Ryan Grant (1 Viewer)

[FUBAR]

I ask because I don't have a good feel for the situation in Green Bay. I like Grant a fair amount and thought he was going to be a good value this year. Clearly with the injury he has no value this year but in a dynasty, is anyone trading for him?

I don't think Jackson takes over long term, but obviously there is the risk that he takes over long term. Grant isn't an exceptional talent but he's a good player, those types can get replaced with injuries if the new guy does as good or better.

Is the injury anything to worry about, past this year?

I'm inclined to think he would rank somewhere in the 30s if trading a RB for him, a guy like Jacobs or Sproles seem like a decent deal. Maybe a 2nd round pick?

 

[LionsFan78]

Very good question for dynasty. I don't pretend to be a salary cap-guy, (so anyone with more knowledge/insight on it please chime in), but I see he's due $3.5 million next year, w/ 1.75M roster bonus due in March. What does that mean for the team, would they actually save any money whatsoever by letting him go, should B. Jackson do well this year? Or does that salary practically guarantee him a spot?

 

[NorrisB]

Id say his value is pretty much circuling the drain, next year he will be turning 28 yo and football is a young mans position Id say he's around RB 40-50 range and worth about a third round pick

 

[NorrisB]

Id say his value is about Portis' this year RB40-50

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Marginally-talented 28-year old RBs coming off major surgery and a year off don't have a stellar history. I'd be surprised if he's ever puts another season of positive VBD.

 

[culdeus]

no value at all. Especially with the lockout.

 

[NoCheese]

Id say his value is pretty much circuling the drain, next year he will be turning 28 yo and football is a young mans position Id say he's around RB 40-50 range and worth about a third round pick

He's the 40th - 50th best RB yet worth a Top 30-36 pick (assuming a 10-12 team league)? It's still early, so perhaps I missed something.

 

[Todem]

His value is in the toliet.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Id say his value is pretty much circuling the drain, next year he will be turning 28 yo and football is a young mans position Id say he's around RB 40-50 range and worth about a third round pick

He's the 40th - 50th best RB yet worth a Top 30-36 pick (assuming a 10-12 team league)? It's still early, so perhaps I missed something.

He's talking about a third round rookie pick in dynasty leagues - those aren't worth a great deal.

 

[Warhogs]

I see I voted a bit higher than most. I put him in the RB 12-24 range and mid to late first round pick categories. The ranges seemed a bit widespread for me. Ryan Grant never seems to do anything eye popping but his best traits have been durability (until now), and ball security. The guy is a pounder and grinder with decent skills but his reliability in holding onto the football is probably the most underrated thing about him. I would think Green Bay would return him to his starter status next year but the life of an NFL RB is not very long on average so you never know.

 

[FUBAR]

Marginally-talented 28-year old RBs coming off major surgery and a year off don't have a stellar history. I'd be surprised if he's ever puts another season of positive VBD.

How do you mean, marginally? He seems to be above average, nothing special but not marginal. Is he worth more than Lynch, Jacobs, or Sproles types?

 

[ThePittbully]

No surprise his value is low, he was already valued much much lower than his actual production

 

[footballnerd]

I ask because I don't have a good feel for the situation in Green Bay. I like Grant a fair amount and thought he was going to be a good value this year. Clearly with the injury he has no value this year but in a dynasty, is anyone trading for him?

I don't think Jackson takes over long term, but obviously there is the risk that he takes over long term. Grant isn't an exceptional talent but he's a good player, those types can get replaced with injuries if the new guy does as good or better.

Is the injury anything to worry about, past this year?

I'm inclined to think he would rank somewhere in the 30s if trading a RB for him, a guy like Jacobs or Sproles seem like a decent deal. Maybe a 2nd round pick?

Brandon Jackson is not new to the Packers, he's had shots at taking the starting job and lost to Grant. I'd worry more about Grants health.

 

[Benchwarmers]

Starks could be starting in 2011

 

[Phantom Knight]

I would not want Grant on my dynasty squad as any more than my rb3.

Reasons:

* he is returning from a serious injury and he was not an elite back before the injury

* I have enough of a sense of Green Bay looking for a (long term) replacement to Grant. The Lynch rumors may turn out to be nothing but air. But, the quick pick up of the back off Atlanta's practice squad. James Starks lurking in the background, et al.

In my mind, Grant has at best a 50/50 chance to return next year as the starter. I might be willing to take that bet on my

rb3, I might not. Sometimes we don't have a choice, but if I did have other options, I'd be very leery Grant.

 

[Go deep]

I just moved him down to RB43 in my rankings, in the Jacobs/Hightower range. That is probably generous as i think his starting days are over.

