Judge Smails
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Tell me this is schtick oh great one....Gore is listed as a running back on both MFL and ESPN. Not sure about Yahoo!SJax at 2.03, CJ at 2.04 - and the kicker - GORE at 2.06.
Tell me this is schtick oh great one....Gore is listed as a running back on both MFL and ESPN. Not sure about Yahoo!SJax at 2.03, CJ at 2.04 - and the kicker - GORE at 2.06.
Only a little bit. Ryan was the 7th or 8th QB off (Kaepernick, Brady, Griffin all went in the 2nd/3rd) - they went a little bit earlier but not nearly as early as they should have, given the format.It's not just you, I'm not trying to single you out. I just think some of these draft recaps ultimately serve to confuse people.Point was - RBs flew off the board early and then there was a long break in which everyone was scrambling to pick up WRs/QBs. I went against the tide and wanted to share the results as the upside-down strategy was being discussed earlier. I don't think it varied too much from ADP except that based on the roster structure, QBs went earlier than usual (but not early enough IMO) and there was a lot of chasing in the mid-rounds, the RB march didn't continue as it has in some other leagues.People really need to hold back from posting draft recaps in which their entire team "fell" to them. I appreciate the anecdotal evidence to an extent, but seriously, if your entire league ignored ADP the info is essentially valueless as it pertains to this discussion.
As for you're league, the fact that the QB run didn't start early and last long is perplexing. Rodgers at 2.03 is absurd as he should be taken between 1.01-1.03. Ryan in the 4th round is similarly absurd, he should have been taken in the first round. It doesn't seem to me that QBs went "earlier than usual" at all.
He was making a joke - see bolded above.Tell me this is schtick oh great one....Gore is listed as a running back on both MFL and ESPN. Not sure about Yahoo!SJax at 2.03, CJ at 2.04 - and the kicker - GORE at 2.06.
Tell me you don't really need to be told...Tell me this is schtick oh great one....Gore is listed as a running back on both MFL and ESPN. Not sure about Yahoo!SJax at 2.03, CJ at 2.04 - and the kicker - GORE at 2.06.
Parsing through this whole thread, it seems the intensity of the RB frenzy this year hinges on the lineup and scoring rules. I did a 12-team draft last night with 1/2/3/1/1/1 lineups and 0.5PPR, and the RB run quite simply never materialized. I took 3 RB's in the first 4 picks and yet there were plenty of third-tier backs still on the board in Round 5, while the WR cupboard emptied out fast.I had the second pick in a serious league start qb,2rb,3wr,1te,1flex(rb,wr,te),1def,1k. 4pts per passing td, and 1pt per reception.
My first pick I took Charles, there were 2-3 rbs I wanted in the second, none made it to me the big 5wrs were gone also, so I took te Grahm best player available imo. We do 3rd round reversal in this draft. I would have took Gore but he was gone took wr V. Jackson. Since my draft was blown up I went with it.
This team is ridiculous considering the starting format. With how strong you are at QB and WR, I wouldnt worry about your RBs. Fact of the matter is you still have 4 clear starting RBs and a guy who should get plenty of touches in Vereen.I had a draft last night in a league with really odd rosters, don't know if this helps, but :
10 teams, PPR, all TDs 6, start 2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX (RB/WR/TE), 1 SUPERFLEX (QB/RB/WR/TE), 1 K, 1 DEF
I was drafting #8 and expected a mad dash on QBs, given you can theoretically start 3 of them each week. Still, the first 7 picks were all RBs. At that point, I decided to draft upside-down. No one really followed. Team ended up being :
QB - A. Rodgers, M. Ryan, A. Luck, EJ Manuel
RB - D. Wilson, L. Miller, R. Mathews, D. McFadden, S. Vereen, R. Hillman
WR - Calvin Johnson, D. Thomas, V. Jackson, K. Britt, J. Gordon, Kenbrell Thompkins
TE - J. Finley, H. Miller (20th round homer pick)
K - Bullock
DEF - Chicago
My backfield kind of sucks, but after the run in rounds 1-3, people kind of stopped taking backs after that and I was able to get 5 of those 6 guys between rounds 5-11. Hillman lasted until the 14th (?) I probably have the worst backfield in the league, but considering I only HAVE to start 2, I'm hoping I can hit on half of these guys and/or cobble together a halfway respectable starting duo and hope my advantages at QB and WR can override that.
