grabnmcbutt
Footballguy
John L Smith done at Michigan State and long time Local sport talk show Tim Stoudt say that Sabin has expressed and interest in coming back to MSU.
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Saban done at Miami? (1 Viewer)
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
They would not take Saben back, he did not leave in good graces.
grabnmcbutt
Footballguy
Word is they put "feelers" out to him after the Illinois game and the response was positive.
M
MLBrandow
Guest
Why would Saban leave in the middle of rebuilding the Dolphins?
He's a great coach... give the man his 3-year grace period.
He has plenty of job security right now.
He's a great coach... give the man his 3-year grace period.
He has plenty of job security right now.
at the idea of Saban leaving the Dolphins and the NFL for a job at Michigan State
Warpig
Footballguy
Glad I took Indiana and the over!The Dolphins lost by 25 to Indiana?!?-QG
Foosball God
Foos
Add in another 4.5 million reasons per year over the next 2 years and you have your answer. He's not going anywhere.
turkishkamel
Footballguy
i would be shocked if the job doesn't go to Mooch. he could probably be a good college football coach and recruiter.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Saban's not getting the ax after two years in Miami. And even if he was, he won a national title at LSU. If he wanted to go back to college, he would be #1 on just about every list. Why go back to a school that is about to have its 5th losing season in 7 years since he left?
This is a nonsense rumor. I expect to hear many of them today.
This is a nonsense rumor. I expect to hear many of them today.
the Izzo connection makes that a possibility, but I'd imagine Mooch could get a better job than MSU.also, he already had success in college when he coached at Cal. Definitely seems like he could be another Pete Carroll-type coach who has more success in college than in the pros, but I'm not sure he wants to drop down.turkishkamel said:
sheetstainer
Footballguy
glad i took indiana moneyline +245.Warpig said:Glad I took Indiana and the over!QuizGuy66 said:The Dolphins lost by 25 to Indiana?!?
UNless it was
Notre Dame - who already has an all world coach
USC - see above
Florida ST - possible is Bowden retires
Penn ST - possible is Joe Pa calls it quits
Texas - got a great coach already
Oklahoma - see above
Nebraska - maybe if Calahan does get er done.
Miami - Maybe actually especially with Coker being gone.
Michigan ST ???????? What top named Coach would go there as a dream job ? Thats where you go to build your career back up !
Notre Dame - who already has an all world coach
USC - see above
Florida ST - possible is Bowden retires
Penn ST - possible is Joe Pa calls it quits
Texas - got a great coach already
Oklahoma - see above
Nebraska - maybe if Calahan does get er done.
Miami - Maybe actually especially with Coker being gone.
Michigan ST ???????? What top named Coach would go there as a dream job ? Thats where you go to build your career back up !
And so it begins...
From an ESPN article:
Former Detroit Lions coach Steve Mariucci, a longtime time friend of Spartans basketball coach Tom Izzo, could be the right fit. He's a nationally recognized name and has college coaching experience. Despite his problems with the Lions, he is still a beloved figure in the state and is recognizable enough to recruit against Michigan.
But if Izzo and Mariucci are indeed close friends -- they grew up together in Iron Mountain, Mich. -- shouldn't Izzo warn Mariucci about getting involved with Michigan State football?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/stor...&id=2646133
From an ESPN article:
Former Detroit Lions coach Steve Mariucci, a longtime time friend of Spartans basketball coach Tom Izzo, could be the right fit. He's a nationally recognized name and has college coaching experience. Despite his problems with the Lions, he is still a beloved figure in the state and is recognizable enough to recruit against Michigan.
