Rumor: Ernie Accorsi IN as new Browns GM? (1 Viewer)

[kaa]

http://news-herald.com/articles/2009/11/02...s/nh1647108.txt

George Kokinis was fired Monday as general manager and escorted from Browns headquarters, according to league sources. The Browns are not confirming the reports.

Hours later, sources said Ernie Accorsi was hired as the team's GM. The move is a blast from the past for Browns' fans. Accorsi was the Browns' GM from 1985 to 1992.

He also served as GM of the Colts from 1982 to 83, and also worked in the Giants' front office from 1994 to 2004, including a stint as New York's GM from 1998 and on.

In 2004, he spearheaded a trade to get No. 1 pick Eli Manning from the Chargers.

Kokinis has been on the hot seat for more than three weeks, the source said. The ax falls one day after Browns owner Randy Lerner said he plans on hiring a strong football personality to run the Browns.

The firing comes at the start of the bye week.

Kokinis was hired Jan. 23 at the urging of Browns coach Eric Mangini. Lerner has said Mangini's job is safe for now.

More to come as details become available. Tuesday's print editions will have a full report.

My thoughts, as reposted from the other thread:

I still remember exactly what irritated me so much about Accorsi. When he took over the Browns GM job, it was clear that we had a good OL but it was long in the tooth and needed new blood. So Accorsi completely and utterly ignores the OL and allows it to decline. From 1985-1990 he selects only ONE OL in the first 4 rounds - Greg Rakoczy. And boy any Brown will tell you how bad Rakoczy was. But they kept trying to play him because they had no-one else. And then as a result of neglecting the OL, Kosar starts getting beat up and abused, and then the hit by Lloyd Burress ruins Kosar's career.

I'm still mad about that whole situation. Please don't bring him back. PLEASE.

The terrible thing is the Browns are close to completing the job of building a very strong OL through the draft. Accorsi would be like the absolute nightmare selection as GM, because the first thing he'll do is ignore the only unit that has potential to be great.

I just looked over Accorsi tenure with the Giants. Yep, he also completely ignored their OL in the draft. God help us if he comes back here.

Accorsi's wikipedia page states he is the current GM of the Browns. I am going to be very, very angry.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

might be a good thing if it ends Brady Quinn and/or Derek Anderon's career..

They'll at least draft a QB in the future

only kidding

 

[kaa]

might be a good thing if it ends Brady Quinn and/or Derek Anderon's career..They'll at least draft a QB in the futureonly kidding

Just looking over Accorsi's drafts. They are FILLED with high selections at WR and RB. And drafting Eli Manning is actually being touted as a GOOD thing.It really feels like there's just no hope for this franchise. Every time they make a move, its like the absolute worst one. Every time.

 

[kaa]

My new prediction is the Browns will reach on an RB in round 1.

 

[Dragon1952]

http://news-herald.com/articles/2009/11/02...s/nh1647108.txt

Lerner has said Mangini's job is safe for now.

LOL! I like that....."for now".

 

[Ford Prefect]

My new prediction is the Browns will reach on an RB in round 1.

Only after making some trades that make Kokinis look like a brilliant wheeler and dealer.

 

[Jason Wood]

Accorsi ABSOLUTELY will want his own guy. He rules with an iron fist (at least he did in New York) and had all the say in personnel matters and coaching hires. Mangini probably gets the rest of the season to win the 2010 job, but that seems unlikely.

 

[cowboyz]

so who built the current giants oline/dline?

 

[Reaper]

Poor Mangenius.

I think he should go the way Al Groh did and coach at the college level where his bitter attitude and lack of social skills may work better with college kids who are only around a few years.....

Again, according to many players, he's a good "Coach" and knows the game... It's everything else about being an NFL HC that he lacks.

If I'm him, I'm looking forward to teaching kids the game of football....

 

[Evilgrin 72]

My new prediction is the Browns will reach on an RB in round 1.

I think Accorsi will draft a QB if they don't think Quinn is the answer (and it sure seems they don't.) I remember Accorsi defending the move to get Manning by saying (paraphrased) : "Any time you have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB, you do it."With this QB class coming out that could theoretically rival the '83 draft for 1st round selections, and where the Browns will be drafting, I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him grab McCoy, Bradford, or Locker.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Accorsi ABSOLUTELY will want his own guy. He rules with an iron fist (at least he did in New York) and had all the say in personnel matters and coaching hires. Mangini probably gets the rest of the season to win the 2010 job, but that seems unlikely.

