Rudi Johnson Week 8 Injury Update (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

Might as well kick this one off early. From RotoWorld:

Bengals coach Marvin Lewis says Rudi Johnson (hamstring) might be ready to play in Week 8 against the Steelers.

Even if Rudi returns to practice Wednesday, it's unclear how many touches he'd be in line for in Week 8. Don't plan on using him in fantasy leagues.

Source: Cincinnati Enquirer

 

[Funky_K]

After watching Watson tear up the Jets... I think I'd rather have Rudi sit another week out to heal.

 

[PatrickT]

In either case, neither makes a particularly appetizing start against the Steelers.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Whats the outlook for Rudi on the rest of the season?

 

[maxwell1295]

Whats the outlook for Rudi on the rest of the season?

Tenuous at best...I think Rudy has lost his stud status and will be a "matchup" guy the rest of the year. I plan on plugging him in based on the matchup. Healthy or not, the Steelers are not one of those matchups. Kenny Watson's recent play is not much of a confidence boost either.

 

[Godsbrother]

Whats the outlook for Rudi on the rest of the season?

Tenuous at best...I think Rudy has lost his stud status and will be a "matchup" guy the rest of the year. I plan on plugging him in based on the matchup. Healthy or not, the Steelers are not one of those matchups. Kenny Watson's recent play is not much of a confidence boost either.

Until Rudi has a 10+ point day he rides the bench.

 

[packersfan]

Are we getting close to the time when we stick a fork in Rudi? Maybe so. From RotoWorld:

Rudi Johnson (hamstring) missed another practice Wednesday.

Chris Perry (PUP, ankle) was still on the sideline in pads and a helment, indicating he hasn't been activated yet. Unless Rudi returns to a full practice later in the week, he's unlikely to play a major role vs. Pittsburgh.

Source: Cincinnati Enquirer

 

[Rounders]

How do you feel about him next year? Is he done? Will CIN go with a 2 back system ala Indy? Will they bring in another RB? I'm leaning on moving him in my dynasty league for Edge.

 

[jafo]

Kenny Watson has been adding another dimension to Cincinnati's game. If Rudi is out again I think Watson is a must start even though it's the Steelers. The Bengals are going to surprise some people this week when they beat Pittsburgh. I wouldn't be surprised to see about 100 all purpose yards and 1 TD from Watson this weekend, even if the Bengals lose.

 

[PatrickT]

Even if he starts, I can't see starting him against PIT. He'll split carries to ease him in, etc. If he doesn't start is where it gets interesting. Hard to consider benching a guy who just lit it up, but running against the Jets is a tad different than running against the Steelers.

Would anyone even consider starting Watson if Rudi doesn't go? Predictions?

20Ru for 65/3Re for 20/0 TD sound like a fair bet?

 

[jafo]

Would anyone even consider starting Watson if Rudi doesn't go? Predictions?

Depends on your depth. I have Benson as my RB2 so I'll give Watson the start over him in a heartbeat if Rudi is out.

 

[packersfan]

Would anyone even consider starting Watson if Rudi doesn't go? Predictions?

Depends on your depth. I have Benson as my RB2 so I'll give Watson the start over him in a heartbeat if Rudi is out.

Not to turn this into a WDIS thread but if Benson can't get it done against the Lions there's no hope for him. If I was a Benson owner I'd roll with him this week over Watson. The Steelers are not a good matchup for Watson at all in my opinion.

 

[PatrickT]

Would anyone even consider starting Watson if Rudi doesn't go? Predictions?

Depends on your depth. I have Benson as my RB2 so I'll give Watson the start over him in a heartbeat if Rudi is out.

Not to turn this into a WDIS thread but if Benson can't get it done against the Lions there's no hope for him. If I was a Benson owner I'd roll with him this week over Watson. The Steelers are not a good matchup for Watson at all in my opinion.

Might have to start him in flex with Byes. The powerhouse backup RB lineup: Keith, Chatman, Watson.

 

[jafo]

Would anyone even consider starting Watson if Rudi doesn't go? Predictions?

Depends on your depth. I have Benson as my RB2 so I'll give Watson the start over him in a heartbeat if Rudi is out.

