Ryan Mathews....no respect?....get on this hype train (1 Viewer)

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

By the way he runs a 4.79 not 4.4 like you're misleading everyone to believe: http://fresnostate.rivals.com/cpevent.asp?Key=14424

Well here they have him at 4.46: http://walterfootball.com/draft2011RB.php

I saw another site somewhere had him at 4.6.

I'd guess a 4.5 plus but we'll find out in about 3 weeks when the combine rolls around.

Still comparing him to Mendy?

I can look on a football field and have a pretty good judge of a 40 yard dash. If you watched Ray Rice at Rutgers...no way did I think he ran a 4.42 at the combine...but it happened.Mathews ran a 4.5 out of H.S.....and training in college probably made him faster. http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recr...n-Mathews-49577

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I'm going to start a new thread. "Benson will lead the way...no respect?....get on this hype train" <_<

 

[Matt Waldman]

I'm a Mathews fan. I hear from people that he lacks good vision, but I haven't seen evidence of it. If anything, I've seen a lot more to the contrary.

Both backs have the speed to be productive NFL runners so I'm not at all concerned about this aspect of their games. When I first studied Spiller last year, I thought he bounced far too many runs outside when he had clear opportunities to make wiser and more productive decisions to keep the play between the tackles. This year, I have seen games where he looked far more patient. He made more mature decisions, and these plays happened to come from the I formation, which was even more encouraging. I haven't paid close attention to what you guys have been saying about him lately (this year), but I used to see comparisons ranging from Chris Johnson to Reggie Bush.

I think Chris Johnson is a better yards after contact runner, which is what makes him a special football player at the RB spot. You don't expect a 195-lb back to be as physical as he is. It's not that he's Corey Dillon in a 195-lbs body, but Johnson has good balance and will not shy away from contact when it's necessary. I still have a couple of games more to watch with Spiller, but he hasn't shown this kind of after contact skill. I think he has a chance to be more effective than Reggie Bush has been thus far, but if Johnson represents one end of the spectrum (speedy/elusive/versatile back with YAC skills) and Bush were on the opposite end (speed/elusive/versatile back without YAC skills), then I would put Spiller closer to the Bush end of the spectrum.

Mathews has YAC skills in abundance and his balance is excellent. I really am beginning to wonder why people are saying his vision isn't good. In fact, I think he might be the best pure runner in this draft because of certain aspects of his vision combined with his YAC skills and speed.

As I have mentioned on the Audible and the RSP, I think vision is a term that covers a variety of skills:

1) Anticipation: Reading what is going to happen

2) Regular vision: The skill of diagnosing what is happening directly ahead of you.

3) Peripheral vision: The skill of diagnosing what is happening on the periphery.

4) Decision making: The ability to process what you see and make the best decision to act on it.

5) Patience: Related to anticipation, but this is is the product of using all of these skills to follow a play design to perfection.

I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that Mathews has excellent anticipation. I have routinely seen him get through gaps that didn't look like there were any until he got through them. I think the blind eye can see this skill as a lack of vision and judge Mathews as a LeShon Johnson type of back (run has fast as you can into the LOS scrimmage where the hole is supposed to be and if it's there you break a big one, if it's not, you get little to nothing). However, I'm seeing a back who can get small enough to get into a crease and then explode through an opening further into the hole that he anticipates correctly. I also have seen him make excellent decisions in the hole to find a second crease. In one case I saw recently he did this as he was trying to regain his balance after running through a tackle attempt and it resulted in him making a 90 degree turn in the hole to elude two defenders to get to the sideline. This turned a 7-8 yard gain into a 20-25 yard gain and it looked eerily similar to backs I've seen with great peripheral vision combined with strong YAC skills (Payton and Gore come to mind).

Spiller is a more versatile back right now. Mathews has some real issues in pass protection. If I had an offense like the Colts, Seahawks, Packers, or Bears (Martz), I'd consider Spiller. If I had an offense like the Titans, Jags, Giants, Dolphins, or Lions (I think they want to emphasize the run more to help Stafford), I'd go with Mathews.

As an aficionado of runners, I like both a lot (Spiller has grown on me) but Mathews is the guy I like to watch the most just as a runner.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I'm a Mathews fan. I hear from people that he lacks good vision, but I haven't seen evidence of it. If anything, I've seen a lot more to the contrary.Both backs have the speed to be productive NFL runners so I'm not at all concerned about this aspect of their games. When I first studied Spiller last year, I thought he bounced far too many runs outside when he had clear opportunities to make wiser and more productive decisions to keep the play between the tackles. This year, I have seen games where he looked far more patient. He made more mature decisions, and these plays happened to come from the I formation, which was even more encouraging. I haven't paid close attention to what you guys have been saying about him lately (this year), but I used to see comparisons ranging from Chris Johnson to Reggie Bush. I think Chris Johnson is a better yards after contact runner, which is what makes him a special football player at the RB spot. You don't expect a 195-lb back to be as physical as he is. It's not that he's Corey Dillon in a 195-lbs body, but Johnson has good balance and will not shy away from contact when it's necessary. I still have a couple of games more to watch with Spiller, but he hasn't shown this kind of after contact skill. I think he has a chance to be more effective than Reggie Bush has been thus far, but if Johnson represents one end of the spectrum (speedy/elusive/versatile back with YAC skills) and Bush were on the opposite end (speed/elusive/versatile back without YAC skills), then I would put Spiller closer to the Bush end of the spectrum. Mathews has YAC skills in abundance and his balance is excellent. I really am beginning to wonder why people are saying his vision isn't good. In fact, I think he might be the best pure runner in this draft because of certain aspects of his vision combined with his YAC skills and speed. As I have mentioned on the Audible and the RSP, I think vision is a term that covers a variety of skills:1) Anticipation: Reading what is going to happen2) Regular vision: The skill of diagnosing what is happening directly ahead of you.3) Peripheral vision: The skill of diagnosing what is happening on the periphery.4) Decision making: The ability to process what you see and make the best decision to act on it.5) Patience: Related to anticipation, but this is is the product of using all of these skills to follow a play design to perfection. I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that Mathews has excellent anticipation. I have routinely seen him get through gaps that didn't look like there were any until he got through them. I think the blind eye can see this skill as a lack of vision and judge Mathews as a LeShon Johnson type of back (run has fast as you can into the LOS scrimmage where the hole is supposed to be and if it's there you break a big one, if it's not, you get little to nothing). However, I'm seeing a back who can get small enough to get into a crease and then explode through an opening further into the hole that he anticipates correctly. I also have seen him make excellent decisions in the hole to find a second crease. In one case I saw recently he did this as he was trying to regain his balance after running through a tackle attempt and it resulted in him making a 90 degree turn in the hole to elude two defenders to get to the sideline. This turned a 7-8 yard gain into a 20-25 yard gain and it looked eerily similar to backs I've seen with great peripheral vision combined with strong YAC skills (Payton and Gore come to mind). Spiller is a more versatile back right now. Mathews has some real issues in pass protection. If I had an offense like the Colts, Seahawks, Packers, or Bears (Martz), I'd consider Spiller. If I had an offense like the Titans, Jags, Giants, Dolphins, or Lions (I think they want to emphasize the run more to help Stafford), I'd go with Mathews. As an aficionado of runners, I like both a lot (Spiller has grown on me) but Mathews is the guy I like to watch the most just as a runner.

