Rumor--Fitzgerald to the Eagles? (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

Kent Somers, of The Arizona Republic, reports the Philadelphia Eagles are interested in acquiring Arizona Cardinals WR Larry Fitzgerald via trade. The Eagles have talked to the Cardinals about acquiring Fitzgerald in a trade that would involve CB Lito Sheppard and WR Reggie Brown.

That would be interesting indeed. Could revive Reggie Brown's value also as a #2 across from Boldin.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Its been mentioned all over this board

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

As an anti-Lion fan, I'd love this trade...they've been trying to get Shepard as well....

 

[gianmarco]

Its been mentioned all over this board

Fitz to the Eagles? Yes, it has. For Reggie Brown and Sheppard? I hadn't seen that as part of what the Eagles were going to give up. If that's been mentioned as well, forgive the repost. Otherwise, adds fuel to the suspicion of this possibly happening. The only thing I heard previously was that Philly was interested and that was all.

 

[zadok]

Its been mentioned all over this board

Fitz to the Eagles? Yes, it has. For Reggie Brown and Sheppard? I hadn't seen that as part of what the Eagles were going to give up. If that's been mentioned as well, forgive the repost. Otherwise, adds fuel to the suspicion of this possibly happening. The only thing I heard previously was that Philly was interested and that was all.

Check the Eagles offseason thread for lots of tidbits...

 

[gianmarco]

Its been mentioned all over this board

Fitz to the Eagles? Yes, it has. For Reggie Brown and Sheppard? I hadn't seen that as part of what the Eagles were going to give up. If that's been mentioned as well, forgive the repost. Otherwise, adds fuel to the suspicion of this possibly happening. The only thing I heard previously was that Philly was interested and that was all.

Check the Eagles offseason thread for lots of tidbits...

Sorry, not an Eagles fan and just don't visit every official team thread to find stuff. If it's buried there, then my apologies. But, this could potentially be a big trade if it's even remotely true and thought it deserved its own mention for others like me that don't read through 13 pages of every team's doings.

 

[delusional]

Sheppard AND Brown? Don't see it happening. Cap hit would be too much for Brown

 

[prymetyme25]

Sheppard AND Brown? Don't see it happening. Cap hit would be too much for Brown

Cap hit?I think he was the late first round pick. The contracts drop off dramatically after like 15 i think. And plus he's on the 4th year of it so most of the signing bonus should be paid off.

 

[PHILLYHAWK]

Sheppard AND Brown? Don't see it happening. Cap hit would be too much for Brown

Cap hit?I think he was the late first round pick. The contracts drop off dramatically after like 15 i think. And plus he's on the 4th year of it so most of the signing bonus should be paid off.

Brown was a 2nd rnd pick...

 

[Zoomanji]

Sheppard AND Brown? Don't see it happening. Cap hit would be too much for Brown

Cap hit?I think he was the late first round pick. The contracts drop off dramatically after like 15 i think. And plus he's on the 4th year of it so most of the signing bonus should be paid off.

he signed a large extension in 2006.In the other thread its speculated the cap hit could be 6 million.

 

[prymetyme25]

Sheppard AND Brown? Don't see it happening. Cap hit would be too much for Brown

Cap hit?I think he was the late first round pick. The contracts drop off dramatically after like 15 i think. And plus he's on the 4th year of it so most of the signing bonus should be paid off.

Brown was a 2nd rnd pick...

I saw that on the FBG player bio but i could have sworn he was taken with the 22th pick.... maybe that was roddy white. Either way trading him would have little to no cap implecations.

 

[GoBirds]

Sheppard AND Brown? Don't see it happening. Cap hit would be too much for Brown

Cap hit?I think he was the late first round pick. The contracts drop off dramatically after like 15 i think. And plus he's on the 4th year of it so most of the signing bonus should be paid off.

Brown was a 2nd rnd pick...

I saw that on the FBG player bio but i could have sworn he was taken with the 22th pick.... maybe that was roddy white. Either way trading him would have little to no cap implecations.