But if Izzo and Mariucci are indeed close friends -- they grew up together in Iron Mountain, Mich. -- shouldn't Izzo warn Mariucci about getting involved with Michigan State football?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/stor...&id=2646133
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Actually, it's where you go to ruin your career and run yourself out of coaching.
turkishkamel
Footballguy
Shrek
Having a great season
Although it isn't going to happen, I can't deny that it would be great to see him limp away from the Dolphins a loser while blaming everyone else for his team's failures. You know, the way he did when he left LSU after losing the Capital One Bowl. I know that still chaps his ###.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
and from a Bills fan no less!Saban is just getting started in Miami - he pretty much has total control on how the team will be built, he has an owner willing to stand back and let him build it, and he has a half finished project. Why would he take a step back to having to deal with recruiting against OSU and Mich.?Because he's failing miserably? :dunno:
redman
Footballguy
Saban achieved some impressive heights in college and was very highly regarded for his efforts to date in the NFL up until 2 months ago when the Dolphins season debacle began. For him to leave the NFL for college it would take an invitation from one of the handful of elite programs - Miami; USC; Texas; Michigan; Notre Dame; Ohio State - and for a boatload of money.
whhwalker
Footballguy
Except Spurrier left Redskins with 5+ million per year for 3-5 more years to become a Cocck. so it can happen
redman
Footballguy
Spurrier =Except Spurrier left Redskins with 5+ million per year for 3-5 more years to become a Cocck. so it can happen
Don't use him as a model for anything logical.
DocGonzo
Footballguy
The local news last night here in Lansing said the Spartans and North Carolina look to be competing for Butch Davis. Report said Carolina fired its coach a week or two ago and made an attempt to contact Davis and the Spartans figured they had better fire John L now and put feelers out to Butch if they want him. No link, just what I heard on the news while I was cooking dinner...
Butch Davis would be the other guy at the top of their list.Word is he wants $3 million per and it to be guaranteed. MSU just got burned by John L with a guaranteed contract. So who knows if they are willing to do it again.That being said, if MSU wants to get back to being competitive, they cannot go cheap with this hire.
MSULions
Footballguy
Two comments:
1 - Mooch will NOT be the next spartan's coach. He is not still "beloved" in michigan, quite the opposite. He also drove a huge wedge between himself and Detroit media - and has said that he dislikes them intensely. The biggest knock against what John L. has done here is how undisciplined the team has become. You think they are going to hire a guy who doesn't make his team practice in pads? Finally, Izzo said yesterday that he will be involved in the search - which essentially eliminates Mooch. The logic here being that hiring him would seem akin to nepotism.
2 - Nick Saban has been confirmed to have been in East Lansing yesterday and having dinner with AD Ron Mason the night before on the local news. Take that for what it's worth.
1 - Mooch will NOT be the next spartan's coach. He is not still "beloved" in michigan, quite the opposite. He also drove a huge wedge between himself and Detroit media - and has said that he dislikes them intensely. The biggest knock against what John L. has done here is how undisciplined the team has become. You think they are going to hire a guy who doesn't make his team practice in pads? Finally, Izzo said yesterday that he will be involved in the search - which essentially eliminates Mooch. The logic here being that hiring him would seem akin to nepotism.
2 - Nick Saban has been confirmed to have been in East Lansing yesterday and having dinner with AD Ron Mason the night before on the local news. Take that for what it's worth.
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NYGus
Footballguy
Has there been a college head coach in recent memory that has gone on to be succesful in the NFL??
Seems like most of the NFL coaches that win are NFL homegrowns and any college expperience seems to be at the assistant or coordinator level.
Here are just a few off the top of my head:
Belichick-never a college head coach 3 championships
Parcells-Air Force head coach one year 2 championships
Gibbs-never college head coach 3 championships
Cowher-never a college head coach 1 championship
conversley
Denny Green- head coach at Wichita State and Stanford
Steve Spurrier-head coach Florida and SC
Nick Saben-head coach LSU
Butch Davis-head coach Miami
All of those coaches suck or have sucked at the NFL level. I guess an argument can me made for some names I've omitted like Bill Walsh but it sure doesn't seem like many can hack the NFL after being a prominent college head coach.
If I'm a Phins fan I happily say Buh bye Nick Saben.
Seems like most of the NFL coaches that win are NFL homegrowns and any college expperience seems to be at the assistant or coordinator level.
