Roy Williams WR 34? (1 Viewer)

[mulliganman]

How can Williams be projected so low? Is it just because of the injury he suffered in preseason? He's at the top of the wr depth chart for dallas. Unless, Romo is expected to tank this season I don't see how Williams can be ranked so low.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Talk around Texas is he has just looked atrocious in preseason, especially in practice. For a guy who has never been able to get separation he's tough to like, but he still is a good red zone target.

 

[LHUCKS]

Guy is overrated...period. He's ranked about where he should be.

 

[G-Money]

Maybe because he's simply not that good??

 

[Bankerguy]

Talk around Texas is he has just looked atrocious in preseason, especially in practice. For a guy who has never been able to get separation he's tough to like, but he still is a good red zone target.

While I am NOT high on Williams at all. He looked not bad in the games and showed improved timing with Romo. In practice, he had some struggles and has never been known as a great practice guy. I think there is some value here, but he's not really on my radar unless he totally plummets.

 

[Manster]

he should be able to have some value ranked at #34. he might sniff the top 20.

 

[PR Sparty]

He sucks. scared to go over the middle, alligator arms, not tuff

 

[JohnnyU]

Glad I cleansed myself from him 2 years ago. As soon as I traded him in all leagues I took a long hot shower and felt new life enter my body.

 

[Jason Wood]

How can Williams be projected so low? Is it just because of the injury he suffered in preseason? He's at the top of the wr depth chart for dallas. Unless, Romo is expected to tank this season I don't see how Williams can be ranked so low.

I've seen a few people argue Williams offers "value" at WR34. Thing is, that's where we project him, but it's not where he's being drafted. He's going WR17 and 48th overall, meaning you have to spend a 4th or 5th round pick on him. To me, there's ZERO value in him at that ADP. This is a guy who caught 19 balls in 10 games in Dallas last year. On a bad Detroit team he scored 28 TDs in his first 54 games, so the guy can find the end zone, but I'm not sure he can do much more. Would it shock me if he finishes at the tail end of the Top 20? No, but I'm not advocating drafting him there, nor am I projecting him that high.Jerry Jones already gave the guy the carrot before he had to run a race.

 

[the spanker]

Bump up Crayton then?

 

[Cripster]

34 is accurate until he shows another gear. Whitten and the RB's may be ahead of him in the pecking order. He may score some TD's though.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

He's Lee Evans with more publicity. Will have a spectacular game or two and some long TDs, and a bunch of games where he's a nonfactor. I have no interest in getting anyone like that in the 4th or 5th round.

 

[SuperTed]

He's Lee Evans with more publicity. Will have a spectacular game or two and some long TDs, and a bunch of games where he's a nonfactor. I have no interest in getting anyone like that in the 4th or 5th round.

Agreed. I would only draft him if I saw him in the 8th or 9th round. He's too risky.

 

[aburt19]

How can Williams be projected so low? Is it just because of the injury he suffered in preseason? He's at the top of the wr depth chart for dallas. Unless, Romo is expected to tank this season I don't see how Williams can be ranked so low.

As a former Roy Williams owner, he's overrated at #34 (not that I'm bitter or anything ).

 

[Kenny Powers]

He goes way before I even think about drafting him in every draft Ive been in. Usually WR20, give or take a few picks. Id much rather have Desean Jackson, Anthony Gonzalez, Hines Ward, etc around there than Roy-W

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Williams was 24th, 20th, 13th and 19th in fantasy points per game in his first 4 seasons. And that's with some of the worst quarterbacks in the league throwing him the ball. He's been able to produce in the past -- why wouldn't he be able to produce in the future? It seems like people are putting more stock in his poor performance in 2008 (when he didn't have time to get to know his team or the playbook) than his performance from 2004-2007.

Now that he's had a full training camp to get acquainted with the playbook, he should be able to put up stats approaching his Detroit numbers. Right? If not, please explain why? He had the same alligator arms in Detroit when he was a top-20 WR.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

He's Lee Evans with more publicity. Will have a spectacular game or two and some long TDs, and a bunch of games where he's a nonfactor. I have no interest in getting anyone like that in the 4th or 5th round.

Evans is actually a very, very talented WR - Michael Lombardi from the NFP told us that defensive coordinators would put him in the top 10 WRs in the league. He has been held down because of lack of a supporting cast to take attention away from him. The Evans/Williams comparison here has to be based on stats, not how they actually play.

 

[gianmarco]

He's Lee Evans with more publicity. Will have a spectacular game or two and some long TDs, and a bunch of games where he's a nonfactor. I have no interest in getting anyone like that in the 4th or 5th round.

Evans is actually a very, very talented WR - Michael Lombardi from the NFP told us that defensive coordinators would put him in the top 10 WRs in the league. He has been held down because of lack of a supporting cast to take attention away from him. The Evans/Williams comparison here has to be based on stats, not how they actually play.

Not only lack of supporting cast but atrocious play calling. The guy was only targeted 102 times last year. Simply unacceptable. A shame he's stuck in Buffalo.

