RUMOR: Steven Jackson Nursing Groin Injury? (1 Viewer)

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I was just driving home and caught the tail end of a fantasy segment on local radio. The "expert" was implying that Steven Jackson has been nursing a groin injury and recommending Cadillac as a definite handcuff. I've done a search and can't find anything about a current Jackson injury.

Can anybody confirm or refute this?

Is Cadillac the definite guy to get here as Jackson's backup? He looked good in the exhibition game.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I don't want to burst anyone's bubble and perhaps Premier is a better source of info than myself on this but Cadillac seems very limited at this stage. I liked him on 3rd down in Tampa last year but he is a shell of what he was when he burst into the league. I guess my feeling is better to get a nice deep roster with an RB3/4/5 than handcuff Cadillac because I don't think he would produce a lot if he saw extensive action. He can catch a few balls, probably should be switched to slot receiver at this point in his career. He picks up the blitz well too.

 

[Badgers Fan]

Steven Jackson has been my favorite player in all of sports since he entered the league and I believe I owned him 5 times. That being said, I'm avoiding him this year. He slowed down last year. The 3.6 ypc in the second half should be a good indicator that he's breaking down. Also, this may be from a few months ago, but:

Scouts Inc.'s Matt Williamson believes Steven Jackson has "lost a step" and no longer qualifies as an elite NFL running back.

"He struggles to run away from tacklers and break long runs. And he just isn't as nifty as he once was," said Williamson, a huge fan of S-Jax's game prior to 2010.

Sam Bradford is awesome. He will make this team awesome. However, the Rams have no weapons to take defenses eyes off of Jackson. Until any one of St.Louis's many injury prone receivers can actually have sustained success, SJax will see the box stacked. Not a good thing for a guy on the decline. It is possible out of sheer volume (300 carries, 50 rec?) that he does produce a useful season for fantasy purposes. However, it's also possible that all the injuries over the years catch up to him, and he has a terrible-injury riddled season.

 

[gianmarco]

The 3.6 ypc in the second half should be a good indicator that he's breaking down.

Copied from the Peyton Hillis thread by J. Wood:

In 2007, Adrian Peterson went from more than 5 yards per carry in the first half to a dismal 3.114 yards per rush over the final 8 games. He followed that up with 1,760 yards (4.8 YPC) and 10 TDs in 2008.

In 2002, Deuce McAllister only averaged 3.584 yards per carry in the second half...clearly he "hit the wall and was overworked", right? He followed that up in with a 1,641-yard (4.7 YPR) 8 TD season in 2003.

In 2004, Clinton Portis struggled to only 3.633 yards per carry in the second half. In 2005, rather than regressing, he put up 1,516 yards rushing (4.3 per carry) and 11 TDs.

In 2007, Portis (again) averaged just 3.644 yards in the second half, and delivered 1,487 yards (4.3 YPR) and 9 TDs in 2008.

In 2002, Edgerrin James saw his second half fall to 3.669 per carry. He followed that up in 2003 with 1,259 yards (4.1) and 11 TDs.

In 2009, Rashard Mendenhall "was gassed" and only churned out 3.768 yards per rush in the second half. He put up 1,273 (3.9) and 13 TDs this year.

In 2008, Frank Gore averaged just 3.837 yards in the second half, he followed that up with 1,120 yards (4.9 YPR!) and 10 TDs in 2009.

In 2009, MJD "lost his explosiveness" and only managed 3.916 yards per rush in the second half. He delivered 1,324 (4.4 YPR) and 5 TDs last year (in less than 16 games).

In 2005, Thomas Jones couldn't muster 4 yards per rush in the 2nd half (3.959) but delivered 1,210 yards (4.1 YPR) and 6 TDs in 2006.

In 2009, Adrian Peterson averaged just 3.993 yards in the second half, but delivered 1,298 and 12 this past year.

In other words, his 3.6 ypc in the 2nd half is NOT a good indicator he's breaking down. It's not to say that he isn't "losing a step" or not where he was earlier in his career, but that piece of info isn't what I'd use to determine that nor would I quote it as a piece of proof because it's been shown on many occasions to not be any type of indicator, let alone a clear one, that a player is "breaking down".