Not to turn this into a WDIS thread but if Benson can't get it done against the Lions there's no hope for him. If I was a Benson owner I'd roll with him this week over Watson. The Steelers are not a good matchup for Watson at all in my opinion.

Normally I'd agree with you about Benson, but Detriot did a decent job of shutting him down the first time Chicago faced them this year. I should mention it's a PPR league I'm talking about which is why I feel more comfortable with Watson this week.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Would anyone even consider starting Watson if Rudi doesn't go? Predictions?

Depends on your depth. I have Benson as my RB2 so I'll give Watson the start over him in a heartbeat if Rudi is out.

Not to turn this into a WDIS thread but if Benson can't get it done against the Lions there's no hope for him. If I was a Benson owner I'd roll with him this week over Watson. The Steelers are not a good matchup for Watson at all in my opinion.

Normally I'd agree with you about Benson, but Detriot did a decent job of shutting him down the first time Chicago faced them this year. I should mention it's a PPR league I'm talking about which is why I feel more comfortable with Watson this week.

just my .02 but Detroit's D is a different animal on the road vs home. They are actually decent at home.

 

[KellysHeroes]

enough with the

I believe this is the end for Rudi... they may draft a guy or we may have another team in the Turner bid....

 

[Rushmore]

may have another team in the Turner bid....

Turner will cost too much for the Bengals to be a serious bidder in that game.

 

[faux_bear]

enough with the I believe this is the end for Rudi... they may draft a guy or we may have another team in the Turner bid....

you guys have short memories. rudi is the man until he's a) 100%, and b) not getting most of the carries. The bengals didn't sign him to a nice contract to sit him on the bench.

 

[packersfan]

enough with the I believe this is the end for Rudi... they may draft a guy or we may have another team in the Turner bid....

you guys have short memories. rudi is the man until he's a) 100%, and b) not getting most of the carries. The bengals didn't sign him to a nice contract to sit him on the bench.

I agree. I don't think there's any question he's the best RB on the roster when healthy. The problem is he isn't healthy and doesn't appear to be getting healthy. It's been five weeks now since he got hurt and he still isn't back at practice. That's a major concern.

 

[TheFanatic]

Even if he starts, I can't see starting him against PIT. He'll split carries to ease him in, etc. If he doesn't start is where it gets interesting. Hard to consider benching a guy who just lit it up, but running against the Jets is a tad different than running against the Steelers.Would anyone even consider starting Watson if Rudi doesn't go? Predictions?20Ru for 65/3Re for 20/0 TD sound like a fair bet?

Even if they call Rudi out right now, Watson doesn't get the start for me against Pitt. That run D is just too good. If you have other options go with them. either Cinci RB is not a good play this week....

 

[Rounders]

enough with the

I believe this is the end for Rudi... they may draft a guy or we may have another team in the Turner bid....

you guys have short memories. rudi is the man until he's a) 100%, and b) not getting most of the carries. The bengals didn't sign him to a nice contract to sit him on the bench.

Can you refresh my memory of his contract status?

 

[KellysHeroes]

enough with the I believe this is the end for Rudi... they may draft a guy or we may have another team in the Turner bid....

you guys have short memories. rudi is the man until he's a) 100%, and b) not getting most of the carries. The bengals didn't sign him to a nice contract to sit him on the bench.

I'm not one of those "guys"... I have never been into Rudi; I have always thought ever since he signed that contract; hes been overrated...It made no sense at the time to draft a 1st rd RB and then resign the feature Back to a 5 yr deal???? Like I said; I wouldn't be surprised if hes gone next yr...

 

[KellysHeroes]

enough with the

I believe this is the end for Rudi... they may draft a guy or we may have another team in the Turner bid....

you guys have short memories. rudi is the man until he's a) 100%, and b) not getting most of the carries. The bengals didn't sign him to a nice contract to sit him on the bench.

Can you refresh my memory of his contract status?

3/16/2005: Signed a five-year, $26 million contract. The deal includes $12 million in guarantees. 2007: $3.55 million, 2008: $3.2 million, 2009: $3.6 million, 2010: Free Agent. Johnson has a cap charge of $4.8 million in 2009.

