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Ryan Torain (1 Viewer)
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Boss Spearman
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I'm wondering the same thing. I'm in a ten team league with a large bench. It has been reported that the goal is for Denver to bring Torain back week 8, if all goes well, week 7 being Denver's Bye. I guess, depending on you league size, now may be early or "the" right time to ensure him. It's a chance, but should he establsh himself in the 2nd half, Torain may be a nice boost for the 2nd half and playoffs.
footballsavvy
Footballguy
Shanahan praises all three of his backs right now. In no scenario do I see Selvin Young, Hall, or Pitmann finishing a game without a handfull of touches each. Thrown in a healthy Torain and they all become even more worthless from a fantasy perspective. I think best possible scenario is Torain gets the majority of carries (10-12) but still loses goal line and short yardage to Pittman. Worst case is probably young and toraine alternate series with hall coming in sporatically and pittman taking the short yardage.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
I dropped Henry for him. Can't hurt. I had the cap room.
blake
Footballguy
you know what, you people with your 'torain train' love, you finally convinced me. i couldn't hold off anymore and possibly deal with the sick feeling i know i'd get if i saw someone else claim him off of waivers.i got him in one league and put a request to claim him off of waivers in another. why wait.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
It isn't as if Shanahan has never featured a running back before. It just has to be the right running back.
blake
Footballguy
you wouldn't consider pittman? he's the one active broncos RB that i would definitely consider having on my team.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
I am in an 8 team redraft league (my only pure redraft league), and I picked him up this week.
We use a blind bidding system, so I figured spending $3 this week was better than spending $50-$100 in a few weeks.
He'll likely be my RB5 (I DID say it's an 8 team league...), but he would possibly be somebody else's RB2 or RB3 if he becomes Denver's starter.
We use a blind bidding system, so I figured spending $3 this week was better than spending $50-$100 in a few weeks.
He'll likely be my RB5 (I DID say it's an 8 team league...), but he would possibly be somebody else's RB2 or RB3 if he becomes Denver's starter.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
High risk, high reward.
The risk is, as was pointed out above, that he merely enters the rotation in the Denver backfield, and never is a good fantasy option. The reward is that he becomes the dream back that Shanny has been looking for.
I picked him up because of the dynasty potential. But I am prepared to drop him around week 10-12 if he doesn't become the primary option for the Broncos.
The risk is, as was pointed out above, that he merely enters the rotation in the Denver backfield, and never is a good fantasy option. The reward is that he becomes the dream back that Shanny has been looking for.
I picked him up because of the dynasty potential. But I am prepared to drop him around week 10-12 if he doesn't become the primary option for the Broncos.
blackjack23
Footballguy
Denver's bye is week 8
Doug B
Footballguy
Hoping it breaks this way. I just picked Torain up for Derrick Ward in a 8-man keeper league.Torain can ride the bench just as well as Ward can ... and if he turns into Olandis Gary or Reuben Droughns, so much the better. The Broncos have gone an awfully long time without having one back that can assume all the roles in the offense -- it would rock if Torain were that guy. As a rookie, I'm thinking he'll still have to spelled on passing downs to ensure that the blitz pickup is consistently made.EDIT: 8-man keeper means eight players are kept every season -- there are 12 owners in the league.
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Doug B
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Not even for end-of-the-bench duty in deep keeper or dynasty leagues
Sure, the chances of him breaking out are probably no more than 1 in 20, but why not give Torain a roster spot if you can spare it?Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
Shanahan will go by what he sees and feels. If Torain comes back and looks good he is liable to be the sole RB before you know it. He benched Young last year didn't he?
Many weeks! He will do the same this year if he likes what he sees. Torain could well be putting up terrell Davis stats by years end.
He just said yesterday he is going to run more when Torain gets back. hint ,hint.
I don;t expect this to happen right off. It will be a slow process over a few weeks if it happens at all but Torain could well put a end to the RBBC in Denver.
