I'm wondering the same thing. I'm in a ten team league with a large bench. It has been reported that the goal is for Denver to bring Torain back week 8, if all goes well, week 7 being Denver's Bye. I guess, depending on you league size, now may be early or "the" right time to ensure him. It's a chance, but should he establsh himself in the 2nd half, Torain may be a nice boost for the 2nd half and playoffs.I have no shot at him in a twelve man., but if I can find the room would the shark move be picking him up? What is his upside later on down the road? This is not an AC post, what are your thoughts on him? I guess the Torain train thread should be found here.
you know what, you people with your 'torain train' love, you finally convinced me. i couldn't hold off anymore and possibly deal with the sick feeling i know i'd get if i saw someone else claim him off of waivers.i got him in one league and put a request to claim him off of waivers in another. why wait.i have bye week issues for week 5 and 6, but i'm really really hoping none of my leaguemates get him in the next 2 weeks. in a perfect world, i could get him in week 7, but i don't know. i've been thinking of getting him now.
you wouldn't consider pittman? he's the one active broncos RB that i would definitely consider having on my team.Unless I felt I could trade one to another owner for something useful I wouldn't consider any Broncos back at this point.
Denver's bye is week 8I'm wondering the same thing. I'm in a ten team league with a large bench. It has been reported that the goal is for Denver to bring Torain back week 8, if all goes well, week 7 being Denver's Bye. I guess, depending on you league size, now may be early or "the" right time to ensure him. It's a chance, but should he establsh himself in the 2nd half, Torain may be a nice boost for the 2nd half and playoffs.I have no shot at him in a twelve man., but if I can find the room would the shark move be picking him up? What is his upside later on down the road? This is not an AC post, what are your thoughts on him? I guess the Torain train thread should be found here.
Hoping it breaks this way. I just picked Torain up for Derrick Ward in a 8-man keeper league.Torain can ride the bench just as well as Ward can ... and if he turns into Olandis Gary or Reuben Droughns, so much the better. The Broncos have gone an awfully long time without having one back that can assume all the roles in the offense -- it would rock if Torain were that guy. As a rookie, I'm thinking he'll still have to spelled on passing downs to ensure that the blitz pickup is consistently made.EDIT: 8-man keeper means eight players are kept every season -- there are 12 owners in the league.I'm wondering the same thing. I'm in a ten team league with a large bench. It has been reported that the goal is for Denver to bring Torain back week 8, if all goes well, week 7 being Denver's Bye. I guess, depending on you league size, now may be early or "the" right time to ensure him. It's a chance, but should he establsh himself in the 2nd half, Torain may be a nice boost for the 2nd half and playoffs.
Not even for end-of-the-bench duty in deep keeper or dynasty leagues Sure, the chances of him breaking out are probably no more than 1 in 20, but why not give Torain a roster spot if you can spare it?Unless I felt I could trade one to another owner for something useful I wouldn't consider any Broncos back at this point.
Denver's bye is actually Week 8. The plan is to bring him back in Week 9. I don't have room for him now but once the Week 6 games are done I will have some roster space. I intend to pick him up then. If someone grabs him before then so be it. I don't want to drop anyone on my roster for him right now. He would be a RB6 for me so there is no harm for me if I pick him up and he doesn't pan out. If he happens to get the majority of carries upon return, then it was a great pick up. Low risk, high reward player in my eyes although I am thinking that he ends up getting entrenched in a RBBC with the other RBs -- while the coaching staff may have been high on him in preseason he still hasn't seen any game action (preseason or regular season) so it is going to be very tough for him to come in and make an impact in his rookie season IMO.I'm wondering the same thing. I'm in a ten team league with a large bench. It has been reported that the goal is for Denver to bring Torain back week 8, if all goes well, week 7 being Denver's Bye. I guess, depending on you league size, now may be early or "the" right time to ensure him. It's a chance, but should he establsh himself in the 2nd half, Torain may be a nice boost for the 2nd half and playoffs.I have no shot at him in a twelve man., but if I can find the room would the shark move be picking him up? What is his upside later on down the road? This is not an AC post, what are your thoughts on him? I guess the Torain train thread should be found here.
I can understand a lot of people not buying into Torain, though.There's always that Ben Gay or Travis Prentice or William Green or Tatum Bell out there that's supposed to be the next breakout guy. And true, the comparisons aren't always exact, but the general idea of a guy under wraps for <insert reason> is the same.I can't beleive Torain is still on any waiver wires. Long gone in all my leagues! Even the 16 roster limit redrafts I play in someone is holding him for that Denver magic I miss so much!