 

[Glaven]

There's a good chance his fantasy career is over. If I owned him in a dynasty I'd try and use him as a piece in a combo deal just to get rid of him.

 

[footballnerd]

Starks could be starting in 2011

That is true

 

[NorrisB]

Marginally-talented 28-year old RBs coming off major surgery and a year off don't have a stellar history. I'd be surprised if he's ever puts another season of positive VBD.

How do you mean, marginally? He seems to be above average, nothing special but not marginal. Is he worth more than Lynch, Jacobs, or Sproles types?

right now no, Id rather roll the dice with them as most people are near cited and you could probably get more for them for a RB needy owner. Lynch Id definitely rather have as he may be traded and in that case his value is alot high being only 24

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

People have hated Grant since he came into the league. He's out for the season, not for his career. People say he's a 3rd round rookie pick? NFW.

 

[Tau837]

Grant has said that he could have returned later this season, but the Packers couldn't afford to hold his roster spot that long, which is why he was placed on IR. That implies that his injury shouldn't be an issue for next year and beyond.

Grant has always been underrated around here. In 2007, he took over for the Packers in week 8. From that point through the end of the season, he was RB5. In 2008, he held out and played through a hamstring injury early in the season, but he was RB12 in the second half of the season. In 2009, in his only healthy full season, he was RB8. That is excellent production. And it was generally expected to continue this season; FBG had him ranked as RB9 by consensus before the season.

He will be 28 in December 2010. Some seem to think that is old, but he will be a low mileage 28, with only 919 career touches to date.

Who are the threats to his playing time? Jackson appears to be the biggest threat, but he hasn't been able to show much in the past. Kuhn is a RBBC guy IMO. People are talking about Starks, but he's a 6th round rookie draft pick who already has to go on the PUP list. And we're talking about a guy signed off another team's practice squad as a credible threat? I don't think so.

People are talking about Lynch or others who could be had via trade, but how often do in season trades happen? Not often. And in the offseason, by all accounts Grant will be healthy, so there will be no pressing need to trade for a RB at that point, unless they are unwilling to pay him the $1.75M roster bonus and $3.5M salary he is due in 2011. But how likely are they to be able to trade for or sign a better RB than Grant to whom they would pay less? I don't see any trade scenario as being likely.

So IMO the only credible threat to Grant's role for next year is Jackson. But Jackson himself is a free agent after this season. So we'd have to assume he plays great and that the Packers choose to resign him for whatever that costs at that point. Otherwise, Grant should be starting.

And what if Jackson plays great and is resigned? Then wouldn't the Packers potentially cut or trade Grant? In that case, he could potentially have solid value elsewhere.

Add it all up, and he has good value IMO. I voted 25-36 and 2nd in the poll.

Full disclosure: I picked up Grant in a dynasty league in which his owner cut him.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Starks could be starting in 2011

That is true

So could Dimitri if/when he gets a shot this year.

 

[DropKick]

People have hated Grant since he came into the league. He's out for the season, not for his career. People say he's a 3rd round rookie pick? NFW.

Rookie picks imply deep keeper or dynasty leagues. Grant's injury is pretty serious (who knows how effective he can be?), he is likely not with the Packers (contract $) and his age is up there for a RB. I'd have no interest in Grant in the early rounds.

 

[DropKick]

So IMO the only credible threat to Grant's role for next year is Jackson. But Jackson himself is a free agent after this season. So we'd have to assume he plays great and that the Packers choose to resign him for whatever that costs at that point. Otherwise, Grant should be starting.

They hold a draft in April. And many things can change in a year.With ligament damage in the ankle, approaching 30, and contract escalators the Packers probably don't pay... Grant probably has to restructure to stay in Green Bay.

 

[Tau837]

So IMO the only credible threat to Grant's role for next year is Jackson. But Jackson himself is a free agent after this season. So we'd have to assume he plays great and that the Packers choose to resign him for whatever that costs at that point. Otherwise, Grant should be starting.

They hold a draft in April. And many things can change in a year.With ligament damage in the ankle, approaching 30, and contract escalators the Packers probably don't pay... Grant probably has to restructure to stay in Green Bay.

Approaching 30? He's 27 right now. Seems like you are stretching the facts to fit your already formed opinion.I'll just agree to disagree at this point, and we'll see how it plays out.

 

[SSOG]

Grant has said that he could have returned later this season, but the Packers couldn't afford to hold his roster spot that long, which is why he was placed on IR. That implies that his injury shouldn't be an issue for next year and beyond.