Here are just a few off the top of my head:
Belichick-never a college head coach 3 championships
Parcells-Air Force head coach one year 2 championships
Gibbs-never college head coach 3 championships
Cowher-never a college head coach 1 championship
conversley
Denny Green- head coach at Wichita State and Stanford
Steve Spurrier-head coach Florida and SC
Nick Saben-head coach LSU
Butch Davis-head coach Miami
All of those coaches suck or have sucked at the NFL level. I guess an argument can me made for some names I've omitted like Bill Walsh but it sure doesn't seem like many can hack the NFL after being a prominent college head coach.
If I'm a Phins fan I happily say Buh bye Nick Saben.
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Shrek
Having a great season
I know that.My point was that when he lost that game, he b####ed and whined for the next week about how they were the superior team, they played better, they got hosed, blah blah blah. The refs did everything in their power to give LSU that game and they still lost. I lost any respect I had for him because it showed me he wasn't being accountable. And why would he be? He was leaving. At least lately the Dolphins are used to coaches who aren't accountable.
Jimmy Johnson (Miami) was pretty darn good. . . won a Super Bowl. **** Vermeil (UCLA) did well. . . won a Super Bowl.Barry Switzer (Oklahoma) rode Johnson's coattails to a Super Bowl, although I don't think he was a great coach at all.John Robinson (USC) did well prior to selling his soul and coaching the Rams into the ground.Denny Green did a pretty good job for Minnesota. He took over a team that was terrible and built them into an above average franchise. I don't think he was a failure at all.Tom Coughlin (Boston College), although not a great coach, is able to have moderate success in the NFL. He's just too much of a hard-### to be great.The first three above won championships and the last three weren't failures.Has there been a college head coach in recent memory that has gone on to be succesful in the NFL??Seems like most of the NFL coaches that win are NFL homegrowns and any college expperience seems to be at the assistant or coordinator level.Here are just a few off the top of my head:Belichick-never a college head coach 3 championshipsParcells-Air Force head coach one year 2 championshipsGibbs-never college head coach 3 championshipsCowher-never a college head coach 1 championshipconversleyDenny Green- head coach at Wichita State and StanfordSteve Spurrier-head coach Florida and SCNick Saben-head coach LSUButch Davis-head coach MiamiAll of those coaches suck or have sucked at the NFL level. I guess an argument can me made for some names I've omitted like Bill Walsh but it sure doesn't seem like many can hack the NFL after being a prominent college head coach.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
He was paid all of that money...I think he was fired.When Marty left the Skins after only 1 season he was given the entire $10 million of his 3 year contract, then he signs with San Diego and got a similar contract...he made like $13 million in 1 year when he came back to caoching...and he has won how many playoff games in the alst decade? Zero!!!Except Spurrier left Redskins with 5+ million per year for 3-5 more years to become a Cocck. so it can happen
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NYGus
Footballguy
Jimmy Johnson-definitely, you are 100% correct, I knew I'd forget someone.Robinson won 2 NFC Championships 85 and 89...almost 20 years agoVermeil did not coach college recently...more like 30+ years ago and was only a HC at UCLA 2 years and was a pro coach prior.Denny Green sucks...biggest choke coach of the last 25 years.Coughlin-I'm a Giants fan and still waiting but he has potential.Switzer? come on. I could have coached that team to the title.Aside from Johnson you helped me make my point.College head coaches for the most part cannot hack the NFL. Pete Carrol would be another example of a great college guy and crappy NFL coach.Jimmy Johnson (Miami) was pretty darn good. . . won a Super Bowl. **** Vermeil (UCLA) did well. . . won a Super Bowl.Barry Switzer (Oklahoma) rode Johnson's coattails to a Super Bowl, although I don't think he was a great coach at all.John Robinson (USC) did well prior to selling his soul and coaching the Rams into the ground.Denny Green did a pretty good job for Minnesota. He took over a team that was terrible and built them into an above average franchise. I don't think he was a failure at all.Tom Coughlin (Boston College), although not a great coach, is able to have moderate success in the NFL. He's just too much of a hard-### to be great.The first three above won championships and the last three weren't failures.Has there been a college head coach in recent memory that has gone on to be succesful in the NFL??Seems like most of the NFL coaches that win are NFL homegrowns and any college expperience seems to be at the assistant or coordinator level.Here are just a few off the top of my head:Belichick-never a college head coach 3 championshipsParcells-Air Force head coach one year 2 championshipsGibbs-never college head coach 3 championshipsCowher-never a college head coach 1 championshipconversleyDenny Green- head coach at Wichita State and StanfordSteve Spurrier-head coach Florida and SCNick Saben-head coach LSUButch Davis-head coach MiamiAll of those coaches suck or have sucked at the NFL level. I guess an argument can me made for some names I've omitted like Bill Walsh but it sure doesn't seem like many can hack the NFL after being a prominent college head coach.