I don't think Shannahan likes it anymore then we do. He is just playing the cards he is dealt. None of the current 3 has stepped up and proven they are worthy of carrying the load but Pittman he was just praiseing for a bigger load last week. I didn't see it happen so who knows!
I can't beleive Torain is still on any waiver wires. Long gone in all my leagues! Even the 16 roster limit redrafts I play in someone is holding him for that Denver magic I miss so much!
I am going to double check right now but pretty sure I lost out all 20 plus of my leagues!
Many weeks! He will do the same this year if he likes what he sees. Torain could well be putting up terrell Davis stats by years end.
He just said yesterday he is going to run more when Torain gets back. hint ,hint.
I don;t expect this to happen right off. It will be a slow process over a few weeks if it happens at all but Torain could well put a end to the RBBC in Denver.
I don't think Shannahan likes it anymore then we do. He is just playing the cards he is dealt. None of the current 3 has stepped up and proven they are worthy of carrying the load but Pittman he was just praiseing for a bigger load last week. I didn't see it happen so who knows!
I can't beleive Torain is still on any waiver wires. Long gone in all my leagues! Even the 16 roster limit redrafts I play in someone is holding him for that Denver magic I miss so much!
I am going to double check right now but pretty sure I lost out all 20 plus of my leagues!
skillz
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Denver's bye is actually Week 8. The plan is to bring him back in Week 9. I don't have room for him now but once the Week 6 games are done I will have some roster space. I intend to pick him up then. If someone grabs him before then so be it. I don't want to drop anyone on my roster for him right now. He would be a RB6 for me so there is no harm for me if I pick him up and he doesn't pan out. If he happens to get the majority of carries upon return, then it was a great pick up. Low risk, high reward player in my eyes although I am thinking that he ends up getting entrenched in a RBBC with the other RBs -- while the coaching staff may have been high on him in preseason he still hasn't seen any game action (preseason or regular season) so it is going to be very tough for him to come in and make an impact in his rookie season IMO.
Doug B
Footballguy
I can understand a lot of people not buying into Torain, though.There's always that Ben Gay or Travis Prentice or William Green or Tatum Bell out there that's supposed to be the next breakout guy. And true, the comparisons aren't always exact, but the general idea of a guy under wraps for <insert reason> is the same.
And of course, with Denver of late, people remember guys like Quentin Griffith and Tatum Bell and ask "where's that 'Denver magic' now?" Last guy to take the RB reins in Denver was Reuben Droughns four years ago*. Four years is a long time to wait around on a breakout.
* Travis Henry didn't last long enough.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Low risk, high reward (but small chance of hitting). Who do you really have to drop for him? A number 2 kicker or defense after the bye?
Doug B
Footballguy
Does anyone see similarities in Torain's situation this season and Julius Jones' late-season breakout in 2005?EDIT: Not late season 2005 ... late season 2004
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BusMan
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Lee Rasizer's (Broncos' beat writer for the Rocky Mountain News) take on the Broncos RB situation, from an interview with Mile High Report:
glvsav37
Footballguy
picked him up, wanted at wait an extra week or 2 but had an extra spot in my 12 redraft. We do keep 2 players every year at a cost of 2 rounds higher then he was drafted. Being a FA pick up, he costs me a 15th rd next year.
for that I didn't want to risk him getting scooped.
If he does nothing by the end of the year or going into next then he was nothing but a transaction and a roster spot for me.
If not, then he's a stud on my team for many, many seasons to come.
for that I didn't want to risk him getting scooped.
If he does nothing by the end of the year or going into next then he was nothing but a transaction and a roster spot for me.
If not, then he's a stud on my team for many, many seasons to come.
I see very little risk, and alot of reward if he pans out.greggorymac
Footballguy
High risk, high reward? No... He would be a high risk if you were debating drafting him, meaning you would have to get similar value to other players with similar ADP. It's now into the season and what we're talking about here is dropping a scrub off of the bench to make room for him, in case Torain end's up being a stud.This is a case of low rish, high reward.Ozymandias said:
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
As far as Torain....yes the staff would LOVE for him to take this job and run with it. Unfortunately this defense may keep the Broncos from being able to run much. The D can't stop anybody, which means the O will have to air it out to stay in games.
