Ryan Moats Trade Value (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

There's going to be a lot of trades involving him soon I think. Not every Slaton owner is going to be able to snag him. So, there's going to be lots of people picking up Moats and looking to move him.

If you're a Slaton owner, how much would you pay to get him?

If you're a non-Slaton owner that got Moats, what would you be looking to sell him?

This is for Dynasty leagues.

 

[finito]

2nd rounder. I wouldn't pay more than that.

 

[gianmarco]

What tier of comparable RBs? What tier of WRs?

I think we're going to see some answers ALL over the place.

 

[JMJ]

Not a dynasty, but yes keeper league (can keep 2 players drafted round 4 or later from the previous year).

Traded Moats for Brent Celek (13th round keeper) and Derrick Ward (I have Caddy).

The owner I made this trade with does NOT have Slaton.

 

[steelcityman]

unless Moats is full time, 90% of the carries guy, I really dont need him. You cant play both(RRice is my other RB).

I would trade for him like he was my RB3 or 4.

But also, the person who I think will get him in our league, I cant stand anyway, so I wont be trading for him, period.

I will trade Slaton to someone else for a RB, most likely no one near as good as Slaton was earlier this year.

again, it all comes down to who is getting the rock. No one knows right now.

 

[thriftyrocker]

This week he has handcuff value. If you like Choice, Maroney, Sproles, or someone better, you could make a sideways move.

If he gets a majority of carries this week, then the value train starts chugging and you can start to sell high.

If he only gets a couple carries this week, he still has handcuff value. Not much is lost.

 

[super sleeper]

I'll preface this by saying I am a Slaton owner who doesn't own Moats.

While I have resigned myself to the fact that Slaton is at best a RBBC guy going forward, I can't see Moats being anything more than a two-down back going forward. Slaton isn't going away and the Texans will still want a goal line back next year, as Moats is even smaller than Slaton. A couple of goal line carries against Buffalo is no way to gauge his effectiveness in the red zone.

So even though I have lots of spare parts to trade, I would give up much for Moats. I have Benson, Barber, and Lynch, and wouldn't even think of starting Moats if I had him over any of them until I see the situation going forward.

 

[gianmarco]

This week he has handcuff value. If you like Choice, Maroney, Sproles, or someone better, you could make a sideways move.If he gets a majority of carries this week, then the value train starts chugging and you can start to sell high.If he only gets a couple carries this week, he still has handcuff value. Not much is lost.

Correct. If this guy gets 20 carries this week (esp. vs. Indy), his value skyrockets. At the same time, there's the risk he goes back to being a backup. He's a tricky buy and sell for this reason.

 

[Dragon1952]

This guy Moats came in and got 15 carries in the Oakland game because Brown fumbled, and he was expected to start getting more work. Brown was back the next game getting all the goal line looks, and Moats didn't get one single touch for the next 3 games. Also, Buffalo is dead last in the NFL in run defense giving up over 170 yds per game and 12 rushing TD's. I wouldn't put that much value on Moat's performance last week. Slaton went for 249 yds and 3 TD's on just 30 carries against the Colts last year, and the Texans play them twice in the next 3 games with a bye week in between. I wouldn't grab Moats unless I was desperate. The Texans will be throwing the ball a lot for the rest of the year.

 

[jwb]

I would trade a prospect wr (like a D Thomas, S Stroughter, M Thomas, etc) for him. Or a second round pick. But no higher. And that's for the league I own Slaton in.

I can see guys blowing their entire WW $ allotment in BB leagues, though. Hey, may as well now. But that doesn't translate to player value.

 

[EBF]

It's very speculative at this point in time. I could see someone giving up a late 1st if they thought he was for real. Otherwise a 2nd round pick is probably reasonable until we see more from him. He could be the next Domanick Davis or the next Wali Lundy. I'm a little more optimistic than I would normally be since he was a beast in college and a high draft pick.

 

[jrat169]

in a ten team no ppr league no keeper league i got offered b. berrian and k. walter...

i have forte, c. johnson and moreno as runners and m. austin,h. ward,d. bowe,a. collie and r. williams as recievers....

i think ill wait and see what he does over the next few weeks, i dont think i need help at wr right now....

this team is in 4th place

 

[SSOG]

Being a Slaton owner shouldn't factor into the conversation. Handcuffing makes little sense in Dynasty league- given the choice between two players, one of whom was more talented and the other of whom handcuffed one of my starter, I'll take the more talented RB every single day of the week. That's all you should really be gambling on in Dynasty- talent. Maybe a bit on opportunity, but mostly just on talent.