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Your question was who came from college and succeeded. You didn't put any of the qualifiers that you put in your comments on each of the coaches I brought up.The facts are that Robinson came from college and succeeded. He later got fired because his teams sucked and he was doing a terrible job, but you just pointed out that Robinson succeeded.Did Vermeil have to coach in college recently to have gotten his first head coaching job in college and then succeed after that in the NFL? He was a UCLA assistant in 1970, as well.You may think Denny Green sucks, but I like to use such things as facts, statistics and more importantly, wins and losses, when analyzing the success of a coach. The overall winning percentage of all teams in the NFL is .500. Denny Green took one Vikings team to a 15-1 record and took two teams to the NFC Championship Game. He compiled a 97-62 regular season record. He had ONE losing season in his 10 seasons with the Vikings. His combined winning percentage is .610. Bill Parcells winning percentage is .568. Still think Denny Green hasn't been a successful NFL head coach?You do realize that Coughlin was the head coach for the Jaguars prior to the Giants, don't you? He was the first head coach for the Jags, taking over an EXPANSION team. Despite this, he guided the Jags to two AFC Championship games (one in their second year of existence), a 14-2 record once, and a career 68-60 record for the expansion Jaguars. The Giants were 17-15 in his first two seasons, and he took them to the playoffs 2 seasons after they were 4-12. They are 5-2 right now, so he's 22-17 in three seasons after taking over a team that went 4-12 the season before he got there. Not successful?Switzer won a Super Bowl. I don't care how bad a coach you and I may think he is, that is pretty successful.So, in what way did I make your point for you? All of these coaches have been successful and at the very worst have taken their teams to a conference championship game. You don't think that's successful?Jimmy Johnson-definitely, you are 100% correct, I knew I'd forget someone.Robinson won 2 NFC Championships 85 and 89...almost 20 years agoVermeil did not coach college recently...more like 30+ years ago and was only a HC at UCLA 2 years and was a pro coach prior.Denny Green sucks...biggest choke coach of the last 25 years.Coughlin-I'm a Giants fan and still waiting but he has potential.Switzer? come on. I could have coached that team to the title.Aside from Johnson you helped me make my point.College head coaches for the most part cannot hack the NFL. Pete Carrol would be another example of a great college guy and crappy NFL coach.Jimmy Johnson (Miami) was pretty darn good. . . won a Super Bowl. **** Vermeil (UCLA) did well. . . won a Super Bowl.Barry Switzer (Oklahoma) rode Johnson's coattails to a Super Bowl, although I don't think he was a great coach at all.John Robinson (USC) did well prior to selling his soul and coaching the Rams into the ground.Denny Green did a pretty good job for Minnesota. He took over a team that was terrible and built them into an above average franchise. I don't think he was a failure at all.Tom Coughlin (Boston College), although not a great coach, is able to have moderate success in the NFL. He's just too much of a hard-### to be great.The first three above won championships and the last three weren't failures.Has there been a college head coach in recent memory that has gone on to be succesful in the NFL??Seems like most of the NFL coaches that win are NFL homegrowns and any college expperience seems to be at the assistant or coordinator level.Here are just a few off the top of my head:Belichick-never a college head coach 3 championshipsParcells-Air Force head coach one year 2 championshipsGibbs-never college head coach 3 championshipsCowher-never a college head coach 1 championshipconversleyDenny Green- head coach at Wichita State and StanfordSteve Spurrier-head coach Florida and SCNick Saben-head coach LSUButch Davis-head coach MiamiAll of those coaches suck or have sucked at the NFL level. I guess an argument can me made for some names I've omitted like Bill Walsh but it sure doesn't seem like many can hack the NFL after being a prominent college head coach.