Nice breakdown Matt....appreciate the post.

 

[BigTex]

I'm a Mathews fan. I hear from people that he lacks good vision, but I haven't seen evidence of it. If anything, I've seen a lot more to the contrary.Both backs have the speed to be productive NFL runners so I'm not at all concerned about this aspect of their games. When I first studied Spiller last year, I thought he bounced far too many runs outside when he had clear opportunities to make wiser and more productive decisions to keep the play between the tackles. This year, I have seen games where he looked far more patient. He made more mature decisions, and these plays happened to come from the I formation, which was even more encouraging. I haven't paid close attention to what you guys have been saying about him lately (this year), but I used to see comparisons ranging from Chris Johnson to Reggie Bush. I think Chris Johnson is a better yards after contact runner, which is what makes him a special football player at the RB spot. You don't expect a 195-lb back to be as physical as he is. It's not that he's Corey Dillon in a 195-lbs body, but Johnson has good balance and will not shy away from contact when it's necessary. I still have a couple of games more to watch with Spiller, but he hasn't shown this kind of after contact skill. I think he has a chance to be more effective than Reggie Bush has been thus far, but if Johnson represents one end of the spectrum (speedy/elusive/versatile back with YAC skills) and Bush were on the opposite end (speed/elusive/versatile back without YAC skills), then I would put Spiller closer to the Bush end of the spectrum. Mathews has YAC skills in abundance and his balance is excellent. I really am beginning to wonder why people are saying his vision isn't good. In fact, I think he might be the best pure runner in this draft because of certain aspects of his vision combined with his YAC skills and speed. As I have mentioned on the Audible and the RSP, I think vision is a term that covers a variety of skills:1) Anticipation: Reading what is going to happen2) Regular vision: The skill of diagnosing what is happening directly ahead of you.3) Peripheral vision: The skill of diagnosing what is happening on the periphery.4) Decision making: The ability to process what you see and make the best decision to act on it.5) Patience: Related to anticipation, but this is is the product of using all of these skills to follow a play design to perfection. I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that Mathews has excellent anticipation. I have routinely seen him get through gaps that didn't look like there were any until he got through them. I think the blind eye can see this skill as a lack of vision and judge Mathews as a LeShon Johnson type of back (run has fast as you can into the LOS scrimmage where the hole is supposed to be and if it's there you break a big one, if it's not, you get little to nothing). However, I'm seeing a back who can get small enough to get into a crease and then explode through an opening further into the hole that he anticipates correctly. I also have seen him make excellent decisions in the hole to find a second crease. In one case I saw recently he did this as he was trying to regain his balance after running through a tackle attempt and it resulted in him making a 90 degree turn in the hole to elude two defenders to get to the sideline. This turned a 7-8 yard gain into a 20-25 yard gain and it looked eerily similar to backs I've seen with great peripheral vision combined with strong YAC skills (Payton and Gore come to mind). Spiller is a more versatile back right now. Mathews has some real issues in pass protection. If I had an offense like the Colts, Seahawks, Packers, or Bears (Martz), I'd consider Spiller. If I had an offense like the Titans, Jags, Giants, Dolphins, or Lions (I think they want to emphasize the run more to help Stafford), I'd go with Mathews. As an aficionado of runners, I like both a lot (Spiller has grown on me) but Mathews is the guy I like to watch the most just as a runner.

Nice breakdown Matt....appreciate the post.

x2ETA: Another thing I like to see Matthews improve on is being a little more patient out of the backfield. Sometimes he outrun his blockers before he should.

 

[domvin]

The biggest problem I have with Mathews is that he's gotten injured every year.

I knew he was injured this year was there another time?

Sophomore year hurt a knee ligament....nothing major.

an injury against UCLA ... played sparingly in the next three games that followed and missed five full games, including the last four of the regular season

Junior year missed one game with a concussion.

He had a problem punching it in from the 1 yard line during the bowl game. I believe he had 3 chances and couldn't get it done.

And on all 3 of his tries, he was hit in the backfield. Twice, he was hit from backside pressure, since they refused to run double tight formation, and split a wr out wide. Twice, it happened on the three, and on 4th down, he was hit in the legs at the two before he could jump. I just got thru my DVR of that game last night.....All the ACC vs WAC can be thrown out the window.....LT came out of TCU. CJ3 came out of East carolina. faulk came out of SDSU.....all that matters is if you have talent.Which is ironic, since he escaped out of initial contact behind LOS multiple times in the Wyoming game

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I'm a Mathews fan. I hear from people that he lacks good vision, but I haven't seen evidence of it. If anything, I've seen a lot more to the contrary.Both backs have the speed to be productive NFL runners so I'm not at all concerned about this aspect of their games. When I first studied Spiller last year, I thought he bounced far too many runs outside when he had clear opportunities to make wiser and more productive decisions to keep the play between the tackles. This year, I have seen games where he looked far more patient. He made more mature decisions, and these plays happened to come from the I formation, which was even more encouraging. I haven't paid close attention to what you guys have been saying about him lately (this year), but I used to see comparisons ranging from Chris Johnson to Reggie Bush. I think Chris Johnson is a better yards after contact runner, which is what makes him a special football player at the RB spot. You don't expect a 195-lb back to be as physical as he is. It's not that he's Corey Dillon in a 195-lbs body, but Johnson has good balance and will not shy away from contact when it's necessary. I still have a couple of games more to watch with Spiller, but he hasn't shown this kind of after contact skill. I think he has a chance to be more effective than Reggie Bush has been thus far, but if Johnson represents one end of the spectrum (speedy/elusive/versatile back with YAC skills) and Bush were on the opposite end (speed/elusive/versatile back without YAC skills), then I would put Spiller closer to the Bush end of the spectrum. Mathews has YAC skills in abundance and his balance is excellent. I really am beginning to wonder why people are saying his vision isn't good. In fact, I think he might be the best pure runner in this draft because of certain aspects of his vision combined with his YAC skills and speed. As I have mentioned on the Audible and the RSP, I think vision is a term that covers a variety of skills:1) Anticipation: Reading what is going to happen2) Regular vision: The skill of diagnosing what is happening directly ahead of you.3) Peripheral vision: The skill of diagnosing what is happening on the periphery.4) Decision making: The ability to process what you see and make the best decision to act on it.5) Patience: Related to anticipation, but this is is the product of using all of these skills to follow a play design to perfection. I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that Mathews has excellent anticipation. I have routinely seen him get through gaps that didn't look like there were any until he got through them. I think the blind eye can see this skill as a lack of vision and judge Mathews as a LeShon Johnson type of back (run has fast as you can into the LOS scrimmage where the hole is supposed to be and if it's there you break a big one, if it's not, you get little to nothing). However, I'm seeing a back who can get small enough to get into a crease and then explode through an opening further into the hole that he anticipates correctly. I also have seen him make excellent decisions in the hole to find a second crease. In one case I saw recently he did this as he was trying to regain his balance after running through a tackle attempt and it resulted in him making a 90 degree turn in the hole to elude two defenders to get to the sideline. This turned a 7-8 yard gain into a 20-25 yard gain and it looked eerily similar to backs I've seen with great peripheral vision combined with strong YAC skills (Payton and Gore come to mind). Spiller is a more versatile back right now. Mathews has some real issues in pass protection. If I had an offense like the Colts, Seahawks, Packers, or Bears (Martz), I'd consider Spiller. If I had an offense like the Titans, Jags, Giants, Dolphins, or Lions (I think they want to emphasize the run more to help Stafford), I'd go with Mathews. As an aficionado of runners, I like both a lot (Spiller has grown on me) but Mathews is the guy I like to watch the most just as a runner.

