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Roy Williams whats the deal with this guy? (1 Viewer)
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PantherPower
Footballguy
1. He sucks
2. Dallas sucks
3. See #1
2. Dallas sucks
3. See #1
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
He's hurt. There's been issues with him and Romo getting on the same page since camp. A more explosive receiver has emerged there. And while I just defended his talent in the Dallas thread, you are over estimating it quite a bit here. That Randy Moss guy might be a little more talented. He'll have some nice moments this season as defenses turn their attention to Austin, but they could be a few weeks away yet.
quickhands
Footballguy
Roy has a problem with running correct routes.
gonzobill5
Footballguy
I think there are dozens of WRs with more talent. He simply isn't that good and never has been.
There's a couple of issues that I'm noticing..
1.) Him and Romo really just can't get on the same page. Even on some of the easier routes that should have been easy completions, the ball just wasn't [or Roy wasn't] where it was supposed to be. Romo was deadly accurate yesterday, other than a few of the throws to Roy, so this tells me they're just not understanding what the other is thinking.
2.) While talented, he's lazy in his route running. He's a primadonna and he was noticeably mailing it in on a few routes yesterday.
3.) He dropped at least 2 balls yesterday. He's known for his hands, but yesterday he dropped a few that most people on this forum would've caught.
Roy did take accountability after the game, saying it was the worst game he's played in his life, and saying that they had a great team that won in spite of him, so that's a positive sign. I was expecting more of a "me" attitude from him.
I'd expect a slight improvement from him, especially now that Miles Austin should start demanding more attention, but I don't think he'll ever be much better than a low WR2, and that may be optimistic in itself. There are so many options in this offense that I don't think there's opportunity for him to live up to his ADP, and he's just not that good. His entire reputation is built on his college career and a great year in Mike Martz's offense. He's really quite average. Another boneheaded trade by Jerry.
1.) Him and Romo really just can't get on the same page. Even on some of the easier routes that should have been easy completions, the ball just wasn't [or Roy wasn't] where it was supposed to be. Romo was deadly accurate yesterday, other than a few of the throws to Roy, so this tells me they're just not understanding what the other is thinking.
2.) While talented, he's lazy in his route running. He's a primadonna and he was noticeably mailing it in on a few routes yesterday.
3.) He dropped at least 2 balls yesterday. He's known for his hands, but yesterday he dropped a few that most people on this forum would've caught.
Roy did take accountability after the game, saying it was the worst game he's played in his life, and saying that they had a great team that won in spite of him, so that's a positive sign. I was expecting more of a "me" attitude from him.
I'd expect a slight improvement from him, especially now that Miles Austin should start demanding more attention, but I don't think he'll ever be much better than a low WR2, and that may be optimistic in itself. There are so many options in this offense that I don't think there's opportunity for him to live up to his ADP, and he's just not that good. His entire reputation is built on his college career and a great year in Mike Martz's offense. He's really quite average. Another boneheaded trade by Jerry.
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theplayer11
Footballguy
i'm dropping him this week
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, I think I agree with this.I also think he isn't the same guy that came out of Texas. Or maybe he never had the talent to match the rep of the guy that was at Texas. But his physical abilities are middle-of-the-pack now.Heck, relatively speaking, I think he is slow.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
In 15 games in Dallas, Williams has produced a paltry 31-428-2. I would have to conclude that he hasn't clicked with the Cowboys for whatever reason.
By comparison, Miles Austin has had 16-421-4 in the last 2 games.
By comparison, Miles Austin has had 16-421-4 in the last 2 games.
Ugh, that really puts it in perspective.Great trade and subsequent (huge!) contract extension Jerry
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
He's the 3rd best WR on that team at best. He doesn't like contact, and he's proven to be soft throughout his career. He's probably the most overrated WR in the NFL since he came into the league.
One can also argue that Jerry Jones is a genius for drafting and developing Miles Austin...*shrugs*Ugh, that really puts it in perspective.Great trade and subsequent (huge!) contract extension Jerry
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
One catch in 5 targets yesterday. Of course that's not the only issue this guy has.
