Roy Williams. (1 Viewer)

[comfortably numb]

The last few years, Roy Williams seems to be drafted anywhere from WR 4-10.

Usually when you draft a WR in that range, he is your #1.

Looking at the numbers...

4 seasons

14/games 54 817 15.1 8 29Rank

13/games 45 687 15.3 8 30Rank

16/games 82 1310 16.0 7 10Rank

12/games 63 836 13.3 5 33Rank

Lets focus on last 3 years where he began getting drafted pretty high after his rookie year.

Most common thought was/is

-Awesome Talent

-Great upside

-Martz system

-Great talent around him

-Team sucks they will throw alot

So when having taken Roy as your top WR, facts:

played all 16 games only once

1000 + yards once

10+ TD's never

Top 10 season once

I guess you can argue he has never been fully healthy.

If that is the case, does that warrant him being taken in the top 10?

I never seem to hear he is injury prone. Like other players who in 4 years have only played 16 games once.

I have seen people claim SSMith and Chad Johnson types are overrated because of 1 great season or all points come in 3 games, but at least they have finished in the top 5. When you draft Roy, aren't you hoping for a possible top 5 year??

Will he be taken in the top 10WR of your draft?

Should he?

 

[gianmarco]

Here:

Recent thread on this by me just 2 weeks ago

 

[brock]

pretty much

 

[FavreCo]

Lions down by 17, Williams catches a 7 yard pass, 1ST DOWN CELEBRATION!!!!! Back to losing.

 

[greggorymac]

Lions down by 17, Williams catches a 7 yard pass, 1ST DOWN CELEBRATION!!!!! Back to losing.

Javon Walker also comes to mind.

 

[FavreCo]

Lions down by 17, Williams catches a 7 yard pass, 1ST DOWN CELEBRATION!!!!! Back to losing.

Javon Walker also comes to mind.

Who? That bum will be on a new team next year when he has yet another crappy season.

 

[Zoomanji]

Lions down by 17, Williams catches a 7 yard pass, 1ST DOWN CELEBRATION!!!!! Back to losing.

Javon Walker also comes to mind.

Lee Evans

 

[greggorymac]

Lions down by 17, Williams catches a 7 yard pass, 1ST DOWN CELEBRATION!!!!! Back to losing.

Javon Walker also comes to mind.

Lee Evans

Ding, Ding, Ding... I think we have our winner. Lee Evans is by far the most overhyped.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Lions down by 17, Williams catches a 7 yard pass, 1ST DOWN CELEBRATION!!!!! Back to losing.

Javon Walker also comes to mind.

Lee Evans

Andre Johnson can join that club too...

 

[Zoomanji]

Andre Johnson can join that club too...

Really?GP Recpt YDS AVE LNG TDs

2007 Houston Texans 9 60 851 14.2 77T 8

2006 Houston Texans 16 103 1,147 11.1 53 5

Stats

What exactly do you want him to do?

 

[Sweet Love]

In a Keep 3 last year, I had to decide whether to trade him or Fitz to cut down my roster. I was very torn since I think RW has the potential to be almost as good as Fitz and he was coming off the great year in 2006, while Fitz spent time hurt in 2006. I decided to keep Fitz based on his supporting cast, but that is about it. I think Roy could be very good in the right situation and may turn out to be one of those guys that cracks the top 10-15, but only if he has another WR 1 by his side. Calvin Johnson certainly could be that guy, but if he does not hit his stride next year, it could be more mediocre numbers for RW.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Andre Johnson can join that club too...

Really?GP Recpt YDS AVE LNG TDs

2007 Houston Texans 9 60 851 14.2 77T 8

2006 Houston Texans 16 103 1,147 11.1 53 5

Stats

What exactly do you want him to do?

I didn't say he sucked; I said he was overrated. Personally, I don't consider WRs with TD totals of 4, 6, 2, 5 and 8 elite. But that's where he's constantly ranked by fantasy players.

That being said, I'd still love to own his overrated ###.

 

[travdogg]

Andre Johnson can join that club too...

Really?GP Recpt YDS AVE LNG TDs

2007 Houston Texans 9 60 851 14.2 77T 8

2006 Houston Texans 16 103 1,147 11.1 53 5

Stats

What exactly do you want him to do?

I'd like to see him have a top-10 season for one thing. In non-ppr leagues he's never had a top-10 year. Roy has, Evans has, hell Chris Chambers has.Yet despite that, I've seen rankings where he is 3rd, ahead of guys like Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith and Braylon Edwards. I really don't get it. I can see him being ranked about 6-7 but not in any top-3.

 

[gianmarco]

Andre Johnson can join that club too...

Really?GP Recpt YDS AVE LNG TDs

2007 Houston Texans 9 60 851 14.2 77T 8

2006 Houston Texans 16 103 1,147 11.1 53 5

Stats

What exactly do you want him to do?