Grant has always been underrated around here. In 2007, he took over for the Packers in week 8. From that point through the end of the season, he was RB5. In 2008, he held out and played through a hamstring injury early in the season, but he was RB12 in the second half of the season. In 2009, in his only healthy full season, he was RB8. That is excellent production. And it was generally expected to continue this season; FBG had him ranked as RB9 by consensus before the season.

He will be 28 in December 2010. Some seem to think that is old, but he will be a low mileage 28, with only 919 career touches to date.

Who are the threats to his playing time? Jackson appears to be the biggest threat, but he hasn't been able to show much in the past. Kuhn is a RBBC guy IMO. People are talking about Starks, but he's a 6th round rookie draft pick who already has to go on the PUP list. And we're talking about a guy signed off another team's practice squad as a credible threat? I don't think so.

People are talking about Lynch or others who could be had via trade, but how often do in season trades happen? Not often. And in the offseason, by all accounts Grant will be healthy, so there will be no pressing need to trade for a RB at that point, unless they are unwilling to pay him the $1.75M roster bonus and $3.5M salary he is due in 2011. But how likely are they to be able to trade for or sign a better RB than Grant to whom they would pay less? I don't see any trade scenario as being likely.

So IMO the only credible threat to Grant's role for next year is Jackson. But Jackson himself is a free agent after this season. So we'd have to assume he plays great and that the Packers choose to resign him for whatever that costs at that point. Otherwise, Grant should be starting.

And what if Jackson plays great and is resigned? Then wouldn't the Packers potentially cut or trade Grant? In that case, he could potentially have solid value elsewhere.

Add it all up, and he has good value IMO. I voted 25-36 and 2nd in the poll.

Full disclosure: I picked up Grant in a dynasty league in which his owner cut him.

I think Ryan Grant's career could be over. That's very different from saying that I think Ryan Grant's career is over. I think there's a good (not fantastic, but good) chance that Grant is starting somewhere next year. If it's not for Green Bay, I think his days as a fantasy RB1 are over, although I think he could eke out another season or two of RB2 or flex value (think: Reuben Droughns in Cleveland). If he does regain his job in Green Bay, I think he has another season or two of high-end RB2 production left in him. That's a decent gamble to take. I'd trade a 2nd round rookie pick for him, provided it's a late 2nd rounder. 1-2 more years as a starter is more of a return than I'd ever expect from a pick outside of the top 20.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

People have hated Grant since he came into the league. He's out for the season, not for his career. People say he's a 3rd round rookie pick? NFW.

Rookie picks imply deep keeper or dynasty leagues. Grant's injury is pretty serious (who knows how effective he can be?), he is likely not with the Packers (contract $) and his age is up there for a RB. I'd have no interest in Grant in the early rounds.

The 2nd round of a dynasty rookie draft is littered with players that do not pan out. I suppose I could compile several league's drafts to show you, but a 2nd round rookie pick usually doesn't end up becoming a FF starter. I'd estimate 10% of 2nd round rookie picks become FF starters. So you'd value that over a proven RB coming back from injury? Why?

 

[DropKick]

So IMO the only credible threat to Grant's role for next year is Jackson. But Jackson himself is a free agent after this season. So we'd have to assume he plays great and that the Packers choose to resign him for whatever that costs at that point. Otherwise, Grant should be starting.

They hold a draft in April. And many things can change in a year.With ligament damage in the ankle, approaching 30, and contract escalators the Packers probably don't pay... Grant probably has to restructure to stay in Green Bay.

Approaching 30? He's 27 right now. Seems like you are stretching the facts to fit your already formed opinion.I'll just agree to disagree at this point, and we'll see how it plays out.

I don't care about his age today. At this time next season (the earliest he might return), he'll be a few months shy of 29. I think that's approaching 30 to most people. Things, especially RBs, don't last forever in the NFL.And, yes, we'll see how it plays out. I wish Grant the best. But, people do have to make roster decisions based on the probability of him being successful again. If you have a deep rosters, you can hold him until things shake out a bit. With limited bench, you can handicap yourself this season and possibility miss out on an up and coming talent.

 

[DropKick]

People have hated Grant since he came into the league. He's out for the season, not for his career. People say he's a 3rd round rookie pick? NFW.

Rookie picks imply deep keeper or dynasty leagues. Grant's injury is pretty serious (who knows how effective he can be?), he is likely not with the Packers (contract $) and his age is up there for a RB. I'd have no interest in Grant in the early rounds.

The 2nd round of a dynasty rookie draft is littered with players that do not pan out. I suppose I could compile several league's drafts to show you, but a 2nd round rookie pick usually doesn't end up becoming a FF starter. I'd estimate 10% of 2nd round rookie picks become FF starters. So you'd value that over a proven RB coming back from injury? Why?