 

[sho nuff]

Kenny Watson has been adding another dimension to Cincinnati's game. If Rudi is out again I think Watson is a must start even though it's the Steelers. The Bengals are going to surprise some people this week when they beat Pittsburgh. I wouldn't be surprised to see about 100 all purpose yards and 1 TD from Watson this weekend, even if the Bengals lose.

Im leaning towards him...but may play the matchup with Benson against the Lions in Chitown.

 

[Rounders]

enough with the

I believe this is the end for Rudi... they may draft a guy or we may have another team in the Turner bid....

you guys have short memories. rudi is the man until he's a) 100%, and b) not getting most of the carries. The bengals didn't sign him to a nice contract to sit him on the bench.

Can you refresh my memory of his contract status?

3/16/2005: Signed a five-year, $26 million contract. The deal includes $12 million in guarantees. 2007: $3.55 million, 2008: $3.2 million, 2009: $3.6 million, 2010: Free Agent. Johnson has a cap charge of $4.8 million in 2009.

So don't you think that with his cap hit of 4.8 in 2009, that they will look to unload after the 08 season? I think that there's a good chance that Rudi stays in Cincy. Now how he will be utilized is a different story.

 

[KellysHeroes]

enough with the

I believe this is the end for Rudi... they may draft a guy or we may have another team in the Turner bid....

you guys have short memories. rudi is the man until he's a) 100%, and b) not getting most of the carries. The bengals didn't sign him to a nice contract to sit him on the bench.

Can you refresh my memory of his contract status?

3/16/2005: Signed a five-year, $26 million contract. The deal includes $12 million in guarantees. 2007: $3.55 million, 2008: $3.2 million, 2009: $3.6 million, 2010: Free Agent. Johnson has a cap charge of $4.8 million in 2009.

So don't you think that with his cap hit of 4.8 in 2009, that they will look to unload after the 08 season? I think that there's a good chance that Rudi stays in Cincy. Now how he will be utilized is a different story.

He could be unload this yr... players get cut all the time, no matter how big their contract is..

 

[TheFanatic]

enough with the

I believe this is the end for Rudi... they may draft a guy or we may have another team in the Turner bid....

you guys have short memories. rudi is the man until he's a) 100%, and b) not getting most of the carries. The bengals didn't sign him to a nice contract to sit him on the bench.

Can you refresh my memory of his contract status?

3/16/2005: Signed a five-year, $26 million contract. The deal includes $12 million in guarantees. 2007: $3.55 million, 2008: $3.2 million, 2009: $3.6 million, 2010: Free Agent. Johnson has a cap charge of $4.8 million in 2009.

So don't you think that with his cap hit of 4.8 in 2009, that they will look to unload after the 08 season? I think that there's a good chance that Rudi stays in Cincy. Now how he will be utilized is a different story.

He could be unload this yr... players get cut all the time, no matter how big their contract is..

They would probably have to wait till the season is over otherwise the prorated amount of his signing bonus which extends into 2009 would count against the cap this year. If they wait till after the season they would only have 2 years of the signing bonus which ironically would be another $4.8 million but they wouldn't be responsible for the 2009 cap number. Actually the way this works it looks like it would be just as cheap (or close to it) to keep the guy through the end of his contract....

 

[packersfan]

More on this from RotoWorld:

Bengals beat writer Chuck Ludwig believes Kenny Watson could be the team's starting running back for the rest of the season.

Rudi Johnson missed practice again Wednesday due to lingering soreness in his hamstring. Watson's better all-around game might make him the favorite to carry the load for Cincinnati during the second half of the season.

Source: sportingnews.com

 

[jafo]

More on this from RotoWorld:

Bengals beat writer Chuck Ludwig believes Kenny Watson could be the team's starting running back for the rest of the season.Rudi Johnson missed practice again Wednesday due to lingering soreness in his hamstring. Watson's better all-around game might make him the favorite to carry the load for Cincinnati during the second half of the season.

Source: sportingnews.com

 

[Rounders]

More on this from RotoWorld:

Bengals beat writer Chuck Ludwig believes Kenny Watson could be the team's starting running back for the rest of the season.Rudi Johnson missed practice again Wednesday due to lingering soreness in his hamstring. Watson's better all-around game might make him the favorite to carry the load for Cincinnati during the second half of the season.