It could be viable, but you could get a TD monster like Trent or Morris with your first pick, or Ridley with your 2nd pick. Id probably go RB/WR or WR/RB in this format then go for WRs in rounds 3 and 4.So let me spell out my league and see if you think a start of no RB until round 3 is viable:Considering you have been hard pressed on the anti-RB line, Im glad to see this post with all things consideredTwo flex positions. I would have gone the same way. The format of the league dictates when you can or can't go WR early. Your league? No chance in purgatory of doing anything but go RB in 2 of the first 3 picks.From the other side of the spectrum, here's what my RB-RB-RB draft ended up like tonight. 12 teams, non-PPR, start QB/2RB/2WR/TE/2Flex. I had the 7th pick.
QB: Romo, Luck
RB: Rice, CJ2K, Lacy, Vereen, Hillman, Michael
WR: Nelson, DJax, Roberts, Jeffery, Little, Stills
TE: Gronk, Cameron
Im sure the WR/WR people will absolutely hate this team, but I like it for the most part. That said, even I dont like my WRs overall. Really the key thing that changed the look of this team was picking Gronk in the 5th round. Had I not done that, I have Bowe or Garcon as my WR2 and in all likelihood DJax as my WR3. The Graham owner has Andre Brown as his RB2 and the Witten owner has Redman/Tate as his RB2 so that makes me feel better about where I stand at WR.
I got sniped on WRs left and right. It looks like many will be starting 4 WRs in this league based on the 2 flexes as well, which is certainly part of the reason. I was somewhat setting my strategy of going RB early relying on getting Miles Austin, Gordon, Blackmon late but they each went within 2 picks of me in 3 consecutive rounds. Still a little <_< because of that, but I have a lot of trade value at QB.
1 QB 2 RB 3 WR 1 TE 1 K 1 DEF
And arcane, archaic scoring. Can't get these guys to budge on it. No PPR, no points for yardage except for milestones (5 for 100, 7 for 125, 10 for 150, 25 for 200), and more points for longer TDs (1-9=6 points, 10-39=9 points and 40+=12 points with QBs going 5/7/9 for same distance TDs).
With that set-up, can you see it being more viable to go for WRs (who are more likely to get bonus points from long TDs than RBs are) in the first two rounds? (And yes, it all depends who is hanging around. If I'm at eleven and Arian Foster drops that far the way I'm reading is happening in some drafts, I take Foster and celebrate.)
I take it you drafted Wilson before the word got out about Brown? Nice work.Same thing happened on my draft last night. RBs flew off the board. 25 of the first 36 picks were RBs. Thankfully i decided to go RB, RB, RB and ended up with peterson, gore, wilson. The only problem with going 3 rbs early is you spend the rest of your draft trying to fill your other positions and by the time your draft is over youre looking at zero rb depth. My RB4 is dwyer
Who are your RB?I was all set to go RB, RB, RB from the first pick. Thinking maybe MJD and Wilson at the 2/3 turn.
Ended up with
Peterson, Julio Jones, and Brandon Marshall because everyone went RBs so early.
