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Craig_MiamiFL
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Right guy at the right time. (with his payday)
I do think he's in Top 15 RB's in the league right now. But after the first handful of RB's, you're looking at guys that'll be replaced sooner rather than later.
I do think he's in Top 15 RB's in the league right now. But after the first handful of RB's, you're looking at guys that'll be replaced sooner rather than later.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Grant plays 1-2 more years and then is out of the league.
If he's lucky. If i were the Pack i'd release him and save some money as he can be let go cheap before his roster bonus kicks in.ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
the packers OL was beat up and pretty ineffective last year. if nobody believes it for Grant's downyear simply look how Rodgers was beat to a pulp in many of the Packs games. Grant heldout and then turned and strained his hammy. it was a perfect storm of bad #### for Grant
with a healthy OL, and dominant defense(the best combo for a RB) Grant finished like he was on fire in 2007. u don't break as many longruns as Grant did in 07 by having 'no talent'. the offense changed with Rodgers and still is evolving. i've heard that Grant will be worked more back into the passing game and be on the field more in those situations. true Brandon Jackson is a explosive cog and the packers want to get him involved somehow........ he directly lead to Rodgers getting nailed many many times being the 3rd down COP.
with a healthy OL, and dominant defense(the best combo for a RB) Grant finished like he was on fire in 2007. u don't break as many longruns as Grant did in 07 by having 'no talent'. the offense changed with Rodgers and still is evolving. i've heard that Grant will be worked more back into the passing game and be on the field more in those situations. true Brandon Jackson is a explosive cog and the packers want to get him involved somehow........ he directly lead to Rodgers getting nailed many many times being the 3rd down COP.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I don't think he was ever healthy last year either.With Tauscher most likely out, Clifton coming back from injury...the line is a big issue at this point...but could fill out depending on free agency and the draft.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Kregg Lumpkin should be on people's radar too.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
The OL was terrible, will be even worse with Clifton declining and Tauscher possibly not coming back. Additionally, the move to a 3-4 will be a complete train wreck, so it's not hard to imagine the Pack playing from behind all year.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Should...but coming off of injury of his own.
sho nuff
Footballguy
So was it more the line or more grant?CLifton was hurting...hopefully, he is better this year (though, not holding my breath yet).What I meant by good situation...is there is no big time talent behind him pushing for his carries.THe move will be a complete train wreck? Im glad you can see into the future.
Craig_MiamiFL
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His home/road splits were quite large in 2008:
Road: 163 attempts 475 yards 2.91 ypc
Home: 149 attempts 728 yards 4.89 ypc
Perhaps if you have the luxury this year, bench him on the road.
Road: 163 attempts 475 yards 2.91 ypc
Home: 149 attempts 728 yards 4.89 ypc
Perhaps if you have the luxury this year, bench him on the road.
OL and health made last year a disaster. I could "buy" that 2007 was a career-high type year but, 2008 was like murphy's law or somesuch with him.
In 09, GB is only going to go as far as that OL takes them. I mean it has to be dramatically improved before we even discuss Rodgers or Grant's potential. I think each could be very good if they can put a good OL in front of them. I wouldn't doubt that's one of the Packers offseason agendas so...let's wait and see.
In 09, GB is only going to go as far as that OL takes them. I mean it has to be dramatically improved before we even discuss Rodgers or Grant's potential. I think each could be very good if they can put a good OL in front of them. I wouldn't doubt that's one of the Packers offseason agendas so...let's wait and see.
bcr8f
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Banger
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I could see either scenario. That's the problem with backing a Grant, E. Graham, etc. They aren't particularly talented but have decent value because they are a starter but you can't build around them because they always have the threat of being replaced. With guys like him you have to enjoy it while it lasts but I always try to deal them in a package for an upgrade (like I did with Grant last year).
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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Sell Grant while you can IMO... you might get another year out of him, but you might not.
gianmarco
Footballguy
While his ypc was definitely not something to be proud of, the guy still ranked #9 in the NFL in total rushing yds with over 1200 and put up the same ypc as Forte and LT (this year). What was missing was the TDs or people are much more bullish on Grant going into 2009. Keep in mind that only scoring 4 TDs on that many yds is NOT the norm and is not indicative of him not being able to score. Look at T. Jones in 2007 vs. 2008.
Here's another thing to keep in mind when you look at these stat lines:
RB #1 == 280 carries/1115 yds/7 TDs and 18 rec/184 yds/0 TD (4.0 ypc and 3 games of 100+ rushing yds)
RB #2 == 312 carries/1203 yds/4 TDs and 18 rec/116 yds/1 TD (3.9 ypc and 4 games of 100+ rushing yds)
The difference between those 2 stat lines is 20 more yds for RB #2 and 2 more TDs for RB #1.
Ryan Grant 2008 is RB #2 (in his 2nd year and really even less than that since he played half a year in 2007)
Marshawn Lynch 2007 is RB #1
Think of the perception of Lynch after last year with those #'s and I wonder why Grant isn't getting more love. Everyone placing Lynch in the top 10 (and even top 5) after that rookie year had all kinds of excuses for the O-line in Buffalo but Grant isn't afforded the same consideration.
