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Ryan Williams - Serious Injury Tonight (1 Viewer)

Kind of stinks to see folks cheering that own Beanie Wells. I thought Williams had a chance to do something in AZ. Wonder who they sign to bring in. Lot of teams with extra RBs, maybe time to ask Carolina if they want to turn loose someone. Howling is OK but I wouldn't want to see him carrying a big load for them.
It's not as easy as that, you saw who Detroit had to bring in when LeShoure went down. Beanie Wells will get his shot to carry the load for the Cardinals and folks will see if he'll be able to carry that load.Tough break for Ryan Williams, you have to feel bad for the guy.
 
Why would you ever draft before the end of August?
Some Dynasty Leagues have Taxi players who were drafted the previous year(s). Just because a rookie is on our roster before the end of August doesn't mean the "Rookie" draft was before the end of August.
 
This is just an awful injury guys. We have all been robbed of seeing the next great RB imo and lots of other scouts eyes as well. RW had it all big, fast and shifty. Kid was special dam this is just horrific. What a shame. I just hope modern medicine can help him out and get him back as close to 100% as possible. This kid had tremendous potential. Disgusted.

 
Beanie owner in several leagues.

I am happy for my teams that my RB3 appears to be a RB2. However I am not happy Williams got hurt and feel for the Williams owners.

 
This is just an awful injury guys. We have all been robbed of seeing the next great RB imo and lots of other scouts eyes as well. RW had it all big, fast and shifty. Kid was special dam this is just horrific. What a shame. I just hope modern medicine can help him out and get him back as close to 100% as possible. This kid had tremendous potential. Disgusted.
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Hardesty & Ben Tate last year, LeShoure & Williams this one. Lots of owners burned by their 4-5-6 overall rookie picks the last 2 years. (Thought the former duo had a lot more promise than the former two)
I have one DYnasty league (my local one) that does not do our rookie/free agent draft till after the 3rd pre-season game.THIS IS WHY.I don't like drafting in May or June....or even July. But all my other Dynasty (4 others) leagues do. Tough pill to swallow indeed.
Why? Isn't one of the points of a dynasty league to mimic as much as possible an NFL team? If an NFL team has to suffer the loss of a player, why not a fantasy dynasty team? Managing your team after the loss of a player is what separates the men from the boys.
Yeah I take care of that. Still..sucks. Men from the boys? We have 22 roster spots. You need enough depth to overcome those...I get it. But what about if it was a number one pick...it can be sickening.Read my post...all my dynasty leagues save for one drafts early. And it has only bitten me 2 times in 7 years. But it still SUCKS.LOL.
Agreed, no doubt it SUCKS. Sorry for your loss.
 
Would AZ go out and get someone like Slaton (if/when his hammy heals, but heard it was rather severe)?

or possible trade/cuts:

-Goodson

-Sutton -might get dropped

-Josh Vaughn-might get dropped and has always looked REALLY good to me. 1-2 of these guys has to be gone from Carolina you would think.

-Kevin Smith

-Gartrell Johnson -crowded now with Snelling

-Atone Smith- same

-Choice - probably not moving with Miller looking just ok and Murray not even in cleats yet.

-Parmele- saw he may be on the bubble

-Lance Ball - casualty?

-Ogbonnaya

-Mike Bell - Harrison looks a lot better this week

-Spann/Evans/James. Probably 2 cuts if they can't hang on to them

-Nance- Green looks good.

-Andre Brown

-Toston -vet that have been around, shown ok

-Darby- same

 
Love Ryan Williams, and sad to see his season end this way.

Take the fantasy implications to other threads, as well as the Dynasty and trade talks. That's not what this is for.

Here's hoping that yet another rehab for Ryan Williams goes well.

 
Love Ryan Williams, and sad to see his season end this way.

Take the fantasy implications to other threads, as well as the Dynasty and trade talks. That's not what this is for.

Here's hoping that yet another rehab for Ryan Williams goes well.
?????

Last I looked this was a fantasy football board. Fantasy implications are exactly what this thread should be about. Otherwise, what? Expressions of condolences ad nauseum? Jeez, the guy didn't die.

 
Love Ryan Williams, and sad to see his season end this way.

Take the fantasy implications to other threads, as well as the Dynasty and trade talks. That's not what this is for.

Here's hoping that yet another rehab for Ryan Williams goes well.
?????

Last I looked this was a fantasy football board. Fantasy implications are exactly what this thread should be about. Otherwise, what? Expressions of condolences ad nauseum? Jeez, the guy didn't die.
This is a time for mourning.

RIP Ryan

 
Love Ryan Williams, and sad to see his season end this way.