Low risk, high reward (but small chance of hitting). Who do you really have to drop for him? A number 2 kicker or defense after the bye?High risk, high reward. The risk is, as was pointed out above, that he merely enters the rotation in the Denver backfield, and never is a good fantasy option. The reward is that he becomes the dream back that Shanny has been looking for.I picked him up because of the dynasty potential. But I am prepared to drop him around week 10-12 if he doesn't become the primary option for the Broncos.
Does anyone see similarities in Torain's situation this season and Julius Jones' late-season breakout in 2005?EDIT: Not late season 2005 ... late season 2004Low risk, high reward player in my eyes although I am thinking that he ends up getting entrenched in a RBBC with the other RBs -- while the coaching staff may have been high on him in preseason he still hasn't seen any game action (preseason or regular season) so it is going to be very tough for him to come in and make an impact in his rookie season IMO.
MHR - The running game has sputtered so far, with neither Andre Hall or Selvin Young able to make a big impact. Is Ryan Torain close, and how effective do you think he'll be?
LR - It hasn't been as if Hall and Young are ineffective. They've chosen the wrong year to be featured backs within this offense. By my count, Denver is running just 39 percent of the time, then splitting carries at that. Both have good per-carry averages. I thought if there ever was a time to try to get a sense of balance, it was last week against a run-challenged KC defense that had yielded 300 rushing yards to Oakland, which employs a similar zone-blocking scheme. But once again, the Broncos went pass-heavy. What I wonder is what happens in a cold weather game in November when the run is needed and the team needs to lean on it? Will it be there? That's not clear right now. As for Torain, he still has considerable rehab on his arm left. He not only has to regain strength, but his timing in practice. My guess is that he'll get a look in practices and progressively take on more of a role. But will Denver carry a fullback and four running backs on the game-day roster and who sits? To me, it will take an injury for him to log significant carries. I don't know if he'll be any kind of ‘workhorse back' though, since I'm fairly certain that doesn't exist this year in Denver.
I see very little risk, and alot of reward if he pans out.Sabertooth said:Low risk, high reward (but small chance of hitting). Who do you really have to drop for him? A number 2 kicker or defense after the bye?Ozymandias said:High risk, high reward. The risk is, as was pointed out above, that he merely enters the rotation in the Denver backfield, and never is a good fantasy option. The reward is that he becomes the dream back that Shanny has been looking for.I picked him up because of the dynasty potential. But I am prepared to drop him around week 10-12 if he doesn't become the primary option for the Broncos.
High risk, high reward? No... He would be a high risk if you were debating drafting him, meaning you would have to get similar value to other players with similar ADP. It's now into the season and what we're talking about here is dropping a scrub off of the bench to make room for him, in case Torain end's up being a stud.This is a case of low rish, high reward.Ozymandias said:High risk, high reward. The risk is, as was pointed out above, that he merely enters the rotation in the Denver backfield, and never is a good fantasy option. The reward is that he becomes the dream back that Shanny has been looking for.I picked him up because of the dynasty potential. But I am prepared to drop him around week 10-12 if he doesn't become the primary option for the Broncos.
I don't think they would 'just get thrown to the side immediately', Torain will be eased into the role. I'm looking down the line in the fantasy playoffs when the weather gets cold. People expected to get good production out of him before Week 12 I think will be dissapointed.We're all definitely rolling the dice here, as Torain is completely unproven. What sticks out for me however, is that Shannahan didn't place him on IR when he got injured. That speaks volumes to me.selvin young is avg'ing 6.1 yards/carry, and pittman has been good from the goal line.why would they both just get thrown to the side and immediately give an unproven, injury-prone rookie 20+ carries/game?their running game hasn't seemed to have been a problem at all thus far...they just have elected not to use it much.
KC is a good matchup, Buffalo is ok. Carolina D is not so nice:Week 1 - Tomlinson 97 yardsWeek 2 - Forte 92 yardsWeek 3 - Peterson 77 yardsWeek 4 - Turner 56 yardsWeek 5 - Larry Johnson ???Week 14: KCWeek 15: @CarWeek 16: BufNot bad.
because he's one-in-four in Denver, because there are better options at RB than Torrain..why not take a flyer on Hightower, he's still available in many leagues. Warrick Dunn is available inmany leagues, he'll post solid numbers all year long..Doug B said:Not even for end-of-the-bench duty in deep keeper or dynasty leagues Sure, the chances of him breaking out are probably no more than 1 in 20, but why not give Torain a roster spot if you can spare it?Unless I felt I could trade one to another owner for something useful I wouldn't consider any Broncos back at this point.
