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Saints come marching home

Bennett adds speed to backfield

By LES EAST

Special to The Advocate

Published: Apr 8, 2006

(AP) photo by ALEX BRANDON

The New Orleans Saints huddle after their first day of minicamp Friday at their practice facility in Metairie. Nearly 400 fans attended practice.

METAIRIE — Saints running backs Deuce McAllister and Michael Bennett have a lot in common, but running style isn’t one of them.

Both players were considered steals when they were drafted late in the first round of the 2001 draft by teams that already had good running backs; the Saints took McAllister with the 23rd pick to back up Ricky Williams and the Vikings took Bennett with the 27th pick to back up Robert Smith, who abruptly retired.

Both had limited roles as rookies, then had Pro Bowl seasons in 2002: McAllister gained 1,388 yards after Williams was traded to Miami and Bennett had 1,296.

Both have had to deal with injuries since, especially Bennett, who has missed 16 games because of injuries and averaged about 400 rushing yards during his final three seasons in Minnesota. McAllister had a career-high 1,641 yards in 2003 and 1,074 the next season before suffering a season-ending knee injury in the fifth game last season.

Now that Bennett has signed with New Orleans as a free agent, the Saints have both thunder in McAllister, 6-foot-1, 232 pounds, and lightning in Bennett, 5-9, 209, who is one of the fastest running backs in the NFL.

Throw in Aaron Stecker, who’s been a productive third-down back, receiving back and kick returner for six seasons, and the Saints have depth and a variety of skills in their running backs.

Since McAllister became the starter, the Saints have had Curtis Keaton, Lamar Smith, Ki-Jana Carter, Antowain Smith and Stecker as backups, but Bennett gives them a dimension that the others didn’t.

“He brings a change of pace for us and a guy that when you watch him on film is explosive,” coach Sean Payton said, “so we’re excited when we were able to sign him. I think he gives us a little change of pace to a game where speed is still important.

“I think he’ll complement certainly some of the strengths that Deuce has and I think there’s a fit there. We still have Stecker, who really watching on tape did some exciting things, so these guys are all competing for touches. They understand that and he gives us depth at that position, which I think is important.”

Bennett has proven he can be a Pro Bowl running back, but he chose to sign with a team for whom he will be a backup if McAllister is 100 percent by the season opener as he has pledged to be.

“I look at it this way,” Bennett said, “I’ve been there and done that. I’ve been to a Pro Bowl. I know how it is. I’ve had my thousand-yard season, I’ve had my injuries, I’ve had ups and downs. To come in with a guy like Deuce and to play behind him and also Aaron Stecker — you can’t weed him out because he’s another great talent — I’ve got my work cut out for me.

“My thing is just to go in and prove to the coaches that I’m worth having here and establish my role and get in when my number’s called. If it’s early that’s fine, if it’s late that’s fine. I just want to do the best I can to be a team player and also be a winner.”

With McAllister sidelined for most of last season, New Orleans ranked 18th in the NFL in rushing offense. He gained 335 yards before being injured, Smith, who is an unrestricted free agent, led the team with 659, and Stecker had 363.

“I think with the combination of Deuce, myself and Aaron, I think we can get the job done in the backfield,” Bennett said. “It’s also going to take some wear and tear off of Deuce. He takes a pounding throughout the season and I know he’s a great back.

“Everybody needs a break. The thing is we’re not immortal. We all have our injuries and our ups and downs, but I think with the change of pace that Aaron and I bring it can really solidify our backfield.”

McAllister is still limited as he rehabs from surgery, but he expects to be full speed by the start of training camp in late July.

“When I have to make some cuts and plant my foot in training camp, I’m going to have to see how I’m able to bounce up,” McAllister said. “That’s something I’m going to have to deal with. It’s part of the hurdle (of coming back from surgery).”

He said he welcomed the addition of Bennett.

“He’s an explosive guy and he gives us another dimension,” McAllister said. “One thing I know is I don’t want to race him.”

