Rule Changes in Dynasty / Keeper leagues (1 Viewer)

[2112]

When do you guys implement offseason rule changes?

Immediately (as in, a rule change today effects the 2006 draft & season)

or 1 year in advance? (or a rule change today goes into effect for the 2007 offseason, draft, etc)

[my story]

I've been in a 16-team keeper league for 15 years now, and the commissioner just pushed through a rule change that will reduce our keepers from the current 7 down to 5 players. And while I would prefer we actually go with more keepers or even a full dynasty -- I'm fine with reducing the keepers if the other owners want to. That's not the big deal for me.

Where I feel like I got hosed was in the timing of this change; making it effective NOW for the 2006 draft means that any trades people have made (myself included) are impacted by this rule change; and we can't "undo" the trades. I traded away my late-first round pick for a 7th keeper, because under the old rules it was to my advantage. But now, not only can I not keep this player but I lose a 1st round pick which has increased in value due to better quality veterans being released into the draft pool.

I'm not the only owner in this position, but the commish decided on his own that any vote in favor of the 5 keepers meant that they wanted the change now. He won't consider the timing of this change as a seperate issue.

[/my story]

So for your dynasty or keeper leagues -- how far in advance do you implement rule changes? Are they done during the "frozen time" where trades are not taking place, or what?

 

[P Boy]

Any dynasty/keeper rules implemented that affect roster/player value decisions ought to be postponed for a year to give owners a season to make whatever adjustments they feel are needed for them to best adapt to the new rule.

Pretty much a common sense type of thing, I would think.

 

[Horses Mouth]

 

[PsychoMan]

I would be ticked too. It sounds like a very bad decision by the commish. With leagues going on that long, it should be understood that rule changes like that will go in place a year in advance so owners know how to properly manage their team ...

u got hosed !

 

[2112]

beautiful...my first ptts! thanks HMbut seriously, I'm not trying to make this just about my story, it's a protocol thing.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Any dynasty/keeper rules implemented that affect roster/player value decisions ought to be postponed for a year to give owners a season to make whatever adjustments they feel are needed for them to best adapt to the new rule.

Pretty much a common sense type of thing, I would think.

A one year hiatus (or at least a period of time to adjust) would seem correct.

One year isn't a long time to wait for a new rule to phase in.

At the very least, I'd go back and say that this should be phased in (7 keepers, then 6, then 5) - but I agree with you that this is contrary to the dynasty feel of the league. Reducing keepers is less of a dynasty league.

 

[LTsharks]

I would think that you would have to wait a year to make any changes like that. Our 3 player keeper league decided at the 2004 draft that we would add a 3rd WR to the starting lineup - for the 2005 season. This gave guys plenty of time to consider that impact on their keepers.

We now have a rule change period that runs during the offseason until May 1st. As commish I would love to look at some more rule changes for this year (ppr, expanded keepers, etc.) but I don't really see how we could make any of them effective for the 2006 season without blowing everything up and starting over.

You are right, it just wouldn't be fair.

 

[Liquid Tension]

When do you guys implement offseason rule changes?

Immediately (as in, a rule change today effects the 2006 draft & season)

or 1 year in advance? (or a rule change today goes into effect for the 2007 offseason, draft, etc)

[my story]

I've been in a 16-team keeper league for 15 years now, and the commissioner just pushed through a rule change that will reduce our keepers from the current 7 down to 5 players. And while I would prefer we actually go with more keepers or even a full dynasty -- I'm fine with reducing the keepers if the other owners want to. That's not the big deal for me.

Where I feel like I got hosed was in the timing of this change; making it effective NOW for the 2006 draft means that any trades people have made (myself included) are impacted by this rule change; and we can't "undo" the trades. I traded away my late-first round pick for a 7th keeper, because under the old rules it was to my advantage. But now, not only can I not keep this player but I lose a 1st round pick which has increased in value due to better quality veterans being released into the draft pool.

I'm not the only owner in this position, but the commish decided on his own that any vote in favor of the 5 keepers meant that they wanted the change now. He won't consider the timing of this change as a seperate issue.

[/my story]

So for your dynasty or keeper leagues -- how far in advance do you implement rule changes? Are they done during the "frozen time" where trades are not taking place, or what?

I am the Commish of a 9 man keeper (almost dynasty) and I ask for rule changes from the league in teh offseason and any changes that impact scoring or roster sizes or keepers get approved but not implemented until the following year. For example, we changed the scoring on TE's after year 1 (in the offseason and before the draft for year 2) and it took effect for year 3. If something needs to be rectified immediately, I have a provision where if 10 of the 11 OTHER owners want to make a change right away I could approve and most certainly would in most cases.The Commish should not have unilateral control to make decisions like this.