Source: sportingnews.com

Big, Big news (if true). That's what I have said all along, play one and sit one.

 

[heidbrink]

Earlier in the season, that is, pre any "hammy" issues with Johnson, Watson has clearly shown more speed, power, and elusiveness. If you had seen an equal number of plays with each runner earlier in the season you would have said that clearly Watson is the starter. His opportunity to take a full load shows just how good he is. Regardless of the contract implications the coach will go with the runner he believes gives him the best chance to win. Enjoy the irony that a similar thing happened when Rudi took the starting gig in the first place. RB is a young man's game.

 

[packersfan]

Earlier in the season, that is, pre any "hammy" issues with Johnson, Watson has clearly shown more speed, power, and elusiveness. If you had seen an equal number of plays with each runner earlier in the season you would have said that clearly Watson is the starter. His opportunity to take a full load shows just how good he is. Regardless of the contract implications the coach will go with the runner he believes gives him the best chance to win. Enjoy the irony that a similar thing happened when Rudi took the starting gig in the first place. RB is a young man's game.

Watson is older than Rudi.And I've seen every snap of every Bengals game. Prior to his injury I saw no reason to consider Rudi to be inferior to Watson. They were using him more in the passing game and he had a great game in Week 2 against the Browns and his value was on the rise in my opinion. Then he played like crap against Seattle and got hurt. To his credit, Watson has taken advantage. But if both were healthy, I don't think it's a contest. I think Rudi is easily the superior RB. Just my opinion.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

More on this from RotoWorld:Bengals beat writer Chuck Ludwig believes Kenny Watson could be the team's starting running back for the rest of the season.Rudi Johnson missed practice again Wednesday due to lingering soreness in his hamstring. Watson's better all-around game might make him the favorite to carry the load for Cincinnati during the second half of the season.Source: sportingnews.com

hold on hold on, this is a beat writers opinion. So lets not get too exicted here. And I am a Kenny Owner, not RUdi Owner. So it would benefit me. Anf the Bengal playoff schedule is tasty:STL@SFCleve

 

[JimboJim]

Earlier in the season, that is, pre any "hammy" issues with Johnson, Watson has clearly shown more speed, power, and elusiveness. If you had seen an equal number of plays with each runner earlier in the season you would have said that clearly Watson is the starter. His opportunity to take a full load shows just how good he is. Regardless of the contract implications the coach will go with the runner he believes gives him the best chance to win. Enjoy the irony that a similar thing happened when Rudi took the starting gig in the first place. RB is a young man's game.

Watson is a year older than Rudi. Nice one.

 

[heidbrink]

Earlier in the season, that is, pre any "hammy" issues with Johnson, Watson has clearly shown more speed, power, and elusiveness. If you had seen an equal number of plays with each runner earlier in the season you would have said that clearly Watson is the starter. His opportunity to take a full load shows just how good he is. Regardless of the contract implications the coach will go with the runner he believes gives him the best chance to win. Enjoy the irony that a similar thing happened when Rudi took the starting gig in the first place. RB is a young man's game.

Watson is a year older than Rudi. Nice one.

ok i stand corrected. He is not younger. I notice nobody argued my basic premise. He has looked the better back, even before the injury.

 

[packersfan]

Earlier in the season, that is, pre any "hammy" issues with Johnson, Watson has clearly shown more speed, power, and elusiveness. If you had seen an equal number of plays with each runner earlier in the season you would have said that clearly Watson is the starter. His opportunity to take a full load shows just how good he is. Regardless of the contract implications the coach will go with the runner he believes gives him the best chance to win. Enjoy the irony that a similar thing happened when Rudi took the starting gig in the first place. RB is a young man's game.

Watson is a year older than Rudi. Nice one.

ok i stand corrected. He is not younger. I notice nobody argued my basic premise.

I did.

 

[Jon_Moore]

Earlier in the season, that is, pre any "hammy" issues with Johnson, Watson has clearly shown more speed, power, and elusiveness. If you had seen an equal number of plays with each runner earlier in the season you would have said that clearly Watson is the starter. His opportunity to take a full load shows just how good he is. Regardless of the contract implications the coach will go with the runner he believes gives him the best chance to win. Enjoy the irony that a similar thing happened when Rudi took the starting gig in the first place. RB is a young man's game.