Take the fantasy implications to other threads, as well as the Dynasty and trade talks. That's not what this is for.

Here's hoping that yet another rehab for Ryan Williams goes well.
?????

Last I looked this was a fantasy football board. Fantasy implications are exactly what this thread should be about. Otherwise, what? Expressions of condolences ad nauseum? Jeez, the guy didn't die.
This is a time for mourning.

RIP Ryan
Yeah, apparently that's how we're supposed to be in this thread. Hold on while I go put on black and just say nice things about Williams. That's allowable.
 
Love Ryan Williams, and sad to see his season end this way.

Take the fantasy implications to other threads, as well as the Dynasty and trade talks. That's not what this is for.

Here's hoping that yet another rehab for Ryan Williams goes well.
?????

Last I looked this was a fantasy football board. Fantasy implications are exactly what this thread should be about. Otherwise, what? Expressions of condolences ad nauseum? Jeez, the guy didn't die.
This is a time for mourning.

RIP Ryan
Yeah, apparently that's how we're supposed to be in this thread. Hold on while I go put on black and just say nice things about Williams. That's allowable.
You've been around here long enough to know what I mean. No one cares about the implications to your draft, your team, your trades.General discussion of the AZ RB situation is perfectly fine.

 
Love Ryan Williams, and sad to see his season end this way.

Take the fantasy implications to other threads, as well as the Dynasty and trade talks. That's not what this is for.

Here's hoping that yet another rehab for Ryan Williams goes well.
?????

Last I looked this was a fantasy football board. Fantasy implications are exactly what this thread should be about. Otherwise, what? Expressions of condolences ad nauseum? Jeez, the guy didn't die.
This is a time for mourning.

RIP Ryan
Yeah, apparently that's how we're supposed to be in this thread. Hold on while I go put on black and just say nice things about Williams. That's allowable.
You've been around here long enough to know what I mean. No one cares about the implications to your draft, your team, your trades.General discussion of the AZ RB situation is perfectly fine.
I obviously did not know what you mean. I stand corrected, I guess. I think I'll go to bed now.
 
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I move Beanie up from an RB4 to a low end RB2 high end RB3. More valuable for sure, but not an RB1.
Sorta agree with Tim here... at least in 12 team leagues. FBG Has ARI Backfield projected out at: (roughly, though this subscriber content is about to change so I don't feel bad)Beanie 170/700/6Williams 150/670/5LSH 35/150No way LSH walks right into williams role so you gotta figure it's safe to assume Beanie is now pushing 200-220 carries easy....even if they grab some random to backfillBEanie is now looking at 900 on up to 1000 yards rushing and 7-8 TDs (conservatively) with some downside due to injury risk... very roughly in the RB20 range. Imo this bumps him from ~90 to ~45ish.... halving his ADP. Very rough thoughts... it's late
 
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When did Beanie become "soft"? Was it when he played injured all of last season and didn't look as good as he did the end of the season prior? He played through injury all year, which makes him tough. But he didn't look as good or run as hard because of the injury, so he's soft.Can't have it both ways. Why is he soft? Didn't look soft when he was healthy at the end of '09.
Soft is not a quantifiable stat. He is soft in that he should be limited in the number of carries. Not in his style. I dont believe he can be a teams bell cow for an entire season. He was soft at Ohio State and has been thus far in the NFL. The fact that he plays injured doesnt make him tough, "NFL football tough". SJax is tough, Adrian Peterson is tough, they play injured all the time, and still "play well". Beanie has to be 100% healthy at all times to be productive. He did have a nice (3) 100+ yd games in the end of 09' but so did Mike Goodson in 10', doesnt make him a world beater.
 
This seems like the correct place to discuss all things fantasy that are affected by the injury, including Wells' value, Williams' dynasty value and where he might go in rookie drafts.

 
lol at disparaging beanie for being "soft." i guess ryan williams is that much softer.
Yeah I don't get all this Beanie is an injury risk, like Williams wasn't or is and he will be one next year. Wells gets 240 carries this year for 1056 yrds 40 catches for 252 yrds and 12 TDs
 
Wow. Well this sucks.

I had Beanie projected for 1000 and 10 before the injury to Williams. This will boost those numbers for sure.

Really sad. Williams looked like the real deal, and the Cards have been waiting for years for "the guy" in the backfield. I'm not sure Beanie can be the guy, but he sure is going to get the chance.