No doubt about it. I also heard on the radio this AM that the Browns organization has been conducting both professional and personal investigations into Mangini. Not sure the veracity of that information, but if true, then they're just aching to get rid of him at season's end and are looking for a way to do so without paying out the rest of his contract.

 

[Jason Wood]

My new prediction is the Browns will reach on an RB in round 1.

I think Accorsi will draft a QB if they don't think Quinn is the answer (and it sure seems they don't.) I remember Accorsi defending the move to get Manning by saying (paraphrased) : "Any time you have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB, you do it."With this QB class coming out that could theoretically rival the '83 draft for 1st round selections, and where the Browns will be drafting, I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him grab McCoy, Bradford, or Locker.

Agreed. Accorsi is also fond of discussing his role in drafting John Elway while GM in Baltimore; he really believes that a franchise passer is worth giving up a ton for, and largely its hard to argue with his logic. He has said repeatedly that if you get it right, any price that was paid on draft day seems small in comparison and, based on the way New Yorkers look at Eli, hard to say he was wrong there regardless of what many of us thought of the draft day trade.

 

[kaa]

so who built the current giants oline/dline?

The Giants OL is built with one high pick (RG Chris Snee) and some spare parts. I think most if not all were brought in by Accorsi.

 

[Kiddnets]

Poor Mangenius.I think he should go the way Al Groh did and coach at the college level where his bitter attitude and lack of social skills may work better with college kids who are only around a few years.....Again, according to many players, he's a good "Coach" and knows the game... It's everything else about being an NFL HC that he lacks.If I'm him, I'm looking forward to teaching kids the game of football....

I agree - Pete Carroll and Al Groh did well in college - I also think Herm is better suited for college as well - Mangini is just not cut out for the Pro game....he would be wise to grab a nice college position after this train wreck ends.

 

[kaa]

My new prediction is the Browns will reach on an RB in round 1.

I think Accorsi will draft a QB if they don't think Quinn is the answer (and it sure seems they don't.) I remember Accorsi defending the move to get Manning by saying (paraphrased) : "Any time you have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB, you do it."With this QB class coming out that could theoretically rival the '83 draft for 1st round selections, and where the Browns will be drafting, I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him grab McCoy, Bradford, or Locker.

Agreed. Accorsi is also fond of discussing his role in drafting John Elway while GM in Baltimore; he really believes that a franchise passer is worth giving up a ton for, and largely its hard to argue with his logic. He has said repeatedly that if you get it right, any price that was paid on draft day seems small in comparison and, based on the way New Yorkers look at Eli, hard to say he was wrong there regardless of what many of us thought of the draft day trade.

I completely disagree with that view. I think the Steelers have a better model. They focus on trying to win at the line of scrimmage. They are willing to go with Brister or O'Donnell or Stewart or Maddox while they wait for a QB to fall to them in the draft like Ben did. It is NOT worth giving up a ton for.

 

[analog_hiss]

Just heard this on Sirius NFL network, as reported by cleveland.com:

Reports of Cleveland Browns hiring Ernie Accorsi are false

By Tony Grossi

November 03, 2009, 9:25AM

CLEVELAND -- Former Browns General Manager Ernie Accorsi is not part of the reorganization of the club's football operations, he said this morning.

Accorsi, who last served as general manager of the New York Giants, said he is "happily retired" and has not been in contact with Browns owner Randy Lerner regarding a consultant position.

Accorsi was retained by Lerner in January as a consultant during the Browns' search for a general manager. His top recommendation to Lerner was Dave Gettleman, Giants director of pro personnel. Lerner chose George Kokinis, the preferred choice of coach Eric Mangini.

Kokinis was fired on Tuesday and now Lerner is looking to rebuild his organization again.

"I am not taking any GM job anywhere. Period," Accorsi said. "I am not taking any full-time job. I serve the league office as a consultant. I have consulted in various areas with four NFL clubs the past two years."

Reports that Accorsi would be hired to train former quarterback Bernie Kosar for a GM position are off base, too.

Accorsi, who considers himself a friend of the Lerner family, said he would give advice if called upon, but he has not had recent conversations with Lerner and has no agreement in place.