Posts like this are why I visit the Shark Pool. Very well done.

 

[BigTex]

And on all 3 of his tries, he was hit in the backfield. Twice, he was hit from backside pressure, since they refused to run double tight formation, and split a wr out wide. Twice, it happened on the three, and on 4th down, he was hit in the legs at the two before he could jump. I just got thru my DVR of that game last night.....

All the ACC vs WAC can be thrown out the window.....LT came out of TCU. CJ3 came out of East carolina. faulk came out of SDSU.....all that matters is if you have talent.

Which is ironic, since he escaped out of initial contact behind LOS multiple times in the Wyoming game

Throwing the level of competition completely "out the window' is insane (I drafted LT, Randy Moss and CJ3 in our Dynasty rookie drafts) all have proven they have special talent. If you had read the thread thoroughly you'd discover that the analogy was used to compare two athletes. I've also have been high on Joique Bell (Wayne State) when others were dissing him. Now that some have seen him play and practice at the Senior Bowl people are taking a closer look at him. Even though he's playing in a lower level division looking at him play the kid has something in him which demands a closer look against tougher competition. Seeing him in the Senior Bowl, the Combine and Pro Day will answer some of those questions because he played in a lower level of competition. Players like Spiller, Best, etc...played in divisions that produce great NFL athletes don't necessarily have to prove themselves like some of the players do.

What you are saying has absolutely nothing to do what so ever with what Benson and I have been discussing. I'm on record even in this thread (as well as others) saying that I thought the Matthews was a good running back, just not better than Spiller IMHO.

 

[domvin]

And on all 3 of his tries, he was hit in the backfield. Twice, he was hit from backside pressure, since they refused to run double tight formation, and split a wr out wide. Twice, it happened on the three, and on 4th down, he was hit in the legs at the two before he could jump. I just got thru my DVR of that game last night.....

All the ACC vs WAC can be thrown out the window.....LT came out of TCU. CJ3 came out of East carolina. faulk came out of SDSU.....all that matters is if you have talent.

Which is ironic, since he escaped out of initial contact behind LOS multiple times in the Wyoming game

Throwing the level of competition completely "out the window' is insane (I drafted LT, Randy Moss and CJ3 in our Dynasty rookie drafts) all have proven they have special talent. If you had read the thread thoroughly you'd discover that the analogy was used to compare two athletes. I've also have been high on Joique Bell (Wayne State) when others were dissing him. Now that some have seen him play and practice at the Senior Bowl people are taking a closer look at him. Even though he's playing in a lower level division looking at him play the kid has something in him which demands a closer look against tougher competition. Seeing him in the Senior Bowl, the Combine and Pro Day will answer some of those questions because he played in a lower level of competition. Players like Spiller, Best, etc...played in divisions that produce great NFL athletes don't necessarily have to prove themselves like some of the players do.

What you are saying has absolutely nothing to do what so ever with what Benson and I have been discussing. I'm on record even in this thread (as well as others) saying that I thought the Matthews was a good running back, just not better than Spiller IMHO.

I am not going at you, or supporting you bro, I was just stating facts.I finished the Mathews game and need to get through 2 Spiller games-honestly, I don't have a lean either way right now

....you mentioned above that Mathews couldn't get the job done with 3 tries inside the 5, and I wanted to point out that the blocking was pretty piss- poor on his attempts.

I merely pointed out that all you need is talent, yet you have given me, and us, your resume on whom and how you drafted, which I failed to ask for......

I know you're a smart FF guy. The sky was falling for a lot of Mccoy/westy owners when we heard this:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry11384212

 

[RudiStein]

BREAKING NEWS VIA FACEBOOK! RM has 3.5% body fat.

 

[BigTex]

And on all 3 of his tries, he was hit in the backfield. Twice, he was hit from backside pressure, since they refused to run double tight formation, and split a wr out wide. Twice, it happened on the three, and on 4th down, he was hit in the legs at the two before he could jump. I just got thru my DVR of that game last night.....

All the ACC vs WAC can be thrown out the window.....LT came out of TCU. CJ3 came out of East carolina. faulk came out of SDSU.....all that matters is if you have talent.

Which is ironic, since he escaped out of initial contact behind LOS multiple times in the Wyoming game

Throwing the level of competition completely "out the window' is insane (I drafted LT, Randy Moss and CJ3 in our Dynasty rookie drafts) all have proven they have special talent. If you had read the thread thoroughly you'd discover that the analogy was used to compare two athletes. I've also have been high on Joique Bell (Wayne State) when others were dissing him. Now that some have seen him play and practice at the Senior Bowl people are taking a closer look at him. Even though he's playing in a lower level division looking at him play the kid has something in him which demands a closer look against tougher competition. Seeing him in the Senior Bowl, the Combine and Pro Day will answer some of those questions because he played in a lower level of competition. Players like Spiller, Best, etc...played in divisions that produce great NFL athletes don't necessarily have to prove themselves like some of the players do.

What you are saying has absolutely nothing to do what so ever with what Benson and I have been discussing. I'm on record even in this thread (as well as others) saying that I thought the Matthews was a good running back, just not better than Spiller IMHO.

I am not going at you, or supporting you bro, I was just stating facts.I finished the Mathews game and need to get through 2 Spiller games-honestly, I don't have a lean either way right now

....you mentioned above that Mathews couldn't get the job done with 3 tries inside the 5, and I wanted to point out that the blocking was pretty piss- poor on his attempts.

I merely pointed out that all you need is talent, yet you have given me, and us, your resume on whom and how you drafted, which I failed to ask for......