 

[Buckna]

Someone offered me a 2nd rounder for Moats this evening. I own Slaton too so no way I deal him for that little reward/this much risk.

In the other league I own Slaton, I unfortunately dropped Moats last week in that league to activate someone off my taxi squad. I'm waiting to see what the #1 waiver guy wants for him, but I won't be willing to pay much.

I have no interest in Moats in any league where I don't have Slaton. If he manages to take away a lion's share of the carries, all it will do is destroy Slaton's fantasy value. Moats might have some short-term fantasy value if he manages to do this, but the odds are against him being the starter longterm. I would fully expect Houston to draft or bring in a high level FA next year if that were the case.

 

[gianmarco]

Based on some waivers with blind bidding that occurred, his value is definitely significant already.

What happens to his value if Slaton starts and fumbles in the 1st qtr again and gets benched (again)?

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Based on some waivers with blind bidding that occurred, his value is definitely significant already. What happens to his value if Slaton starts and fumbles in the 1st qtr again and gets benched (again)?

You seem like you're not going to be happy until the SP tells you Moats is the second coming and he's worth an arm and a leg from the Slaton owner in your league. I think you're overvaluing him and you're playing the 'what if' game to rationalize it.

 

[gianmarco]

Based on some waivers with blind bidding that occurred, his value is definitely significant already. What happens to his value if Slaton starts and fumbles in the 1st qtr again and gets benched (again)?

You seem like you're not going to be happy until the SP tells you Moats is the second coming and he's worth an arm and a leg from the Slaton owner in your league. I think you're overvaluing him and you're playing the 'what if' game to rationalize it.

? First of all, I'm a Slaton owner in a couple of leagues and would MUCH prefer that Moats fades into oblivion and Slaton's job is intact. So, sorry for what it "seems" like to you. In leagues where there's $100 worth of blind bidding (I'm in 3 of them), he went for $99, $100, and $100.In leagues where we're given a $1000 each year and the money carries over (4 leagues, one is 4 yrs old, one is 3 yrs old, one is 2 yrs old, and is 1 yr old), he went for: $3300 out of potential $4000, $1875 out of potential $3000, $1989 out of potential $2000, and $932 out of potential $1000.Those amounts are BY FAR the most spent on a player this year. Not only that, but you've got teams that were able to spend that much because they hadn't spent much on BB up to that point (i.e., over the last 2-3 YEARS) and decided to use pretty much all of it this week.So sorry chief, I'm not trying to rationalize anything. There are those people who think he's not worth anything because he'll be a RBBC at best and there are those that are paying substantial amounts for him (someone traded Stewart for him in the other thread on him).

 

[s&m]

Here is the flip side of this question

What is Slaton's trade value at this time?

As an owner would you rather buy Moats or sell Slaton if the cost was the same, 1st for either or 2nd for either?

 

[TheFanatic]

Based on some waivers with blind bidding that occurred, his value is definitely significant already. What happens to his value if Slaton starts and fumbles in the 1st qtr again and gets benched (again)?

You seem like you're not going to be happy until the SP tells you Moats is the second coming and he's worth an arm and a leg from the Slaton owner in your league. I think you're overvaluing him and you're playing the 'what if' game to rationalize it.

I seem to recall saying just about the exact same thing to Gian in an IM conversation earlier this morning...

 

[Steed]

Based on some waivers with blind bidding that occurred, his value is definitely significant already. What happens to his value if Slaton starts and fumbles in the 1st qtr again and gets benched (again)?

You seem like you're not going to be happy until the SP tells you Moats is the second coming and he's worth an arm and a leg from the Slaton owner in your league. I think you're overvaluing him and you're playing the 'what if' game to rationalize it.

? First of all, I'm a Slaton owner in a couple of leagues and would MUCH prefer that Moats fades into oblivion and Slaton's job is intact. So, sorry for what it "seems" like to you. In leagues where there's $100 worth of blind bidding (I'm in 3 of them), he went for $99, $100, and $100.In leagues where we're given a $1000 each year and the money carries over (4 leagues, one is 4 yrs old, one is 3 yrs old, one is 2 yrs old, and is 1 yr old), he went for: $3300 out of potential $4000, $1875 out of potential $3000, $1989 out of potential $2000, and $932 out of potential $1000.Those amounts are BY FAR the most spent on a player this year. Not only that, but you've got teams that were able to spend that much because they hadn't spent much on BB up to that point (i.e., over the last 2-3 YEARS) and decided to use pretty much all of it this week.So sorry chief, I'm not trying to rationalize anything. There are those people who think he's not worth anything because he'll be a RBBC at best and there are those that are paying substantial amounts for him (someone traded Stewart for him in the other thread on him).

