Saints at Bills yesterday (1 Viewer)

[Parmcat]

Was at the Saints/Bills game yesterday.

Here are some observations that I made while watching the game:

1: Jauron might be the worst clock manager I have even seen. That time he wasted at the end of the 1st half was painful to watch. His not going for a 4th and 1 with 7 minutes to go in the game, and down by 2 scores was even more painful.

2: T.O was blanketed most of the day. Taken right out of the game

3: Even if T.O. could have got open, Edwards does not have the arm to through downfield. I dont know the stats, but I don't think he completed a pass over 12 yards all day. He tried 2 deep balls to T.O. One was underthrown, and was was way overthrown with the wind behind him.

4: Pierre Thomas looked STRONG

5: Brian Moorman has a very very strong leg

6: Bush seemed to hit the holes well when they were there. He really needs to try to make the one cut and go, instead of dancing behind the line.

7: WTF was Jauron thinking having Fred Jackson in the game with a minute to go, and down by 20? Also Edwards, and teh rest of the starters? Freddie looked like he go hurt on his last run of the game, and limped very gingerly off the field. I have not looked at the injury thread, but he did look like he was hurting.

8: Went for dinner at T.G.I. Fridays after the games, and it is a Bills hangout postgame. Got to talk with Josh Reed (very cool guy....the ladies seem to like him) and Ashton Yobouty....again, very cool.

Just a few things I noticed from being there....

Parm

 

[Steve Tasker]

2: T.O was blanketed most of the day. Taken right out of the game

Maybe people will listen to me now that you've said the same thing. I watched him over and over and over again...very, very rarely was he open.

 

[Parmcat]

2: T.O was blanketed most of the day. Taken right out of the game

Maybe people will listen to me now that you've said the same thing. I watched him over and over and over again...very, very rarely was he open.

I watched him a lot through the game...Not only was he covered very well, he took a lot of plays off.

 

[MacGruber]

4: Pierre Thomas looked STRONG

Can you expand on this a little? What exactly did you see from him (outside of his gaudy numbers) that other backs on either team didn't possess?

 

[Steve Tasker]

I watched him a lot through the game...Not only was he covered very well, he took a lot of plays off.

Here's some of my posts from other threads:

It's hard to utilize a guy who gets open 1 out of every 10 pass plays, IMO

I guess Lee Evans never manages to get open either?

I assume you were in the stands watching Owens all game too?

Pretty well put.Quite frankly, when he gives 100%, he's still got it, no question.The problem is that he gets more frustrated with every play, and his interest seems to wane.

Would you agree?

 

[Steve Tasker]

Or this post...

I'm almost done with Terrell Owens. With him chewing out assistant OC Eric Studesville on the sideline and giving up on the routes when he wasn't the primary target, etc....he needs to stop being a #####. Flat out. ####### man up. You think Evans is pissed? Of course he is. Is he out there #####ing and throwing temper tantrums when he's not thrown the ball? I don't think so.I watched Owens exclusively for a good deal of the game. When he's not the primary receiver, he barely even runs his routes. By the 4th quarter, it was so evident when the ball was coming his way because he'd actually run a route. I remember distinctly a Bills playaction. It was clear Owens wasn't the primary target....he just put his head down and jogged downfield listlessly. Well, Edwards was forced out of the pocket to his side, and Owens would've been wide the #### open had he turned around. Edwards held it, waiting for Owens to break it back towards the QB. He never did, and Edwards threw an incompletion to a covered Derek Fine.Give the Saints some credit though, they took Evans and TO (especially TO) out of the game. Even when they played Greer and Porter 5-8 yards off the line, they played a LB in the flats, essentially doubling the two of them.

 

[Parmcat]

Or this post...