I know you're a smart FF guy. The sky was falling for a lot of Mccoy/westy owners when we heard this:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry11384212

Not really sure what that has to do with anything. I'm a Westy owner passed on McCoy twice to grab Well and Brown. IHMO McCoy has 0 power and will suffer as an NFL running back. Again, not sure what that has to do with this post. LOL!P.S. The sky is falling and think it has something to do with global warming.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

And on all 3 of his tries, he was hit in the backfield. Twice, he was hit from backside pressure, since they refused to run double tight formation, and split a wr out wide. Twice, it happened on the three, and on 4th down, he was hit in the legs at the two before he could jump. I just got thru my DVR of that game last night.....

All the ACC vs WAC can be thrown out the window.....LT came out of TCU. CJ3 came out of East carolina. faulk came out of SDSU.....all that matters is if you have talent.

Which is ironic, since he escaped out of initial contact behind LOS multiple times in the Wyoming game

Throwing the level of competition completely "out the window' is insane (I drafted LT, Randy Moss and CJ3 in our Dynasty rookie drafts) all have proven they have special talent. If you had read the thread thoroughly you'd discover that the analogy was used to compare two athletes. I've also have been high on Joique Bell (Wayne State) when others were dissing him. Now that some have seen him play and practice at the Senior Bowl people are taking a closer look at him. Even though he's playing in a lower level division looking at him play the kid has something in him which demands a closer look against tougher competition. Seeing him in the Senior Bowl, the Combine and Pro Day will answer some of those questions because he played in a lower level of competition. Players like Spiller, Best, etc...played in divisions that produce great NFL athletes don't necessarily have to prove themselves like some of the players do.

What you are saying has absolutely nothing to do what so ever with what Benson and I have been discussing. I'm on record even in this thread (as well as others) saying that I thought the Matthews was a good running back, just not better than Spiller IMHO.

I am not going at you, or supporting you bro, I was just stating facts.I finished the Mathews game and need to get through 2 Spiller games-honestly, I don't have a lean either way right now

....you mentioned above that Mathews couldn't get the job done with 3 tries inside the 5, and I wanted to point out that the blocking was pretty piss- poor on his attempts.

I merely pointed out that all you need is talent, yet you have given me, and us, your resume on whom and how you drafted, which I failed to ask for......

I know you're a smart FF guy. The sky was falling for a lot of Mccoy/westy owners when we heard this:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry11384212

Not really sure what that has to do with anything. I'm a Westy owner passed on McCoy twice to grab Well and Brown. IHMO McCoy has 0 power and will suffer as an NFL running back. Again, not sure what that has to do with this post. LOL!P.S. The sky is falling and think it has something to do with global warming.

McCoy runs harder than Spiller, Tex.

 

[domvin]

And on all 3 of his tries, he was hit in the backfield. Twice, he was hit from backside pressure, since they refused to run double tight formation, and split a wr out wide. Twice, it happened on the three, and on 4th down, he was hit in the legs at the two before he could jump. I just got thru my DVR of that game last night.....

All the ACC vs WAC can be thrown out the window.....LT came out of TCU. CJ3 came out of East carolina. faulk came out of SDSU.....all that matters is if you have talent.

Which is ironic, since he escaped out of initial contact behind LOS multiple times in the Wyoming game

Throwing the level of competition completely "out the window' is insane (I drafted LT, Randy Moss and CJ3 in our Dynasty rookie drafts) all have proven they have special talent. If you had read the thread thoroughly you'd discover that the analogy was used to compare two athletes. I've also have been high on Joique Bell (Wayne State) when others were dissing him. Now that some have seen him play and practice at the Senior Bowl people are taking a closer look at him. Even though he's playing in a lower level division looking at him play the kid has something in him which demands a closer look against tougher competition. Seeing him in the Senior Bowl, the Combine and Pro Day will answer some of those questions because he played in a lower level of competition. Players like Spiller, Best, etc...played in divisions that produce great NFL athletes don't necessarily have to prove themselves like some of the players do.

What you are saying has absolutely nothing to do what so ever with what Benson and I have been discussing. I'm on record even in this thread (as well as others) saying that I thought the Matthews was a good running back, just not better than Spiller IMHO.

I am not going at you, or supporting you bro, I was just stating facts.I finished the Mathews game and need to get through 2 Spiller games-honestly, I don't have a lean either way right now

....you mentioned above that Mathews couldn't get the job done with 3 tries inside the 5, and I wanted to point out that the blocking was pretty piss- poor on his attempts.

I merely pointed out that all you need is talent, yet you have given me, and us, your resume on whom and how you drafted, which I failed to ask for......

I know you're a smart FF guy. The sky was falling for a lot of Mccoy/westy owners when we heard this:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry11384212

Not really sure what that has to do with anything. I'm a Westy owner passed on McCoy twice to grab Well and Brown. IHMO McCoy has 0 power and will suffer as an NFL running back. Again, not sure what that has to do with this post. LOL!P.S. The sky is falling and think it has something to do with global warming.

Nice try. Even the donkeys are big from Texas

 

[BigTex]

And on all 3 of his tries, he was hit in the backfield. Twice, he was hit from backside pressure, since they refused to run double tight formation, and split a wr out wide. Twice, it happened on the three, and on 4th down, he was hit in the legs at the two before he could jump. I just got thru my DVR of that game last night.....

All the ACC vs WAC can be thrown out the window.....LT came out of TCU. CJ3 came out of East carolina. faulk came out of SDSU.....all that matters is if you have talent.

Which is ironic, since he escaped out of initial contact behind LOS multiple times in the Wyoming game

Throwing the level of competition completely "out the window' is insane (I drafted LT, Randy Moss and CJ3 in our Dynasty rookie drafts) all have proven they have special talent. If you had read the thread thoroughly you'd discover that the analogy was used to compare two athletes. I've also have been high on Joique Bell (Wayne State) when others were dissing him. Now that some have seen him play and practice at the Senior Bowl people are taking a closer look at him. Even though he's playing in a lower level division looking at him play the kid has something in him which demands a closer look against tougher competition. Seeing him in the Senior Bowl, the Combine and Pro Day will answer some of those questions because he played in a lower level of competition. Players like Spiller, Best, etc...played in divisions that produce great NFL athletes don't necessarily have to prove themselves like some of the players do.

What you are saying has absolutely nothing to do what so ever with what Benson and I have been discussing. I'm on record even in this thread (as well as others) saying that I thought the Matthews was a good running back, just not better than Spiller IMHO.

I am not going at you, or supporting you bro, I was just stating facts.I finished the Mathews game and need to get through 2 Spiller games-honestly, I don't have a lean either way right now

....you mentioned above that Mathews couldn't get the job done with 3 tries inside the 5, and I wanted to point out that the blocking was pretty piss- poor on his attempts.

I merely pointed out that all you need is talent, yet you have given me, and us, your resume on whom and how you drafted, which I failed to ask for......

I know you're a smart FF guy. The sky was falling for a lot of Mccoy/westy owners when we heard this:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry11384212

Not really sure what that has to do with anything. I'm a Westy owner passed on McCoy twice to grab Well and Brown. IHMO McCoy has 0 power and will suffer as an NFL running back. Again, not sure what that has to do with this post. LOL!P.S. The sky is falling and think it has something to do with global warming.