I'm not on the Torain train yet, but I am checking the schedule for departure times...With that said, Warrick Dunn has pretty much no chance of winning you a fantasy championship. He's low risk, low reward guy. Torain on the other hand has the potential (however slim) to be the #1 RB in Denver. Granted DEN is passing much more this year, but we are all very aware of how valuable a workhorse DEN RB could be down the stretch when the weather gets bad in Mile High. Torrain is low risk,high reward IMO.because he's one-in-four in Denver, because there are better options at RB than Torrain..why not take a flyer on Hightower, he's still available in many leagues. Warrick Dunn is available inmany leagues, he'll post solid numbers all year long..Doug B said:Not even for end-of-the-bench duty in deep keeper or dynasty leagues Sure, the chances of him breaking out are probably no more than 1 in 20, but why not give Torain a roster spot if you can spare it?Unless I felt I could trade one to another owner for something useful I wouldn't consider any Broncos back at this point.
yep I got him for 3 bucks in the blind bidding (dynasty), one guy said he tried to grab him last week but had his bid screwed up and it didn;t go through, and this week him and 2 others bid a buck on him. In other words he is on peoples radars for sure...I think it is time to grab Torain. The info will keep building the closer we get to his return and he will be harder to get from here on out. I think that Shanny has big plans for this kid, just a hunch. If he was just one of 4 why isn't he on the IR or even the PUP? Some homers are even upset about this on Bronco boards becasue they think it is a waste of a roster spot. He is taking it all in, learning the play book and getting the vibe of the game. Per Shanahan's comments at his annual Broncos Quarterback Club appearance he said of Torain "Torain is 225 lbs and has a chance to come back after the bye week. Torain is one of the better running backs I have been around in my career – you will like him". I think a lot of things point towards Shanny thinking the have a shot at the playoffs this year and there is nothing better than having a ground pounding running game going into a playoff run to keep your pathetic defense off the field.
Hightower was drafted in the first round of our keep-8-players league.why not take a flyer on Hightower, he's still available in many leagues. Warrick Dunn is available in many leagues, he'll post solid numbers all year long.
This is my initial thought as well.Is Shanny gonna really give the rock to a rookie who has yet to play during their playoff drive? Think Not. His value is only in keeper leagues where you can protect extra rookies or dynasty. He will have absolutely NO value this year. If he comes back week 9 it's at least another 2 or 3 weeks before one could even imagine him sniffing the starting line-up then at that time are you really gonna roll the dice with an unproven rookie in your lineup?
important detail to remember. the track record is there.I don't know about that. This is the same Shanny that replaced Plummer with rookie Jay Cutler at 7-4 in 2006. Now, that, at the time, didn't work out for him, but my point is if Shanahan would give the rock to a rookie QB who has yet to play (in a regular season game) during their playoff drive in '06, why wouldn't he give the rock to a rookie RB who has yet to play during their playoff drive in '08? He has a history of such moves.
Is that it, or is it that the running game isn't being used enough to let the D be effective?As far as Torain....yes the staff would LOVE for him to take this job and run with it. Unfortunately this defense may keep the Broncos from being able to run much. The D can't stop anybody, which means the O will have to air it out to stay in games.
Now that was a great post. Good job..Great job. There is NO arguing that point.Case closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I don't know about that. This is the same Shanny that replaced Plummer with rookie Jay Cutler at 7-4 in 2006. Now, that, at the time, didn't work out for him, but my point is if Shanahan would give the rock to a rookie QB who has yet to play (in a regular season game) during their playoff drive in '06, why wouldn't he give the rock to a rookie RB who has yet to play during their playoff drive in '08? He has a history of such moves.
a solid ground game would help keep the D off the field, and give them a breather - but make no mistake about it, the defense in Denver doesn't have enough talent to be effective.Is that it, or is it that the running game isn't being used enough to let the D be effective?As far as Torain....yes the staff would LOVE for him to take this job and run with it. Unfortunately this defense may keep the Broncos from being able to run much. The D can't stop anybody, which means the O will have to air it out to stay in games.