I'm almost done with Terrell Owens. With him chewing out assistant OC Eric Studesville on the sideline and giving up on the routes when he wasn't the primary target, etc....he needs to stop being a #####. Flat out. ####### man up. You think Evans is pissed? Of course he is. Is he out there #####ing and throwing temper tantrums when he's not thrown the ball? I don't think so.I watched Owens exclusively for a good deal of the game. When he's not the primary receiver, he barely even runs his routes. By the 4th quarter, it was so evident when the ball was coming his way because he'd actually run a route. I remember distinctly a Bills playaction. It was clear Owens wasn't the primary target....he just put his head down and jogged downfield listlessly. Well, Edwards was forced out of the pocket to his side, and Owens would've been wide the #### open had he turned around. Edwards held it, waiting for Owens to break it back towards the QB. He never did, and Edwards threw an incompletion to a covered Derek Fine.Give the Saints some credit though, they took Evans and TO (especially TO) out of the game. Even when they played Greer and Porter 5-8 yards off the line, they played a LB in the flats, essentially doubling the two of them.

I do agree....

 

[Parmcat]

4: Pierre Thomas looked STRONG

Can you expand on this a little? What exactly did you see from him (outside of his gaudy numbers) that other backs on either team didn't possess?

He ran north and sounth, and hit the holes hard. He finished off a lot of runs initiating contact. Bush danced a lot behind the line. The Saints other back that scored the TD (forget the name) ran very hard early in the game also.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

8: Went for dinner at T.G.I. Fridays after the games, and it is a Bills hangout postgame. Got to talk with Josh Reed (very cool guy....the ladies seem to like him) and Ashton Yobouty....again, very cool.

Always cool to meet players -- thanks for sharing, that's awesome. But the comment brought two thoughts to my mind:1) Don't the Bills have a cooler place to hang out than the local Orchard Park TGI Fridays? 2) Would think they wouldn't be hanging out and chatting it up with the locals after getting pummelled by the Saints and losing two starters in the process. Would think they would go home to study tape and lick their wounds, instead of going to TGI Friday's to study the local Jills and lick Jack Daniel's BBQ sauce off their fingers.Just saying.

 

[Steve Tasker]

8: Went for dinner at T.G.I. Fridays after the games, and it is a Bills hangout postgame. Got to talk with Josh Reed (very cool guy....the ladies seem to like him) and Ashton Yobouty....again, very cool.

Always cool to meet players -- thanks for sharing, that's awesome. But the comment brought two thoughts to my mind:1) Don't the Bills have a cooler place to hang out than the local Orchard Park TGI Fridays? 2) Would think they wouldn't be hanging out and chatting it up with the locals after getting pummelled by the Saints and losing two starters in the process. Would think they would go home to study tape and lick their wounds, instead of going to TGI Friday's to study the local Jills and lick Jack Daniel's BBQ sauce off their fingers.Just saying.

I sat next to Poz, Maybin, Kelsay, an unidentified "nobody" Bills player, and 2 women last Monday at a pretty expensive steakhouse.They were having a special, one week only $20/meal menu

 

[Gottabesweet]

Agree with everything but Trent overthrowning Owens. With 12mph winds it was kind of hard. Did you see Brees over throw his wide open WR's with the wind against him and to his back?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

why would a professional athlete choose to eat at TGIFridays? oof.

 

[duaneok66]

4: Pierre Thomas looked STRONG

Can you expand on this a little? What exactly did you see from him (outside of his gaudy numbers) that other backs on either team didn't possess?

He ran north and sounth, and hit the holes hard. He finished off a lot of runs initiating contact. Bush danced a lot behind the line. The Saints other back that scored the TD (forget the name) ran very hard early in the game also.

Bush is the same RB he was when he entered the league . . . he dances and wants to go outside. Why? Because he rarely breaks tackles - we all know it , NO knows it, and so do opponents . . . that's why it's nauseating to listen to the announcers who NEVER make that point . . .

 

[Parmcat]

Agree with everything but Trent overthrowning Owens. With 12mph winds it was kind of hard. Did you see Brees over throw his wide open WR's with the wind against him and to his back?

Yes he did

 

[duaneok66]

Agree with everything but Trent overthrowning Owens. With 12mph winds it was kind of hard. Did you see Brees over throw his wide open WR's with the wind against him and to his back?

guess the wind was a factor after all - wonder if anyone actually benched Brees after listening to the forecast ???