 

[Mustang Man]

Seems most of these posts think Roy is going to tank or is not going to have a good year. Barring an injury the guy will catch 70+ 1000+ and 7+. Maybe I am wrong but I think he has a good year.

 

[Battles]

Williams was 24th, 20th, 13th and 19th in fantasy points per game in his first 4 seasons. And that's with some of the worst quarterbacks in the league throwing him the ball. He's been able to produce in the past -- why wouldn't he be able to produce in the future? It seems like people are putting more stock in his poor performance in 2008 (when he didn't have time to get to know his team or the playbook) than his performance from 2004-2007.Now that he's had a full training camp to get acquainted with the playbook, he should be able to put up stats approaching his Detroit numbers. Right? If not, please explain why? He had the same alligator arms in Detroit when he was a top-20 WR.

The reason why is opportunity. Detroit was awful, had an atrocious running game, and was always behind. Sadly he was the best option on the team and got fed. That's not going to be the case in Dallas where he's at best option 3 in the offense.

 

[grateful zed]

he will never ammount to anything.

 

[TwinTurbo]

He's Lee Evans with more publicity. Will have a spectacular game or two and some long TDs, and a bunch of games where he's a nonfactor. I have no interest in getting anyone like that in the 4th or 5th round.

But at least Lee Evans still has game changing speed, good hands, and gives 100%. Roy doesn't. Evans disappears at times due to being trapped in the offensive wasteland of Buffalo. Roy only has himself to blame. Plus you can draft Evans 2 rounds later.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Williams was 24th, 20th, 13th and 19th in fantasy points per game in his first 4 seasons. And that's with some of the worst quarterbacks in the league throwing him the ball. He's been able to produce in the past -- why wouldn't he be able to produce in the future? It seems like people are putting more stock in his poor performance in 2008 (when he didn't have time to get to know his team or the playbook) than his performance from 2004-2007.Now that he's had a full training camp to get acquainted with the playbook, he should be able to put up stats approaching his Detroit numbers. Right? If not, please explain why? He had the same alligator arms in Detroit when he was a top-20 WR.

The reason why is opportunity. Detroit was awful, had an atrocious running game, and was always behind. Sadly he was the best option on the team and got fed. That's not going to be the case in Dallas where he's at best option 3 in the offense.

In Williams' first 2 seasons in Detroit, the Lions averaged 7.7 passes per game to WRs. Last year Romo averaged 8.8 passes per game to WRs. So the opportunities are out there.In fact, when Detroit really started to air it out in 2007 (with 16 passes per game to WRs), they spread the ball around quite a bit with 4 receivers catching at least 48 passes. So the notion that Williams was "fed" is a bit of an exaggeration.

 

[duece2626]

Maybe because he's simply not that good??

 

[duece2626]

He's Lee Evans with more publicity. Will have a spectacular game or two and some long TDs, and a bunch of games where he's a nonfactor. I have no interest in getting anyone like that in the 4th or 5th round.

I actually have a bet with a guy in my one league that Evans outscores Roy. I'm feeling pretty good about this.

 

[pesh]

34 is accurate until he shows another gear. Whitten and the RB's may be ahead of him in the pecking order. He may score some TD's though.

Good point here, and I'd rather have someone like Lee Evans. Williams isn't bad, I just think that 34th spot isn't a bad choice.

 

[Kenny Powers]

34 is accurate until he shows another gear. Whitten and the RB's may be ahead of him in the pecking order. He may score some TD's though.

Good point here, and I'd rather have someone like Lee Evans. Williams isn't bad, I just think that 34th spot isn't a bad choice.

Except based on his name, and team/QB, he goes at least 10 spots ahead of WR34

 

[jojoh07]

Ughhh watching this guy in a cowboys uniform , I say 34 is darn generous . He simply is not very good.

 

[baconisgood]

Williams was 24th, 20th, 13th and 19th in fantasy points per game in his first 4 seasons. And that's with some of the worst quarterbacks in the league throwing him the ball. He's been able to produce in the past -- why wouldn't he be able to produce in the future? It seems like people are putting more stock in his poor performance in 2008 (when he didn't have time to get to know his team or the playbook) than his performance from 2004-2007.Now that he's had a full training camp to get acquainted with the playbook, he should be able to put up stats approaching his Detroit numbers. Right? If not, please explain why? He had the same alligator arms in Detroit when he was a top-20 WR.

The reason why is opportunity. Detroit was awful, had an atrocious running game, and was always behind. Sadly he was the best option on the team and got fed. That's not going to be the case in Dallas where he's at best option 3 in the offense.

In Williams' first 2 seasons in Detroit, the Lions averaged 7.7 passes per game to WRs. Last year Romo averaged 8.8 passes per game to WRs. So the opportunities are out there.In fact, when Detroit really started to air it out in 2007 (with 16 passes per game to WRs), they spread the ball around quite a bit with 4 receivers catching at least 48 passes. So the notion that Williams was "fed" is a bit of an exaggeration.

Williams had 114, 94, 153 and 104 targets in Detroit (not counting 2008)- that was in 14, 13, 16, and 12 games (him missing games has also hurt his ADP)- thats 130, 115, 153 and 138 targets over 16 games. That is plenty of targets to do something with.