
timintey
Footballguy
I think Runyan would disagree with you. Strahan has owned him throughout his career. Runyan would have never pulled that cr@p yesterday had Strahan been playing/abusing him.
Volleydog
Footballguy
Taylor is better than Williams. He can run AND stay with a pass route. Williams ... who knows what he does in pass coverage.
Here's the problem with Williams. He's gotten himself a name (hence the overrated part), and gets to the Pro Bowl on that misguided reputation. Everyone knows the Pro Bowl balloting is a sham. Many players cast their votes based on what will help out their buddies (either get them in, or not voting for a competitor). Many fans aren't knowledgeable enough to be able to understand the difference between a defensive player with a good name, who occasionally makes highlight reel plays, and a player who is just bad over 50% of the time.
Then it comes time to vote for the Hall of Fame. What's one of the things you hear the writers talk about? How many Pro Bowls a player did (or did not) make. For all the good things the NFL has done, they need to figure out a way to make the Pro Bowl more credible, and keep players like Williams at home.
Here's the problem with Williams. He's gotten himself a name (hence the overrated part), and gets to the Pro Bowl on that misguided reputation. Everyone knows the Pro Bowl balloting is a sham. Many players cast their votes based on what will help out their buddies (either get them in, or not voting for a competitor). Many fans aren't knowledgeable enough to be able to understand the difference between a defensive player with a good name, who occasionally makes highlight reel plays, and a player who is just bad over 50% of the time.
Then it comes time to vote for the Hall of Fame. What's one of the things you hear the writers talk about? How many Pro Bowls a player did (or did not) make. For all the good things the NFL has done, they need to figure out a way to make the Pro Bowl more credible, and keep players like Williams at home.
if he wasn't, then how could he be overrated?
The Giants I believe have 1 win when Strahan doesn't play (somewhere around 10 missed games in his career).With him, they are well above .500
ETA: 3-11 Without Strahan since 1996 when he became a full-time starter.
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oukurt
Footballguy
TrueI think he is a bit overrated, but I think most people here don't know the true role of a SS. They see a deep ball against the Dallas D and assume it is Roy's fault everytime. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Dallas try him out at OLB because there is no better safety in the league in run support.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I agree! Woody had the ability to cover Roys mistakes.
oukurt
Footballguy
Something tells me you think every deep ball that goes for a score against Dallas is Roy's fault. Dallas still has many areas to address on D. If the boys up front can't get any heat on the opposing QB then no secondary is going to do well. That is just how it works.
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oukurt
Footballguy
I won't disagree with you too much here. I just think he gets blamed for some deep balls that he has no business being blamed for. I will agree that he is not deserving of a pro bowl this year.
freeannyong
Footballguy
seems?? More like is. He couldn't even recite the ABC's in 2005.
kellumsboys
Footballguy
here is a coment posted by Weiner Dog in another forum on a related topic.
I think this applies very well.
"The NFL is changing. "In-the-box" guys like Roy Williams, Michael Lewis and <gulp> Adam Archuleta are becoming dinosaurs.
Why?
Teams are throwing more and defenses are putting more LB's on the field (ie. more 3-4). Therefore, the desired physical presence of a hard-hitting SS is being replaced with an extra LB (...who weighs 240lbs+ and has the ability to cover RB's and TE's)."
I think this applies very well.
"The NFL is changing. "In-the-box" guys like Roy Williams, Michael Lewis and <gulp> Adam Archuleta are becoming dinosaurs.
Why?
Teams are throwing more and defenses are putting more LB's on the field (ie. more 3-4). Therefore, the desired physical presence of a hard-hitting SS is being replaced with an extra LB (...who weighs 240lbs+ and has the ability to cover RB's and TE's)."
