RUMOR - Mike Shanahan back as an Offensive Coordinator? (1 Viewer)

[Cecil Lammey]

RUMOR

just wanted a little discussion from the SP here about coach Mike Shanahan.

As discussed by my GB Scott Hastings today on FM 104.3 the Fan, the CU Buffs could be looking for a new coach after the end of the season.

From what Scott has heard, the Buffs could be interested in Kyle Shanahan as head coach. Of course, Kyle is the OC for the Houston Texans (working under former Shanny disciple Gary Kubiak).

The real kicker is that the Buffs could want a father/son deal here, like the one that Tennessee got with the Kiffins.

Kyle - Buffs head coach

Mike - Buffs offensive coordinator

Again, just a RUMOR but I am curious to hear where the SP thinks Mike Shanahan (or Kyle) could end up in the near future.

discuss

 

[a_troll00]

Mike could possibly do this IF there are no job openings he wants in the NFL. If Mike has the opportunity to reunite with Cutler in Chicago you know he will jump on that opportunity.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

PLEASE take any job in college. RBBC is hard enough without shanny in the nfl.

 

[BusMan]

Other than the money discrepancy (which is huge) I totally understand the appeal of moving to college ball. I can't imagine Shanahan would be given the opportunity to turn down Snyder twice in less than a year, and I'm not sure he would find any of the other openings in the NFL that appealing. Chicago makes the most sense, provided Lovie Smith doesn't salvage the season. Shanny went to college in Illinois and Cutler would be a big draw for him in the Second City. Would Angelo grant him the personnel autonomy he desires? GM/HC hybrids are a (justly) dying breed...

Desirable Options:

1) Chicago

2) Do nothing and keep getting paid by Pat Bowlen

3) CU with his son (if it happens)

 

[Jason Wood]

As a CU fan (and a long-suffering one), I would love for this to be true. But I can't fathom it's the case.

 

[BRONG]

As a CU fan (and a long-suffering one), I would love for this to be true. But I can't fathom it's the case.

What? How (and why) are you a CU fan?

 

[Cecil Lammey]

As a CU fan (and a long-suffering one), I would love for this to be true. But I can't fathom it's the case.

Imagine the recruiting impact, it would be HUGE for the program. Seems like a longshot to me too Woodrow, but Scotty heard this from a pretty good source.

 

[sparkky]

I have no idea about young Shanny and his future but Dad Shanny will have his pick of any number of NFL jobs he would show interest in this off season.

I suspect he could even get a few coaches fired that aren't really considered "on the hot seat" right now just by committing to take the job.

 

[Mile High]

Interesting. Not to derail this. Any idea why CU doesn't seem to show any interest in Dave Logan, when lot's and lot's of CU fans would love this.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

I at first read "Buffalo", and given the firing of Jauron it seemed plausible but I was stunned that that would be Shanny's choice, and especially so soon.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Interesting. Not to derail this. Any idea why CU doesn't seem to show any interest in Dave Logan, when lot's and lot's of CU fans would love this.

Logan's getting some interest (and has in the past, makes a lot of sense) but I feel he's waiting until the right time to make the jump from uber-successful high school coach and into the college ranks.I was hoping he would get the job instead of Hawkins.

 

[Buffaloes]

As a CU fan (and a long-suffering one), I would love for this to be true. But I can't fathom it's the case.

 

[Velcro]

Honestly, and without having joined the Shanahan family for Thanksgiving dinner, I don't see this being that attractive. Seriously. How many people out there would want their fathers having responsibility to them in their jobs? How many fathers would want to have to answer to their sons? If coordinators and HCs clash already, can you imagine how much more intense the fight would be if it were family?

Sounds like a fairytale maybe, but this would be an absolute clusterf__ in real life. Like asking the D-Coordinator Ryan (first name eludes me right now) to go work for his brother in NY.

 

[Ghost Rider]

No offense to Buffalo, but I can't see Shanahan wanting to go there, especially since there should be some good job openings in the offseason, several of which will be much more attractive than Buffalo (which, fair or not, is considered a wasteland to a lot of people).

 

[thatguy]

That would be awesome. I don't see it happening.

 

[Limp Ditka]

No offense to Buffalo, but I can't see Shanahan wanting to go there, especially since there should be some good job openings in the offseason, several of which will be much more attractive than Buffalo (which, fair or not, is considered a wasteland to a lot of people).

 

[thatguy]

Honestly, and without having joined the Shanahan family for Thanksgiving dinner, I don't see this being that attractive. Seriously. How many people out there would want their fathers having responsibility to them in their jobs? How many fathers would want to have to answer to their sons? If coordinators and HCs clash already, can you imagine how much more intense the fight would be if it were family?Sounds like a fairytale maybe, but this would be an absolute clusterf__ in real life. Like asking the D-Coordinator Ryan (first name eludes me right now) to go work for his brother in NY.