Depends on the injury. Broken bones are one thing, ligaments another. Like an ACL, there is physical healing and also mental too. If at this time next year, he is a 100% "go" - I might give you a different answer. But, what if he is only 80% and questions still linger? Look at Sidney Rice this season. No one expected his injury to take the downturn that it did. Injuries are a real concern; what if a guy loses a step or two? What if he becomes a little tentative? What if the coaching staff now feels they have to manage his touches?Change is a constant in the NFL and youth typically prevails. Maybe Jackson succeeds this season. Perhaps a kid like Starks show some flashes. Maybe the Packers add a RB in the draft or make a trade for somebody. Maybe Grant isn't a Packer. Either way, your outlook for Grant is negatively affected.

I agree there are many busts in rookie drafts but I think your 10% estimate is a little low. As I already mentioned, Grant will turn 29 next season with an injury history. How much career upside does he have? Would I rather have him or a 22 year old kid? If I went into the draft needing a starter and all the reports were good... I might pick Grant. But, in general, I will go with youth because that is what I value in rookie drafts - long term potential.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Depends on the injury. Broken bones are one thing, ligaments another. Like an ACL, there is physical healing and also mental too. If at this time next year, he is a 100% "go" - I might give you a different answer. But, what if he is only 80% and questions still linger? Look at Sidney Rice this season. No one expected his injury to take the downturn that it did. Injuries are a real concern; what if a guy loses a step or two? What if he becomes a little tentative? What if the coaching staff now feels they have to manage his touches?

This isn't the 1980s. People come back from injuries like this now.

I agree there are many busts in rookie drafts but I think your 10% estimate is a little low. It isn't.

 

[DropKick]

Depends on the injury. Broken bones are one thing, ligaments another. Like an ACL, there is physical healing and also mental too. If at this time next year, he is a 100% "go" - I might give you a different answer. But, what if he is only 80% and questions still linger? Look at Sidney Rice this season. No one expected his injury to take the downturn that it did. Injuries are a real concern; what if a guy loses a step or two? What if he becomes a little tentative? What if the coaching staff now feels they have to manage his touches?

This isn't the 1980s. People come back from injuries like this now.

I agree there are many busts in rookie drafts but I think your 10% estimate is a little low. It isn't.

God bless your faith in modern medicine but every injury and every player is different. Sidney Rice isn't from the 80s... There are no guarantees. Just like a rookie, Grant now has his question marks.

You need to clarlify your 10% figure; fantasy starters THAT year or in their career? I hardly ever expect immediate production from a rookie.

 

[Ariakis]

A young 28 with not a ton of mileage. If Starks or Jackson excel that could hurt but if they are just average I think he'll be just fine. An RB2 next year and worth a late 1st. Couldn't blame someone for lowering his value for the risk associated but not that much!

 

[SSOG]

Depends on the injury. Broken bones are one thing, ligaments another. Like an ACL, there is physical healing and also mental too. If at this time next year, he is a 100% "go" - I might give you a different answer. But, what if he is only 80% and questions still linger? Look at Sidney Rice this season. No one expected his injury to take the downturn that it did. Injuries are a real concern; what if a guy loses a step or two? What if he becomes a little tentative? What if the coaching staff now feels they have to manage his touches?

This isn't the 1980s. People come back from injuries like this now.

I agree there are many busts in rookie drafts but I think your 10% estimate is a little low. It isn't.

God bless your faith in modern medicine but every injury and every player is different. Sidney Rice isn't from the 80s... There are no guarantees. Just like a rookie, Grant now has his question marks.

You need to clarlify your 10% figure; fantasy starters THAT year or in their career? I hardly ever expect immediate production from a rookie.

Here's a list of the 2nd round rookie picks from my 10-team dynasty league from 2007-2009:2007- Brady Quinn, Ted Ginn, Steve Smith North, Dwayne Jarrett, Sidney Rice, Greg Olsen, Craig Davis, Lorenzo Booker, Brian Leonard, John Beck

2008- Desean Jackson, James Hardy, Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Eddie Royal, Jacob Hester, Josh Morgan, Dustin Keller, Joe Flacco, Donnie Avery

2009- Matthew Stafford, Glen Coffee, James Davis, Kenny Britt, Jared Cook, Darrius Hayward-Bey, Brandon Pettigrew, Tom Brandstater, Mike Thomas, Bernard Scott

Remember, too, that this is a 10-team league (so the first two names on each list would technically be first rounders in a 12-teamer). There are a couple of hits, but a whole lotta misses.