 

[Jason Wood]

so who built the current giants oline/dline?

The Giants OL is built with one high pick (RG Chris Snee) and some spare parts. I think most if not all were brought in by Accorsi.

Hey Kaa,You seem to be dismissing Accorsi's approach to the OL by pointing out their relative draft positions. But what does that matter? The point is Accorsi built, in an economic way, one of the NFC's most dominant offensive lines. When a team wants to be a perennial contender, you can't expect to load up on high 1st round O-lineman because that means you're not very good each year.

 

[kaa]

so who built the current giants oline/dline?

The Giants OL is built with one high pick (RG Chris Snee) and some spare parts. I think most if not all were brought in by Accorsi.

Hey Kaa,You seem to be dismissing Accorsi's approach to the OL by pointing out their relative draft positions. But what does that matter? The point is Accorsi built, in an economic way, one of the NFC's most dominant offensive lines. When a team wants to be a perennial contender, you can't expect to load up on high 1st round O-lineman because that means you're not very good each year.

The Giants were a 10-6 team that got crazy hot in the playoffs and won a super bowl. They are 6-8 in their last 14 games. They just benched their starting left tackle last weekend for lousy play. I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

My new prediction is the Browns will reach on an RB in round 1.

I think Accorsi will draft a QB if they don't think Quinn is the answer (and it sure seems they don't.) I remember Accorsi defending the move to get Manning by saying (paraphrased) : "Any time you have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB, you do it."With this QB class coming out that could theoretically rival the '83 draft for 1st round selections, and where the Browns will be drafting, I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him grab McCoy, Bradford, or Locker.

Agreed. Accorsi is also fond of discussing his role in drafting John Elway while GM in Baltimore; he really believes that a franchise passer is worth giving up a ton for, and largely its hard to argue with his logic. He has said repeatedly that if you get it right, any price that was paid on draft day seems small in comparison and, based on the way New Yorkers look at Eli, hard to say he was wrong there regardless of what many of us thought of the draft day trade.

I remember talking to friends who are Giants fans after that and we all pretty much said the same thing : "well, they (we) paid a king's ransom, but it was something that pretty much HAD to be done." Of course, in hindsight, they'd likely have been better off just drafting Rivers or Roethlisberger at #4 (thank God they didn't) - but at the time, I wasn't very high on Rivers and was praying Roethlisberger would fall to #11.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

My new prediction is the Browns will reach on an RB in round 1.

I think Accorsi will draft a QB if they don't think Quinn is the answer (and it sure seems they don't.) I remember Accorsi defending the move to get Manning by saying (paraphrased) : "Any time you have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB, you do it."With this QB class coming out that could theoretically rival the '83 draft for 1st round selections, and where the Browns will be drafting, I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him grab McCoy, Bradford, or Locker.

Agreed. Accorsi is also fond of discussing his role in drafting John Elway while GM in Baltimore; he really believes that a franchise passer is worth giving up a ton for, and largely its hard to argue with his logic. He has said repeatedly that if you get it right, any price that was paid on draft day seems small in comparison and, based on the way New Yorkers look at Eli, hard to say he was wrong there regardless of what many of us thought of the draft day trade.

I completely disagree with that view. I think the Steelers have a better model. They focus on trying to win at the line of scrimmage. They are willing to go with Brister or O'Donnell or Stewart or Maddox while they wait for a QB to fall to them in the draft like Ben did. It is NOT worth giving up a ton for.

The world must be ending, but I agree with you 100%, and not just vis-a-vis the Steelers. I really think you build a consistent winner by focusing on the lines... some will remember me going bananas a few years back at Houston by not trading out of #1 in the Williams/Bush draft to rebuild the O-line in one shot.The problem with mortgaging your future to move up and get a QB in the draft is that you commit a TON of money guaranteed to that player... if they then bust, you're virtually guaranteed to be in a financial hole for the foreseeable future since you're now going to have to commit even MORE money to the QB spot while being unable to release your top draft pick due to the cap hit caused by the accelerated signing bonus payout. I'd much rather take a shot on a guy like Roethlisberger, Flacco, Henne, Brees, etc.. in the mid-late first or early second round and see what you have before signing a guy to a contract with $50 million guaranteed. Seems like the % of QBs that develop into quality starters that are drafted mid 1st-mid 2nd round is not that different than the % drafted in the top 5.