There really is no one else at this point behind Beanie. He should see a ton of carries. But the Cards have never been a good rushing team, and I don't expect that to change overnight, so I'd still rank Beanie as a low-end RB2 at this point.

 
as to the prognosis, as was noted upthread, this is the injury clayton suffered around game four or five last year... he wasn't recovered enough for rams to sign him (who reportedly wanted to if healthy), but he was recently reported to be working out in NE (not sure if he had a physical?)... caddy was also mentioned... he had two (different knees)... he didn't really look the same after two surgeries, but i didn't remember after the first one... seemed like he had regained some of his burst... article excerpt* below i think mentions he started the following season (post-FIRST injury) on PUP, but returned strong, before second injury...

i was really looking forward to seeing williams... that is having beanie in two leagues and williams in none... actual football always takes primacy over fantasy implications in my world, and i always hate to see players injured... the little i saw of williams highlights, he looked like a special RB, with possible top 5-10 upside... in some ways he looked like deangelo, maybe stronger, deangelos cuts were a little more looping and elliptical, with williams a bit more direct in his angles... there was one play where it looked like he jumped in from past the 5 yard line, and landed a few yards in the end zone, and was in the air for close to 20 feet... i think he is (hopefully not was) a rare talent... hope for a speedy, as close as possible to complete recovery...

* http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3798969

"...The 2005 Offensive Rookie of the Year when he rushed for 1,178 yards and six touchdowns, Williams' production has been limited the past three seasons because of injuries. He missed the final 12 games of 2007 after undergoing surgery on his right knee and sat out the first 10 games of this year.

On Sunday, he was having his best game since being activated from the physically unable to perform list in November. In addition to scoring two touchdowns and rushing for 78 yards on 12 carries, he also had a team-high five receptions for 37 yards against the Raiders..."

** ortho site on patellar tendon...

http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=a00512

 
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Big question on Wells is not the number of carries. The opportunity is there and was there for him last year. The question is can he stay healthy enough to get those carries and do something with them. To this point he has shown nothing to indicate that he can do that, which is why Arizona took Williams with an early draft pick. They felt like they needed Williams, and they probably do.

I'd give Wells a mild uptick in projections, but his limitation this year, just like every year, will be his ability to utilize his opportunities.

Patellar tendon is obviously a serious injury. Here's to a quick recovery for RW. See you in 2012.

 
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i ruptured my patella in a car accident when i was 18 (2002). was in a knee brace and crutches for the first couple of weeks because more important people had surgeries with this surgeon scheduled. i had surgery when i was a freshman in college and i crutched my ### around campus during milwaukee winter... i fell a couple times on ice but roughed it out and had a lot of lady friends feeling sorry for me as well :) . anyway, a couple of months after surgery i could walk without crutches - its all a gradual range of motion thing with the brace. after 7 months i felt like new. now i wasn't playing contact sports, nor am i as athletic as anyone in the nfl (including kickers) - they brought me along gradually. i put in some decent work to get back to speed and was able to run, jump and cycle after 7 months. as i said, i'm not an athletic person - the most athletic thing i was doing at the time was probably snowboarding (before incident) or biking around the streets of milwaukee. i was able to bounce around, dance to techno music and run from cops. i was back to normal at 7 months.

tbh, i think this is just a bump in the road for ryan williams. i'm a dynasty owner and when i saw this happen (i'm a packer fan and was tuned in at the bar) i thought to myself "O ####, HE'S DONE". immediately thought ACL... but come to find out it's a patella rupture. i'm certain he can come back from this to 100% and i still think this kid can still do big things in the nfl. this is something you can come back from and i mean a 100% come back ... back to square one.

i looked around for something to back this up, this is the best article i found.

http://www.sportsmd....cles/id/19.aspx

 
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FootballJesus might want to change his screen name or just go away from this board for good. Because any post by him or request for help will fall on deaf ears. I'm sure no one will forget either.....

But back to the topic, I agree with most of the posts. I moved Wells up one spot on my draft sheet after hearing the news. Went from a RB3 to a borderline RB2 with upside. And no matter who Arizona gets, unless it is in a trade, they will probably not be fantasy relevant in my opinion. Just insurance back up.

 
'Da Guru said:
'ConnSKINS26 said:
Damn...if it IS a serious ACL injury, what does that do to Beanie's value? He was already slated as the starter, but many thought that with time Williams would usurp the role.
Great news for Wells owners.. :thumbup: Now we will finally see what he is made of.
I'm a Wells owner, and while it helps his fantasy prospects, I don't feel good about it. Hate to see anyone go down like that.
 
The worst non-Williams ramification is that now Beanie's ADP will skyrocket. Which sucks for everyone who had read all the TC reports and knew he was going to be the guy anyway. It's very similar to Foster last year when most of FBGs had him pegged, but then Ben Tate got hurt and the rest of the world jumped his ADP way up.

Not that Beanie is this year's Foster, but the ADP effects are the same. This is why you draft early.