He went early 2nd and signed an extension in 06' I believe. Have read that the hit would be $8 mil due to signing bonus, don't see how they would do it.

 

[vandyt]

Sheppard AND Brown? Don't see it happening. Cap hit would be too much for Brown

Cap hit?I think he was the late first round pick. The contracts drop off dramatically after like 15 i think. And plus he's on the 4th year of it so most of the signing bonus should be paid off.

Brown was a 2nd rnd pick...

I saw that on the FBG player bio but i could have sworn he was taken with the 22th pick.... maybe that was roddy white. Either way trading him would have little to no cap implecations.

He went early 2nd and signed an extension in 06' I believe. Have read that the hit would be $8 mil due to signing bonus, don't see how they would do it.

5 yrs, $27 mil after the 2006 season. $10 mil guaranteed.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

 

[Phurfur]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

 

[gianmarco]

Since they released Spikes, doesn't that help out a lot? Wasn't he like 4 or 5 million himself against the cap?

 

[Zoomanji]

Since they released Spikes, doesn't that help out a lot? Wasn't he like 4 or 5 million himself against the cap?

5 million. Check page 13 of the Eagles thread, its all there.ETA- Post 613 and post 626 to the end.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

 

[J R]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

Because the Eagles are good.

 

[Slider]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

He would like a playoff game?

 

[Pat Patriot]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

Because the Eagles are good.

Last time I checked, both teams finished 8-8 last year. The Cardinals were closer to the playoffs than the Eagles.

 

[Max Power]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

Because the Eagles are good.

Last time I checked, both teams finished 8-8 last year. The Cardinals were closer to the playoffs than the Eagles.

who couldn't go 8-8 in the NFC West?

 

[Pat Patriot]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

Because the Eagles are good.

Last time I checked, both teams finished 8-8 last year. The Cardinals were closer to the playoffs than the Eagles.

who couldn't go 8-8 in the NFC West?

You actually think the Eagles are good?

 

[Max Power]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

Because the Eagles are good.

Last time I checked, both teams finished 8-8 last year. The Cardinals were closer to the playoffs than the Eagles.

who couldn't go 8-8 in the NFC West?

You actually think the Eagles are good?

They need some work, but yes they are better than Arizona if that's what you are asking.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

The owner is pretty cheap in Arizona (Bidwell). Fitz has ~$30M coming to him this year and next. Both sides want to renegotiate, but not how Fitz likes it. He wants $30M coming to him, which I don't have a problem with - but I doubt the structure is favorable in his mind.If Bidwell wants to lock Fitz up for 6-7 years and spread the $30M out >2 years, that's two issues. First is the $30M by the end of 2009 - that's a dealbreaker. Second is the time - Fitz wants the shot at a second big deal before he turns 30. I can't blame him in either respect.

Philly offers better talent on both sides of the ball (overall, Az has a better passing game with Fitz and Boldin) and an owner who isn't afraid to pay bigger money up front and sign shorter term deals. The only longer deals the Eagles have done have been with McNabb - the rest may include some 4 or more year deals, but again contracts in the NFL are 1-year options and if you cut someone early no money comes out of pocket. A cap hit may ensue, but at least the guaranteed big $ (like $5M to Takeo Spikes) is not on the docket.

The Eagles could come out of pocket for $30M or more as a signing bonus - and do it over 5 years or less. I don't know if Bidwell will do either.

 

[vandyt]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

The owner is pretty cheap in Arizona (Bidwell). Fitz has ~$30M coming to him this year and next. Both sides want to renegotiate, but not how Fitz likes it. He wants $30M coming to him, which I don't have a problem with - but I doubt the structure is favorable in his mind.If Bidwell wants to lock Fitz up for 6-7 years and spread the $30M out >2 years, that's two issues. First is the $30M by the end of 2009 - that's a dealbreaker. Second is the time - Fitz wants the shot at a second big deal before he turns 30. I can't blame him in either respect.