Agreed. I think he's the clear favorite to win the league due to the QB value. 3 QB1s in a 2QB+Superflex?! Wow.This team is ridiculous considering the starting format. With how strong you are at QB and WR, I wouldnt worry about your RBs. Fact of the matter is you still have 4 clear starting RBs and a guy who should get plenty of touches in Vereen.I had a draft last night in a league with really odd rosters, don't know if this helps, but :
10 teams, PPR, all TDs 6, start 2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX (RB/WR/TE), 1 SUPERFLEX (QB/RB/WR/TE), 1 K, 1 DEF
I was drafting #8 and expected a mad dash on QBs, given you can theoretically start 3 of them each week. Still, the first 7 picks were all RBs. At that point, I decided to draft upside-down. No one really followed. Team ended up being :
QB - A. Rodgers, M. Ryan, A. Luck, EJ Manuel
RB - D. Wilson, L. Miller, R. Mathews, D. McFadden, S. Vereen, R. Hillman
WR - Calvin Johnson, D. Thomas, V. Jackson, K. Britt, J. Gordon, Kenbrell Thompkins
TE - J. Finley, H. Miller (20th round homer pick)
K - Bullock
DEF - Chicago
My backfield kind of sucks, but after the run in rounds 1-3, people kind of stopped taking backs after that and I was able to get 5 of those 6 guys between rounds 5-11. Hillman lasted until the 14th (?) I probably have the worst backfield in the league, but considering I only HAVE to start 2, I'm hoping I can hit on half of these guys and/or cobble together a halfway respectable starting duo and hope my advantages at QB and WR can override that.
of course. Just luckyI take it you drafted Wilson before the word got out about Brown? Nice work.Same thing happened on my draft last night. RBs flew off the board. 25 of the first 36 picks were RBs. Thankfully i decided to go RB, RB, RB and ended up with peterson, gore, wilson. The only problem with going 3 rbs early is you spend the rest of your draft trying to fill your other positions and by the time your draft is over youre looking at zero rb depth. My RB4 is dwyer
Its an FPC league. Starts 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 2Flex, TEponchsox said:Who are your RB?ImTheScientist said:I was all set to go RB, RB, RB from the first pick. Thinking maybe MJD and Wilson at the 2/3 turn.
Ended up with
Peterson, Julio Jones, and Brandon Marshall because everyone went RBs so early.
Lol, I like it. But that said, I have Lacy top 15, and Gordon top 15 once he's back. I can understand other people hating it though. Yahoo rated me as the worst draft and says I'm headed for a 2 - 12 season. We'll see. The only think I don't love about it is the WRs. Pretty damn certain I'll be able to send Smith + Giovanni to someone for a top 8 WR though.thats a pretty ####ty team
Starts aren't bad (TRich at 1.11, seriously? He's top 6 in all my drafts and well worth it.).Lol, I like it. But that said, I have Lacy top 15, and Gordon top 15 once he's back. I can understand other people hating it though. Yahoo rated me as the worst draft and says I'm headed for a 2 - 12 season. We'll see. The only think I don't love about it is the WRs. Pretty damn certain I'll be able to send Smith + Giovanni to someone for a top 8 WR though.thats a pretty ####ty team
All my targeted sleepers were drafted already. Damn internet. I wish this draft had been 2 weeks ago.In all seriousness, I rarely keep players from the last 5 picks of my team anyways. They're waiver fodder.Starts aren't bad (TRich at 1.11, seriously? He's top 6 in all my drafts and well worth it.).Lol, I like it. But that said, I have Lacy top 15, and Gordon top 15 once he's back. I can understand other people hating it though. Yahoo rated me as the worst draft and says I'm headed for a 2 - 12 season. We'll see. The only think I don't love about it is the WRs. Pretty damn certain I'll be able to send Smith + Giovanni to someone for a top 8 WR though.thats a pretty ####ty team
Your roudn 10-15 picks were terrible, though. There had to be some better sleepers available and you could have waited 3-4 rounds on a backup QB.
This is essentially what i feel is going to happen to me this Sunday. It looks like both Marshall and Julio fell to 2.12/3.01 and you chose to role with them over the likes of Murray,Miller, Wilson, Gore, DMC and etc. correct. Was MJD available?Its an FPC league. Starts 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 2Flex, TEponchsox said:Who are your RB?ImTheScientist said:I was all set to go RB, RB, RB from the first pick. Thinking maybe MJD and Wilson at the 2/3 turn.