I'd like to see him have a top-10 season for one thing. In non-ppr leagues he's never had a top-10 year. Roy has, Evans has, hell Chris Chambers has.Yet despite that, I've seen rankings where he is 3rd, ahead of guys like Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith and Braylon Edwards. I really don't get it. I can see him being ranked about 6-7 but not in any top-3.

This is the only thing that explains it and why I have him at #3 as well.Last year was the first time in his career that he had a real QB throwing him the ball. Carr was just about as bad as they come and the fact AJ did what he did is amazing. We all saw what Carr did to Steve Smith last year.

So, knowing the talent he flashed and finally putting it to use with a QB that could get him the ball, he was a monster last year until he got hurt. Even missing almost half the season, he put up 60/851/8 in only 9 games.

Because of his age, talent, and finally having a QB, this is why he's ranked as high. There's something to be said with actually producing, but there are very real reasons why he hasn't reached his full potential and there's reasons to believe he finally will. He was doing so last year and was only held back by injury.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Roy & Evans are very overrated... both had very good rookie season and then faded away. I have never once owned these guys in any serious league, someone always takes them before I'm ready.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Andre Johnson can join that club too...

Really?GP Recpt YDS AVE LNG TDs

2007 Houston Texans 9 60 851 14.2 77T 8

2006 Houston Texans 16 103 1,147 11.1 53 5

Stats

What exactly do you want him to do?

The only knock I have w/ AJ is his injury history... which again, will mean someone will take him before I do. I would say hes WR 4 or 5 for me. Wayne / Randy / Fitz / Colston / then AJ

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I wouldn't take Roy as a top 10 WR, but he's not even the most overhyped WR on his team. At least he had the one great season.

 

[RBM]

Most frustrating guy Ive had on my team the last 4 yrs. Typical inconsistent wr. Probably wont change

 

[travdogg]

Roy & Evans are very overrated... both had very good rookie season and then faded away. I have never once owned these guys in any serious league, someone always takes them before I'm ready.

Um...neither Roy nor Evans best seasons came as rookies. They were both top 10 WR's in 2006.

 

[comfortably numb]

I wouldn't take Roy as a top 10 WR, but he's not even the most overhyped WR on his team. At least he had the one great season.

Calvin gets alot of hype, but 1 year, give it more than a few minutes.

 

[comfortably numb]

I can understand the Evans over rated sentiments, but I personally would never take him as my WR1.

But yes, generally I would say he has disappointed, based on where most people take him.

 

[comfortably numb]

Here:

Recent thread on this by me just 2 weeks ago

Thanks, I searched around but got nothing.

Mods, feel free to merge?

 

[Sopranos]

Short answer, yes.

 

[ffwebster]

You know who has been more productive over the last 4 years than Roy Williams? Chris freakin' Chambers.. More productive, there is no way I would take Roy where he usually gets drafted. All sizzle, no steak... Chris freakin' Chambers for goodness sake!

 

[BigJim®]

Great buy low heading into a contract season.

 

[gianmarco]

Great buy low heading into a contract season.

Unfortunately probably a great produce low too.And, he's not a buy low. Just went #12 WR in a startup draft. Value still as high as ever.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Great buy low heading into a contract season.

Unfortunately probably a great produce low too.And, he's not a buy low. Just went #12 WR in a startup draft. Value still as high as ever.

Can u list the WR who went ahead of him

 

[KellysHeroes]

You know who has been more productive over the last 4 years than Roy Williams? Chris freakin' Chambers.. More productive, there is no way I would take Roy where he usually gets drafted. All sizzle, no steak... Chris freakin' Chambers for goodness sake!

Yeap.. I never had the pleasure of dealing w/ him.

 

[AllVolUT]

Andre Johnson can join that club too...

Really?GP Recpt YDS AVE LNG TDs

2007 Houston Texans 9 60 851 14.2 77T 8

2006 Houston Texans 16 103 1,147 11.1 53 5

Stats

What exactly do you want him to do?

I'd like to see him have a top-10 season for one thing. In non-ppr leagues he's never had a top-10 year. Roy has, Evans has, hell Chris Chambers has.Yet despite that, I've seen rankings where he is 3rd, ahead of guys like Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith and Braylon Edwards. I really don't get it. I can see him being ranked about 6-7 but not in any top-3.

This is the only thing that explains it and why I have him at #3 as well.Last year was the first time in his career that he had a real QB throwing him the ball. Carr was just about as bad as they come and the fact AJ did what he did is amazing. We all saw what Carr did to Steve Smith last year.

So, knowing the talent he flashed and finally putting it to use with a QB that could get him the ball, he was a monster last year until he got hurt. Even missing almost half the season, he put up 60/851/8 in only 9 games.

Because of his age, talent, and finally having a QB, this is why he's ranked as high. There's something to be said with actually producing, but there are very real reasons why he hasn't reached his full potential and there's reasons to believe he finally will. He was doing so last year and was only held back by injury.

Very IMO. Having AJ ranked outside the top 5 WR this yr is a mistake - especially since one will probably be able to grab him in the 7-8WR slot in redrafts.

 

[gianmarco]

Great buy low heading into a contract season.