 

[DaveGrumbles]

The 3.6 ypc in the second half should be a good indicator that he's breaking down.

Copied from the Peyton Hillis thread by J. Wood:

In 2007, Adrian Peterson went from more than 5 yards per carry in the first half to a dismal 3.114 yards per rush over the final 8 games. He followed that up with 1,760 yards (4.8 YPC) and 10 TDs in 2008.

In 2002, Deuce McAllister only averaged 3.584 yards per carry in the second half...clearly he "hit the wall and was overworked", right? He followed that up in with a 1,641-yard (4.7 YPR) 8 TD season in 2003.

In 2004, Clinton Portis struggled to only 3.633 yards per carry in the second half. In 2005, rather than regressing, he put up 1,516 yards rushing (4.3 per carry) and 11 TDs.

In 2007, Portis (again) averaged just 3.644 yards in the second half, and delivered 1,487 yards (4.3 YPR) and 9 TDs in 2008.

In 2002, Edgerrin James saw his second half fall to 3.669 per carry. He followed that up in 2003 with 1,259 yards (4.1) and 11 TDs.

In 2009, Rashard Mendenhall "was gassed" and only churned out 3.768 yards per rush in the second half. He put up 1,273 (3.9) and 13 TDs this year.

In 2008, Frank Gore averaged just 3.837 yards in the second half, he followed that up with 1,120 yards (4.9 YPR!) and 10 TDs in 2009.

In 2009, MJD "lost his explosiveness" and only managed 3.916 yards per rush in the second half. He delivered 1,324 (4.4 YPR) and 5 TDs last year (in less than 16 games).

In 2005, Thomas Jones couldn't muster 4 yards per rush in the 2nd half (3.959) but delivered 1,210 yards (4.1 YPR) and 6 TDs in 2006.

In 2009, Adrian Peterson averaged just 3.993 yards in the second half, but delivered 1,298 and 12 this past year.

In other words, his 3.6 ypc in the 2nd half is NOT a good indicator he's breaking down. It's not to say that he isn't "losing a step" or not where he was earlier in his career, but that piece of info isn't what I'd use to determine that nor would I quote it as a piece of proof because it's been shown on many occasions to not be any type of indicator, let alone a clear one, that a player is "breaking down".

I would agree that the stat alone is not a great indicator. However, in all fairness, mileage and age added in the mix is also a major factor. Your list in order based on those players ages at the time:

2007 ADP - Age 22

2002 Deuce Age - 23

2004 Portis Age - 22

2007 Portis Age - 25

2002 E James Age - 24

2009 Mendenhall Age - 22

2008 Frank Gore Age - 25

2009 MJD Age - 24

2005 T Jones Age - 26

2009 ADP Age - 24

Right now SJax is 28. May not be a huge difference in age, but in NFL terms it's not necessarily your prime either.

 

[bulger2holt]

I wouldn't touch SJax with your pole, and this is coming from a Rams homer.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Big fan of Sjax but he looked like he lost a step in 2010 and he's constantly dinged up. He's a beast and plays through it but I expect a lot of GTD's for owners this season.

At his current ADP (2.8), I would rather draft a WR1 instead of a risky RB2.

 

[ichris]

Steven Jackson has been my favorite player in all of sports since he entered the league and I believe I owned him 5 times. That being said, I'm avoiding him this year. He slowed down last year. The 3.6 ypc in the second half should be a good indicator that he's breaking down. Also, this may be from a few months ago, but:Scouts Inc.'s Matt Williamson believes Steven Jackson has "lost a step" and no longer qualifies as an elite NFL running back."He struggles to run away from tacklers and break long runs. And he just isn't as nifty as he once was," said Williamson, a huge fan of S-Jax's game prior to 2010. Sam Bradford is awesome. He will make this team awesome. However, the Rams have no weapons to take defenses eyes off of Jackson. Until any one of St.Louis's many injury prone receivers can actually have sustained success, SJax will see the box stacked. Not a good thing for a guy on the decline. It is possible out of sheer volume (300 carries, 50 rec?) that he does produce a useful season for fantasy purposes. However, it's also possible that all the injuries over the years catch up to him, and he has a terrible-injury riddled season.