I dunno. I would think that it might be a pretty good working relationship. I could actually see Kyle just listening to his father early on, and Shanny being the only actually running the show. Let his dad teach him the ropes for a few years, get him some good recruits, propel the program back into relevance, if you will, and then leave for the NFL.

 

[thatguy]

No offense to Buffalo, but I can't see Shanahan wanting to go there, especially since there should be some good job openings in the offseason, several of which will be much more attractive than Buffalo (which, fair or not, is considered a wasteland to a lot of people).

Pretty sure this is how most people see it. Not many, I wouldn't think, were expecting Shanny to have even a remote interest in Buffalo.

 

[SSOG]

Honestly, and without having joined the Shanahan family for Thanksgiving dinner, I don't see this being that attractive. Seriously. How many people out there would want their fathers having responsibility to them in their jobs? How many fathers would want to have to answer to their sons? If coordinators and HCs clash already, can you imagine how much more intense the fight would be if it were family?Sounds like a fairytale maybe, but this would be an absolute clusterf__ in real life. Like asking the D-Coordinator Ryan (first name eludes me right now) to go work for his brother in NY.

It works for the Kiffins. The difference between brothers and a father/son is that the father has a paternal instinct and a huge desire for his son to succeed at all costs that brothers lack.

 

[shredhead]

Interesting. Not to derail this. Any idea why CU doesn't seem to show any interest in Dave Logan, when lot's and lot's of CU fans would love this.

Logan's getting some interest (and has in the past, makes a lot of sense) but I feel he's waiting until the right time to make the jump from uber-successful high school coach and into the college ranks.I was hoping he would get the job instead of Hawkins.

I only heard part of Scott and Mike's show yesterday, but I thought I heard them taking that Dave Logan's son was planning on going to CU. The last thing CU would want right now is to have another father coaching son scenario that they have going right now. Maybe that is the timing you were talking about??I agree with you, I was hoping Dave would get the job instead of Hawkins.Evans made a point on the show yesterday that I had never thought about. The fact that other Big 12 recruiters would use the "Logan's only a high school coach, do you really want to go play for a high school coach" argument to dissuade kids from signing at CU. It probably wouldn't dissuade high school kids from Colorado from signing, but Evans had a point that the tactic might work on the out of state kids.

 

[pollardsvision]

Honestly, and without having joined the Shanahan family for Thanksgiving dinner, I don't see this being that attractive. Seriously. How many people out there would want their fathers having responsibility to them in their jobs? How many fathers would want to have to answer to their sons? If coordinators and HCs clash already, can you imagine how much more intense the fight would be if it were family?Sounds like a fairytale maybe, but this would be an absolute clusterf__ in real life. Like asking the D-Coordinator Ryan (first name eludes me right now) to go work for his brother in NY.

Isn't this exactly what's going on at UT?Didn't Monte leave the NFL to help his son rebuild a college program?That seems to be working out okay. (Not that that would have any impact on the likelihood or success of a Shanny tag team)

 

[trader jake]

Makes sense. Help his son get a job while he waits another season.

Sounds like Skelator has next year planned out...if he doesn't get the money he wants from an NFL team.

 

[Buffaloes]

Makes sense. Help his son get a job while he waits another season.

Sounds like Skelator has next year planned out...if he doesn't get the money he wants from an NFL team.

I was under the impression that Mike Shanahan gets the $7mil/yr or so guaranteed to him in the Bronco contract regardless. So if he were to sign with another team for $5 Mil a year, Denver would be on the hook for the remaining $2mil that year. Can anyone verify this one way or another?

 

[Mile High]

Interesting. Not to derail this. Any idea why CU doesn't seem to show any interest in Dave Logan, when lot's and lot's of CU fans would love this.

Logan's getting some interest (and has in the past, makes a lot of sense) but I feel he's waiting until the right time to make the jump from uber-successful high school coach and into the college ranks.I was hoping he would get the job instead of Hawkins.

I only heard part of Scott and Mike's show yesterday, but I thought I heard them taking that Dave Logan's son was planning on going to CU. The last thing CU would want right now is to have another father coaching son scenario that they have going right now. Maybe that is the timing you were talking about??I agree with you, I was hoping Dave would get the job instead of Hawkins.Evans made a point on the show yesterday that I had never thought about. The fact that other Big 12 recruiters would use the "Logan's only a high school coach, do you really want to go play for a high school coach" argument to dissuade kids from signing at CU. It probably wouldn't dissuade high school kids from Colorado from signing, but Evans had a point that the tactic might work on the out of state kids.

Seems like they are being coached by a High school coach right now. . All kidding aside, Evans does have a point.