Ended up with
Peterson, Julio Jones, and Brandon Marshall because everyone went RBs so early.
QB: Peyton Manning, Vick
RB: Peterson, Mathews, Bradshaw, Christine Michael, Felix Jones
WR: Julio Jones, Brandon Marshall, Mike Wallace, Golden Tate, Malcom Floyd, C. Patterson, Percy Harvin
TE: Fred Davis, Julius Thomas, Fasano
I didn't even have that selection at RB. The RBs in the 3rd round taken were.... Murray, Vereen, Lacy, Miller. 4th round on the way back to me was Gore, Bernard. MJD and Wilson were taken mid second, both I thought would fall to 2/3 turn.This is essentially what i feel is going to happen to me this Sunday. It looks like both Marshall and Julio fell to 2.12/3.01 and you chose to role with them over the likes of Murray,Miller, Wilson, Gore, DMC and etc. correct. Was MJD available?Its an FPC league. Starts 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 2Flex, TEponchsox said:Who are your RB?ImTheScientist said:I was all set to go RB, RB, RB from the first pick. Thinking maybe MJD and Wilson at the 2/3 turn.
Ended up with
Peterson, Julio Jones, and Brandon Marshall because everyone went RBs so early.
QB: Peyton Manning, Vick
RB: Peterson, Mathews, Bradshaw, Christine Michael, Felix Jones
WR: Julio Jones, Brandon Marshall, Mike Wallace, Golden Tate, Malcom Floyd, C. Patterson, Percy Harvin
TE: Fred Davis, Julius Thomas, Fasano
*I'm assuming this was before the A. Brown news, in which case Wilson wouldn't have been there either.
I hope your right, I'm just not convinced that I have 4 good ones. I was anticipating the run and I was determined to get 3RB's in my first 4 picks. I may have went overboard.Teams with 4 good RBs on their roster have four aces in their hand to make trades during the season. Desperate teams will overpay to get their hands on one.
Pretty similar to my team that I posted in here the other night where I took Rice, CJ, Lacy with my first 3 picks. I was actually targetting the exact same guys you got 6-8, Gio, Miles, and Gordon. Gio went the pick before me in the 6th though, Austin a few picks before me in the 7th, passed on Gordon in the 8th because I thought Vereen was too good to pass up, and Gordon the pick before mine in the 9th. So instead of Gio, Miles, Gordon, I ended up with DJax, Romo, Vereen (Luck in the 9th). My projections have Gio/Vereen within a point of each other, and DJax a few points ahead of Gordon and Austin so its pretty much a wash for me. Looks like I can probably trade Luck for Blackmon.I had my draft last night and wanted to report back.
Remember this is 12 teams, NOT ppr, and its 2 RBs / 2 WRs/ and 1 Flex. Anyone with a similar format should pay attention.
From the 11th spot:
1 - Trent Richardson
2 - Chris Johnson
3 - Eddie Lacy (David Wilson went 2 picks in front of me... the injury hadn't happened yet but I was upset I just missed him. Lacy was my consolation prize).
4 - Peyton Manning (best WR was probably Colston. Manning is my #1 ranked QB so I went for it. Had planned on WR, but none of my top choices fell).
5 - Steve Smith (ugh, not many good options at this point).
6 - Giovanni Bernard (decided to go against the WR run again. Figure he is solid trade bait with how weak at RB a couple of teams are).
7 - Miles Austin (can't believe this guy is falling this far. Very happy with this one.)
8 - Josh Gordon (love him. Very happy with this one too.)
9 - Jermichael Finley (suprised he fell this far. Probably should went WR again as the well was really drying up at this point).
10 - Kenny Britt (a wild card imo. Don't have a lot of faith, but all Blackmon, Thompkins type players were long gone).
11 - Andy Dalton (not sure why I did this. Probably shouldn't have).
12 - DHB (yuck. Nothing left at WR).