Unfortunately probably a great produce low too.And, he's not a buy low. Just went #12 WR in a startup draft. Value still as high as ever.

Can u list the WR who went ahead of him

FitzAJWayneEdwardsMossCJ2ColstonS. SmithMarshallBoldinBoweRoyIn that order.

 

[travdogg]

Great buy low heading into a contract season.

Unfortunately probably a great produce low too.And, he's not a buy low. Just went #12 WR in a startup draft. Value still as high as ever.

Can u list the WR who went ahead of him

FitzAJWayneEdwardsMossCJ2ColstonS. SmithMarshallBoldinBoweRoyIn that order.

Wow, Bowe sure went higher than I would have guessed.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

OP: A couple years ago I said I'd take Owens over Williams in dynasty and people laughed. I suppose TO's 28 TD's is just hindsight, but you get the drift.

It's clear that the vast majority of people here think he is not overrated at all.

 

[Buckna]

Andre Johnson can join that club too...

Really?GP Recpt YDS AVE LNG TDs

2007 Houston Texans 9 60 851 14.2 77T 8

2006 Houston Texans 16 103 1,147 11.1 53 5

Stats

What exactly do you want him to do?

I'd like to see him have a top-10 season for one thing. In non-ppr leagues he's never had a top-10 year. Roy has, Evans has, hell Chris Chambers has.Yet despite that, I've seen rankings where he is 3rd, ahead of guys like Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith and Braylon Edwards. I really don't get it. I can see him being ranked about 6-7 but not in any top-3.

This is the only thing that explains it and why I have him at #3 as well.Last year was the first time in his career that he had a real QB throwing him the ball. Carr was just about as bad as they come and the fact AJ did what he did is amazing. We all saw what Carr did to Steve Smith last year.

So, knowing the talent he flashed and finally putting it to use with a QB that could get him the ball, he was a monster last year until he got hurt. Even missing almost half the season, he put up 60/851/8 in only 9 games.

Because of his age, talent, and finally having a QB, this is why he's ranked as high. There's something to be said with actually producing, but there are very real reasons why he hasn't reached his full potential and there's reasons to believe he finally will. He was doing so last year and was only held back by injury.

Very IMO. Having AJ ranked outside the top 5 WR this yr is a mistake - especially since one will probably be able to grab him in the 7-8WR slot in redrafts.

AJ may be slightly overrated this year, but we'll have to see. Very few people have considered him elite until this season. Last year his ADP was WR14. He ended up WR22 while only playing 9 games! If you picked up Andre Davis during the games AJ was out you had the #3 WR for the year (almost #2 by less than a point!)

 

[Riffraff]

Alluded to this in a thread of sell highs back in January:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=8019654

It's amazing how much a guy like Roy pulls in.

For reference the last 4 years (since Roy entered the league):

Roy Williams - always called a stud

3652 yards, 28 TDs

Cost = an arm and a leg

Compared to a guy like Chambers (over the same timespan):

Chris Chambers - always called a turd

3663 yards, 26 TDs (not counting about 200 more yards rushing)

Cost = cold pizza and a warm beer

Name value is $$$.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Can u list the WR who went ahead of him

FitzAJ

Wayne

Edwards

Moss

CJ2

Colston

S. Smith

Marshall

Boldin

Bowe

Roy

In that order.

Wow... CJ / Hous / Holmes / and prob a couple of others I'm forgetting would be on my list before RW.CJ2 before Colston is a huge mistake IMHO.

 

[Knight who says Ni]

Great buy low heading into a contract season.

Unfortunately probably a great produce low too.And, he's not a buy low. Just went #12 WR in a startup draft. Value still as high as ever.

Can u list the WR who went ahead of him

FitzAJWayneEdwardsMossCJ2ColstonS. SmithMarshallBoldinBoweRoyIn that order.

Hang on, TO wasn't in the top 12?

 

[KellysHeroes]

Great buy low heading into a contract season.

Unfortunately probably a great produce low too.And, he's not a buy low. Just went #12 WR in a startup draft. Value still as high as ever.

Can u list the WR who went ahead of him

FitzAJWayneEdwardsMossCJ2ColstonS. SmithMarshallBoldinBoweRoyIn that order.

Hang on, TO wasn't in the top 12?

TO / Holt / Wes / CJ / Hous / Holmes... that guy reached for Roy.

 

[BigJim®]

Great buy low heading into a contract season.

Unfortunately probably a great produce low too.And, he's not a buy low. Just went #12 WR in a startup draft. Value still as high as ever.

Can u list the WR who went ahead of him

FitzAJWayneEdwardsMossCJ2ColstonS. SmithMarshallBoldinBoweRoyIn that order.

Hang on, TO wasn't in the top 12?

TO / Holt / Wes / CJ / Hous / Holmes... that guy reached for Roy.

I think in most drafts Roy will be obtainable as a WR2 yet have the potential to perform as a WR1. My main reasoning for this is the contract year, and death of the Martz offense which killed the QB and didn't allow time for anything but McDonald/Furrey to run short slants.