ETA--According to the historical data dominator, only 15 RBs have ever rushed for 1200+ yds and scored 4 TDs or less.
Here's another thing to keep in mind when you look at these stat lines:
RB #1 == 280 carries/1115 yds/7 TDs and 18 rec/184 yds/0 TD (4.0 ypc and 3 games of 100+ rushing yds)
RB #2 == 312 carries/1203 yds/4 TDs and 18 rec/116 yds/1 TD (3.9 ypc and 4 games of 100+ rushing yds)
The difference between those 2 stat lines is 20 more yds for RB #2 and 2 more TDs for RB #1.
Ryan Grant 2008 is RB #2 (in his 2nd year and really even less than that since he played half a year in 2007)
Marshawn Lynch 2007 is RB #1
Think of the perception of Lynch after last year with those #'s and I wonder why Grant isn't getting more love. Everyone placing Lynch in the top 10 (and even top 5) after that rookie year had all kinds of excuses for the O-line in Buffalo but Grant isn't afforded the same consideration.
ETA--According to the historical data dominator, only 15 RBs have ever rushed for 1200+ yds and scored 4 TDs or less.
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1 Ryan Grant rb 2008 26 4 16 312 1203 3.86 4 161.902 Willie Parker rb 2007 27 4 15 321 1316 4.10 2 160.003 Reuben Droughns rb 2005 27 5 16 309 1232 3.99 2 172.104 Warrick Dunn rb 2005 30 9 16 280 1416 5.06 3 187.605 Willie Parker rb 2005 25 2 15 255 1202 4.71 4 172.006 Fred Taylor rb 2004 28 7 14 260 1224 4.71 2 174.907 Tiki Barber rb 2003 28 7 16 278 1216 4.37 2 185.708 Curtis Martin rb 2003 30 9 16 323 1308 4.05 2 169.009 Garrison Hearst rb 2001 30 8 16 252 1206 4.79 4 185.3010 Charlie Garner rb 1999 27 6 16 241 1229 5.10 4 212.4011 Duce Staley rb 1999 24 3 16 325 1273 3.92 4 192.7012 Barry Sanders rb 1998 30 10 16 343 1491 4.35 4 202.0013 Freeman McNeil rb 1985 26 5 14 294 1331 4.53 3 205.8014 Tony Dorsett rb 1981 27 5 16 342 1646 4.81 4 233.1015 William Andrews rb 1980 25 2 16 265 1308 4.94 4 206.40
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Banger
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I'm not a big Lynch fan but that's a nice comparison. What's not apparent in those numbers is that Grant started off real slow due to a leg injury which hampered him in the 1st 3-4 games. In a redraft if all stayed as it is now, I'd definitely pass on Lynch who I feel is overrated and snap up Grant later who's underrated.
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Dr. Octopus
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People have to remember he sat out of camp and then started the season with hamstring issues. A hamstring injury does not go away quickly and if you watched him run you could see he was hampered early in the season - the burst just wasn't there. By season's end he started looking like the 2007 version despite the 0-line struggles in Green Bay.
Grant is certainly not an elite talent, but he's very good at what he's asked to do in the zone blocking scheme. He makes his one cut and turns upfield quickly. He has the size and speed to be effective if he runs with the right discipline in that scheme and so far he has shown that he can do it.
He has a Notre Dame pedigree and caught the eye of Ernie Accorsi and Ted Thompson, not exactly bush league executives. Don't write him off too quickly after a "down" but better season that most realize.
Grant is certainly not an elite talent, but he's very good at what he's asked to do in the zone blocking scheme. He makes his one cut and turns upfield quickly. He has the size and speed to be effective if he runs with the right discipline in that scheme and so far he has shown that he can do it.
He has a Notre Dame pedigree and caught the eye of Ernie Accorsi and Ted Thompson, not exactly bush league executives. Don't write him off too quickly after a "down" but better season that most realize.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
In 2007 the guy was explosive. He would pick his spots and hit the hole as hard as anyone in the NFL. It's hard for me to believe that ability is just gone now.
bcr8f
Footballguy
If you take the 2nd half of the season and project ot he would have had 1232 total yards had he not held out. With the awful o line play a starting RB for a top offense(not RBBC) is worth more than a 4th round pick.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Umm, no offense, but he had over 1300 total yds without projecting out.
Phurfur
Footballguy
Thanks for that laugh again. Grant gain 1200 yards in 14 starts last year something Barlow never got close to.Grant's 3.9 YPC and TD production last year concern me more than anything else but I don't think people should overlook his holdout and hamstring injury. From the responses in this tread it looks like Grant could represent some value next year.
Tigerbot Hesh
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That's the whole dilemma with Grant, dynasty-wise. Unless you're really stocked at RB, anyone you pick up will probably be a downgrade. He's a No. 2 RB in a situation to prodoce like a No. 1 if everything (offensive line, good defense, stays healthy) falls his way.