I saw a team make an early week trade to acquire extra bid bucks, then blow $110 on Moats in a league where everyone was alotted $100.

 

[TheFanatic]

The question is, does anyone see Moats becoming a 20 carry back? Is Slaton going to the bench or relegated to a Reggie Bush 2009 role anytime soon? I just don't see it. Unless Moats can get those carries in games where Slaton is not benched then I just don't see this being anything but a mess if Moats has any serious carries.

First, Moats has 9 catches in his entire career. For the remainder of this season and part of next it would seem they will need an underneath guy to catch Daniel's balls. I don't see that being Moats. Best case scenario in terms of fantasy if Moats gets any serious carries is that running game is just a mess.

Second, Slaton was on a really long leash. I just don't see them cutting that leash entirely. He may miss some more playing time but I doubt he is just relegated to a pure backup getting a couple carries to spell Moats....

 

[pantagrapher]

12-team dynasty auction league.

Free agent and waiver acquisitions have an automatic $5 salary for next year ($200 cap, keep as many as you want). Here's the deal I just made with the Slaton owner:

I give:

Jason Witten ($19)

Ryan Moats ($5)

I get:

Vernon Davis ($5)

 

[renesauz]

Moats is an OK COP guy, but does NOT HAVE THE TOOLS to be an every down back. His blocking is terrible and his hands are sub-par.

AT BEST, he earns a RBBC role this year.

I'm astounded by the BB money that's been spent on him in BB leagues.

Disclaimer: I own Slaton in 2 leagues (of 9), and made a bid on Moats in 4 or 5 leagues. I got him in none because I didn't bid even remotely high enough in BB leagues, and was too low on waiver list in the other leagues.

 

[Dragon1952]

There are a lot of people that don't want to miss out on the next WW pick up of the decade. This is a complete knee-jerk reaction over one game against the worst run defense in the league by a guy who was just in there to teach someone else a lesson. Jonathon Stewart and entire WW budgets being spent for Moats? Give me a break.

 

[EBF]

I blew my whole cap to get him in two of my dynasty leagues (and tried in another). I think he fits the mold of previous waiver breakouts like Rudi Johnson and Domanick Davis. Those guys were relatively high NFL draft picks who flew under the radar until they finally got an opportunity to play. Once that happened, their value skyrocketed.

Most of the guys on waivers in dynasty leagues are trash, but every now and then you'll see someone like Colston or Rudi who clearly has the potential to stick. When one of those guys comes along, I think you have to consider making a huge bid. That's what I save my cap dollars for.

I think Moats has a chance to be one of those guys. He could easily fade into oblivion like Brad Hoover or Wali Lundy, but I think there's actually quite a bit to like about him. He plays on a high-powered offense whose previous starting RB was struggling (Slaton is only averaging 3.1 YPC this season). That's opportunity. He was a high draft pick and a superstar in college. That's talent. Put the two together and you have a potential gem. I don't think you can ask for much more from a guy you're basically getting for free (if you pick him up off waivers).

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...oats-highlights

 

[Colts Win]

Based on some waivers with blind bidding that occurred, his value is definitely significant already. What happens to his value if Slaton starts and fumbles in the 1st qtr again and gets benched (again)?

You seem like you're not going to be happy until the SP tells you Moats is the second coming and he's worth an arm and a leg from the Slaton owner in your league. I think you're overvaluing him and you're playing the 'what if' game to rationalize it.

? First of all, I'm a Slaton owner in a couple of leagues and would MUCH prefer that Moats fades into oblivion and Slaton's job is intact. So, sorry for what it "seems" like to you. In leagues where there's $100 worth of blind bidding (I'm in 3 of them), he went for $99, $100, and $100.In leagues where we're given a $1000 each year and the money carries over (4 leagues, one is 4 yrs old, one is 3 yrs old, one is 2 yrs old, and is 1 yr old), he went for: $3300 out of potential $4000, $1875 out of potential $3000, $1989 out of potential $2000, and $932 out of potential $1000.Those amounts are BY FAR the most spent on a player this year. Not only that, but you've got teams that were able to spend that much because they hadn't spent much on BB up to that point (i.e., over the last 2-3 YEARS) and decided to use pretty much all of it this week.So sorry chief, I'm not trying to rationalize anything. There are those people who think he's not worth anything because he'll be a RBBC at best and there are those that are paying substantial amounts for him (someone traded Stewart for him in the other thread on him).