MSULions
Footballguy
No need to Mooch
Adam Schefter
(Nov. 1, 2006) -- It's not hard to see why the Michigan State football program is enamored with Steve Mariucci as a candidate -- perhaps the leading candidate -- for its vacant head coaching job.
Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo is best friends with Mariucci.
Mariucci coached the Detroit Lions.
Mariucci is, essentially, a coaching free agent.
Don't expect NFL Network analyst Steve Mariucci to coach any time soon.
But despite all this, Mariucci will not be Michigan State's next head football coach. Mariucci's agent, Sandy Montag, said Wednesday that his client is not interested in leaving his job as an analyst at NFL Network for the Michigan State job.
"Steve is very happy in broadcasting," Montag said from his New York offices. "He really likes what he's doing at NFL Network. Broadcasting is something that Steve is excited and passionate about."
Translation: Mariucci's not going anywhere, at least for now, maybe ever.
Mariucci might be the next former head football coach -- a la John Madden, another Montag client -- who makes the transition from sideline to TV without going back. Then there are other factors to consider.
The Lions are paying Mariucci for the next two years. With them supplementing his TV income, Mariucci has less than no desire to take a job at Michigan State.
Mariucci has children in school and he has learned that a broadcaster's hours are more conducive to family life than a coach's. So for now, despite how much Michigan State wants him -- and it is believed to be plenty -- Mariucci is staying stationed at his TV station.
Adam Schefter
(Nov. 1, 2006) -- It's not hard to see why the Michigan State football program is enamored with Steve Mariucci as a candidate -- perhaps the leading candidate -- for its vacant head coaching job.
Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo is best friends with Mariucci.
Mariucci coached the Detroit Lions.
Mariucci is, essentially, a coaching free agent.
Don't expect NFL Network analyst Steve Mariucci to coach any time soon.
But despite all this, Mariucci will not be Michigan State's next head football coach. Mariucci's agent, Sandy Montag, said Wednesday that his client is not interested in leaving his job as an analyst at NFL Network for the Michigan State job.
"Steve is very happy in broadcasting," Montag said from his New York offices. "He really likes what he's doing at NFL Network. Broadcasting is something that Steve is excited and passionate about."
Translation: Mariucci's not going anywhere, at least for now, maybe ever.
Mariucci might be the next former head football coach -- a la John Madden, another Montag client -- who makes the transition from sideline to TV without going back. Then there are other factors to consider.
The Lions are paying Mariucci for the next two years. With them supplementing his TV income, Mariucci has less than no desire to take a job at Michigan State.
Mariucci has children in school and he has learned that a broadcaster's hours are more conducive to family life than a coach's. So for now, despite how much Michigan State wants him -- and it is believed to be plenty -- Mariucci is staying stationed at his TV station.
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redman
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain said:He was paid all of that money...I think he was fired.Except Spurrier left Redskins with 5+ million per year for 3-5 more years to become a Cocck. so it can happen
Spurrier didn't get that money because he quit his job, and over the telephone from a golf course no less. 