 

[massraider]

My new prediction is the Browns will reach on an RB in round 1.

I think Accorsi will draft a QB if they don't think Quinn is the answer (and it sure seems they don't.) I remember Accorsi defending the move to get Manning by saying (paraphrased) : "Any time you have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB, you do it."With this QB class coming out that could theoretically rival the '83 draft for 1st round selections, and where the Browns will be drafting, I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him grab McCoy, Bradford, or Locker.

Agreed. Accorsi is also fond of discussing his role in drafting John Elway while GM in Baltimore; he really believes that a franchise passer is worth giving up a ton for, and largely its hard to argue with his logic. He has said repeatedly that if you get it right, any price that was paid on draft day seems small in comparison and, based on the way New Yorkers look at Eli, hard to say he was wrong there regardless of what many of us thought of the draft day trade.

I completely disagree with that view. I think the Steelers have a better model. They focus on trying to win at the line of scrimmage. They are willing to go with Brister or O'Donnell or Stewart or Maddox while they wait for a QB to fall to them in the draft like Ben did. It is NOT worth giving up a ton for.

Yeah, don't forget every other QB in between Bradshaw and Roth. You don't mind waiting 20 years? Gosh, you're patient.

 

[massraider]

My new prediction is the Browns will reach on an RB in round 1.

I think Accorsi will draft a QB if they don't think Quinn is the answer (and it sure seems they don't.) I remember Accorsi defending the move to get Manning by saying (paraphrased) : "Any time you have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB, you do it."With this QB class coming out that could theoretically rival the '83 draft for 1st round selections, and where the Browns will be drafting, I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him grab McCoy, Bradford, or Locker.

Agreed. Accorsi is also fond of discussing his role in drafting John Elway while GM in Baltimore; he really believes that a franchise passer is worth giving up a ton for, and largely its hard to argue with his logic. He has said repeatedly that if you get it right, any price that was paid on draft day seems small in comparison and, based on the way New Yorkers look at Eli, hard to say he was wrong there regardless of what many of us thought of the draft day trade.

I completely disagree with that view. I think the Steelers have a better model. They focus on trying to win at the line of scrimmage. They are willing to go with Brister or O'Donnell or Stewart or Maddox while they wait for a QB to fall to them in the draft like Ben did. It is NOT worth giving up a ton for.

The world must be ending, but I agree with you 100%, and not just vis-a-vis the Steelers. I really think you build a consistent winner by focusing on the lines... some will remember me going bananas a few years back at Houston by not trading out of #1 in the Williams/Bush draft to rebuild the O-line in one shot.The problem with mortgaging your future to move up and get a QB in the draft is that you commit a TON of money guaranteed to that player... if they then bust, you're virtually guaranteed to be in a financial hole for the foreseeable future since you're now going to have to commit even MORE money to the QB spot while being unable to release your top draft pick due to the cap hit caused by the accelerated signing bonus payout.

Who has ever been in this situation?

 

[kaa]

My new prediction is the Browns will reach on an RB in round 1.

I think Accorsi will draft a QB if they don't think Quinn is the answer (and it sure seems they don't.) I remember Accorsi defending the move to get Manning by saying (paraphrased) : "Any time you have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB, you do it."With this QB class coming out that could theoretically rival the '83 draft for 1st round selections, and where the Browns will be drafting, I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him grab McCoy, Bradford, or Locker.

Agreed. Accorsi is also fond of discussing his role in drafting John Elway while GM in Baltimore; he really believes that a franchise passer is worth giving up a ton for, and largely its hard to argue with his logic. He has said repeatedly that if you get it right, any price that was paid on draft day seems small in comparison and, based on the way New Yorkers look at Eli, hard to say he was wrong there regardless of what many of us thought of the draft day trade.

I completely disagree with that view. I think the Steelers have a better model. They focus on trying to win at the line of scrimmage. They are willing to go with Brister or O'Donnell or Stewart or Maddox while they wait for a QB to fall to them in the draft like Ben did. It is NOT worth giving up a ton for.

Yeah, don't forget every other QB in between Bradshaw and Roth. You don't mind waiting 20 years? Gosh, you're patient.

You don't need a stud QB to win a super bowl. You need to control the line of scrimmage though.