McCoy runs harder than Spiller, Tex.

Man you need to wakeup and apologize.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I need to wake up and appologize...thats funny. LeSean McCoy doesn't have power....but at least attempts to finish off runs. Thats the "harder" and something needed to be successful.

Here is what I don't see from Spiller:

-a player that doesn't finish off runs....lower the shoulder, get what you can, etc....I see a guy that just goes out of bounds if he can't turn the corner.

-a player that needs large holes or a major cutback lane to be successful

-a player that has lots of big plays from kickoff returns, punt returns, and catches....but not many running the football

-a player that has declined as a RB since his Freshman year at Clemson

-a player that doesn't use a stiff arm or have an aggressive attitude running the football(Chris Johnson will lower his shoulder and be aggressive)

I see absolutely no difference from Darren McFadden to CJ Spiller. They both run fast....and thats about it. Heck McFadden lowers his shoulder and uses a stiff arm at least sometimes....unlike Spiller. McFadden was in a better conference too....see how much that did for him in "the league".

I'm not trying to make a case for Spiller to fail...just that he has many disconnects from a successful NFL RB. If he can solve the issues above and add on 15 pounds....he could be successful.

 

[RudiStein]

A couple of quick bits about Mathews from the local news. First interview is mostly fluff. 2nd one is a little better.

Interview 1

Interview 2

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

A couple of quick bits about Mathews from the local news. First interview is mostly fluff. 2nd one is a little better.

Interview 1

Interview 2

Good stuff, it was also nice to see Stafon Johnson working out....all you can do is cheer for that guy.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I earlier compared him to Mendenhall, however I forgot which guy on the NFL Network compared Ryan Mathews to Frank Gore.

Either way...its interesting.

 

[finito]

I love Matthews, but I like that he's considered the 4th best rookie RB by many. Means I can get him a little later.

 

[Matt Waldman]

I earlier compared him to Mendenhall, however I forgot which guy on the NFL Network compared Ryan Mathews to Frank Gore.Either way...its interesting.

I like the Gore reference. He's a more fluid then Mendenhall, but not as much as Gore. I was just watching him again this morning - Rutgers game in 2008: 26 carries, 169 yards, two scores (3?), 1 reception for 20 yards. I still have the fourth quarter, but on the 13 carries for 63 yards , reception for 20, and TD I have seen I think I am beginning to understand why some say his vision makes him an all or nothing back. I should note that my attempts empathize with this point of view are the result of a actively straining to see their criticism. Here's what I found: There are three carries in this game that are similar to a few I have seen in other games where Matthews would have had an opportunity at a bigger gain if he took shorter steps to the hole. It's not that he doesn't see openings, improvise, or anticipate what his blocker is going to do and act on it. He's actually very good at these things. The problem in some minor instances is that he'll take normal strides directly upon receipt of the hand off and hit the hole too quickly to act on what could develop. It doesn't happen frequently, but when it does he winds up with gains of two to three yards when he could have had double that, or more. Things open and close quickly at the line of scrimmage and I'm beginning to see that it makes more sense to measure the time it takes from the point of the QB/RB exchange to the hole in steps rather than seconds or half seconds. If you can take two or three shorter steps heading to the hole, you buy an extra step of time and that extra step could mean a defender falling down, a blocker clearing an opening, or a defender spilling outside of a block. That extra step can be made to change direction and burst towards or away something good for bad. This emphasis on step size can be coached better than what you see or don't see. What I really like about Mathews is that he's naturally a downhill runner. He likes to make that one cut and get down field in a hurry. I don't know if he's my top guy for this class, but he's in the conversation.

 

[BigTex]

And on all 3 of his tries, he was hit in the backfield. Twice, he was hit from backside pressure, since they refused to run double tight formation, and split a wr out wide. Twice, it happened on the three, and on 4th down, he was hit in the legs at the two before he could jump. I just got thru my DVR of that game last night.....

All the ACC vs WAC can be thrown out the window.....LT came out of TCU. CJ3 came out of East carolina. faulk came out of SDSU.....all that matters is if you have talent.

Which is ironic, since he escaped out of initial contact behind LOS multiple times in the Wyoming game

Throwing the level of competition completely "out the window' is insane (I drafted LT, Randy Moss and CJ3 in our Dynasty rookie drafts) all have proven they have special talent. If you had read the thread thoroughly you'd discover that the analogy was used to compare two athletes. I've also have been high on Joique Bell (Wayne State) when others were dissing him. Now that some have seen him play and practice at the Senior Bowl people are taking a closer look at him. Even though he's playing in a lower level division looking at him play the kid has something in him which demands a closer look against tougher competition. Seeing him in the Senior Bowl, the Combine and Pro Day will answer some of those questions because he played in a lower level of competition. Players like Spiller, Best, etc...played in divisions that produce great NFL athletes don't necessarily have to prove themselves like some of the players do.

What you are saying has absolutely nothing to do what so ever with what Benson and I have been discussing. I'm on record even in this thread (as well as others) saying that I thought the Matthews was a good running back, just not better than Spiller IMHO.

I am not going at you, or supporting you bro, I was just stating facts.I finished the Mathews game and need to get through 2 Spiller games-honestly, I don't have a lean either way right now

....you mentioned above that Mathews couldn't get the job done with 3 tries inside the 5, and I wanted to point out that the blocking was pretty piss- poor on his attempts.

I merely pointed out that all you need is talent, yet you have given me, and us, your resume on whom and how you drafted, which I failed to ask for......

I know you're a smart FF guy. The sky was falling for a lot of Mccoy/westy owners when we heard this:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry11384212

Not really sure what that has to do with anything. I'm a Westy owner passed on McCoy twice to grab Well and Brown. IHMO McCoy has 0 power and will suffer as an NFL running back. Again, not sure what that has to do with this post. LOL!P.S. The sky is falling and think it has something to do with global warming.

Nice try. Even the donkeys are big from Texas

50% complete

ETA: NOT smart, just stating the obvious.

 

[Iron_Far]

If he runs in the low 4.4's as RUMORED, then the dream scenario of landing in Houston at 20 becomes very likely....

 

[BigTex]

If he runs in the low 4.4's as RUMORED, then the dream scenario of landing in Houston at 20 becomes very likely....

I believe CBS said he's running a 4.3

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

In my initial review of Ryan Mathews, he looks a little straight-linish to me, and he's not an outstanding tackle breaker. I think he has the goods to be excellent in strong running game, but I'm not sure he can create much on his own, and I don't quite see the Benson/Mendenhall/DBrown initial burst - these are the prominent straight-linish guys in my book... so I'm not sure Houston and their ZBS is the best fit for him. More to come as I review more tape.

 

[Tanner9919]

Many in here seem to debating about Jahvid Best's size, or CJ Spiller's transition to the NFL, or Dwyer not playing in a Pro style offense....nobody is talking about Ryan Mathews.

