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Ryan Leaf is back! (1 Viewer)
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Texasmouth
Footballguy
West Texas A&M and Texas A&M are two different schools. West Texas A&M was never anything to worry about.
ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!
Good to see A&M is no longer a team worth worrying about.
Dammit. got excited there - it would be nice to win a road game once in awhile.
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Hopefully he doesnt also teach his QBs about Public Relations and dealing with the media lol
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The Hank
Footballguy
Hopefully he doesnt also teach his QBs about Public Relations and dealing with the media lol
i wonder how he would handle his press conference.. (ryan leaf says) "hello, my name is ryan leaf"(after first question....)
(ryan leaf says) "you shut your mouth when your talking to me!"
Godsbrother
Footballguy
All they need is Lawrence Phillips as their RB coach and Rae Carruth for the WRs.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
He'll probably be off playing flag football when West A&M are playing their first game.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
"Those who can’t do, teach; those who can’t teach, teach gym."
- Woody Allen
- Woody Allen
Capella
Footballguy
Well, I hate to be the voice of reason here, but the guy deserves a shot to move on with his life. He made some critical mistakes, he paid for them, time to move on. That baby act of his was a long time ago.
He certainly knows what it takes to be an excellent college QB, and if he's good at this I imagine he'll get a chance to move up fairly quickly.
He certainly knows what it takes to be an excellent college QB, and if he's good at this I imagine he'll get a chance to move up fairly quickly.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
West Texas A&M isn't exactly big time college football, but there have been great coaches who started out in nowheresville.
I still rag on a leaguemate who drafted him #5, leaving me Manning at #7.(Dynasty) I still have him.
I still rag on a leaguemate who drafted him #5, leaving me Manning at #7.(Dynasty) I still have him.
DoctorDetroit
Chocolate Thunder
Nate Newton as O-Line coach, Rolf Benershka handling the kickers, Marv Albert doing the play by play and Art Shleister handling commentary.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Wow. Can you imagine what it must be like to be the butt of like...every...NFL draft joke.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Once again, the Texas A&M Aggies and West Texas A&M are two different schools. Not being an Aggie fan means absolutely nothing. West Texas A&M are the Buffalo not Aggies. If he were hired at Texas A&M that would be a big story, west Texas A&M means very little. HTH.So glad I'm not an Aggie fan...
Wolfpacker
Footballguy
They probably are for Kansas.West Texas A&M and Texas A&M are two different schools. West Texas A&M was never anything to worry about.
ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!
Good to see A&M is no longer a team worth worrying about.
Wolfpacker
Footballguy
immediately followed by:1. "As our janitor, you get to clean it before we give it to the winning team."Just imagine 20 years from now:
"Coach Ryan Leaf, here's the Lombardi Trophy, Congratulations"
-QG
2. "The engraving company you work for wants you to enscribe.........."
3. "Leaf!...Leaf!....Wake up! Your quarterback just threw his fourth interception!"
The other side of this coin is the idea the Leaf knows exactly what it takes to be successful and how to piss it all away because of lack of character weaknesses. Essentially, he has been there and done that. There and that defined as being good enough to get the opportunity but ignorant enough to blow it. He has a story and, if he has matured and is able to translate his experiences into a learning device for younger players, he would be well suited to coach. Adversity is an opportunity to learn and grow. While Leaf has nobody but himself to blame, he put himself through enough hell that, perhaps, he learned something and can now share the wealth. He has a chance to steer players down the right road. Sort of a second chance in a round about kind of way. Now, that school is not grooming blue chip prospects, but you have to start somewhere. It is far enough off the D1 path that Leaf might be able to get a fresh start, if that is possible for one of the biggest draft busts in football history. It would be very easy to pile on, as Leaf was once an extremely arrogant and self indulged SOB. Conversely, for someone that failed that badly to come back and attempt to work in the industry, knowing the absolute constant kick in the ### it is going to be for the first couple of years, it must be noted that takes a certain amount of maturity and courage. I do not feel sorry for the guy but I have to give credit where credit is due.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Tough crowd.
No one believes in the possibility of redemption?
No one believes in the possibility of redemption?
BoulderBob
Footballguy
Excellent post.
Sorry but I'm not buying it. What qualifications does he have to be a coach? To have young minds listening to him, relying on him, learning how to be good football players and people from him. Would you want Leaf coaching your son???Your point about Leaf coming back to coaching and him attempting to work in the industry doesn't resonate with me. The guy is looking for work. That's not noble, that's what everyone does.
I agree with your quote about giving credit where credit is due, and there's not due here.