Philly offers better talent on both sides of the ball (overall, Az has a better passing game with Fitz and Boldin) and an owner who isn't afraid to pay bigger money up front and sign shorter term deals. The only longer deals the Eagles have done have been with McNabb - the rest may include some 4 or more year deals, but again contracts in the NFL are 1-year options and if you cut someone early no money comes out of pocket. A cap hit may ensue, but at least the guaranteed big $ (like $5M to Takeo Spikes) is not on the docket.

The Eagles could come out of pocket for $30M or more as a signing bonus - and do it over 5 years or less. I don't know if Bidwell will do either.

And lets not forget that the Eagles don't spread the ball around...3500 or so of the Eagles passing yards will go to their top 3 WRs...they dont throw to their backup TEs, WRs or RBs at all.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

The owner is pretty cheap in Arizona (Bidwell). Fitz has ~$30M coming to him this year and next. Both sides want to renegotiate, but not how Fitz likes it. He wants $30M coming to him, which I don't have a problem with - but I doubt the structure is favorable in his mind.If Bidwell wants to lock Fitz up for 6-7 years and spread the $30M out >2 years, that's two issues. First is the $30M by the end of 2009 - that's a dealbreaker. Second is the time - Fitz wants the shot at a second big deal before he turns 30. I can't blame him in either respect.

Philly offers better talent on both sides of the ball (overall, Az has a better passing game with Fitz and Boldin) and an owner who isn't afraid to pay bigger money up front and sign shorter term deals. The only longer deals the Eagles have done have been with McNabb - the rest may include some 4 or more year deals, but again contracts in the NFL are 1-year options and if you cut someone early no money comes out of pocket. A cap hit may ensue, but at least the guaranteed big $ (like $5M to Takeo Spikes) is not on the docket.

The Eagles could come out of pocket for $30M or more as a signing bonus - and do it over 5 years or less. I don't know if Bidwell will do either.

And lets not forget that the Eagles don't spread the ball around...3500 or so of the Eagles passing yards will go to their top 3 WRs...they dont throw to their backup TEs, WRs or RBs at all.

I can only assume this is sarcasm, although I don't know what your point is.

We spread it around because our WRs suck. When we have a stud WR, we feed them the ball.

Last time we had a stud WR was 2004. Owens has 1200 yards. That's 31% of McNabbs passing yardage that year.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

The owner is pretty cheap in Arizona (Bidwell). Fitz has ~$30M coming to him this year and next. Both sides want to renegotiate, but not how Fitz likes it. He wants $30M coming to him, which I don't have a problem with - but I doubt the structure is favorable in his mind.If Bidwell wants to lock Fitz up for 6-7 years and spread the $30M out >2 years, that's two issues. First is the $30M by the end of 2009 - that's a dealbreaker. Second is the time - Fitz wants the shot at a second big deal before he turns 30. I can't blame him in either respect.

Philly offers better talent on both sides of the ball (overall, Az has a better passing game with Fitz and Boldin) and an owner who isn't afraid to pay bigger money up front and sign shorter term deals. The only longer deals the Eagles have done have been with McNabb - the rest may include some 4 or more year deals, but again contracts in the NFL are 1-year options and if you cut someone early no money comes out of pocket. A cap hit may ensue, but at least the guaranteed big $ (like $5M to Takeo Spikes) is not on the docket.

The Eagles could come out of pocket for $30M or more as a signing bonus - and do it over 5 years or less. I don't know if Bidwell will do either.

Which Defense has better talent:Philly

Trent Cole

Mike Patterson

Broderick Bunkley

Jaqua Thomas

Omar Gaither

Stewart Bradley

Chris Gocong

Asante Samuel

Sheldon Brown

Brian Dawkins

Quinton Mickell

Arizona

Antonio Smith

Gabe Watson

Darnell Dockett

Bert Berry

Daryl Blackstock

Gerald Hayes

Karlos Dansby

Rod Hood

Antrel Rolle

Adrian Wilson

Terrence Holt

I think who has better talent is debateable. Zona gave up 6 more points a game compared to Philly last year but injuries to Adrian Wilson and Bert Berry had a lot to do with that.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

The owner is pretty cheap in Arizona (Bidwell). Fitz has ~$30M coming to him this year and next. Both sides want to renegotiate, but not how Fitz likes it. He wants $30M coming to him, which I don't have a problem with - but I doubt the structure is favorable in his mind.If Bidwell wants to lock Fitz up for 6-7 years and spread the $30M out >2 years, that's two issues. First is the $30M by the end of 2009 - that's a dealbreaker. Second is the time - Fitz wants the shot at a second big deal before he turns 30. I can't blame him in either respect.