Ryan Mathews is the complete package:

5'11 220

College stats(in 31 games):

3,280 rushing yards, over a 6 yard average, 39 TDs

Mathews has a great RB build....meaning he has a good lower center of gravity.

He is quick, has speed, breaks tackles, doesn't fumble, and has good vision.

He also added 15 pounds onto his frame from his soph year to his junior year to help with injuries and the workload.

He is the #1 RB in this class and about time people start putting him on the map.

Possible negatives:

-Level of competition

-19 career receptions....although he looks good catching the football

-Injuries(minor knee injury soph year he missed some games and concussion made him miss one his junior year)

prototypical RB size, 5-11,220lbs..close in size to Emmitt, Faulk, Alexander, Cmart, Rodney Hampton, Lt2, etc.

might be a perfect fit for SD if he works on his receiving skills

 

[Matt Waldman]

In my initial review of Ryan Mathews, he looks a little straight-linish to me, and he's not an outstanding tackle breaker. I think he has the goods to be excellent in strong running game, but I'm not sure he can create much on his own, and I don't quite see the Benson/Mendenhall/DBrown initial burst - these are the prominent straight-linish guys in my book... so I'm not sure Houston and their ZBS is the best fit for him. More to come as I review more tape.

If I'll be seeing you next week, I will bring his Rutgers and Nevada games for you to check out. In the Rutgers game, he shows impressive balance and in both contests he makes a cut that might remind you a little of McCoy in terms of change of direction. I'll be interested to see what you think.

 

[RudiStein]

Fresno Bee article

Modesty aside, 'Dogs' Mathews more than in the running

Posted at 11:06 PM on Tuesday, Feb. 23, 2010

By Matt James / The Fresno Bee Buzz up!

See if you can decide what athlete said the following, and try not to spit-launch your breakfast when you figure it out.

"I'm 215 pounds. I'm 3.1% body fat. I look the part. When they see me, I think there will be oohs and aahs."

Hmmm. Need more?

"I think I'll do good at everything. I think I'm gonna blow it out of the water."

How about this?

Ryan Mathews, who once credited his teammates for much of his success, is brimming with confidence now that he’s “a team of me.”

"I want to be the first [running] back taken. That means you're going to be taken higher, and you're going to get more money. And that's what I want."

Or this?

"I think I'm going to be a sleeper and once I get to the combine, I'm going to be on everyone's mind. You've got to think that you're the man, and know you're the man."

So you've probably figured out that those are the words of former Fresno State running back Ryan Mathews. Go ahead and splash some water on your face and regain full consciousness.

Yes, that's the same Mathews who in three years here dodged more questions about himself than he did linebackers. The same Mathews who wanted an escape hatch out of practice to avoid TV cameras, the guy who, after the New Mexico Bowl, declined his last college news conference.

This was the Mathews who in October ran for 233 against San Jose State, was leading the nation in rushing by two aircraft carriers, and wouldn't admit he was better than any running back in America, let alone all of them.

"All of us have different skills," he said then.

It was like asking Mother Theresa to comment on her own fashion sense. He wouldn't budge. So to now hear ... think you're the man and know you're the man?

Who are you and what did you do with the real Ryan Mathews?

Today, Mathews flies from Burbank to Indianapolis for the start of the combine. He is one of six Fresno State football players invited, joining wide receivers Seyi Ajirotutu and Chastin West, running back Lonyae Miller, defensive back A.J. Jefferson and punter Robert Malone. It's an impressive number for a mid-major school.

Mathews is the one, though. The one leaving early, the one in highlight reels, the one who could be starting in the NFL next season, not fighting for a roster spot. Everyone else realized it long ago; you just didn't know Mathews did.

"I've always been confident," he said this week, "but football is a team sport and I've always tried to give my blockers and my linemen credit. But at this point, I'm going to the combine and I'm not on a team anymore. I'm a team of me. I've gotta go in there as confident as can be. If I go in there thinking, 'Is this guy better than me, he's supposed to go ahead of me, he goes to a bigger school than me,' that's not a good place to be."

Since the end of the semester, Mathews has been living at a Residence Inn by Marriott near Malibu and training with former San Jose State running back Travelle Gaines. Mathews says he's lowered his body fat from almost 6% at the end of the college season to the current, and preposterous, 3.1%. ("I think I'd be 2.8% if I tested right now," he says.)

The training facility is called Elite Athletics, and even though there are plenty of NFL draft hopefuls working out there, Mathews and USC's Stafon Johnson are the only running backs. Johnson is the feel-good story of the draft, after almost dying in a weight-lifting accident during the season.

Mathews is maybe the most written-about "sleeper" since Rip Van Winkle. Mike Mayock of NFL Network has him ranked as the No. 2 running back. SI.com had a front-page feature saying Mathews could "vault up draft boards before all is said and done." CBS Sports is doing a four-part series on him.

And the player who used to hate this stuff?

"I want to go in the first round, go to New York and all that stuff," Mathews says.

Last year, Knowshon Moreno was the first back taken at No. 12 overall and Mathews says he is "as good [as] or even better" than Moreno in all of the seven physical tests. If that's true, and if Mathews runs the 40-yard dash in the low 4.40s, as he predicts (Moreno ran 4.62), well, you just never know.

Fresno State might have another first-rounder, the first back taken, a man headed to New York and the big stage with a jersey and Roger Goodell.

You'd wish him luck, but it doesn't sound like he'll need it.

 

[Sabertooth]

 

[BigTex]

I'm certain of two things: 1. single digits body fat is NOT healthy. 2. It normally take steroids to accomplish this unhealthy state. It looks good but very, very far from being good.

 

[_lurker_]

"I want to be the first [running] back taken. That means you're going to be taken higher, and you're going to get more money. And that's what I want."

Is he going to be one of those guys that gets paid and gets lazy? Does his ambition lay beyond money?

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm certain of two things: 1. single digits body fat is NOT healthy. 2. It normally take steroids to accomplish this unhealthy state. It looks good but very, very far from being good.

What is your agenda in regards to Mathews? I mean, do you have a personal stake in this or something? Why the toolishness in regards to him. You don't know anything about his metabolism at all. To make blanket statements about people like this is quite juvenile. What is up? You just seem like this is some personal crusade here instead of analysis. You are speculating on things that you couldn't possibly know about unless you have close personal access to Mathews. He appears to be a pretty good kid.

 

[JPeso]

I'm certain of two things: 1. single digits body fat is NOT healthy. 2. It normally take steroids to accomplish this unhealthy state. It looks good but very, very far from being good.

This is one of silliest posts I've ever seen.

 

[Iron_Far]

Fresno Bee article

Modesty aside, 'Dogs' Mathews more than in the running

Posted at 11:06 PM on Tuesday, Feb. 23, 2010

By Matt James / The Fresno Bee Buzz up!

See if you can decide what athlete said the following, and try not to spit-launch your breakfast when you figure it out.