13 - Tyler Eifert (sleeper TE I guess).
14 - Shonn Greene (there is really nothing left at RB late, so might as well take the only clear handcuff I can).
15 - Garret Hartley (being criminally underated this season imo).
16 - Tampa D (JETS JETS JETS... then cut).
lol ouchI hope your right, I'm just not convinced that I have 4 good ones. I was anticipating the run and I was determined to get 3RB's in my first 4 picks. I may have went overboard.I was picking 11th and there was a mad RB run proceeding my pick, but Arian Foster was the one who fell to me. So I took him.Teams with 4 good RBs on their roster have four aces in their hand to make trades during the season. Desperate teams will overpay to get their hands on one.
Ended up with the following in a 2RB, 3 WR, 1 Flex Format.
RB- Foster, Lamar Miller, Lacy, Ryan Mathews, Tate, Levon Bell.
WR- DEZ, T.Y. Hilton, Mike Wallace, Vincent Brown.
What killed me was the Tom Brady owner who took Tony Romo in the 6th.
So I ended up with Big Ben and Cutler@ QB. Eifert @ TE.
I got the Matt Millen Award for worst draft from CBS Fantasy Journalist, so I changed the name of my team to Matt Millen's Revenge and changed my logo to that classic photo of Raider Matt Millen decking Patriots GM Patrick Sullivan on the field with a wicked right cross and a hand full of helmet.
FU Fantasy Journalist!
thats brutal dudeJust had a draft... 26 of first 28 picks was RB. HOLY SCHNEIKES! Calvin slipped to early second, graham to mid 2nd. I went RB, RB, RB again and even a RB in the fifth but the rest of my team looks awful...
Qb: kap
Rb: rice, sjax, lacy, bradshaw
Wr: johnson, gordon, austin
Te: gates
Doing it over i wouldve taken graham in the 2nd or a wr over bradshaw
Wait - you have a bye week the first week of your playoffs? You're kidding right?Just completed a FGB draft and didn't go into the draft with the intent of an Upside down draft, but that is how it unfolded. I passed on Spiller in round 1 because I was uncomfortable with the QB situation and his week 12 bye (first week of playoffs). I thought that either Sjax or Lynch would fall to me in RD2 (Yes, I know Lynch has a week 12 bye too, but I like his situation). Both were snapped up before my next pick, so I went strictly by VDB which was AJ Green. Now I am hoping that Miller slips to me in round 3 but he goes off the pick before. So again I look at the VDB say AJo is screaming value at me. So my first three picks are WR-WR-WR. So now I have to scramble for RBs.
I will say this was one of the weirdest FGB drafts I been a part of. Two different teams took TWO QBs in the first 8 rounds, and one of said teams took TWO defenses in the first 11 rounds. Wild stuff.
My roster:
QB: Vic, Flacco
RB: Mathews, Ingram, Tate, Hillman, Ballard, PT, A. Brown, Zac Stacy
WR: Dez, AJGreen, AJo, Hopkins, Avery, Gibson
TE: Cook, Rudolph
K: Hartley
D: Bengals
I admit RBs are a mess but I plan to play match ups at the position and hope I can make up points from my WR/TE position.
The FBG contest has 'league' playoffs then, big money playoffs are weeks 14-16.Wait - you have a bye week the first week of your playoffs? You're kidding right?
Youre top shelf everywhere but RB. I also came to the conclusion a couple weeks ago Murray is being more undervalued than he probably should be. Also like Gordon/Hilton a lot.Went upside down with Brees, Calvin, Roddy, Gronk
My RBs ended up being Lacy, Murray, DRich, Bryce Brown, Hillman. I'm actually feeling good about this menagerie, tho I'm sure others will disagree.
Ten teams, start 1/2/3 no flex, 6 pt pass TDs, 0.5 ppr. Got Hilton and Gordon as my WR3.