Watson is older than Rudi.And I've seen every snap of every Bengals game. Prior to his injury I saw no reason to consider Rudi to be inferior to Watson. They were using him more in the passing game and he had a great game in Week 2 against the Browns and his value was on the rise in my opinion. Then he played like crap against Seattle and got hurt. To his credit, Watson has taken advantage. But if both were healthy, I don't think it's a contest. I think Rudi is easily the superior RB. Just my opinion.

Only by birthdate. Watson's body is younger, he hasn't taken nearly the physical pounding Rudi has.Also, when you start 1-4, and the guy you "didn't pay to sit on the bench" has undeperformed since last year, the money begins to become less of an issue.

Lewis said before the season, the team had to improve its yards per carry, and Rudi's been worse than last year so far, where as Watson has brought some life to the running game.

 

[packersfan]

Watson has done well. I own both guys so I don't care who starts to be honest as long as one of them is the clear starter. I just don't think Watson is more talented. I don't think we saw enough from Rudi to say he wasn't playing well. He had one game against a tough defense; another against a soft defense where he did very well and a third where he stunk to high heaven before getting hurt. I don't see any reason to believe he wouldn't have done quite well against the Jets - just like Watson did. Again, my concern with Rudi is the injury. As more and more games pass without him getting back to health it's looking more and more like he won't be a viable fantasy option this season.

 

[joffer]

Watson is older than Rudi.

Only by birthdate.

sorry, i know your point, that made me laugh

 

[Rushmore]

Chick Ludwig is one of my favorite beat writers for the Bengals, but he also talks from OPINION quite often-moreso than many of the other writers. I wouldn't put too much into this article. This is just his speculation. I like him because he has some charisma and isn't affraid to tell it like it is, but he's certainly not the most credible. He writes like a fan. BTW, I agree with Chick here though, that he "could," but wouldn't say that I expect it to happen. I think he may have carved a bigger role for himself, and perhaps thrown his name in the hat when it's time to address the position in the future. I still haven't counted out Perry personally.

 

[packersfan]

Chick Ludwig is one of my favorite beat writers for the Bengals, but he also talks from OPINION quite often-moreso than many of the other writers. I wouldn't put too much into this article. This is just his speculation. I like him because he has some charisma and isn't affraid to tell it like it is, but he's certainly not the most credible. He writes like a fan. BTW, I agree with Chick here though, that he "could," but wouldn't say that I expect it to happen. I think he may have carved a bigger role for himself, and perhaps thrown his name in the hat when it's time to address the position in the future. I still haven't counted out Perry personally.

And this is why I always think it's valuable to ask for homer's input with situations. You guys know this writer and his credibility; we don't. So info like this is definitely helpful. Thanks.

 

[Native]

Chick Ludwig is one of my favorite beat writers for the Bengals, but he also talks from OPINION quite often-moreso than many of the other writers. I wouldn't put too much into this article. This is just his speculation. I like him because he has some charisma and isn't affraid to tell it like it is, but he's certainly not the most credible. He writes like a fan. BTW, I agree with Chick here though, that he "could," but wouldn't say that I expect it to happen. I think he may have carved a bigger role for himself, and perhaps thrown his name in the hat when it's time to address the position in the future. I still haven't counted out Perry personally.

And this is why I always think it's valuable to ask for homer's input with situations. You guys know this writer and his credibility; we don't. So info like this is definitely helpful. Thanks.

thanks

 

[Wally Cleaver]

Earlier in the season, that is, pre any "hammy" issues with Johnson, Watson has clearly shown more speed, power, and elusiveness. If you had seen an equal number of plays with each runner earlier in the season you would have said that clearly Watson is the starter. His opportunity to take a full load shows just how good he is. Regardless of the contract implications the coach will go with the runner he believes gives him the best chance to win. Enjoy the irony that a similar thing happened when Rudi took the starting gig in the first place. RB is a young man's game.

Watson is a year older than Rudi. Nice one.

ok i stand corrected. He is not younger. I notice nobody argued my basic premise. He has looked the better back, even before the injury.