"I'm 215 pounds. I'm 3.1% body fat. I look the part. When they see me, I think there will be oohs and aahs."

Hmmm. Need more?

"I think I'll do good at everything. I think I'm gonna blow it out of the water."

How about this?

Ryan Mathews, who once credited his teammates for much of his success, is brimming with confidence now that he’s “a team of me.”

"I want to be the first [running] back taken. That means you're going to be taken higher, and you're going to get more money. And that's what I want."

Or this?

"I think I'm going to be a sleeper and once I get to the combine, I'm going to be on everyone's mind. You've got to think that you're the man, and know you're the man."

So you've probably figured out that those are the words of former Fresno State running back Ryan Mathews. Go ahead and splash some water on your face and regain full consciousness.

Yes, that's the same Mathews who in three years here dodged more questions about himself than he did linebackers. The same Mathews who wanted an escape hatch out of practice to avoid TV cameras, the guy who, after the New Mexico Bowl, declined his last college news conference.

This was the Mathews who in October ran for 233 against San Jose State, was leading the nation in rushing by two aircraft carriers, and wouldn't admit he was better than any running back in America, let alone all of them.

"All of us have different skills," he said then.

It was like asking Mother Theresa to comment on her own fashion sense. He wouldn't budge. So to now hear ... think you're the man and know you're the man?

Who are you and what did you do with the real Ryan Mathews?

Today, Mathews flies from Burbank to Indianapolis for the start of the combine. He is one of six Fresno State football players invited, joining wide receivers Seyi Ajirotutu and Chastin West, running back Lonyae Miller, defensive back A.J. Jefferson and punter Robert Malone. It's an impressive number for a mid-major school.

Mathews is the one, though. The one leaving early, the one in highlight reels, the one who could be starting in the NFL next season, not fighting for a roster spot. Everyone else realized it long ago; you just didn't know Mathews did.

"I've always been confident," he said this week, "but football is a team sport and I've always tried to give my blockers and my linemen credit. But at this point, I'm going to the combine and I'm not on a team anymore. I'm a team of me. I've gotta go in there as confident as can be. If I go in there thinking, 'Is this guy better than me, he's supposed to go ahead of me, he goes to a bigger school than me,' that's not a good place to be."

Since the end of the semester, Mathews has been living at a Residence Inn by Marriott near Malibu and training with former San Jose State running back Travelle Gaines. Mathews says he's lowered his body fat from almost 6% at the end of the college season to the current, and preposterous, 3.1%. ("I think I'd be 2.8% if I tested right now," he says.)

The training facility is called Elite Athletics, and even though there are plenty of NFL draft hopefuls working out there, Mathews and USC's Stafon Johnson are the only running backs. Johnson is the feel-good story of the draft, after almost dying in a weight-lifting accident during the season.

Mathews is maybe the most written-about "sleeper" since Rip Van Winkle. Mike Mayock of NFL Network has him ranked as the No. 2 running back. SI.com had a front-page feature saying Mathews could "vault up draft boards before all is said and done." CBS Sports is doing a four-part series on him.

And the player who used to hate this stuff?

"I want to go in the first round, go to New York and all that stuff," Mathews says.

Last year, Knowshon Moreno was the first back taken at No. 12 overall and Mathews says he is "as good [as] or even better" than Moreno in all of the seven physical tests. If that's true, and if Mathews runs the 40-yard dash in the low 4.40s, as he predicts (Moreno ran 4.62), well, you just never know.

Fresno State might have another first-rounder, the first back taken, a man headed to New York and the big stage with a jersey and Roger Goodell.

You'd wish him luck, but it doesn't sound like he'll need it.

 

[RudiStein]

"I want to be the first [running] back taken. That means you're going to be taken higher, and you're going to get more money. And that's what I want."

Is he going to be one of those guys that gets paid and gets lazy? Does his ambition lay beyond money?

Yeah. That's exactly what he was saying.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

I'm certain of two things: 1. single digits body fat is NOT healthy. 2. It normally take steroids to accomplish this unhealthy state. It looks good but very, very far from being good.

I'm certain that this is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read. Congratulations.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Wow, Big Tex

I have been debating with you this whole time and now this...

 

[Ernol]

Wow, Big TexI have been debating with you this whole time and now this...

Safe to say that debate is now officially over.

 

[BigTex]

I'm certain of two things: 1. single digits body fat is NOT healthy. 2. It normally take steroids to accomplish this unhealthy state. It looks good but very, very far from being good.

What is your agenda in regards to Mathews? I mean, do you have a personal stake in this or something? Why the toolishness in regards to him. You don't know anything about his metabolism at all. To make blanket statements about people like this is quite juvenile. What is up? You just seem like this is some personal crusade here instead of analysis. You are speculating on things that you couldn't possibly know about unless you have close personal access to Mathews. He appears to be a pretty good kid.

I never said he was a bad kid. I've actually wrote some good things about him and even defended him in other post. I know that once an individual reaches a recent body fat percentage over a period of time it because very unhealthy. I have several friend who compete (bodybuilding) when they do there "cut" cycle the get really lean but its for a short period of time and as soon as the competition is over they'll eat more food with plenty of fat.I remember a situation with Michael Jordan in his prime and how some where concerned about his body fat percentage. What I've posted is not "toolish" in the bodybuilding community no one can achieve this without some enhancement drug. Several years ago a doctor was at my gym and he asked me if I was on steroids and at the time I had 10% body fat.So say what you want to say, I know what I'm talking about, this is NOT normal, he's taking some sort of enhancement drug or maybe even steroids to achieve such low body fat and considering how much he weighs.

 

[BigTex]

Wow, Big TexI have been debating with you this whole time and now this...

"Google" is your friend if you don't believe me. I'm shocked that many of you don't know this but I guess there's a huge difference between football and competition body building.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I'm certain of two things: 1. single digits body fat is NOT healthy. 2. It normally take steroids to accomplish this unhealthy state. It looks good but very, very far from being good.

What is your agenda in regards to Mathews? I mean, do you have a personal stake in this or something? Why the toolishness in regards to him. You don't know anything about his metabolism at all. To make blanket statements about people like this is quite juvenile. What is up? You just seem like this is some personal crusade here instead of analysis. You are speculating on things that you couldn't possibly know about unless you have close personal access to Mathews. He appears to be a pretty good kid.

I never said he was a bad kid. I've actually wrote some good things about him and even defended him in other post. I know that once an individual reaches a recent body fat percentage over a period of time it because very unhealthy. I have several friend who compete (bodybuilding) when they do there "cut" cycle the get really lean but its for a short period of time and as soon as the competition is over they'll eat more food with plenty of fat.I remember a situation with Michael Jordan in his prime and how some where concerned about his body fat percentage. What I've posted is not "toolish" in the bodybuilding community no one can achieve this without some enhancement drug. Several years ago a doctor was at my gym and he asked me if I was on steroids and at the time I had 10% body fat.So say what you want to say, I know what I'm talking about, this is NOT normal, he's taking some sort of enhancement drug or maybe even steroids to achieve such low body fat and considering how much he weighs.