On Torain himself...what I saw at training camp showed me nothing special. there have been 2 special backs in Shanny''s era, TD and CP.
It's the Broncos running game, so any back that is featured - and healthy - could be capable of putting up decent numbers. the problem with Torain is first and foremost health. he couldn't stay on the field at ASU, and he's already off to a bad start where that is concerned.
There were a few runs that I liked from Ryan during Training Camp. He is a different runner than what the Broncos are currently trotting out there. He is a pounder, and he loves contact. Problem is - durability. He also is a plodder, meaning he doesn't pick up/move his feet well enough when running between the tackles. What helps that is the zone blocking scheme. if he makes the correct cutback there shouldn't be much trash to run through, only an open hole.
He does take a while to get to top speed, so no quick initial burst. However, if he does build up a head of steam he can be tough to bring down - think a poor man's Brandon Jacobs (who was drafted - along with Marion Barber - a few picks after Maurice Clarett).
I would advise trading him on hype in a re-draft. Dynasty wise he has more value - IF the Broncos improve the D and show more commitment to the run.
just sent that in a PM, thought I would share it in this thread. I talked about this in the week 5 Preview show on the Audible.
On Torain himself...what I saw at training camp showed me nothing special. there have been 2 special backs in Shanny''s era, TD and CP.
It's the Broncos running game, so any back that is featured - and healthy - could be capable of putting up decent numbers. the problem with Torain is first and foremost health. he couldn't stay on the field at ASU, and he's already off to a bad start where that is concerned.
There were a few runs that I liked from Ryan during Training Camp. He is a different runner than what the Broncos are currently trotting out there. He is a pounder, and he loves contact. Problem is - durability. He also is a plodder, meaning he doesn't pick up/move his feet well enough when running between the tackles. What helps that is the zone blocking scheme. if he makes the correct cutback there shouldn't be much trash to run through, only an open hole.
He does take a while to get to top speed, so no quick initial burst. However, if he does build up a head of steam he can be tough to bring down - think a poor man's Brandon Jacobs (who was drafted - along with Marion Barber - a few picks after Maurice Clarett).
I would advise trading him on hype in a re-draft. Dynasty wise he has more value - IF the Broncos improve the D and show more commitment to the run.
just sent that in a PM, thought I would share it in this thread. I talked about this in the week 5 Preview show on the Audible.
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selvin young is avg'ing 6.1 yards/carry, and pittman has been good from the goal line.
why would they both just get thrown to the side and immediately give an unproven, injury-prone rookie 20+ carries/game?
their running game hasn't seemed to have been a problem at all thus far...they just have elected not to use it much.
why would they both just get thrown to the side and immediately give an unproven, injury-prone rookie 20+ carries/game?
their running game hasn't seemed to have been a problem at all thus far...they just have elected not to use it much.
greggorymac
Footballguy
I don't think they would 'just get thrown to the side immediately', Torain will be eased into the role. I'm looking down the line in the fantasy playoffs when the weather gets cold. People expected to get good production out of him before Week 12 I think will be dissapointed.We're all definitely rolling the dice here, as Torain is completely unproven. What sticks out for me however, is that Shannahan didn't place him on IR when he got injured. That speaks volumes to me.
KC is a good matchup, Buffalo is ok. Carolina D is not so nice:Week 1 - Tomlinson 97 yardsWeek 2 - Forte 92 yardsWeek 3 - Peterson 77 yardsWeek 4 - Turner 56 yardsWeek 5 - Larry Johnson ???