 

[Ever Present Lurker]

I was there as well, right behind the Saints bench.

TO was embarassing.

When Edwards overthrew TO on the long ball, that was actually INTO the wind, not with it at his back.

Terrel was blanketed, no doubt. But his effort was shameful. No effort with blocking, not helping up teammates, not running hard. His body language indicated he wasn't happy. He stopped going to the huddle (they weren't in no-huddle, either). It really was classic TO. And I've been a supporter since he got to Buffalo. But he took the game off.

 

[Parmcat]

8: Went for dinner at T.G.I. Fridays after the games, and it is a Bills hangout postgame. Got to talk with Josh Reed (very cool guy....the ladies seem to like him) and Ashton Yobouty....again, very cool.

Always cool to meet players -- thanks for sharing, that's awesome. But the comment brought two thoughts to my mind:1) Don't the Bills have a cooler place to hang out than the local Orchard Park TGI Fridays? 2) Would think they wouldn't be hanging out and chatting it up with the locals after getting pummelled by the Saints and losing two starters in the process. Would think they would go home to study tape and lick their wounds, instead of going to TGI Friday's to study the local Jills and lick Jack Daniel's BBQ sauce off their fingers.Just saying.

This is the second time in 2 years we have gone there, and some Bills were there. The waitress told us the Reed knows the owner, so he is there a fair bit. There were a bunch of others we didn;t know who they were. The waitress also told us that last week, T.O.s assistants from his show came in to pick up an order for him after then game. (never even heard of this show) She said the bill was 109.00 and they paid with his AMEX Black card, and they gave her 11.00 tip.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

8: Went for dinner at T.G.I. Fridays after the games, and it is a Bills hangout postgame. Got to talk with Josh Reed (very cool guy....the ladies seem to like him) and Ashton Yobouty....again, very cool.

Always cool to meet players -- thanks for sharing, that's awesome. But the comment brought two thoughts to my mind:1) Don't the Bills have a cooler place to hang out than the local Orchard Park TGI Fridays? 2) Would think they wouldn't be hanging out and chatting it up with the locals after getting pummelled by the Saints and losing two starters in the process. Would think they would go home to study tape and lick their wounds, instead of going to TGI Friday's to study the local Jills and lick Jack Daniel's BBQ sauce off their fingers.Just saying.

This is the second time in 2 years we have gone there, and some Bills were there. The waitress told us the Reed knows the owner, so he is there a fair bit. There were a bunch of others we didn;t know who they were. The waitress also told us that last week, T.O.s assistants from his show came in to pick up an order for him after then game. (never even heard of this show) She said the bill was 109.00 and they paid with his AMEX Black card, and they gave her 11.00 tip.

Tipping for take-out.

 

[Aerial Assault]

2: T.O was blanketed most of the day. Taken right out of the game

Maybe people will listen to me now that you've said the same thing. I watched him over and over and over again...very, very rarely was he open.

No one's disagreeing with that, really - - the issue is that you seem to think it's his fault. I suspect he was a decoy on 90% of those plays, and therefore he didn't get open. What's intriguing about this is that TO can also be used as a possession receiver - - this is a guy who is not afraid to go over the middle. But there's none of that in Van Pelt's playbook either.

 

[Parmcat]

I was there as well, right behind the Saints bench.TO was embarassing. When Edwards overthrew TO on the long ball, that was actually INTO the wind, not with it at his back.Terrel was blanketed, no doubt. But his effort was shameful. No effort with blocking, not helping up teammates, not running hard. His body language indicated he wasn't happy. He stopped going to the huddle (they weren't in no-huddle, either). It really was classic TO. And I've been a supporter since he got to Buffalo. But he took the game off.

I forgot about this....yes....often seen walking back to the huddle, and then right to his position....not in the huddle.This will not end well in Buff.

 

[Parmcat]

2: T.O was blanketed most of the day. Taken right out of the game

Maybe people will listen to me now that you've said the same thing. I watched him over and over and over again...very, very rarely was he open.