Steve has been my favorite player in all of sports since 2002 when he started at OSU and led the PAC 10 in rushing yards. He was a beast in college. After the rams drafted him in 2004, I've drafted him in at least 46 different fantasy drafts so far. That being said, as the most senior "Action" Jackson fan on the Internet in these here parts, I can't believe you are giving up on him this year! I have a good feeling that Bradford will be able to open the offense and the team will finally start scoring some points. Defenses will have to respect the passing game, and as long as the offensive line holds together Steve will turn into a scoring machine! THIS.IS.THE.YEAR.TO.OWN.STEVEN.JACKSON.#39!!!!!!1!¡

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

Rams added one of the top 5 run blocking guards in the game, added an OC that will open things up for Steven and added a RB to take away some of the hits. In regards to Williamson's take on Steven losing a step, I don't buy it one bit. In fact Steven showed burst last year that you did not see in previous seasons because of groing injuries. Jackson was never "nifty". He has always been a one shift guy (he still makes the first guy fling around him like a rubber band with his stop, throw with the off hand, and go) that would then resort on mowing the next guy over. He's never been a guy who outruns another which is why he has had remarkably low 50 + yard TD's in his career.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

In regards to the groin pull, I have not read one thing about it and it has not shown up on any camp report injury notes. Jim Thomas is very thorough with keeping up on injuries and he, Spags in his post day interview, or any other source has whispered it.

 

[ldizzle]

Sooo does he have s groin injury.....

 

[Kenny Powers]

If he is actually injured, and its a groin which is something he had previously, I would think about it. Otherwise, S-Jax looked as healthy as ever last year IMO and considering the surrounging cast, I dont see a major dropoff. His injury concerns I also think are slightly overrated. He's only played less than 14 games twice in 7 years.

I guess this really depends on how bad/if he is injured right now.

 

[GregR]

I was just driving home and caught the tail end of a fantasy segment on local radio. The "expert" was implying that Steven Jackson has been nursing a groin injury and recommending Cadillac as a definite handcuff. I've done a search and can't find anything about a current Jackson injury. Can anybody confirm or refute this?Is Cadillac the definite guy to get here as Jackson's backup? He looked good in the exhibition game.

He's not on the list of players who didn't practice yesterday.

 

[Sabertooth]

The problem with Jackson is that he's always on the injury report. He's a gamer, but he makes your lineup decision hell each week.

 

[bulger2holt]

SJax looks trimmed down this year. This could help him to regain his step he lost. The dude was looking like a MLB the past couple years.

 

[Grahamburn]

This is from 5 days ago:

Steven Jackson said he feels better physically during this training camp than at any other preseason outside of his rookie year.

Last year, Jackson was coming off back surgery. "I feel great," he said Wednesday. "Tip-top condition, my strength is there. ... I'm not worried if something is going to let up on me. The timidness of my game is gone."

Jackson is 28 and has averaged 315.0 touches per year for the last seven seasons. But with the offense expected to improve under new coordinator Josh McDaniels, a healthy S-Jax still has plenty of value. He's a lock for 300-plus touches once again.

Aug. 11 - 8:46 a.m. ET

Do people forget he had back surgery coming into last season? Maybe that's why he looked like he "lost a step." I'd prefer Jackson "nurse" a groin injury. We're still 29 days away from the season starting. Cadillac isn't much of a threat to Jackson's touches, and if SJAX misses playing time I'd look elsewhere to replace him.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'd like to see one shred of proof that he has a groin injury. He's been practicing, right? I he had ANY type of groin injury he wouldn't be practicing.

This thread needs to be locked unless the OP or someone else can substantiate this claim in ANY way.

 

[footballnerd]

great value where he's at. hopefully he gets more TDs to become a steal.