 

[thayman]

We discuss any rule changes over a few beers, just before we start drafting. That way everyone is still sober, and before you draft for 06 you know what rule changes might be in place for 07

 

[PhatHead]

If I were you I would feel hosed. Make sure and let the commish know how you feel. As a commish of a dynasty league myself there is nothing I hate more than other owners complaining about something in the leage, but never bringing it to my attention.

 

[Keepers]

Depends on the significance of the change as to whether we make a change effective this year or next year. For significant changes usually implement it the following year, consider this a significant change.

 

[mlball77]

Yeah, I too think this type of rule change needs a one-yr lag time before implimentation. Team owners have already put together their rosters AND picks with the thought that 7 players were going to be kept, not 5. Making this change without lag time hurts deep teams and hurts teams that traded away early picks already (if your league allows such).

I would probably feel similarly about this as you do if this happened to me. I'd be fine with the rule change, just not fine that owners aren't given the necessary time to prepare for it.

 

[Warhogs]

This is a poor decision and you are getting hosed. This really needs to not take effect until next season. I would talk with the other owners and stick with what is right. Either delay the change for 1 year or I would be out of there. If the commish is not willing to see the error of this decision and make amends I would not want any part of that league. I just feel that the same type of decision process will happen again at some point.

 

[2112]

thanks fellas, your collective experience is valuable to me as I do a "self-check" to see that I'm not missing something.

And yes, I am talking with not only the commish but the entire league about this (ain't email great?) and have garnered some supporters already. I was worried about other owners' support because I have one of the better & more consistently good teams. And I didn't want them to think I was just whining about the hit to my team alone. This is a bigger deal than my little ole team.

Game on!

 

[Team Legacy]

I know you probably worked hard for that team, but I would leave now or demand the Commish step down.

Why go through this again next year?

 

[PAO]

I know you probably worked hard for that team, but I would leave now or demand the Commish step down.

Why go through this again next year?

This seems a little harsh considering he's been in the league 16 years.

 

[2112]

I know you probably worked hard for that team, but I would leave now or demand the Commish step down.

Why go through this again next year?

This seems a little harsh considering he's been in the league 16 years.

it's something I'm considering. I don't want to ditch that team, but if it's being widdled away by these bogus rule changes anyway...maybe I'm not losing too much afterall. And believe me, it won't the first time (nor even the 5th time) that I've turned the other cheek in this league.perhaps I'll have a firesale before I leave (if I leave). hmmmmm, that's the devious side of me talking. (would you be quiet! no, you be quiet!)

 

[ImTheScientist]

I know you probably worked hard for that team, but I would leave now or demand the Commish step down.

Why go through this again next year?

This seems a little harsh considering he's been in the league 16 years.

it's something I'm considering. I don't want to ditch that team, but if it's being widdled away by these bogus rule changes anyway...maybe I'm not losing too much afterall. And believe me, it won't the first time (nor even the 5th time) that I've turned the other cheek in this league.perhaps I'll have a firesale before I leave (if I leave). hmmmmm, that's the devious side of me talking. (would you be quiet! no, you be quiet!)

Devious side be quiet..........that would not be cool at all. 1) Was the rule change voted on and approved by the league......or did the commish just change it

2) How much $$$$ is envolved

3) Ask for a) A one year extension or b) a 6th keeper (the guy you traded for stays on your roster or c) your pick back (makes the most sense)

 

[GroveDiesel]

We discuss any rule changes over a few beers, just before we start drafting. That way everyone is still sober, and before you draft for 06 you know what rule changes might be in place for 07

That's usually when we do ours too. All changes are for the next season unless we can agree otherwise. For instance, a year ago we voted to lower kicker scoring by a point effective for that season. We also voted to adjust the method we determine our keepers and it would be affected after the season.

 

[2112]

1) Was the rule change voted on and approved by the league......or did the commish just change it

change was voted on, but without any language as to the timing or effective date

2) How much $$$$ is envolved

$50

3) Ask for a) A one year extension or b) a 6th keeper (the guy you traded for stays on your roster or c) your pick back (makes the most sense)

I'm really not too worked up about the player I lose or what not. From that standpoint, it's just like when we have expanded in the past. You lose a player or two for the good of the league. No biggee, as long as everyone else loses the same level of players.So it's really the draft pick that irks me. And I'm not sure I like the idea of reversing trades - I would rather we just have the standard 1-year delay. Which we've used in the past, btw.

 

[GregR_2]

In my leagues, any change that will majorly impact decisions that have already been made have a 1 year wait before they go in. Anything that shouldn't affect some teams differently than others go in right away.

For example, we added a head coach position immediately. But a scoring system change for passing and rush/rec yardage had a year's advance notice so teams could plan ahead for their next year's keepers knowing the new scoring would be going into effect.