Philly offers better talent on both sides of the ball (overall, Az has a better passing game with Fitz and Boldin) and an owner who isn't afraid to pay bigger money up front and sign shorter term deals. The only longer deals the Eagles have done have been with McNabb - the rest may include some 4 or more year deals, but again contracts in the NFL are 1-year options and if you cut someone early no money comes out of pocket. A cap hit may ensue, but at least the guaranteed big $ (like $5M to Takeo Spikes) is not on the docket.

The Eagles could come out of pocket for $30M or more as a signing bonus - and do it over 5 years or less. I don't know if Bidwell will do either.

And lets not forget that the Eagles don't spread the ball around...3500 or so of the Eagles passing yards will go to their top 3 WRs...they dont throw to their backup TEs, WRs or RBs at all.

I can only assume this is sarcasm, although I don't know what your point is.

We spread it around because our WRs suck. When we have a stud WR, we feed them the ball.

Last time we had a stud WR was 2004. Owens has 1200 yards. That's 31% of McNabbs passing yardage that year.

LastDispatch...I think you misread his post. You're saying the same thing he said...

 

[Bushead]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

The owner is pretty cheap in Arizona (Bidwell). Fitz has ~$30M coming to him this year and next. Both sides want to renegotiate, but not how Fitz likes it. He wants $30M coming to him, which I don't have a problem with - but I doubt the structure is favorable in his mind.If Bidwell wants to lock Fitz up for 6-7 years and spread the $30M out >2 years, that's two issues. First is the $30M by the end of 2009 - that's a dealbreaker. Second is the time - Fitz wants the shot at a second big deal before he turns 30. I can't blame him in either respect.

Philly offers better talent on both sides of the ball (overall, Az has a better passing game with Fitz and Boldin) and an owner who isn't afraid to pay bigger money up front and sign shorter term deals. The only longer deals the Eagles have done have been with McNabb - the rest may include some 4 or more year deals, but again contracts in the NFL are 1-year options and if you cut someone early no money comes out of pocket. A cap hit may ensue, but at least the guaranteed big $ (like $5M to Takeo Spikes) is not on the docket.

The Eagles could come out of pocket for $30M or more as a signing bonus - and do it over 5 years or less. I don't know if Bidwell will do either.

Which Defense has better talent:Philly

Trent Cole

Mike Patterson

Broderick Bunkley

Jaqua Thomas

Omar Gaither

Stewart Bradley

Chris Gocong

Asante Samuel

Sheldon Brown

Brian Dawkins

Quinton Mickell

Arizona

Antonio Smith

Gabe Watson

Darnell Dockett

Bert Berry

Daryl Blackstock

Gerald Hayes

Karlos Dansby

Rod Hood

Antrel Rolle

Adrian Wilson

Terrence Holt

I think who has better talent is debateable. Zona gave up 6 more points a game compared to Philly last year but injuries to Adrian Wilson and Bert Berry had a lot to do with that.

Well to be fair, Dawkins and Sheppard were hurt for stretchs last year as well for the Eagles.Also, to put the 6 points you mention in context, it was the difference between the Eagles at #9 in points against and Arizona at #27.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

The owner is pretty cheap in Arizona (Bidwell). Fitz has ~$30M coming to him this year and next. Both sides want to renegotiate, but not how Fitz likes it. He wants $30M coming to him, which I don't have a problem with - but I doubt the structure is favorable in his mind.If Bidwell wants to lock Fitz up for 6-7 years and spread the $30M out >2 years, that's two issues. First is the $30M by the end of 2009 - that's a dealbreaker. Second is the time - Fitz wants the shot at a second big deal before he turns 30. I can't blame him in either respect.