 

[Jayrod]

I'd like to see one shred of proof that he has a groin injury. He's been practicing, right? I he had ANY type of groin injury he wouldn't be practicing. This thread needs to be locked unless the OP or someone else can substantiate this claim in ANY way.

He titled the thread appropriately. Lighten up francis....it is a place to discuss general health and rumblings about lingering injuries. Not a bad discussion and from the way the thread has gone, actually useful and insightful.

 

[joffer]

I'd like to see one shred of proof that he has a groin injury. He's been practicing, right? I he had ANY type of groin injury he wouldn't be practicing. This thread needs to be locked unless the OP or someone else can substantiate this claim in ANY way.

I'd say leave it. Drives down his ADP

 

[Mark Wimer]

I'd like to see one shred of proof that he has a groin injury. He's been practicing, right? I he had ANY type of groin injury he wouldn't be practicing. This thread needs to be locked unless the OP or someone else can substantiate this claim in ANY way.

I added RUMOR to the thread title to clarify. I don't think this needs to be locked, as Jackson has had groin issues before - it could happen again, especially if this is a sports hernia situation.

 

[Exit 1]

He is one guy that I am DEFINITELY passing on this year.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

great value where he's at. hopefully he gets more TDs to become a steal.

2009, 2010, 2011...

 

[NeverEnough]

If Caddy is not going to do anything should he need to play, who is the handcuff?

 

[Grahamburn]

great value where he's at. hopefully he gets more TDs to become a steal.

2009, 2010, 2011...

No expectation that the Rams' offense could improve a bit this season?

 

[Joe Bryant]

I'd like to see one shred of proof that he has a groin injury. He's been practicing, right? I he had ANY type of groin injury he wouldn't be practicing. This thread needs to be locked unless the OP or someone else can substantiate this claim in ANY way.

I added RUMOR to the thread title to clarify. I don't think this needs to be locked, as Jackson has had groin issues before - it could happen again, especially if this is a sports hernia situation.

Exactly. Excellent discussion here.J

 

[Vision6]

This is great. Hopefully all the negatively ensures S-Jax falls to mid/late Round 2

 

[footballnerd]

great value where he's at. hopefully he gets more TDs to become a steal.

2009, 2010, 2011...

2009 1.6 adp 300+ carries2010 1.5 adp 300+ carries2011 2.5 adp potential for 300+ in improving offense = (value)

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'd like to see one shred of proof that he has a groin injury. He's been practicing, right? I he had ANY type of groin injury he wouldn't be practicing. This thread needs to be locked unless the OP or someone else can substantiate this claim in ANY way.

I added RUMOR to the thread title to clarify. I don't think this needs to be locked, as Jackson has had groin issues before - it could happen again, especially if this is a sports hernia situation.

Well, it COULD happen again, just like Stafford COULD be injured again, or a jet COULD fall out of the sky and squash Tom Brady. But there doesn't seem to be ANY evidence that he DID re-injure his groin other than a poster saying that he heard some expert IMPLY that he hurt it on some local radio show. So now people come visit the site and may think that there's some legitimacy to the report if they just skim some thread subjects and that's just absurd. Seems to me that we could have a perfectly fine discussion on Steven Jackson in a thread whose title doesn't have such a ridiculous assertion. Maybe the OP really did hear some "expert" on some local radio station imply that Jackson re-injured his groin, but that's pretty weak sauce to constitute an actual rumor. We can put this one right up there with a friend's cousin's next door neighbor running into Barry Sanders at the mall and finding out he's making a comeback.

 

[todisco1]

FWIW, Jackson did not practice today. They say "hip soreness" and that it isn't a big deal.

 

[Sweetness_34]

FWIW, Jackson did not practice today. They say "hip soreness" and that it isn't a big deal.

Jackson owners have seen this a million times ...what does not kill you makes you stronger. ... too bad a stud like Jackson wasted his career in that cesspool of a franchise with little hope of ever even being 0.500.

 

[TheWick]

The Rams running game looked great last week against the Colts...not that its worth much. They will run the ball this year and Caddy is the one to own behind Sjax.