No one's disagreeing with that, really - - the issue is that you seem to think it's his fault. I suspect he was a decoy on 90% of those plays, and therefore he didn't get open. What's intriguing about this is that TO can also be used as a possession receiver - - this is a guy who is not afraid to go over the middle. But there's none of that in Van Pelt's playbook either.

That was Josh Reed yesterday.

 

[Aerial Assault]

why would a professional athlete choose to eat at TGIFridays? oof.

Because the food is decent and atmosphere is pretty fun . . . ? Not every branch of a chain restaurant is evil. What is this, the FFA?

 

[duaneok66]

I was there as well, right behind the Saints bench.TO was embarassing. When Edwards overthrew TO on the long ball, that was actually INTO the wind, not with it at his back.Terrel was blanketed, no doubt. But his effort was shameful. No effort with blocking, not helping up teammates, not running hard. His body language indicated he wasn't happy. He stopped going to the huddle (they weren't in no-huddle, either). It really was classic TO. And I've been a supporter since he got to Buffalo. But he took the game off.

serious question - why did you support TO when he was acquired??Your "classic TO" statement indicates you knew what he was about . . .nothing has changed . . . or where you seriously expecting him to be different???

 

[Ministry of Pain]

great post, great thread, ty Parm

 

[Breesisdaman]

As a Bills fan you are accustomed to some pretty good defensive outings. What was your impression of the Saints defensive unit. Will this unit be enough to take the Saints to the next level ie Superbowl?

 

[War Eagle]

When you go out and get a WR like TO, you have to find ways to get him the ball. Put him in motion, do something!

The Bills have shown a lack of creativity on the offensive side of the ball. The play calling is boring. Edwards can not complete long passes.

JP Losman used to come in and throw 80 yard bombs to Evans constantly.

TO is TO. If you thought he would be happy getting 3 targets a game, then you are the one who isn't being realistic. I mean come on, why did they go get him, why was everybody excited in Buffalo? FEED TO the ball and good things will happen down the field.

This team has a great 1,2 punch at WR and has shown an inability to get them the ball. Edwards needs to turn it lose.

Also, don't discount the fact that TO did not play in the preseason.

 

[duaneok66]

great post, great thread, ty Parm

agreed . . .this is the stuff I like to read . . . You don't get this inside info by watching and listening on TV . . . all I get isTOthrown to 4 catches 0 yards 0thanks again . . .

 

[War Eagle]

I was there as well, right behind the Saints bench.TO was embarassing. When Edwards overthrew TO on the long ball, that was actually INTO the wind, not with it at his back.Terrel was blanketed, no doubt. But his effort was shameful. No effort with blocking, not helping up teammates, not running hard. His body language indicated he wasn't happy. He stopped going to the huddle (they weren't in no-huddle, either). It really was classic TO. And I've been a supporter since he got to Buffalo. But he took the game off.

serious question - why did you support TO when he was acquired??Your "classic TO" statement indicates you knew what he was about . . .nothing has changed . . . or where you seriously expecting him to be different???

Exactly. And the guy obviously still has skills. Get him the ball. You can't use a guy like TO as a decoy. Hey TO, run wind sprints all day, thanks!

 

[War Eagle]

This just in....

After Terrell Owens was held catch-less in Week 3, Bills coach **** Jauron promised to get the football to T.O. more in his Monday presser.

"We'll take more shots," Jauron said. "We definitely have to get him more involved in the game no matter what the defense does." Owens has just five catches for 98 yards and a touchdown in Buffalo's first three games.

 

[sparkky]

agreed, good discussion all involved. thanks much!

 

[Aerial Assault]

This just in....After Terrell Owens was held catch-less in Week 3, Bills coach **** Jauron promised to get the football to T.O. more in his Monday presser."We'll take more shots," Jauron said. "We definitely have to get him more involved in the game no matter what the defense does." Owens has just five catches for 98 yards and a touchdown in Buffalo's first three games.

Waiting for some sort of negative TO spin on this from the media . . . sounds like this was properly handled by everyone. Oh, except the media.