Philly offers better talent on both sides of the ball (overall, Az has a better passing game with Fitz and Boldin) and an owner who isn't afraid to pay bigger money up front and sign shorter term deals. The only longer deals the Eagles have done have been with McNabb - the rest may include some 4 or more year deals, but again contracts in the NFL are 1-year options and if you cut someone early no money comes out of pocket. A cap hit may ensue, but at least the guaranteed big $ (like $5M to Takeo Spikes) is not on the docket.

The Eagles could come out of pocket for $30M or more as a signing bonus - and do it over 5 years or less. I don't know if Bidwell will do either.

Which Defense has better talent:Philly

Trent Cole

Mike Patterson

Broderick Bunkley

Jaqua Thomas

Omar Gaither

Stewart Bradley

Chris Gocong

Asante Samuel

Sheldon Brown

Brian Dawkins

Quinton Mickell

Arizona

Antonio Smith

Gabe Watson

Darnell Dockett

Bert Berry

Daryl Blackstock

Gerald Hayes

Karlos Dansby

Rod Hood

Antrel Rolle

Adrian Wilson

Terrence Holt

I think who has better talent is debateable. Zona gave up 6 more points a game compared to Philly last year but injuries to Adrian Wilson and Bert Berry had a lot to do with that.

Well to be fair, Dawkins and Sheppard were hurt for stretchs last year as well for the Eagles.Also, to put the 6 points you mention in context, it was the difference between the Eagles at #9 in points against and Arizona at #27.

Good points. I just think the talent is pretty equal. Maybe it is just that Jim Johnson is a much better coach than the Arizona DC. Maybe it is because the Arizona offense turns the ball over more than Philly and puts the D in bad position. Maybe it is because of the style of offense they play lends them more to shootouts.I think the DLines are pretty close. They both have good young D tackles. Arizona has better LB'ers and Philly has a better secondary although Dawkins is on his last legs.

I would think that being able to live and play in sunny Pheonix would trump any perceived slight edge that Philly might have in overall talent.

Pasquino made it sound like it was a matter of fact that the Eagles have better talent. I dont think there is that big a difference. Philly had net pts of +36 last year and Zona was +5. I think that speaks to pretty comparable talent.

 

[Bushead]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

The owner is pretty cheap in Arizona (Bidwell). Fitz has ~$30M coming to him this year and next. Both sides want to renegotiate, but not how Fitz likes it. He wants $30M coming to him, which I don't have a problem with - but I doubt the structure is favorable in his mind.If Bidwell wants to lock Fitz up for 6-7 years and spread the $30M out >2 years, that's two issues. First is the $30M by the end of 2009 - that's a dealbreaker. Second is the time - Fitz wants the shot at a second big deal before he turns 30. I can't blame him in either respect.

Philly offers better talent on both sides of the ball (overall, Az has a better passing game with Fitz and Boldin) and an owner who isn't afraid to pay bigger money up front and sign shorter term deals. The only longer deals the Eagles have done have been with McNabb - the rest may include some 4 or more year deals, but again contracts in the NFL are 1-year options and if you cut someone early no money comes out of pocket. A cap hit may ensue, but at least the guaranteed big $ (like $5M to Takeo Spikes) is not on the docket.

The Eagles could come out of pocket for $30M or more as a signing bonus - and do it over 5 years or less. I don't know if Bidwell will do either.

Which Defense has better talent:Philly

Trent Cole

Mike Patterson

Broderick Bunkley

Jaqua Thomas

Omar Gaither

Stewart Bradley

Chris Gocong

Asante Samuel

Sheldon Brown

Brian Dawkins

Quinton Mickell

Arizona

Antonio Smith

Gabe Watson

Darnell Dockett

Bert Berry

Daryl Blackstock

Gerald Hayes

Karlos Dansby

Rod Hood

Antrel Rolle

Adrian Wilson

Terrence Holt

I think who has better talent is debateable. Zona gave up 6 more points a game compared to Philly last year but injuries to Adrian Wilson and Bert Berry had a lot to do with that.