Tanner9919
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because he's one-in-four in Denver, because there are better options at RB than Torrain..why not take a flyer on Hightower, he's still available in many leagues. Warrick Dunn is available inmany leagues, he'll post solid numbers all year long..Doug B said:Not even for end-of-the-bench duty in deep keeper or dynasty leaguesSure, the chances of him breaking out are probably no more than 1 in 20, but why not give Torain a roster spot if you can spare it?
the_future420
Footballguy
I'm not on the Torain train yet, but I am checking the schedule for departure times...With that said, Warrick Dunn has pretty much no chance of winning you a fantasy championship. He's low risk, low reward guy. Torain on the other hand has the potential (however slim) to be the #1 RB in Denver. Granted DEN is passing much more this year, but we are all very aware of how valuable a workhorse DEN RB could be down the stretch when the weather gets bad in Mile High. Torrain is low risk,high reward IMO.because he's one-in-four in Denver, because there are better options at RB than Torrain..why not take a flyer on Hightower, he's still available in many leagues. Warrick Dunn is available inmany leagues, he'll post solid numbers all year long..Doug B said:Not even for end-of-the-bench duty in deep keeper or dynasty leagues
I think it is time to grab Torain. The info will keep building the closer we get to his return and he will be harder to get from here on out. I think that Shanny has big plans for this kid, just a hunch. If he was just one of 4 why isn't he on the IR or even the PUP? Some homers are even upset about this on Bronco boards becasue they think it is a waste of a roster spot. He is taking it all in, learning the play book and getting the vibe of the game. Per Shanahan's comments at his annual Broncos Quarterback Club appearance he said of Torain "Torain is 225 lbs and has a chance to come back after the bye week. Torain is one of the better running backs I have been around in my career – you will like him". I think a lot of things point towards Shanny thinking the have a shot at the playoffs this year and there is nothing better than having a ground pounding running game going into a playoff run to keep your pathetic defense off the field.
mozzy84
Footballguy
yep I got him for 3 bucks in the blind bidding (dynasty), one guy said he tried to grab him last week but had his bid screwed up and it didn;t go through, and this week him and 2 others bid a buck on him. In other words he is on peoples radars for sure...
Doug B
Footballguy
Hightower was drafted in the first round of our keep-8-players league.As for Dunn, the_future said it better than I could. Dunn is not a potential home run. Torain may only have a one-in-twenty chance of studhood, but 12-year veteran Dunn has even less of a shot than that.
Is Shanny gonna really give the rock to a rookie who has yet to play during their playoff drive? Think Not. His value is only in keeper leagues where you can protect extra rookies or dynasty. He will have absolutely NO value this year. If he comes back week 9 it's at least another 2 or 3 weeks before one could even imagine him sniffing the starting line-up then at that time are you really gonna roll the dice with an unproven rookie in your lineup?
Titan
Footballguy
I don't know about that. This is the same Shanny that replaced Plummer with rookie Jay Cutler at 7-4 in 2006. Now, that, at the time, didn't work out for him, but my point is if Shanahan would give the rock to a rookie QB who has yet to play (in a regular season game) during their playoff drive in '06, why wouldn't he give the rock to a rookie RB who has yet to play during their playoff drive in '08? He has a history of such moves.
blackjack23
Footballguy
blake
Footballguy
important detail to remember. the track record is there.
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
I went ahead and stashed him on my team's IR...no risk there!
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
lol you guys aren't even his biggest fan. In the 'recent trades' on sportsline it lists this one. Now I have never voted against a trade in FF, but THIS even I'd veto.
Pro Grade Ratings
RB Rating:
Preseason Ratings
Recent Trades
Date Traded Traded For
10/03/08 Torain, Ryan RB DEN Johnson, Larry RB KC
Pro Grade Ratings
RB Rating:
Preseason Ratings
Recent Trades
Date Traded Traded For
10/03/08 Torain, Ryan RB DEN Johnson, Larry RB KC
bostonfred
Footballguy
Is that it, or is it that the running game isn't being used enough to let the D be effective?
Now that was a great post. Good job..Great job. There is NO arguing that point.Case closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
a solid ground game would help keep the D off the field, and give them a breather - but make no mistake about it, the defense in Denver doesn't have enough talent to be effective.