Notes

Payton said Jammal Brown, who played right offensive tackle as a rookie last season, has been permanently moved to left tackle, regardless of what the team does in the draft. Virginia tackle D’Brickashaw Ferguson is one of the players the Saints likely will consider selecting with their first-round pick. … Jon Stinchomb, who missed all of last season because of knee surgery, is the No. 1 right tackle. … Payton said DE Will Smith is being held out of the minicamp because he recently underwent shoulder surgery. … The Saints shuffled their starting linebackers, moving Colby Bockwoldt from weakside to middle and using free-agent signees Scott Fujita and Anthony Simmons at weakside and strongside, respectively. … QB Drew Brees said he’ll start throwing in a couple of weeks. He had shoulder surgery in January. … Payton said the team overall is “not in real good shape right now. A lot of these heavy guys have to get up to speed quickly,” he said. … The Saints will practice twice today. The 10:40 a.m. workout is open to the public. Gates open at 10.

 
I would guess they aren't sure yet where any linebacker will play, and they will be searching for the best starting lineup possible through camps and preseason. I cut Bockwoldt last season :wall: , but picked up Fujita after Dallas got him. Still have him. If he starts at weakside, he would be a decent fantasy starter.

 
FYI, today the Advocate is clarifying the above to say that they haven't set positions yet.

The Saints brought in linebackers Scott Fujita, who played with the Cowboys under Gibbs, and Anthony Simmons as free agents. They are playing all the linebackers at all three positions, looking for the best combination.
 
Any new news?
Yes and no.This thread is old. You could search for a the one with newer notes. Essentially, nothing is for certain, but currently it appears....

WLB Fujita

MLB Fincher

SLB Simmons

Eagerly awaiting camp: Bockwoldt and Polley

 
Any new news?
Yes and no.This thread is old. You could search for a the one with newer notes. Essentially, nothing is for certain, but currently it appears....

WLB Fujita

MLB Fincher

SLB Simmons

Eagerly awaiting camp: Bockwoldt and Polley
Everyone on SaintsReport.com would say flip Fujita and Simmons ...
 
Any new news?
Yes and no.This thread is old. You could search for a the one with newer notes. Essentially, nothing is for certain, but currently it appears....

WLB Fujita

MLB Fincher

SLB Simmons

Eagerly awaiting camp: Bockwoldt and Polley
Everyone on SaintsReport.com would say flip Fujita and Simmons ...
Really?Any official confirmation, or eyes-on minicamp reports to back that up? Or just the fact that Simmons is lighter and faster and theoretically "better suited" to the Will?

 
Any new news?
Yes and no.This thread is old. You could search for a the one with newer notes. Essentially, nothing is for certain, but currently it appears....

WLB Fujita

MLB Fincher

SLB Simmons

Eagerly awaiting camp: Bockwoldt and Polley
Everyone on SaintsReport.com would say flip Fujita and Simmons ...
Really?Any official confirmation, or eyes-on minicamp reports to back that up? Or just the fact that Simmons is lighter and faster and theoretically "better suited" to the Will?
Just what all the guys who follow the Saints day in out seem to think (based on, I think, that Fujita was a SLB for KC and Simmons is lighter and faster as you said) ...The Fujita at Will/Simmons at SLB stuff was a brief blurb based on a few minicamp practices ... let me see if I can get you something more concrete ...

 
Any new news?
Yes and no.This thread is old. You could search for a the one with newer notes. Essentially, nothing is for certain, but currently it appears....

WLB Fujita

MLB Fincher

SLB Simmons

Eagerly awaiting camp: Bockwoldt and Polley
Everyone on SaintsReport.com would say flip Fujita and Simmons ...
Really?Any official confirmation, or eyes-on minicamp reports to back that up? Or just the fact that Simmons is lighter and faster and theoretically "better suited" to the Will?
Just what all the guys who follow the Saints day in out seem to think (based on, I think, that Fujita was a SLB for KC and Simmons is lighter and faster as you said) ...The Fujita at Will/Simmons at SLB stuff was a brief blurb based on a few minicamp practices ... let me see if I can get you something more concrete ...
Yeah, I'm just going on those semi-official mini-camp blurbs.I didn't notice anything in my earlier research, but now I see a couple threads in those insider forums saying Simmons could be the Will, but no hard evidence yet. Thanks for looking.

 
Any new news?
Yes and no.This thread is old. You could search for a the one with newer notes. Essentially, nothing is for certain, but currently it appears....