Skins play the Colts this week and Helu is suppose to get the majority of the work...A bit off subject but be ready for the Helu love in here next week.

 

[Abrantes]

This is the first I hear of this, but I'm not inclined to trust it. I'm a bit surprised at the level of pessimism here. Despite a bad season in per-carry average, he toughed out another season and battled through injuries, and things are actually looking up for the Rams offense. The OL got a huge upgrade with Dahl stepping in to replace Goldberg, while Jackson is slimmer, a season removed from his back surgery, and finally has help in the backfield. At this point, I'm not docking Jackson for an injury without a shred of confirmation.

 

[PahtyTom]

I would handcuff Norwood over Caddy despite the depth chart.

 

[Bri]

isn't that his "achilles"? Doesn't he often seem to injure his groin?

If so he needs to adjust somehow-stretching, workouts, diet...I don't know, but a trainer should

 

[Bri]

FWIW, Jackson did not practice today. They say "hip soreness" and that it isn't a big deal.

Jackson owners have seen this a million times ...what does not kill you makes you stronger. ... too bad a stud like Jackson wasted his career in that cesspool of a franchise with little hope of ever even being 0.500.

the other thing is many years ago fans were upset that Tomlinson didn't play in preseason and several others seemed to follow suit. Since, there has a been an almost definite trend of people faking injuries or "sitting with hangnails." Maybe Jax is just being a preseason slacker

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

This is the first I hear of this, but I'm not inclined to trust it. I'm a bit surprised at the level of pessimism here. Despite a bad season in per-carry average, he toughed out another season and battled through injuries, and things are actually looking up for the Rams offense. The OL got a huge upgrade with Dahl stepping in to replace Goldberg, while Jackson is slimmer, a season removed from his back surgery, and finally has help in the backfield. At this point, I'm not docking Jackson for an injury without a shred of confirmation.

I think it's a good thing that they are planning to take some of the load off of him. He should end up with less than 300 carries this year but I expect to just outside of the top 12 in PPR and hopefully the lighter load keeps him healthy.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Since no one has confirmed this, Im starting to like SJax more and more. He slid late 2nd to me last year, if this is the word, I might get him early 3rd

 

[Ministry of Pain]

great value where he's at. hopefully he gets more TDs to become a steal.

2009, 2010, 2011...

2009 1.6 adp 300+ carries2010 1.5 adp 300+ carries2011 2.5 adp potential for 300+ in improving offense = (value)

Benson will get 300 carries and you can grab him in the 6th/7th...

 

[Itchy Amos]

great value where he's at. hopefully he gets more TDs to become a steal.

2009, 2010, 2011...

2009 1.6 adp 300+ carries2010 1.5 adp 300+ carries2011 2.5 adp potential for 300+ in improving offense = (value)

Benson will get 300 carries and you can grab him in the 6th/7th...

Big difference here. Lets forget about the fact that many believe that Benson is only marginally better than his backup (at best). The Bengals are going to struggle to even move the ball. They may prove to be the worst (and lowest scoring)team in the league. If Bradford takes to the new system like many are expecting, Jackson might have many more scoring chances than in the past. If you throw in a handful of scores, he's a safe bet to finish in the top 10. There's no question that hes an injury risk, but seeing that he's the work-horse back in an improving offense and should have increased scoring chances - as the 12th running back off the board, he offers at least modest upside.

 

[Sabertooth]

I wish I had a groin nurse.

 

[Bamac]

I wish I had a groin nurse.

I think this entire thread was an elaborate set-up for Sabertooth's punchline. Well worth it.

 

[eoMMan]

great value where he's at. hopefully he gets more TDs to become a steal.

2009, 2010, 2011...

2009 1.6 adp 300+ carries2010 1.5 adp 300+ carries2011 2.5 adp potential for 300+ in improving offense = (value)

Benson will get 300 carries and you can grab him in the 6th/7th...

I really don't like Benson this year. Even if he is viewed as a value, he's still going to stink. That offense will be behind in many games and will be forced to pass and play catch up. I think if you get 1,000 yds and 5 TD's out of him, you are very lucky.