The Man With No Name
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3 weeks ago I gave Grant+Michael Bush for Jonathan Stewart (14 team Dynasty league)
bcr8f
Footballguy
Kevan BarlowSan Francisco 49ers
After enjoying a breakout 2003 season behind a run blocking line in which Barlow had a 5.1 yard per carry average and 1024 yards, the 49ers gave him the starting job by releasing Garrison Hearst. The 2004 season was an underachieving year for Barlow, where he didn't reach the 1000 yard mark despite being the primary back. At one point he was lowerd to second string by Coach Dennis Erickson in favor of Maurice Hicks. In the 2005 NFL Draft the 49ers selected Frank Gore to be the backup running back behind Barlow.
The 2005 season seemed to mark a rebound in his running game. He had 420 yards on 102 carries for a 4.0 average through 7 games but finished the season with just 581 yards on 176 carries for only 3.3 statistics, the San Francisco offensive line became one of the worst in the league after the 2003 season and seems to be largely behind Barlow's struggles, although it should be noted that Frank Gore was able to make do with this same troubled offensive line with more success than Barlow.
[edit]New York Jets
In August 2006 Barlow was traded to the New York Jets for a fourth-round draft pick. He then caused a controversy when he compared San Francisco 49ers coach Mike Nolan to Nazi Dictator Adolf Hitler. :( Barlow told the Contra Costa Times that Nolan "walks around with a chip on his shoulder, like he's a dictator, like he's Hitler." Barlow quickly called back the paper and apologized for his comments.
Ron_Mexico
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Tigerbot Hesh said:Trey said:
I own him in a couple of leagues, and I have no problem holding him.I've receives quite a few lowball offers for him. I think his value increasessubstantially in 2009 compared to the present moment.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I know more than a few people who are surprised that a) He logged over 300 carries and b) Ran for over 1200 yds
The thing working for Grant is that he improved as the year went on and looked better as well. I guess we'll see if they look for someone to come in and replace him but I don't see that being the case.
The thing working for Grant is that he improved as the year went on and looked better as well. I guess we'll see if they look for someone to come in and replace him but I don't see that being the case.
inzanitee
Footballguy
Grant was also recovering from a hammy injury for part of the year. I think he'll improve this season. Not elite, but a nice runningback.
Lott's Fingertip
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Tony S?
Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
Some dude just tried to offer me Grant and Evans for my Witten and Sproiles. Not bad looking on paper but not even close to what I would accept for Witten and Sproiles at this point of time. Especially the fact Witten gets double PPR in this league.
I think Sproiles>Grant dynasty value right now.
Witten is the king of TE-WR in this TE double point ppr set up.
The dude was trying to rape me. I countered Wayne instead of Evans. He turned it down and probably a good thing for me. Sproiles value about to sky rocket once LT is released.
I think Sproiles>Grant dynasty value right now.
Witten is the king of TE-WR in this TE double point ppr set up.
The dude was trying to rape me. I countered Wayne instead of Evans. He turned it down and probably a good thing for me. Sproiles value about to sky rocket once LT is released.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
5'7"180 lbsPart timer.I love watching the guy, but any skyrocketing in his value is going to last about as long as it takes San Diego to find his RBBC partner.
BigJim®
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
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Toxic Gatorade
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I've got a chance to get Ryan Grant/1.08 for Ricky Williams/1.04
As much as I like Grant, I just don't think I can pull this off. I do like Grant this year as long as he stays healthy. But with Aaron Rogers stealing so many goalline TDs last year, I wonder if that will continue in 2009.
As much as I like Grant, I just don't think I can pull this off. I do like Grant this year as long as he stays healthy. But with Aaron Rogers stealing so many goalline TDs last year, I wonder if that will continue in 2009.
ChuckLiddell
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I would make that trade FAST!Grant has a ton more value than Ricky in any format - especially in Dynasty. Personally, I dont see a huge difference between the 4th and 8th pick in this year's rookie draft.Locate trigger, and PULL!
Tigerbot Hesh
Footballguy
Not to turn this into the assistant coach's forum, but I like this deal too. Rodgers had 4 rushing Tds last year, but three of them came in the first seix weeks (the other was in Week 12). If the running game rounds back into form, then those scores will go to the running backs.
Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
5'7'' 180 has it's advantages as you saw a lot this year. Yes, S.D. doesn't plan to make him a full time back but franchised him because of his value. But he wants to be a full time back and S.D. will not be able to hold onto him forever. He will get his chance some day just like Turner did in Atlanta finally and Sproiles owners will not be dissapointed when it happens. I still say Sproils>Grant dynasty value. Redraft for 2009 maybe not. We will see.very
BigJim®
Footballguy
Really? Wow, I give Williams throw in value and view this as 1.4 for 1.8/Grant. This looks like a no-brainer to me to acquire a starting RB.
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