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Couldn't agree more.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
GDogg said:Your question was who came from college and succeeded. You didn't put any of the qualifiers that you put in your comments on each of the coaches I brought up.The facts are that Robinson came from college and succeeded. He later got fired because his teams sucked and he was doing a terrible job, but you just pointed out that Robinson succeeded.Did Vermeil have to coach in college recently to have gotten his first head coaching job in college and then succeed after that in the NFL? He was a UCLA assistant in 1970, as well.You may think Denny Green sucks, but I like to use such things as facts, statistics and more importantly, wins and losses, when analyzing the success of a coach. The overall winning percentage of all teams in the NFL is .500. Denny Green took one Vikings team to a 15-1 record and took two teams to the NFC Championship Game. He compiled a 97-62 regular season record. He had ONE losing season in his 10 seasons with the Vikings. His combined winning percentage is .610. Bill Parcells winning percentage is .568. Still think Denny Green hasn't been a successful NFL head coach?You do realize that Coughlin was the head coach for the Jaguars prior to the Giants, don't you? He was the first head coach for the Jags, taking over an EXPANSION team. Despite this, he guided the Jags to two AFC Championship games (one in their second year of existence), a 14-2 record once, and a career 68-60 record for the expansion Jaguars. The Giants were 17-15 in his first two seasons, and he took them to the playoffs 2 seasons after they were 4-12. They are 5-2 right now, so he's 22-17 in three seasons after taking over a team that went 4-12 the season before he got there. Not successful?Switzer won a Super Bowl. I don't care how bad a coach you and I may think he is, that is pretty successful.So, in what way did I make your point for you? All of these coaches have been successful and at the very worst have taken their teams to a conference championship game. You don't think that's successful?NYGus said:Jimmy Johnson-definitely, you are 100% correct, I knew I'd forget someone.Robinson won 2 NFC Championships 85 and 89...almost 20 years agoVermeil did not coach college recently...more like 30+ years ago and was only a HC at UCLA 2 years and was a pro coach prior.Denny Green sucks...biggest choke coach of the last 25 years.Coughlin-I'm a Giants fan and still waiting but he has potential.Switzer? come on. I could have coached that team to the title.Aside from Johnson you helped me make my point.College head coaches for the most part cannot hack the NFL. Pete Carrol would be another example of a great college guy and crappy NFL coach.GDogg said:Jimmy Johnson (Miami) was pretty darn good. . . won a Super Bowl. **** Vermeil (UCLA) did well. . . won a Super Bowl.Barry Switzer (Oklahoma) rode Johnson's coattails to a Super Bowl, although I don't think he was a great coach at all.John Robinson (USC) did well prior to selling his soul and coaching the Rams into the ground.Denny Green did a pretty good job for Minnesota. He took over a team that was terrible and built them into an above average franchise. I don't think he was a failure at all.Tom Coughlin (Boston College), although not a great coach, is able to have moderate success in the NFL. He's just too much of a hard-### to be great.The first three above won championships and the last three weren't failures.NYGus said:Has there been a college head coach in recent memory that has gone on to be succesful in the NFL??Seems like most of the NFL coaches that win are NFL homegrowns and any college expperience seems to be at the assistant or coordinator level.Here are just a few off the top of my head:Belichick-never a college head coach 3 championshipsParcells-Air Force head coach one year 2 championshipsGibbs-never college head coach 3 championshipsCowher-never a college head coach 1 championshipconversleyDenny Green- head coach at Wichita State and StanfordSteve Spurrier-head coach Florida and SCNick Saben-head coach LSUButch Davis-head coach MiamiAll of those coaches suck or have sucked at the NFL level. I guess an argument can me made for some names I've omitted like Bill Walsh but it sure doesn't seem like many can hack the NFL after being a prominent college head coach.
also, as to your facetious question:
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
PS - one of the reasons that Fla. HC's hang onto their jobs with a tight claw and would never walk away without giving it a shot at long term success = no state income tax.
When you make 2.5 Million, that's a huge incentive to keep drawing an in-state salary check.
When you make 2.5 Million, that's a huge incentive to keep drawing an in-state salary check.