WLB Fujita

MLB Fincher

SLB Simmons

Eagerly awaiting camp: Bockwoldt and Polley
Everyone on SaintsReport.com would say flip Fujita and Simmons ...
Really?Any official confirmation, or eyes-on minicamp reports to back that up? Or just the fact that Simmons is lighter and faster and theoretically "better suited" to the Will?
Just what all the guys who follow the Saints day in out seem to think (based on, I think, that Fujita was a SLB for KC and Simmons is lighter and faster as you said) ...The Fujita at Will/Simmons at SLB stuff was a brief blurb based on a few minicamp practices ... let me see if I can get you something more concrete ...
The DiscussionsI cant find offical confirmation, just scuttlebutt ..

 
Any new news?
Yes and no.This thread is old. You could search for a the one with newer notes. Essentially, nothing is for certain, but currently it appears....

WLB Fujita

MLB Fincher

SLB Simmons

Eagerly awaiting camp: Bockwoldt and Polley
Everyone on SaintsReport.com would say flip Fujita and Simmons ...
Really?Any official confirmation, or eyes-on minicamp reports to back that up? Or just the fact that Simmons is lighter and faster and theoretically "better suited" to the Will?
Just what all the guys who follow the Saints day in out seem to think (based on, I think, that Fujita was a SLB for KC and Simmons is lighter and faster as you said) ...The Fujita at Will/Simmons at SLB stuff was a brief blurb based on a few minicamp practices ... let me see if I can get you something more concrete ...
The DiscussionsI cant find offical confirmation, just scuttlebutt ..
Try this too ...More From NOLA

 
I though Bockwoldt was their best LB last year?
Probably true. That's not saying much, however. :X New coaches, new scheme, different fits, too. Certainly wouldn't be a shock if he lines up as a starter on opening weekend, though.

 
Most recent USA Today Saints team report showing a projected depth chart. Again, notes that a lot of mixing and matching occurred during mini-camps but lists Fujita weak and Simmons strong.

LINEBACKERS: Starters — WLB Scott Fujita, MLB Alfred Fincher, SLB Anthony Simmons. Backups — Colby Bockwoldt, Tommy Polley, Jay Foreman, Terrence Melton, Russel Rabe, E.J. Kuale, Bobby Iwuchukwu.

One of the weakest areas of the team when Payton and defensive coordinator Gary Gibbs arrived, those two have worked hard to add quality starters and some depth to the position. Fujita and Simmons should help a lot, while Fincher, a third-round draft pick in 2005, showed signs that he may be ready to emerge as a starter late in the team's off-season workouts. Bockwoldt played well as a starter for the last 1 1/2 years, but Fincher will probably get an opportunity to take his starting job away after the coaching staff mixed and matched the linebackers during spring ball to get a better idea of who fit in at each position. Like Fujita and Simmons, Polley and Foreman bring lots of NFL experience to the table.
 
Seems like Fincher has a lot more value right now than Bockwoldt. Not so much because he's projected to start in the middle as of right now but because he's an unknown. Bockwoldt started last year at WLB and was a fantasy nonfactor. He's OK as far as tackles but he has no big play ability whatsoever. He'll get you virtually nothing in terms of sacks, INTs, fumbles, pass defenses etc.

 
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Fincher should win the starting MLB job. Can and should eventually be a 3 down backer. Outside of this forum, not many people know of Alfred Fincher, but should by seasons end. :popcorn:

 
Saints | Bockwoldt working with third-team defense

Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:47:14 -0700

Mike Triplett, of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, reports New Orleans Saints LB Colby Bockwoldt, a fixture in the Saints' starting lineup during the past two seasons, has been working with the third string throughout training camp.

:o

 
Saints | Bockwoldt working with third-team defense

Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:47:14 -0700

Mike Triplett, of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, reports New Orleans Saints LB Colby Bockwoldt, a fixture in the Saints' starting lineup during the past two seasons, has been working with the third string throughout training camp.