 

[Sweet Love]

Honestly, and without having joined the Shanahan family for Thanksgiving dinner, I don't see this being that attractive. Seriously. How many people out there would want their fathers having responsibility to them in their jobs? How many fathers would want to have to answer to their sons? If coordinators and HCs clash already, can you imagine how much more intense the fight would be if it were family?Sounds like a fairytale maybe, but this would be an absolute clusterf__ in real life. Like asking the D-Coordinator Ryan (first name eludes me right now) to go work for his brother in NY.

It works for the Kiffins. The difference between brothers and a father/son is that the father has a paternal instinct and a huge desire for his son to succeed at all costs that brothers lack.

I agree with this sentiment and am a little surprised this does not happen more often in coaching families. Shanny has made his money and after a while $20mm versus $30mm in lifetime earnings does not seem like such a chasm as it may to you and me. Plus, coaches don't make much coin for their first ten years in the job (many make less than the avg FBG their first 10 versus our first 10), so while they may enjoy the money, the need to go from 1mm to 4-5mm is often not worth the headache (which is why so many coaches go into broadcasting). Plus, Shanny is not Gruden or Fisher's age (I would guess he is in his early-mid 60s, so the idea of still working, but slowing down and getting the pleasure to see his son on a daily basis is likely priceless. I would guess a career-coach like Kiffin sees Lane more now, than he ever did as his son was growing up.

 

[FantasyTrader]

As a CU fan (and a long-suffering one), I would love for this to be true. But I can't fathom it's the case.

As a Husker fan I'm praying it's not true.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Seems like a huge difference though between the Shanahans and the Kiffins. Monte hadn't been a head coach and didn't want to be. Mike has been a very successful head coach in the NFL. Plus, Monte is 12 years older than Mike and probably feels like this will be his last job. So why not take the time to enjoy coaching with his son? If Mike walks away from the NFL now to be a college coordinator, there'd be a pretty good chance that he would have a difficult time getting back into the NFL as a head coach. I don't think he's ready to hang that up yet.

 

[Courtjester]

I still have a feeling that Mike ends up in Dallas somehow, someway next year.

I just don't see him taking a college job when there will probably be at least 3-4 NFL openings.

 

[Tom Servo]

Interesting. Not to derail this. Any idea why CU doesn't seem to show any interest in Dave Logan, when lot's and lot's of CU fans would love this.

Logan's getting some interest (and has in the past, makes a lot of sense) but I feel he's waiting until the right time to make the jump from uber-successful high school coach and into the college ranks.I was hoping he would get the job instead of Hawkins.

I only heard part of Scott and Mike's show yesterday, but I thought I heard them taking that Dave Logan's son was planning on going to CU. The last thing CU would want right now is to have another father coaching son scenario that they have going right now. Maybe that is the timing you were talking about??I agree with you, I was hoping Dave would get the job instead of Hawkins.Evans made a point on the show yesterday that I had never thought about. The fact that other Big 12 recruiters would use the "Logan's only a high school coach, do you really want to go play for a high school coach" argument to dissuade kids from signing at CU. It probably wouldn't dissuade high school kids from Colorado from signing, but Evans had a point that the tactic might work on the out of state kids.

Yes, but offensive players would be playing under a former NFL coach. Having that kind of gravitas on staff probably more than outweighs the HS coach at the helm.

 

[mcintyre1]

I was under the impression that Colorado didn't have the money to buy out the current coach's contract, since they were still paying back the buyout from the coach before that. If that's the case, there's no way in hell this happens.

 

[Buffaloes]

Interesting. Not to derail this. Any idea why CU doesn't seem to show any interest in Dave Logan, when lot's and lot's of CU fans would love this.

Logan's getting some interest (and has in the past, makes a lot of sense) but I feel he's waiting until the right time to make the jump from uber-successful high school coach and into the college ranks.I was hoping he would get the job instead of Hawkins.

I only heard part of Scott and Mike's show yesterday, but I thought I heard them taking that Dave Logan's son was planning on going to CU. The last thing CU would want right now is to have another father coaching son scenario that they have going right now. Maybe that is the timing you were talking about??I agree with you, I was hoping Dave would get the job instead of Hawkins.Evans made a point on the show yesterday that I had never thought about. The fact that other Big 12 recruiters would use the "Logan's only a high school coach, do you really want to go play for a high school coach" argument to dissuade kids from signing at CU. It probably wouldn't dissuade high school kids from Colorado from signing, but Evans had a point that the tactic might work on the out of state kids.

Yes, but offensive players would be playing under a former NFL coach. Having that kind of gravitas on staff probably more than outweighs the HS coach at the helm.

I don't think Shanahan would work under Dave Logan though. That's who the poster was referencing in the 2nd half of his post.

 

[thatguy]

I still have a feeling that Mike ends up in Dallas somehow, someway next year.I just don't see him taking a college job when there will probably be at least 3-4 NFL openings.