One of my best buddies was a runner in college and had a below 5% body fat......he wasn't on steroids or any other enhancement drug.

 

[BigTex]

I'm certain of two things: 1. single digits body fat is NOT healthy. 2. It normally take steroids to accomplish this unhealthy state. It looks good but very, very far from being good.

I'm certain that this is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read. Congratulations.

Actually you need to do a little research before you try and call someone dumb. If it's dumb then prove it wrong. I won't hold my breath.

 

[BigTex]

I'm certain of two things: 1. single digits body fat is NOT healthy. 2. It normally take steroids to accomplish this unhealthy state. It looks good but very, very far from being good.

What is your agenda in regards to Mathews? I mean, do you have a personal stake in this or something? Why the toolishness in regards to him. You don't know anything about his metabolism at all. To make blanket statements about people like this is quite juvenile. What is up? You just seem like this is some personal crusade here instead of analysis. You are speculating on things that you couldn't possibly know about unless you have close personal access to Mathews. He appears to be a pretty good kid.

I never said he was a bad kid. I've actually wrote some good things about him and even defended him in other post. I know that once an individual reaches a recent body fat percentage over a period of time it because very unhealthy. I have several friend who compete (bodybuilding) when they do there "cut" cycle the get really lean but its for a short period of time and as soon as the competition is over they'll eat more food with plenty of fat.I remember a situation with Michael Jordan in his prime and how some where concerned about his body fat percentage. What I've posted is not "toolish" in the bodybuilding community no one can achieve this without some enhancement drug. Several years ago a doctor was at my gym and he asked me if I was on steroids and at the time I had 10% body fat.So say what you want to say, I know what I'm talking about, this is NOT normal, he's taking some sort of enhancement drug or maybe even steroids to achieve such low body fat and considering how much he weighs.

One of my best buddies was a runner in college and had a below 5% body fat......he wasn't on steroids or any other enhancement drug.

Different body mass bro, we're talking about a "football player" who is 5'10 220.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I'm certain of two things: 1. single digits body fat is NOT healthy. 2. It normally take steroids to accomplish this unhealthy state. It looks good but very, very far from being good.

What is your agenda in regards to Mathews? I mean, do you have a personal stake in this or something? Why the toolishness in regards to him. You don't know anything about his metabolism at all. To make blanket statements about people like this is quite juvenile. What is up? You just seem like this is some personal crusade here instead of analysis. You are speculating on things that you couldn't possibly know about unless you have close personal access to Mathews. He appears to be a pretty good kid.

I never said he was a bad kid. I've actually wrote some good things about him and even defended him in other post. I know that once an individual reaches a recent body fat percentage over a period of time it because very unhealthy. I have several friend who compete (bodybuilding) when they do there "cut" cycle the get really lean but its for a short period of time and as soon as the competition is over they'll eat more food with plenty of fat.I remember a situation with Michael Jordan in his prime and how some where concerned about his body fat percentage. What I've posted is not "toolish" in the bodybuilding community no one can achieve this without some enhancement drug. Several years ago a doctor was at my gym and he asked me if I was on steroids and at the time I had 10% body fat.So say what you want to say, I know what I'm talking about, this is NOT normal, he's taking some sort of enhancement drug or maybe even steroids to achieve such low body fat and considering how much he weighs.

One of my best buddies was a runner in college and had a below 5% body fat......he wasn't on steroids or any other enhancement drug.

Different body mass bro, we're talking about a "football player" who is 5'10 220.

1) I'm not your bro2) I proved YOU wrong that having below a 5% body fat doesn't mean someone has enhancers.3) I have currently dropped my own body fat by 5%(i'm still going) just by limiting my carb intake. By having a strict diet, an athlete can lower their body fat by a large percentage. The strict diet + cardio + lifting weights = absolutely cut athlete.CHICAGO _ At a team meeting before Saturday's practice, coach Lovie Smith singled out eight Bears for their commitment to losing weight. Defensive end Alex Brown dropping 17 pounds and cornerback Charles Tillman getting down to 2 percent body fat represent just two of the examples of how drastically the Bears have transformed their bodies for Smith.

 

[BigTex]

benson, I not mudding up your water here but I understand there are two types of fat to stay healthy essential and storage and they both are different and require different amount of fat to function properly over a long period of time. When you begin to get in the single digits, it get more and more dangerous.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

benson, I not mudding up your water here but I understand there are two types of fat to stay healthy essential and storage and they both are different and require different amount of fat to function properly over a long period of time. When you begin to get in the single digits, it get more and more dangerous.

I understand that....I have been an athlete my whole life and a coach. But did you see my above about Charles Tillman. I am obviously a Bears fan I remember when his body fat got that low. The only consequence is that he would cramp up at games in the beginning of the year. But he still was a productive NFL athlete that wasn't on steroids.

 

[nightmare]

It looks like you guys are missing something, Mathews is in "school".

Learn how to run the 40 faster, get lean to look good(remember L White?)

and other stuff(wonderlic test, maybe better technique for the bench press)

Steroids? doubtful, this is just a short term "look numbers good" for the

combine. They do get tested so this would be stupid. To me, it looks

like he's trying to really raise his "stock" and is saying " i'm playing your game"

I remember watching a documentary about 3 NFL prospects at a combine school.

They spent countless hours on how to run the 40, cone drill, shuttle and all that

stuff.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

It looks like you guys are missing something Mathews is in "school". Learn how to run the 40 faster, get lean to look good(remember L White?) and other stuff(wonderlic test, maybe better technique for the bench press) Steroids? doubtful, this is just a short term "look numbers good" for the combine. They do get tested so this would be stupid. To me, it looks like he's trying to really raise his "stock" and is saying " i'm playing your game" I remember watching a documentary about 3 NFL prospects at a combine school. They spent countless hours on how to run the 40, cone drill, shuttle and all that stuff.

Wasn't that lammey and bloom's video last year?

 

[nightmare]

Benson-No this film is fairly old. Forgot the name, it also covered them

on draft day.

 

[BigTex]

I not mudding up your water here

yes you areyou have officially become a troll with that dumb-as-#### post.

Your avatar and name fit you very well. I would say stay classy but you wouldn't know what that mean.

 

[DevilDog919]

Wow, Big Tex

I have been debating with you this whole time and now this...

"Google" is your friend if you don't believe me. I'm shocked that many of you don't know this but I guess there's a huge difference between football and competition body building.

I googled and found this: http://www.csgnetwork.com/bodyfatcalc.html

In athletes, the percent body fat can range from 5 to 20% in males and from 10 to 20% in females.

While I agree 3% isn't healthy from what I've read, he isn't too far from a healthy 5%...and I'm sure he's just putting on a show for the combine. Once he gets drafted, I'm sure he'll focus less on measurables and more on his game.