Well to be fair, Dawkins and Sheppard were hurt for stretchs last year as well for the Eagles.Also, to put the 6 points you mention in context, it was the difference between the Eagles at #9 in points against and Arizona at #27.

Good points. I just think the talent is pretty equal. Maybe it is just that Jim Johnson is a much better coach than the Arizona DC. Maybe it is because the Arizona offense turns the ball over more than Philly and puts the D in bad position. Maybe it is because of the style of offense they play lends them more to shootouts.I think the DLines are pretty close. They both have good young D tackles. Arizona has better LB'ers and Philly has a better secondary although Dawkins is on his last legs.

I would think that being able to live and play in sunny Pheonix would trump any perceived slight edge that Philly might have in overall talent.

Pasquino made it sound like it was a matter of fact that the Eagles have better talent. I dont think there is that big a difference. Philly had net pts of +36 last year and Zona was +5. I think that speaks to pretty comparable talent.

Fair enough, I tend to agree with Pasquino, but I also view things through some green shaded lenses. I also don't follow the Cardinals close enough to have a good handle on the non skill positions.I think to some extent, Philly presents a better market for Fitz - perhaps more exposure for him outside of a direct football contract. Just my baseless opinion and probably doesn't mean much anyway.

The main thing that I think comes into play still is the money. Philly can afford to pay him right now, Arizona can't (or at least my understanding is that they are at or near the cap right now). I am no expert in the field, but with all this talk about him needing to restructure to help them out - what are they really going to save in cap room if he does? They are still going to be stuck with at least 10 mil this year even if they extend him. So they save roughly 4 mil in cap space? Is that really going to help much with aquiring other players as they have claimed they are currently handicapped from doing? ESPN was reporting yesterday that they still need to sign/resign a dozen players to field a full team.

While I fully admit I would be disgusted to have to give up a player like him from my team, it just seems like restructure or not, the current financial status of the Cardinals and the players under contract is going to force their hand.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

The owner is pretty cheap in Arizona (Bidwell). Fitz has ~$30M coming to him this year and next. Both sides want to renegotiate, but not how Fitz likes it. He wants $30M coming to him, which I don't have a problem with - but I doubt the structure is favorable in his mind.If Bidwell wants to lock Fitz up for 6-7 years and spread the $30M out >2 years, that's two issues. First is the $30M by the end of 2009 - that's a dealbreaker. Second is the time - Fitz wants the shot at a second big deal before he turns 30. I can't blame him in either respect.

Philly offers better talent on both sides of the ball (overall, Az has a better passing game with Fitz and Boldin) and an owner who isn't afraid to pay bigger money up front and sign shorter term deals. The only longer deals the Eagles have done have been with McNabb - the rest may include some 4 or more year deals, but again contracts in the NFL are 1-year options and if you cut someone early no money comes out of pocket. A cap hit may ensue, but at least the guaranteed big $ (like $5M to Takeo Spikes) is not on the docket.

The Eagles could come out of pocket for $30M or more as a signing bonus - and do it over 5 years or less. I don't know if Bidwell will do either.

And lets not forget that the Eagles don't spread the ball around...3500 or so of the Eagles passing yards will go to their top 3 WRs...they dont throw to their backup TEs, WRs or RBs at all.

I can only assume this is sarcasm, although I don't know what your point is.

We spread it around because our WRs suck. When we have a stud WR, we feed them the ball.

Last time we had a stud WR was 2004. Owens has 1200 yards. That's 31% of McNabbs passing yardage that year.

LastDispatch...I think you misread his post. You're saying the same thing he said...

I think he was being sarcastic (?) because it's entirely inaccurate to say the Eagles don't spread the ball around. He was either being sarcastic or is just dead wrong. I assumed he was being sarcastic, implying the Eagles spread the ball around too much for Fitz to want to be here.