 

[War Eagle]

This just in....After Terrell Owens was held catch-less in Week 3, Bills coach **** Jauron promised to get the football to T.O. more in his Monday presser."We'll take more shots," Jauron said. "We definitely have to get him more involved in the game no matter what the defense does." Owens has just five catches for 98 yards and a touchdown in Buffalo's first three games.

Waiting for some sort of negative TO spin on this from the media . . . sounds like this was properly handled by everyone. Oh, except the media.

Yessir. They did everything they could to bait him, to lead him to say something and when he didn't, they made him out to be the bad guy anyway. I don't get it. Why so much venom for TO?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

why would a professional athlete choose to eat at TGIFridays? oof.

Because the food is decent and atmosphere is pretty fun?

 

[Steve Tasker]

I was there as well, right behind the Saints bench.TO was embarassing. When Edwards overthrew TO on the long ball, that was actually INTO the wind, not with it at his back.Terrel was blanketed, no doubt. But his effort was shameful. No effort with blocking, not helping up teammates, not running hard. His body language indicated he wasn't happy. He stopped going to the huddle (they weren't in no-huddle, either). It really was classic TO. And I've been a supporter since he got to Buffalo. But he took the game off.

Completely forgot about him not going into the huddle. That pissed me off too.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

why would a professional athlete choose to eat at TGIFridays? oof.

Likely the best place to eat in Buffalo

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

As a Bills fan you are accustomed to some pretty good defensive outings.

since when?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

why would a professional athlete choose to eat at TGIFridays? oof.

Likely the best place to eat in Buffalo

times 10000000

 

[Steve Tasker]

Was it the Friday's on Chippewa? They could have been just hanging out before going out for the night a bit later...

If it was on Transit or somewhere near the stadium, not so much...

 

[Steve Tasker]

2: T.O was blanketed most of the day. Taken right out of the game

Maybe people will listen to me now that you've said the same thing. I watched him over and over and over again...very, very rarely was he open.

No one's disagreeing with that, really - - the issue is that you seem to think it's his fault. I suspect he was a decoy on 90% of those plays, and therefore he didn't get open. What's intriguing about this is that TO can also be used as a possession receiver - - this is a guy who is not afraid to go over the middle. But there's none of that in Van Pelt's playbook either.

If you're a decoy, you still should run your routes. It's not fooling anyone when you're half-assing the route...everyone knows it's not going to come your way. If anything, veteran safeties like Darren Sharper and Roman Harper will recognize that and shift away from Owens, taking a different Bills WR out of the way.I don't think it's all Owens' fault. But all that stuff they say about Buffalo being a blue-collar town and not standing for primadonnas is completely true. If Owens was running his routes the best he could, and Edwards was constantly overthrowing him, it would be a completely different issue.In the past few years, Lee Evans has had a few moments where he's expressed his displeasure with the offense, quarterback play, whatever. But he's done it in a different way. He didn't throw his hands up or chew out the assistant OC after his third game on the team. He keeps running his routes, doing the best he can to help the team. It just pains us as Bills fans to see Owens doing the little things he's been doing just 3 weeks into the season.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

When you go out and get a WR like TO, you have to find ways to get him the ball. Put him in motion, do something!...This team has a great 1,2 punch at WR and has shown an inability to get them the ball. Edwards needs to turn it lose....

Maybe someone needs to start talking about this.I watched the whole game and it seemed like the Bills came out throwing to Reed. And then they were throwing to the 3rd string TE Fine, where did he come from? Maybe I read somewhere that he was supposed to be 1st string but got hurt, but, whatever, throwing to a guy like Fine the TE when you have Owens and Evans??? That's like leaving the Ferrari in the garage and taking the Gremlin instead.And why has Fred Jackson played such a prominent role in the passing game so far? It seems to me the Bills have been masking some serious offensive strategy issues the prior 2 weeks and it finally just caught up with them.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

This game snapped 22 straight 200 yard games by Drew Brees, and 11 in a row with a TD!