Miles Austin is one of Parcell's guys. He has love for Jersey guys, don't ask me why but he does. JJ is no genius when it comes to football.One can also argue that Jerry Jones is a genius for drafting and developing Miles Austin...*shrugs*Ugh, that really puts it in perspective.Great trade and subsequent (huge!) contract extension Jerry
I didn't say he was a bad GM, just said the trade was stupid, like most trades Jerry initiates.The late round drafting and UDFA pick ups over the last 10 years have been great, though I'd say most of that credit goes to Parcells. Specifically in Austin's case, he's from Jersey, so that has Parcells written all over it.One can also argue that Jerry Jones is a genius for drafting and developing Miles Austin...*shrugs*Ugh, that really puts it in perspective.Great trade and subsequent (huge!) contract extension Jerry
FavreCo
Footballguy
Gotta go with this one among his other flaws. Seems to just laugh when he drops a catchable pass. Like it's no big deal and he gets paid regardless. Has potential talent, doesn't seem to care about beign the best.Off the mark passes by Romo seem to go in his direction and on the mark ones were going at Austin, Crayton and Witten. Odds favor he is not where Romo thinks he should be.Basically, he sucks as posted.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
No no no. Parcells and JJ handpicked Hurd from that UDFA pool in 06. When asked about Austin shortly after the UDFA signings they both talked up Hurd who they had personally scouted and expected to make the team. Austin was invited to San Diego and Dallas but in both cases he was viewed as a training camp body that likely wouldn't make the teams. He had some fans in the Charger's organization, but felt the opportunity was better (or more exciting) in Dallas for some reason. But credit cannot go to JJ or Parcells. Some unknown scout on the staff had to convince them to extend the invite. Hurd was their boy.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Your assessment of his talent sucks. That is what is wrong here. Go look at his #s.... he is just another Deion Branch. He has had one semi-good year and that was with Martz throwing the ball every down. Quit over-hyping him and you will be fine.
Carver Lee
Footballguy
He wears his pants too high..
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Roy, last 14 games for Detroit: 108 targets, 60 receptions (55.6%), 710 yards
Roy, last 14 games for Dallas: 72 targets, 31 receptions (43.1%), 428 yards
Not only are his targets way down, but he can't seem to catch the ball either. He's just been a complete dud.
Roy, last 14 games for Dallas: 72 targets, 31 receptions (43.1%), 428 yards
Not only are his targets way down, but he can't seem to catch the ball either. He's just been a complete dud.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
While I don't think Roy is a "#1" WR, he's also not as bad as his numbers have been since coming to Dallas. He was hurt all last year. He played hurt yesterday.
Coming out of Texas and in his early years in Detroit, I always was impressed by his speed. He looked so smooth and graceful. Since his time in Dallas, that speed hasnt been apparent. He's been slow. I do see the gracefulness on occasions, but not near to the degree.
He and Romo are still clearly working on getting in sync. In contrast, Romo and all the other receivers (and Witten) have been together at least 4 years.
I think better days are ahead of him in Dallas. But even so, I would not expect more than 65 catches a year from him.
Coming out of Texas and in his early years in Detroit, I always was impressed by his speed. He looked so smooth and graceful. Since his time in Dallas, that speed hasnt been apparent. He's been slow. I do see the gracefulness on occasions, but not near to the degree.
He and Romo are still clearly working on getting in sync. In contrast, Romo and all the other receivers (and Witten) have been together at least 4 years.
I think better days are ahead of him in Dallas. But even so, I would not expect more than 65 catches a year from him.
Bermuda_Chub
Footballguy
Roy E. Munson.
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
I think his blocking disproves this theory.Obviously they paid way too much for him. He's never recovered from his injury in Detroit, and that's where his speed went. I think he is a hell of a blocker, but so was Freddy Mitchell. I think he will turn around and be a serviceable player in the future, but never live up to the hype.I'm just glad he hasn't acted like a premadonna like most WR's are.Hoss_Cartwright said:
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The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
He thinks he's better than he actually is and acts accordingly, with the full arsenal of a prima donna receiver - lazy routes, bad drops, pouting when not getting the ball.
billjohnson
Footballguy
In that case, I'm assuming you're having trouble thinking of other players in the league.....cause Roy isn't that talented. You simply can't be slow AND run sloppy routes....NorrisB said:
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