Dallas would be a very good landing spot for Shanny. Very talented team with the offensive pieces all in place. Also, it's been said that Denver offered Dallas a first rounder for Romo when he was still backing up Bledsoe (and obviously Dallas declined), so we know Shanny likes Romo. I think Shanny definitely wants to go to a place with QB he likes and thinks he can work with (which is why Chicago is an interesting possible landing spot as well).

 

[Buffaloes]

Makes sense. Help his son get a job while he waits another season.

Sounds like Skelator has next year planned out...if he doesn't get the money he wants from an NFL team.

I was under the impression that Mike Shanahan gets the $7mil/yr or so guaranteed to him in the Bronco contract regardless. So if he were to sign with another team for $5 Mil a year, Denver would be on the hook for the remaining $2mil that year. Can anyone verify this one way or another?

Sorry to bump my own post, but does anyone know the answer to this?

 

[Dexter Manley]

Makes sense. Help his son get a job while he waits another season.

Sounds like Skelator has next year planned out...if he doesn't get the money he wants from an NFL team.

I was under the impression that Mike Shanahan gets the $7mil/yr or so guaranteed to him in the Bronco contract regardless. So if he were to sign with another team for $5 Mil a year, Denver would be on the hook for the remaining $2mil that year. Can anyone verify this one way or another?

Sorry to bump my own post, but does anyone know the answer to this?

I don't have a definitive answer, but this is all I've been hearing too. Reportedly, CU doesn't have the $$$ to buyout Hawkins.

 

[SSOG]

Makes sense. Help his son get a job while he waits another season.

Sounds like Skelator has next year planned out...if he doesn't get the money he wants from an NFL team.

I was under the impression that Mike Shanahan gets the $7mil/yr or so guaranteed to him in the Bronco contract regardless. So if he were to sign with another team for $5 Mil a year, Denver would be on the hook for the remaining $2mil that year. Can anyone verify this one way or another?

Sorry to bump my own post, but does anyone know the answer to this?

I can confirm that that is, in fact, the situation.IIRC, there's also a clause that Shanahan must make a good-faith effort to find a new job, so he couldn't really sit out for 3 years and just collect the $21 million. But it does mean that the money isn't really an issue- whether a new job pays him $500,000 for his first three years of $6.5 million for his first three years, he's making the same amount of money either way.

For some unsubstantiated speculation: even despite the recent divorce, I think Shanahan still likes and respects Bowlen too much to take a below-market salary just to stick it to Bowlen and make him pay more of the difference.

 

[PatrickT]

Seems like a list of NFL landing spots might be in order. Potential NFL HC openings next year in a rough order of likelihood (IMO< obviously) that it will be open:

Buffalo

Washington (Shanny's not going there without full control which he might not get)

Oak (Cable still an unknown)

JAX (Maybe, depends on their ending record, looked better lately)

Carolina (Fox is looking safer in recent weeks)

Ten (Like Fox, Fisher looks safer in recent weeks.)

Cleveland (unlikely they'll end the mangini experiment that quickly, but it's not getting better yet)

Chi (only putting this here cause I've seen it in this thread, never seen that Lovie's on the hotseat)

 

[Cecil Lammey]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4667849

Bills have reached out to Shanny now according to Schefter.

 

[shredhead]

Seems like a list of NFL landing spots might be in order. Potential NFL HC openings next year in a rough order of likelihood (IMO< obviously) that it will be open:

Buffalo

Washington (Shanny's not going there without full control which he might not get) Shanny has already turned them down once.

Oak (Cable still an unknown) Al Davis still owes Shanny money from his last stint as Oakland's coach.

JAX (Maybe, depends on their ending record, looked better lately) Maybe

Carolina (Fox is looking safer in recent weeks) Maybe, but I would guess that Fox is safe.

Ten (Like Fox, Fisher looks safer in recent weeks.) I doubt Fisher get canned.

Cleveland (unlikely they'll end the mangini experiment that quickly, but it's not getting better yet)

Chi (only putting this here cause I've seen it in this thread, never seen that Lovie's on the hotseat) Bears brass too cheap to buy out Lovie's contract? That's what I've read in other threads.

Dallas should maybe be on this list. I'd say Buffalo or Dallas as most likely spots for Shanny.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Chi (only putting this here cause I've seen it in this thread, never seen that Lovie's on the hotseat) Bears brass too cheap to buy out Lovie's contract? That's what I've read in other threads.

I can't imagine them doing it. They are the epitome of cheap when it comes to things like this.Another thing to note. Outside of George Halas rehiring himself, the only instance of the Chicago Bears hiring someone with NFL Head Coaching experience, to be their Head Coach, is Paddy Driscoll in 1956.

Paddy Driscoll's previous head coaching experience was 34 years previous as the Chicago Cardnials head coach in 1922