That means that is longer then the Lions losing streak

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

When you go out and get a WR like TO, you have to find ways to get him the ball. Put him in motion, do something!The Bills have shown a lack of creativity on the offensive side of the ball. The play calling is boring. Edwards can not complete long passes.JP Losman used to come in and throw 80 yard bombs to Evans constantly. TO is TO. If you thought he would be happy getting 3 targets a game, then you are the one who isn't being realistic. I mean come on, why did they go get him, why was everybody excited in Buffalo? FEED TO the ball and good things will happen down the field.This team has a great 1,2 punch at WR and has shown an inability to get them the ball. Edwards needs to turn it lose.Also, don't discount the fact that TO did not play in the preseason.

Best I've read in a while...I'm still too disgusted in **** and Trent to offer up much more.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

Was at the Saints/Bills game yesterday.

Here are some observations that I made while watching the game:

1: Jauron might be the worst clock manager I have even seen. That time he wasted at the end of the 1st half was painful to watch. His not going for a 4th and 1 with 7 minutes to go in the game, and down by 2 scores was even more painful.

He's no worse than Marvin Lewis, Brad Childress and that group; but yah he's in that category of gutless losers who will never amount to anything absent ungodly talent across the board. The local radio show hit the nail on the head. The only reason to punt there is with the goal to lose 17-7 or 17-14 so that ESPN and people who didn't watch the game can blame TO (if they're not already) and talk about how good of a defensive plan you put together against a prolific offense (kind of fitting that NO piled on 10 more points anyway). That Bellichick is the complete opposite makes me puke. Get this pathetic clown out of here already.

 

[Steve Tasker]

When you go out and get a WR like TO, you have to find ways to get him the ball. Put him in motion, do something!...This team has a great 1,2 punch at WR and has shown an inability to get them the ball. Edwards needs to turn it lose....

Maybe someone needs to start talking about this.I watched the whole game and it seemed like the Bills came out throwing to Reed. And then they were throwing to the 3rd string TE Fine, where did he come from? Maybe I read somewhere that he was supposed to be 1st string but got hurt, but, whatever, throwing to a guy like Fine the TE when you have Owens and Evans??? That's like leaving the Ferrari in the garage and taking the Gremlin instead.And why has Fred Jackson played such a prominent role in the passing game so far? It seems to me the Bills have been masking some serious offensive strategy issues the prior 2 weeks and it finally just caught up with them.

I'll say it again, defenses are selling out to take Evans and Owens out of the game. That's why Derek Fine, Derek Schouman, Fred Jackson, and Josh Reed have had such a big role in the passing game....partially because Edwards isn't that good, but partially because Evans and Owens just aren't that open.I agree that the Bills should gameplan better to get the ball to those two, but through three games, the Bills are taking whatever the defense gives them...which is running Fred Jackson, and short passes.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

why would a professional athlete choose to eat at TGIFridays? oof.

Likely the best place to eat in Buffalo

times 10000000

:( Miami-Buffalo week, let the festivities begin.

 

[zoonation]

The Bills have the worst head coach in every game they play.

Down two scores with under 7 minutes to go...4th and 1 at midfield. Punt...to the best offense in football. Game over.

 

[Steve Tasker]

The Bills have the worst head coach in every game they play. Down two scores with under 7 minutes to go...4th and 1 at midfield. Punt...to the best offense in football. Game over.

In Jauron's defense, the Bills were at their own 28, not midfield.FWIW, I still booed the decision.

 

[JP]

why would a professional athlete choose to eat at TGIFridays? oof.

Likely the best place to eat in Buffalo

lol. nice.

 

[JP]

Signing TO seems like a bit of a desparation move by the Bills. Even though TO is serving as a great decoy to opening things up running and short passing Edwards isn't the guy to get him the ball on a consistent basis. And if TO doesn't get the ball on a consistent basis he is going to explode, and sooner rather than later. Gamble is going to backfire and Jauron will get the axe.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Signing TO seems like a bit of a desparation move by the Bills. Even though TO is serving as a great decoy to opening things up running and short passing Edwards isn't the guy to get him the ball on a consistent basis. And if TO doesn't get the ball on a consistent basis he is going to explode, and sooner rather than later. Gamble is going to backfire and Jauron will get the axe.

I have a feeling that the TO signing wasn't a Jauron move....he's not a #### Jauron type of player...