:o
Heh. That's pretty interesting. If this holds, there's really no competition in the middle for Fincher. Go get him.Also, for those who may have missed the Saints post that will quickly become buried in the training camp notes thread, Anthony Simmons has not been at camp yet. It was unexpected and unexcused. It has since been reported that Simmons is in a custody battle with his wife, but there are obviously concerns that he may not be interested in playing after all. He's currently on the reserve-did not report list.

 
jay foreman's name was thrown out as possible in the middle, & though he had some good years in HOU at ILB with jamie sharper, i think he may have been out of football last year (like simmons)... it looks good for fincher, & unless he plays his way out of the role, he seems to have the inside track to the MLB gig...

 
Given the problems with Thurman, I really, really, REALLY, need Fincher to come through.

He is a solid buy low right now.

 
jay foreman's name was thrown out as possible in the middle, & though he had some good years in HOU at ILB with jamie sharper, i think he may have been out of football last year (like simmons)... it looks good for fincher, & unless he plays his way out of the role, he seems to have the inside track to the MLB gig...
Foreman is the second stringer in that article, but bwahahahaha. ;)

 
Fincher should win the starting MLB job. Can and should eventually be a 3 down backer. Outside of this forum, not many people know of Alfred Fincher, but should by seasons end. :popcorn:
I just picked him up off waivers in my dynasty league. Just in case.
 
http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ssf?/...ll=1&thispage=2

Anthony Simmons news

SIMMONS STILL AWOL: It's beginning to look like Simmons might not come back. The veteran linebacker has been dealing with a personal issue and has given no indication he plans to return anytime soon.

Simmons has been in contact with his position coach but has not spoken to Saints management or Payton. Neither Simmons nor his agent could be reached for comment.

Payton and General Manager Mickey Loomis said the Saints are moving on without him for now, and Loomis said the team has discussed the possibility that he won't come back.

Simmons has been placed on the reserve/did not report list. If he does return, Loomis said there would be a process involved to reactivate him. Simmons has not been fined yet, but he is subject to be fined.

The Saints signed Simmons to a one-year deal in free agency, with a scheduled salary of $1.5 million and an undisclosed signing bonus. Simmons, 30, sat out all of last season, to heal a wrist injury and to assess his desire to keep playing football.

"I'd say the last two or three years, it wasn't exactly a great time for me," Simmons said last month, discussing his time with the Seattle Seahawks. "It was definitely business, without a whole lot of fun in there. So during my year off, the only thing I thought about associated with football was, 'Should I retire or will I go back?'

"To be honest with you, I totally removed myself from football so I could focus on family and just relaxing and kind of getting my mind together and my body together."

The Saints had been encouraged by Simmons' enthusiasm and work ethic, before they signed him and throughout the offseason. They learned a few days before training camp that he was not planning to report.

 
http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ssf?/...ll=1&thispage=2

They learned a few days before training camp that he was not planning to report.
Thanks for the official confirmation.This last sentence is interesting though. Payton certainly didn't sound like he was aware a few days before camp that Simmons wasn't reporting during his post-practice news conferences. And they waited 72 hours to put him on the reserve list. In any event, missing the first week of camp is not the way to earn a starting gig, especially when you haven't played in nearly two years.

It'll be hard to hold a roster spot for Simmons much longer.

 
"To be honest with you, I totally removed myself from football so I could focus on family and just relaxing and kind of getting my mind together and my body together."

Sounds like he's either retired or on a long vacation. Sounds a lot like what Ricky did. :mellow:

 
"To be honest with you, I totally removed myself from football so I could focus on family and just relaxing and kind of getting my mind together and my body together."

Sounds like he's either retired or on a long vacation. Sounds a lot like what Ricky did. :mellow:
Figures ... this is the type of baggage you get with Simmons. Don't think Payton will put up with him long if he comes in anyway.
 
Assuming Simmons wants to play, he will have a starting job somewhere ...

Its just an issue of whether he wants to play ...

 
Assuming Simmons wants to play, he will have a starting job somewhere ...

Its just an issue of whether he wants to play ...
you could be right,but still, it might be partially contingent on timing & how soon he reports... if he rolls into camp day before it breaks, it might not be a given, & raises question whether they would even want him under those circumstances, or might just choose to move on without him...

if he is thinking about coming back, it might be advisable to make up his mind pretty soon...

 
Assuming Simmons wants to play, he will have a starting job somewhere ...