Rudi has been taking a beating the last several years, he is a bruising runner but he is not very elusive. Watson has been standing on the sidelines... I think it is safe to say Watson has a fresher pair of legs and a fresher body regardless of age.

Edit: Sorry, didnt see that someone else had made this exact point above... Carry on.

 

[TheFanatic]

I think nearly all of us would agree that we would prefer them to play one and not the other and remove all thoughts of a RBBC. I'm sure the owners that have only 1 and not the other are hoping for their guy. But as an owner of both guys I'm hoping for just 1.

Having seen these hamstring issues in the past dog players for weeks I would much prefer Rudi sit for a couple three weeks. And the when he's sure he can play, sit him for 2 more weeks. Then let him play.

Rudi's body of work will get him the nod over Watson when he gets back, but I would have to say that he will be on a short leash with the way Watson has played. Then again, all you guys that are in love with Watson will likely have a different impression next Monday when the STeelers hold him to 55 yards and no TD's.

 

[jurrassic]

I think nearly all of us would agree that we would prefer them to play one and not the other and remove all thoughts of a RBBC. I'm sure the owners that have only 1 and not the other are hoping for their guy. But as an owner of both guys I'm hoping for just 1. Having seen these hamstring issues in the past dog players for weeks I would much prefer Rudi sit for a couple three weeks. And the when he's sure he can play, sit him for 2 more weeks. Then let him play.Rudi's body of work will get him the nod over Watson when he gets back, but I would have to say that he will be on a short leash with the way Watson has played. Then again, all you guys that are in love with Watson will likely have a different impression next Monday when the STeelers hold him to 55 yards and no TD's.

I may be forced to start Watson or F. Taylor due to bye weeks, but the other side of this is Watson pass catching abilities. The Steelers may be tough vs. the run but they also blitz alot which will require Palmer to get rid of the ball quickly to his rb in the flat.

 

[TheFanatic]

I think nearly all of us would agree that we would prefer them to play one and not the other and remove all thoughts of a RBBC. I'm sure the owners that have only 1 and not the other are hoping for their guy. But as an owner of both guys I'm hoping for just 1. Having seen these hamstring issues in the past dog players for weeks I would much prefer Rudi sit for a couple three weeks. And the when he's sure he can play, sit him for 2 more weeks. Then let him play.Rudi's body of work will get him the nod over Watson when he gets back, but I would have to say that he will be on a short leash with the way Watson has played. Then again, all you guys that are in love with Watson will likely have a different impression next Monday when the STeelers hold him to 55 yards and no TD's.

I may be forced to start Watson or F. Taylor due to bye weeks, but the other side of this is Watson pass catching abilities. The Steelers may be tough vs. the run but they also blitz alot which will require Palmer to get rid of the ball quickly to his rb in the flat.

I hear you but I still see it as a lackluster day for any Cinci RB, particularly if they try to play both of them. The one shining spot here is that the game is in Cinci. But in your situation, with MJD questionable, Fred may be a good play considering the Bucs don't stop the run all that well...

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

Rudi is in decline, in terms of productivity, injured or not.

And he is injured.

Shameless Plug

 

[packersfan]

Rudi is in decline, in terms of productivity, injured or not.

And he is injured.

Shameless Plug

I don't think anyone is questioning that Rudi's hurt. It's pretty obvious he's hurt. It's been five weeks and he's still not practicing. He's obviously injured.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

Rudi is in decline, in terms of productivity, injured or not.

And he is injured.

Shameless Plug

I don't think anyone is questioning that Rudi's hurt. It's pretty obvious he's hurt. It's been five weeks and he's still not practicing. He's obviously injured.

My point is that his productivity was in real decline, injured or not.Ergo, if you are a dynasty owner or are considering him for dynasty, I think he is a bad bet.

 

[packersfan]

I think we can stick a fork in Rudi for this week too. From RotoWorld:

Rudi Johnson (hamstring) sat out Thursday's practice.

Johnson also missed Wednesday's workout and looks increasingly unlikely to play a big role Sunday even if he's somehow able to suit up. Kenny Watson figures to be the lead runner Sunday, but the matchup against Pittsburgh is a rough one. The Bengals also practiced Thursday without LBs Ahmad Brooks (groin), who has been ruled out, and Caleb Miller (back).

Source: Cincinnati Post