I saw a team make an early week trade to acquire extra bid bucks, then blow $110 on Moats in a league where everyone was alotted $100.

Why not bid 101 and save 9?

 

[jwb]

I blew my whole cap to get him in two of my dynasty leagues (and tried in another). I think he fits the mold of previous waiver breakouts like Rudi Johnson and Domanick Davis. Those guys were relatively high NFL draft picks who flew under the radar until they finally got an opportunity to play. Once that happened, their value skyrocketed.

Most of the guys on waivers in dynasty leagues are trash, but every now and then you'll see someone like Colston or Rudi who clearly has the potential to stick. When one of those guys comes along, I think you have to consider making a huge bid. That's what I save my cap dollars for.

I think Moats has a chance to be one of those guys. He could easily fade into oblivion like Brad Hoover or Wali Lundy, but I think there's actually quite a bit to like about him. He plays on a high-powered offense whose previous starting RB was struggling (Slaton is only averaging 3.1 YPC this season). That's opportunity. He was a high draft pick and a superstar in college. That's talent. Put the two together and you have a potential gem. I don't think you can ask for much more from a guy you're basically getting for free (if you pick him up off waivers).

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...oats-highlights

Two different things, though. BB money in week 8 vs player trade value are two totally different animals. I realize he makes for a great WW pickup - I grabbed him myself in one league where I have #1 priority. If I had the $$, I'd bid heavy on him too in BB leagues. No problem there - hey, this is the perfect time to blow the WW bucks.What I don't understand are the player trades I've seen and heard of. For example, would you trade Stewart for him? Cotchery? A Gonz? A Bradshaw? These are names I've heard floated as being asked for / traded for. That's what I find a little much.

 

[dotman]

Former Slaton owner, I wouldn't give anything for Moats, I saw a lot of him and Philly and I'm not convinced he'll ever amount to anything, I think you all just missed his career best game and it'll be back to worthlessness soon. I could be wrong though

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

After the latest news that Ryan Moats has taken over as the starter, I'm finally coming around to the realization that I was undervaluing Moats by a decent margin. gianmarco is clearly a forward-thinker, so hats off to him.

 

[NeverEnough]

Now is the time to trade for Slaton

 

[ChuckLiddell]

I just traded for him. Had to give up MSW for Moats, Hines Ward, and a 3rd rounder. Almost vomited when I hit the "accept" button, as I am a huge MSW believer, but I am real strong at WR, and in desperate need of a RB3 for the stretch run just in case I lose a starter.

Not at all content with the trade. Feeling like I will have a ton of regret a year from now when MSW is a top 15 WR, Ward is 35, and Moats has faded into oblivion. Much remorse...much, much remorse.

That said, if he can somehow hold onto the job, he could be a huge difference maker for a lot of playoff runs...feelin' Ryan Grant from 2007.

 

[Gary Davenport]

Now is the time to trade for Slaton

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner. If you wanna play risk vs. reward you might just be able to get Slaton for 30 cents on the dollar, and your losses if it don't work out would be GREATLY outweighed by your gains if it does.(And yes, I'm a Slaton owner, and while I realize that pick (obviously) wasn't my best, I'm not selling for a bag of shiny beads or paying an arm and a leg for Ryan freaking Moats in the leagues where I couldn't snag him off the WW.)

 

[thehornet]

if you got moats on waivers, sell as fast as you can. most of your leaguemates dont know it yet, but he stinks.

 

[D'OHtis]

if you got moats on waivers, sell as fast as you can. most of your leaguemates dont know it yet, but he stinks.

3.1 ypc stinks.

 

[eagles2007]

every year someone who doesn't get drafted in most fantasy leagues turns out to be a very good ff RB. no one has really broken out yet - it could be charles, but he was probably drafted in about half the leagues out there. moats? probably less than 10 percent. so people will try to hit a home run by adding ryan moats. i did. i'm going to use him at a flex position. i could have played it safe, gotten 5-9 points from a LB and I'll probably wind up getting 2 from Moats, but it's a risk worth taking. i did this before he was named starter. if he sucks, i drop him before week 11 and move on.