Zaphod
Two heads are better than one
Extremely outstanding post! Thank you for the good read and the solid research.GDogg said:Your question was who came from college and succeeded. You didn't put any of the qualifiers that you put in your comments on each of the coaches I brought up.The facts are that Robinson came from college and succeeded. He later got fired because his teams sucked and he was doing a terrible job, but you just pointed out that Robinson succeeded.Did Vermeil have to coach in college recently to have gotten his first head coaching job in college and then succeed after that in the NFL? He was a UCLA assistant in 1970, as well.You may think Denny Green sucks, but I like to use such things as facts, statistics and more importantly, wins and losses, when analyzing the success of a coach. The overall winning percentage of all teams in the NFL is .500. Denny Green took one Vikings team to a 15-1 record and took two teams to the NFC Championship Game. He compiled a 97-62 regular season record. He had ONE losing season in his 10 seasons with the Vikings. His combined winning percentage is .610. Bill Parcells winning percentage is .568. Still think Denny Green hasn't been a successful NFL head coach?You do realize that Coughlin was the head coach for the Jaguars prior to the Giants, don't you? He was the first head coach for the Jags, taking over an EXPANSION team. Despite this, he guided the Jags to two AFC Championship games (one in their second year of existence), a 14-2 record once, and a career 68-60 record for the expansion Jaguars. The Giants were 17-15 in his first two seasons, and he took them to the playoffs 2 seasons after they were 4-12. They are 5-2 right now, so he's 22-17 in three seasons after taking over a team that went 4-12 the season before he got there. Not successful?Switzer won a Super Bowl. I don't care how bad a coach you and I may think he is, that is pretty successful.So, in what way did I make your point for you? All of these coaches have been successful and at the very worst have taken their teams to a conference championship game. You don't think that's successful?NYGus said:Jimmy Johnson-definitely, you are 100% correct, I knew I'd forget someone.Robinson won 2 NFC Championships 85 and 89...almost 20 years agoVermeil did not coach college recently...more like 30+ years ago and was only a HC at UCLA 2 years and was a pro coach prior.Denny Green sucks...biggest choke coach of the last 25 years.Coughlin-I'm a Giants fan and still waiting but he has potential.Switzer? come on. I could have coached that team to the title.Aside from Johnson you helped me make my point.College head coaches for the most part cannot hack the NFL. Pete Carrol would be another example of a great college guy and crappy NFL coach.GDogg said:Jimmy Johnson (Miami) was pretty darn good. . . won a Super Bowl. **** Vermeil (UCLA) did well. . . won a Super Bowl.Barry Switzer (Oklahoma) rode Johnson's coattails to a Super Bowl, although I don't think he was a great coach at all.John Robinson (USC) did well prior to selling his soul and coaching the Rams into the ground.Denny Green did a pretty good job for Minnesota. He took over a team that was terrible and built them into an above average franchise. I don't think he was a failure at all.Tom Coughlin (Boston College), although not a great coach, is able to have moderate success in the NFL. He's just too much of a hard-### to be great.The first three above won championships and the last three weren't failures.NYGus said:Has there been a college head coach in recent memory that has gone on to be succesful in the NFL??Seems like most of the NFL coaches that win are NFL homegrowns and any college expperience seems to be at the assistant or coordinator level.Here are just a few off the top of my head:Belichick-never a college head coach 3 championshipsParcells-Air Force head coach one year 2 championshipsGibbs-never college head coach 3 championshipsCowher-never a college head coach 1 championshipconversleyDenny Green- head coach at Wichita State and StanfordSteve Spurrier-head coach Florida and SCNick Saben-head coach LSUButch Davis-head coach MiamiAll of those coaches suck or have sucked at the NFL level. I guess an argument can me made for some names I've omitted like Bill Walsh but it sure doesn't seem like many can hack the NFL after being a prominent college head coach.
The Goat
Footballguy
:BigRedX:Give the man some time.NYGus said:Has there been a college head coach in recent memory that has gone on to be succesful in the NFL??Seems like most of the NFL coaches that win are NFL homegrowns and any college expperience seems to be at the assistant or coordinator level.Here are just a few off the top of my head:Belichick-never a college head coach 3 championshipsParcells-Air Force head coach one year 2 championshipsGibbs-never college head coach 3 championshipsCowher-never a college head coach 1 championshipconversleyDenny Green- head coach at Wichita State and StanfordSteve Spurrier-head coach Florida and SCNick Saben-head coach LSUButch Davis-head coach MiamiAll of those coaches suck or have sucked at the NFL level. I guess an argument can me made for some names I've omitted like Bill Walsh but it sure doesn't seem like many can hack the NFL after being a prominent college head coach.
FairWarning
Footballguy
The right man for the Spartan job is Brian Kelly, Central Michigan coach, I would love to see them get Mooch.
Saban would not get fired from Miami, he could quit after this season however. Would not surprise me if he is listening to offers now. That is how he did it everywhere else.
Saban would not get fired from Miami, he could quit after this season however. Would not surprise me if he is listening to offers now. That is how he did it everywhere else.
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