 

[kaa]

When a team wants to be a perennial contender, you can't expect to load up on high 1st round O-lineman because that means you're not very good each year.

I also want to correct this. My personal rule of thumb is to consider a "high draft pick" any pick in the first 4 rounds. I have never claimed you need to load up on high first round picks. Even by this measure, I believe Accorsi has only selected 5 offensive linemen in the first 4 rounds in 13 years of drafting. That's pathetic.1987 C Greg Rakoczy 2.041991 G Ed King 2.021999 T Luke Petitgout 1.192002 T Jeff Hatch 3.132004 G Chris Snee 2.02

 

[massraider]

You don't need a stud QB to win a super bowl. You need to control the line of scrimmage though.

And controlling the line without a franchise QB doesn't guarantee anything either. Behold the Vikings of the last few years.

 

[kaa]

You don't need a stud QB to win a super bowl. You need to control the line of scrimmage though.

And controlling the line without a franchise QB doesn't guarantee anything either. Behold the Vikings of the last few years.

The Vikings are a winning program because they control the line.

 

[Jason Wood]

I completely disagree with that view. I think the Steelers have a better model. They focus on trying to win at the line of scrimmage. They are willing to go with Brister or O'Donnell or Stewart or Maddox while they wait for a QB to fall to them in the draft like Ben did. It is NOT worth giving up a ton for.

The Steelers won the Super Bowl last year with one of the worst offensive lines in SB history, and it's been THE Achilles heel of this team, meanwhile they've overcome it with elite quarterbacking and opening up of the offense (along with a great defense). And they 'waited' for Big Ben all the way to the 11th pick. That's waiting? I hate the Giants, and have always thus rooted against Ernie Accorsi, but letting your views of what he did in his first stint in Cleveland or, more importantly, mischaracterizing his success in New York, won't serve you well. It's a really good thing Robert Kraft didn't do the same thing with Bill Belichick.

 

[kaa]

I completely disagree with that view. I think the Steelers have a better model. They focus on trying to win at the line of scrimmage. They are willing to go with Brister or O'Donnell or Stewart or Maddox while they wait for a QB to fall to them in the draft like Ben did. It is NOT worth giving up a ton for.

The Steelers won the Super Bowl last year with one of the worst offensive lines in SB history, and it's been THE Achilles heel of this team, meanwhile they've overcome it with elite quarterbacking and opening up of the offense (along with a great defense). And they 'waited' for Big Ben all the way to the 11th pick. That's waiting? I hate the Giants, and have always thus rooted against Ernie Accorsi, but letting your views of what he did in his first stint in Cleveland or, more importantly, mischaracterizing his success in New York, won't serve you well. It's a really good thing Robert Kraft didn't do the same thing with Bill Belichick.

Your comment about the Steelers Super Bowl win looks like the common mistake of making the exception the rule. You go up and down the list of super bowl champs and find one team that won it all with problems on the OL. Then you use that to justify not emphasizing building a team to win in the trenches. In reality, I think that just trying to be too smart by half, and ultimately making it more difficult to build a winner than it ought to be. Don't ovethink it.

 

[kaa]

Football is mostly a sport about blocking and tackling is what it comes down to.

 

[massraider]

You don't need a stud QB to win a super bowl. You need to control the line of scrimmage though.

And controlling the line without a franchise QB doesn't guarantee anything either. Behold the Vikings of the last few years.

The Vikings are a winning program because they control the line.

Well, that really doesn't answer my statement, does it?

 

[kaa]

You don't need a stud QB to win a super bowl. You need to control the line of scrimmage though.

And controlling the line without a franchise QB doesn't guarantee anything either. Behold the Vikings of the last few years.

The Vikings are a winning program because they control the line.

Well, that really doesn't answer my statement, does it?

You said it doesn't guarantee anything. I think it guarantees a winning program.

 

[Jason Wood]

I completely disagree with that view. I think the Steelers have a better model. They focus on trying to win at the line of scrimmage. They are willing to go with Brister or O'Donnell or Stewart or Maddox while they wait for a QB to fall to them in the draft like Ben did. It is NOT worth giving up a ton for.