I went upside down too. I like your team alot and your rb's are not really that bad considering what you got in the early rounds.Kenny Powers said:Youre top shelf everywhere but RB. I also came to the conclusion a couple weeks ago Murray is being more undervalued than he probably should be. Also like Gordon/Hilton a lot.LawFitz said:Went upside down with Brees, Calvin, Roddy, Gronk
My RBs ended up being Lacy, Murray, DRich, Bryce Brown, Hillman. I'm actually feeling good about this menagerie, tho I'm sure others will disagree.
Ten teams, start 1/2/3 no flex, 6 pt pass TDs, 0.5 ppr. Got Hilton and Gordon as my WR3.
Like I said earlier, I think its easier to forego RB in smaller leagues and definitely believe it now. On the other hand, it totally depends on the roster, but based on yours if you have have an injury to Lacy or Murray, youre not in a good situation.
No takers who wanted to give an extra pick. In mocks, I didn't see drop off from ADP to others as big as drop off in second round. ADP is no LT2 or Priest or Shaun Alexander. I tried, I failed. We'll see what happens. Thx for replying.You swapped from first to 6th and didn't pick up an extra 4th round pick? That was a swindle. Sorry but that team #1 looks stout. ADP is the cherry on top, and you got no value for him. Good luck!
Correct. ADP is better than those guys.No takers who wanted to give an extra pick. In mocks, I didn't see drop off from ADP to others as big as drop off in second round. ADP is no LT2 or Priest or Shaun Alexander. I tried, I failed. We'll see what happens. Thx for replying.You swapped from first to 6th and didn't pick up an extra 4th round pick? That was a swindle. Sorry but that team #1 looks stout. ADP is the cherry on top, and you got no value for him. Good luck!
I was saying all along that in ten-team leagues that start 2 RBs with no flex, that there would be enough depth to get by with an upside-down strategy. Well that it is if one believes in the likes of Lacy, Murray, DRich, etc to be serviceable.Kenny Powers said:Youre top shelf everywhere but RB. I also came to the conclusion a couple weeks ago Murray is being more undervalued than he probably should be. Also like Gordon/Hilton a lot.LawFitz said:Went upside down with Brees, Calvin, Roddy, Gronk
My RBs ended up being Lacy, Murray, DRich, Bryce Brown, Hillman. I'm actually feeling good about this menagerie, tho I'm sure others will disagree.
Ten teams, start 1/2/3 no flex, 6 pt pass TDs, 0.5 ppr. Got Hilton and Gordon as my WR3.
Like I said earlier, I think its easier to forego RB in smaller leagues and definitely believe it now. On the other hand, it totally depends on the roster, but based on yours if you have have an injury to Lacy or Murray, youre not in a good situation.
I don't think that you are so bad off. Calvin/DT/Andre/DMC/RB2 is respectable as compared to ADP/RB2/Julio/VJax/??No takers who wanted to give an extra pick. In mocks, I didn't see drop off from ADP to others as big as drop off in second round. ADP is no LT2 or Priest or Shaun Alexander. I tried, I failed. We'll see what happens. Thx for replying.You swapped from first to 6th and didn't pick up an extra 4th round pick? That was a swindle. Sorry but that team #1 looks stout. ADP is the cherry on top, and you got no value for him. Good luck!
Not in fantasy football he isn't.Correct. ADP is better than those guys.No takers who wanted to give an extra pick. In mocks, I didn't see drop off from ADP to others as big as drop off in second round. ADP is no LT2 or Priest or Shaun Alexander. I tried, I failed. We'll see what happens. Thx for replying.You swapped from first to 6th and didn't pick up an extra 4th round pick? That was a swindle. Sorry but that team #1 looks stout. ADP is the cherry on top, and you got no value for him. Good luck!
You are getting way too fancy trading out of the 1.01. I offered a lot to get up to the 1.01 in every draft this year and could never get it. AP has been a top 5 fantasy RB every one of the last 5 seasons, I believe. He was top 3 in 2011 before going down with the injury late in the year.