 
Atleast it's only a pec, nothing serious to his career... We all knew that rookies were going to have injuries this yr due to the lack of work

 
Atleast it's only a pec, nothing serious to his career... We all knew that rookies were going to have injuries this yr due to the lack of work
I don't think you have your info straight. Not a pec (if you mean chest). It's a patella tendon, a very serious injury with a long rehab.
 
'kutta said:
I had Beanie projected for 1000 and 10 before the injury to Williams.
'kutta said:
Really sad. Williams looked like the real deal, and the Cards have been waiting for years for "the guy" in the backfield. I'm not sure Beanie can be the guy...
These seem kinda contradictory to me. Just sayin'...
 
'[icon] said:
Beanie is now pushing 200-220 carries easy....BEanie is now looking at 900 on up to 1000 yards rushing ... very roughly in the RB20 range. Imo this bumps him from ~90 to ~45ish.... halving his ADP.
900 yards on 200 carries would be 4.5ypc. I don't think that's gonna happen.
 
'trader jake said:
'TheFootballJesus said:
Made a trade in my league JUST after it happened. Sam Bradford + Ryan Williams for Cam Newton + Robert Meachem. The other guy was practically jumping for joy on the other side of the phone. Yes, I am the most devious fantasy player you'll ever meet.
Stay classy.You still got a bad deal.
:goodposting: Bradford > Cam Newton + Robert Meachem
'hamster_13 said:
'TheFootballJesus said:
Made a trade in my league JUST after it happened. Sam Bradford + Ryan Williams for Cam Newton + Robert Meachem. The other guy was practically jumping for joy on the other side of the phone. Yes, I am the most devious fantasy player you'll ever meet.
Bad sportsmanship if you knew about and still traded him. :no:
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'kutta said:
I had Beanie projected for 1000 and 10 before the injury to Williams.
'kutta said:
Really sad. Williams looked like the real deal, and the Cards have been waiting for years for "the guy" in the backfield. I'm not sure Beanie can be the guy...
These seem kinda contradictory to me. Just sayin'...
Pre-injury, my prediction was that Beanie would get the chance to be the guy early in the year. The first three Cards games are against Carolina, Washington, and Seattle, and he should do pretty well in those games. Assuming he didn't get hurt or fumble too much, he would continue to get the majority of the carries while they brought Williams along slowly - specifically because Wiz does not like to play rookies early.It's hard to say what would have happened at the end of the year and into next, but for this year, I saw Beanie with those numbers with Williams coming on stronger at the end of the year.Remember that Beanie had about 800 and 8 his rookie year and still wasn't "the guy."
 
'[icon] said:
Beanie is now pushing 200-220 carries easy....BEanie is now looking at 900 on up to 1000 yards rushing ... very roughly in the RB20 range. Imo this bumps him from ~90 to ~45ish.... halving his ADP.
900 yards on 200 carries would be 4.5ypc. I don't think that's gonna happen.
Why? He averaged 4.5 YPC his rookie year on 176 carries.
 
Really unfortunate for Williams.Does this push him into the 2nd in rookie drafts?
Honestly, given the fact that some (like RW) are saying "potentially career threatening" and that with the long rehab, next year isn't even guaranteed - it might be much further down...if at all.
 
'timschochet said:
'Anonymous Internet User said:
'timschochet said:
'Mr Rodgers neighborhood said:
'timschochet said:
Some of you guys freak me out. My draft is Sunday, and if somebody selects Ryan Williams I will inform them that he is injured and allow them to pick again (I'm commish). It's a money league, sure, but none of us want to win that way. Some of you guys...damn.
Instead of letting them re-pick, just state that he ruptured his PCL and is out for the year. You don't have to be a ####, but you also don't need to baby owners that don't pay attention.
You mean state before the draft starts? I didn't think of that. We've never done it that way. Maybe I will though.
He means if someone picks Williams, inform them of the injury but don't let them repick. In other words, rub it in.
Yeah, no. I don't think so. How classless.
Its really not classless if you're playing in competitive leagues with die-hard owners who have been doing this for a long time. Owners should be responsible for their own teams, that's what they pay for. Might be different if you're playing with a bunch of first-timers. Where do you draw the line and let them manage their own team? Maybe $100 is a little steep if owners don't know what they are doing?Thanks for judging though. :football:
 
Hey everyone, can we please not talk about anyone's individual leagues, your trades, your fantasy rosters, and your drafts.

Lets get back to talking about Ryan Williams, Chris Wells, and the fantasy implications of the injury to Williams as far as rankings and drafts go.

We need to get this thread back on track.

Thanks.

 

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