The Steelers won the Super Bowl last year with one of the worst offensive lines in SB history, and it's been THE Achilles heel of this team, meanwhile they've overcome it with elite quarterbacking and opening up of the offense (along with a great defense). And they 'waited' for Big Ben all the way to the 11th pick. That's waiting? I hate the Giants, and have always thus rooted against Ernie Accorsi, but letting your views of what he did in his first stint in Cleveland or, more importantly, mischaracterizing his success in New York, won't serve you well. It's a really good thing Robert Kraft didn't do the same thing with Bill Belichick.

Your comment about the Steelers Super Bowl win looks like the common mistake of making the exception the rule. You go up and down the list of super bowl champs and find one team that won it all with problems on the OL. Then you use that to justify not emphasizing building a team to win in the trenches. In reality, I think that just trying to be too smart by half, and ultimately making it more difficult to build a winner than it ought to be. Don't ovethink it.

Actually kaa, you seem to be the one overthinking it. You point to Accorsi's lack of OL draft picks and completely ignore the fact he built one of the NFC's better offensive lines 'his way.' Accorsi is about as old school a GM as it gets and HANDILY believes that building a winning team starts with both offensive lines. Heck, Giants fans lost their minds over how many D-lineman Accorsi (and Reese, continuing the trend) have drafted and signed seemingly at the expense of other positions. Accorsi DID build a team in the trenches. When he left New York, they had the best OL/DL combination of personnel in the conference.

 

[kaa]

I completely disagree with that view. I think the Steelers have a better model. They focus on trying to win at the line of scrimmage. They are willing to go with Brister or O'Donnell or Stewart or Maddox while they wait for a QB to fall to them in the draft like Ben did. It is NOT worth giving up a ton for.

The Steelers won the Super Bowl last year with one of the worst offensive lines in SB history, and it's been THE Achilles heel of this team, meanwhile they've overcome it with elite quarterbacking and opening up of the offense (along with a great defense). And they 'waited' for Big Ben all the way to the 11th pick. That's waiting? I hate the Giants, and have always thus rooted against Ernie Accorsi, but letting your views of what he did in his first stint in Cleveland or, more importantly, mischaracterizing his success in New York, won't serve you well. It's a really good thing Robert Kraft didn't do the same thing with Bill Belichick.

Your comment about the Steelers Super Bowl win looks like the common mistake of making the exception the rule. You go up and down the list of super bowl champs and find one team that won it all with problems on the OL. Then you use that to justify not emphasizing building a team to win in the trenches. In reality, I think that just trying to be too smart by half, and ultimately making it more difficult to build a winner than it ought to be. Don't ovethink it.

Actually kaa, you seem to be the one overthinking it. You point to Accorsi's lack of OL draft picks and completely ignore the fact he built one of the NFC's better offensive lines 'his way.' Accorsi is about as old school a GM as it gets and HANDILY believes that building a winning team starts with both offensive lines. Heck, Giants fans lost their minds over how many D-lineman Accorsi (and Reese, continuing the trend) have drafted and signed seemingly at the expense of other positions. Accorsi DID build a team in the trenches. When he left New York, they had the best OL/DL combination of personnel in the conference.

The point I'm making is that yes they had a team that BRIEFLY seemed strong in both trenches but honestly it was done in an unconventional way and didn't last very long. They already look like the wheels have come off. If we're talking about building a program up, that's not how to do it.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Accorsi is about as old school a GM as it gets and HANDILY believes that building a winning team starts with both offensive lines.

Using two offensive lines seems more revolutionary than old-school to me.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Beej you might want to consider finding some new sources for your sports news as well.

 

[cowboyz]

Accorsi is about as old school a GM as it gets and HANDILY believes that building a winning team starts with both offensive lines.

Using two offensive lines seems more revolutionary than old-school to me.

?

 

[Sidewinder16]

Accorsi is about as old school a GM as it gets and HANDILY believes that building a winning team starts with both offensive lines.

Using two offensive lines seems more revolutionary than old-school to me.

 

[mr. furley]

Accorsi ABSOLUTELY will want his own guy. He rules with an iron fist (at least he did in New York) and had all the say in personnel matters and coaching hires. Mangini probably gets the rest of the season to win the 2010 job, but that seems unlikely.

No doubt about it. I also heard on the radio this AM that the Browns organization has been conducting both professional and personal investigations into Mangini. Not sure the veracity of that information, but if true, then they're just aching to get rid of him at season's end and are looking for a way to do so without paying out the rest of his contract.

heard this from Don Banks on Czaban this morning