 

[vandyt]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

The owner is pretty cheap in Arizona (Bidwell). Fitz has ~$30M coming to him this year and next. Both sides want to renegotiate, but not how Fitz likes it. He wants $30M coming to him, which I don't have a problem with - but I doubt the structure is favorable in his mind.If Bidwell wants to lock Fitz up for 6-7 years and spread the $30M out >2 years, that's two issues. First is the $30M by the end of 2009 - that's a dealbreaker. Second is the time - Fitz wants the shot at a second big deal before he turns 30. I can't blame him in either respect.

Philly offers better talent on both sides of the ball (overall, Az has a better passing game with Fitz and Boldin) and an owner who isn't afraid to pay bigger money up front and sign shorter term deals. The only longer deals the Eagles have done have been with McNabb - the rest may include some 4 or more year deals, but again contracts in the NFL are 1-year options and if you cut someone early no money comes out of pocket. A cap hit may ensue, but at least the guaranteed big $ (like $5M to Takeo Spikes) is not on the docket.

The Eagles could come out of pocket for $30M or more as a signing bonus - and do it over 5 years or less. I don't know if Bidwell will do either.

And lets not forget that the Eagles don't spread the ball around...3500 or so of the Eagles passing yards will go to their top 3 WRs...they dont throw to their backup TEs, WRs or RBs at all.

I can only assume this is sarcasm, although I don't know what your point is.

We spread it around because our WRs suck. When we have a stud WR, we feed them the ball.

Last time we had a stud WR was 2004. Owens has 1200 yards. That's 31% of McNabbs passing yardage that year.

LastDispatch...I think you misread his post. You're saying the same thing he said...

I think he was being sarcastic (?) because it's entirely inaccurate to say the Eagles don't spread the ball around. He was either being sarcastic or is just dead wrong. I assumed he was being sarcastic, implying the Eagles spread the ball around too much for Fitz to want to be here.

None of the above; its a reference to something from this board that was pre-FFtoday influx.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

The only reason why Arizona would trade Fitz is because he wont rework his deal. What makes you think that he would rework his deal for the Eagles if he wont for the Cardinals?

The owner is pretty cheap in Arizona (Bidwell). Fitz has ~$30M coming to him this year and next. Both sides want to renegotiate, but not how Fitz likes it. He wants $30M coming to him, which I don't have a problem with - but I doubt the structure is favorable in his mind.If Bidwell wants to lock Fitz up for 6-7 years and spread the $30M out >2 years, that's two issues. First is the $30M by the end of 2009 - that's a dealbreaker. Second is the time - Fitz wants the shot at a second big deal before he turns 30. I can't blame him in either respect.

Philly offers better talent on both sides of the ball (overall, Az has a better passing game with Fitz and Boldin) and an owner who isn't afraid to pay bigger money up front and sign shorter term deals. The only longer deals the Eagles have done have been with McNabb - the rest may include some 4 or more year deals, but again contracts in the NFL are 1-year options and if you cut someone early no money comes out of pocket. A cap hit may ensue, but at least the guaranteed big $ (like $5M to Takeo Spikes) is not on the docket.

The Eagles could come out of pocket for $30M or more as a signing bonus - and do it over 5 years or less. I don't know if Bidwell will do either.

Which Defense has better talent:Philly

Trent Cole

Mike Patterson

Broderick Bunkley

Jaqua Thomas

Omar Gaither

Stewart Bradley

Chris Gocong

Asante Samuel

Sheldon Brown

Brian Dawkins

Quinton Mickell

Arizona

Antonio Smith

Gabe Watson

Darnell Dockett

Bert Berry

Daryl Blackstock

Gerald Hayes

Karlos Dansby

Rod Hood

Antrel Rolle

Adrian Wilson

Terrence Holt

I think who has better talent is debateable. Zona gave up 6 more points a game compared to Philly last year but injuries to Adrian Wilson and Bert Berry had a lot to do with that.