First, let me state I am speaking as someone with a grandfather that played D1/NFL and had a brief coaching career; have a father that is a life-long coach with D1 playing resume and several brother-n-laws that all played and currently coach at the D1 or high school level. Me...I just played and worked as an agent for some time, while sticking to coaching pee wees, but I feel I know a little bit about the industry and profession. Most coaches do not start out in a HC position. Normally, you get a grad assistant gig at your alma mater (Applewhite) or take the high school job. Then, you work your way up. For example, Holmgren started as a high school coordinator. Leaf's got a damn solid playing resume, which many coaches do not have. Go check out your NFL and college rosters. Plenty...PLENTY...of guys coaching played at Middle of the Road Tech; D3 program and never sniffed an NFL Combine invite much less got drafted. Leaf has the general aptitude to take on that specific coaching position he has been offered at that particular program. It is a general starting point and not much higher than a grad assistant. He is qualified. Great players do not make great coaches. There are exceptions. Ditka comes to mind. Jury is out on Singletary. Great players had the God given talent and drive to succeed. The level of adversity they faced as a player, as compared to someone constantly struggling to make a roster, is completely different. Their common reference point with the average player is almost not even there. So overdone but those who can do and those who cannot teach. Little bit of truth to that. My experience has shown good, average or bad players make great coaches. Cowher, Marty Ball, Dungy, Edwards, etc... Again, there are exceptions. Guys that had to constantly fight for playing time; lacked an abundance of natural ability or had serious maturity issues in college and or the pros that finally grow up; get a little wiser; a few more grey hairs tend to have a better technique and ability to relay concepts to kids. More importantly, they know from first hand experience the brutal realities of making it and not making and how fine a line that can be and what it takes to succeed and or fail. Like I said earlier, it is possible to learn from your mistakes and struggles. A coach that had that type of playing career, opinion, has more empathy for players and can easier relate to their struggles. If...BIG IF...Leaf has grown up and turned the corner he has a hell of a lot he could offer to a kid...a hell of a lot. He pissed away a career opportunity about 1% of all guys that ever put on pads get. Not too many people walking around that have walked a mile in those shoes or better yet walking around willing to talk about it He was good enough to get that chance. Thus, he knows how to get there. He was also bad enough to blow it. Thus, he knows what not to do. That is some priceless experience worth sharing and a story that needs to be told. Knowing the industry like I do, it takes giant brass balls for Leaf to make this step. You can disagree all you want but that is fact. He is one of the biggest failures in the history of the sport yet is seeking employment and redemption in the same public medium he flammed out of not so long ago. Either he is a a masochist or he has learned some humility and done a whole lot of soul searching. Look at this thread and what has been said about him in such a short period of time. Trust it is going to be that much worse when Leaf hits an opposing team's field. Fans are going to crush that guy, as are most people in his peer group (to include his own coaching staff), until he proves himself. It will be a daily kick in the ### until he shows he has changed. I don't know too many people that fail that badly at their chosen profession yet attempt to keep finding work in that field. Most change careers, as they see the writing on the wall and discover no one in their field will hire them all things considered. Would I let Leaf coach my son? If Leaf has made the transformation from kid to man that often happens between the ages of 21-30; has learned from his trespasses and could relay to me the experiences of his downfall and what/how he learned from that, while detailing how that willl be tailored into his daily moments of truths with his players, and I believed him...I woud let him coach my son. I would not let Leaf teach my son public speaking or the finer points of handling a presser...little joke... but I would let him develop him as a player.
The problem is that I have a hard time believeing that Leaf has made the transformation from kid to man that often happens between the ages of 21-30. Know one will truly know until he's given a chance. West Texas A&M believes in him. It would take a lot to convince me.
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The Man With No Name
Footballguy
What qualifications? What qualifications did any coach have before they became a coach? He was a 1st round draft pick in the NFL.
Perhaps I mispoke, it's not qualifications because anyone with the right pedigree can get a job, it's more his track record is in his last job that makes me question the hire. He practically stole money from his last team and acted with the intelligence and wisdom of a 12 year old. Perhaps he's matured, but perhaps not. We will see. Okay, we have all spent way too much of our lives discussing Ryan Leaf. I'm moving on.
popeye.
Spinach Freak
I was listening to the interview yesterday afternoon. I came away very impressed with Leaf. He seems to have long since put his immature past behind him, I think he's hoping others will follow suite.Leaf answered everthing that Patrick requested, never dodging questions about his prior actions or attitude.Wow.I'm willing to give Ryan a chance after reading the quotes from that interview.
It sounds like he has matured a ton.
Boot.
A good interview.