Well to be fair, Dawkins and Sheppard were hurt for stretchs last year as well for the Eagles.Also, to put the 6 points you mention in context, it was the difference between the Eagles at #9 in points against and Arizona at #27.

Good points. I just think the talent is pretty equal. Maybe it is just that Jim Johnson is a much better coach than the Arizona DC. Maybe it is because the Arizona offense turns the ball over more than Philly and puts the D in bad position. Maybe it is because of the style of offense they play lends them more to shootouts.I think the DLines are pretty close. They both have good young D tackles. Arizona has better LB'ers and Philly has a better secondary although Dawkins is on his last legs.

I would think that being able to live and play in sunny Pheonix would trump any perceived slight edge that Philly might have in overall talent.

Pasquino made it sound like it was a matter of fact that the Eagles have better talent. I dont think there is that big a difference. Philly had net pts of +36 last year and Zona was +5. I think that speaks to pretty comparable talent.

Fair enough, I tend to agree with Pasquino, but I also view things through some green shaded lenses. I also don't follow the Cardinals close enough to have a good handle on the non skill positions.I think to some extent, Philly presents a better market for Fitz - perhaps more exposure for him outside of a direct football contract. Just my baseless opinion and probably doesn't mean much anyway.

The main thing that I think comes into play still is the money. Philly can afford to pay him right now, Arizona can't (or at least my understanding is that they are at or near the cap right now). I am no expert in the field, but with all this talk about him needing to restructure to help them out - what are they really going to save in cap room if he does? They are still going to be stuck with at least 10 mil this year even if they extend him. So they save roughly 4 mil in cap space? Is that really going to help much with aquiring other players as they have claimed they are currently handicapped from doing? ESPN was reporting yesterday that they still need to sign/resign a dozen players to field a full team.

While I fully admit I would be disgusted to have to give up a player like him from my team, it just seems like restructure or not, the current financial status of the Cardinals and the players under contract is going to force their hand.

This is getting to be a long post to quote, but I agree that overall the talent is similar, but right now the Eagles have two things in their favor - postseason experience and a better coach in Jim Johnson. The Cards have good talent but they seem to be less of a cohesive defense. The Eagles lacked for turnovers last year but that could be more anomalous as an "off-year" than not.

Both team defenses are good, but I give the slight nod to Philly.

As for points against, that's not a great metric. Turnovers and goal line defense (along with 3rd down defense) would be better metrics. Philly's great at the goal line. They usually don't do well with yards against. I mentioned the turnover issues.

Rather than dig for numbers to support the answer either way, feel free to check me - my answer is a bit subjective. Both teams are certainly better than average, but neither are stellar.

 

[scratcher]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

This seems like way too much to pay for a WR. That would mean cap hit of 10 mil + salary for Fitz. Assuming Fitz costs us about 10 mil next year, thats about 20 million tied up in this trade. With about 27.5 million left after the signings so far, that would leave ~7 mil for rookies. Let me know if my math is erroneous somewhere but that seems like way too much money in one person. Eagles seem to be going SB or bust this year but there has to be another option...

 

[Pat Patriot]

Believe the word is Sheppard, Brown, AND a 2nd for Fitz.

I would say he is worth it. A top WR with no baggage and no ego to feed is priceless.

I'd do it too, but big cap problems for the Eagles. As someone posted in the Eagles thread, Reggie would count $8m and Lito another $2m, then they have to work out Fitz's deal which would likely be very large.I'd love for it to happen but I'm not sure if the numbers can work out.

This seems like way too much to pay for a WR. That would mean cap hit of 10 mil + salary for Fitz. Assuming Fitz costs us about 10 mil next year, thats about 20 million tied up in this trade. With about 27.5 million left after the signings so far, that would leave ~7 mil for rookies. Let me know if my math is erroneous somewhere but that seems like way too much money in one person. Eagles seem to be going SB or bust this year but there has to be another option...

I'm not sure if Philly is SB or bust. They have signed Samuel and a relatively cheap DE. They havent gone crazy like the Pats last year.