Its just an issue of whether he wants to play ...
I guess he hasn't had enough time to think it it over. Maybe he needs another 2 years. :confused:
 
How would you guys rate Fincher's talent level, floor, and cieling?
if he stays healthy & mans the middle, about top 20 is a possibility...as to his floor, that could mean getting beat out of the job... if you mean floor if he starts, i think he should still finish inside the top 40...
 
Seems like the floor for a 3-down MLB is Al Wilson (LB47). Upside with how little we know of Fincher is probably Lemar Marshall (LB18). A decent baseline might be Kawika Mitchell (LB30).

 
sleeper alert: Tommy Polley appears to be starting at WLB thanks to Anthony Simmons going AWOL. He also filled in capably at MLB for the Ravens last year, so he could be the fallback at MLB if Fincher doesn't work out.

 
Dangit, We had to declare keepers Monday and I cut him thinking he was a backup.

time to put him on my sleeper list...

 
from the Blogger

LB Bockwoldt Moving Back To Weakside

Les East, The Advocate - [Full Article]

New Orleans Saints linebacker Colby Bockwoldt has started the last 23 regular-season games at weakside linebacker. But during the offseason the new coaching staff tried each of the linebackers at all three positions in order to find the best fits. He finished the last mini-camp as the second-string middle linebacker. When training camp started he was third string and was tried at strong side. But as the Saints open the preseason Bockwoldt is again the starting weakside linebacker.

 
from the BloggerLB Bockwoldt Moving Back To WeaksideLes East, The Advocate - [Full Article]New Orleans Saints linebacker Colby Bockwoldt has started the last 23 regular-season games at weakside linebacker. But during the offseason the new coaching staff tried each of the linebackers at all three positions in order to find the best fits. He finished the last mini-camp as the second-string middle linebacker. When training camp started he was third string and was tried at strong side. But as the Saints open the preseason Bockwoldt is again the starting weakside linebacker.
After reading the article it is noteworthy that he is starting because the two listed in front of him were unable to play due to injury. It does appear though that they have settled on him to play WLB, it is just unknown (to me) if he will beat out Polley if and when he returns.Tom
 
Other thing to note freom the 1st pre-season game....

Withthe starters on the field

SLB - Fujita

MLB - Fincher

WLB - Bucky

Fujita was the LB in the nickel package.....

he might be the only 3-down LB on the team....

 
So is it official? Is Fincher the starting MLB and if so does it look like he will hold on to the job?

I took a flyer on him at the beginning of last year and put him on my practice squad. Just want to know if I should activate him. I'm thin at MLB.

 
I have him, too - and I have not heard that anyone else is starting or performing better than him, so for right now - he appears to be the guy. That said, there are 3 more preseason games to go, so proceed with caution.

 
I agree with dudaman, proceed with caution. IMO, he didn't look very impressive vs Tennessee, and he is not, from what I could see, in nickel packages. Bryan Scott looked to be playing LB in some packages.

I've been on the Fincher bandwagon, and after seeing him play last week, I don't like the ride as much. WTS, I'mt not ready to jump ... yet. Interested on some of the other posters take on this. Hopefully some will l chime in.

 
Rozelle said:
I agree with dudaman, proceed with caution. IMO, he didn't look very impressive vs Tennessee, and he is not, from what I could see, in nickel packages. Bryan Scott looked to be playing LB in some packages.

I've been on the Fincher bandwagon, and after seeing him play last week, I don't like the ride as much. WTS, I'mt not ready to jump ... yet. Interested on some of the other posters take on this. Hopefully some will l chime in.
I too own Fincher and expect two things from him this year.He will be the starter for no other reason than they have no one else

He will be a two down backer

Ceiling top 20

Basement top 48

Tom

 
Rozelle said:
I agree with dudaman, proceed with caution. IMO, he didn't look very impressive vs Tennessee, and he is not, from what I could see, in nickel packages. Bryan Scott looked to be playing LB in some packages.

I've been on the Fincher bandwagon, and after seeing him play last week, I don't like the ride as much. WTS, I'mt not ready to jump ... yet. Interested on some of the other posters take on this. Hopefully some will l chime in.
Unimpressive is an understatement. If the Saints don't pick up someone else to play MLB we may verly well see Jay Foreman playing the middle at the start of the season. Fincher is clearly not ready. It's only one preseason game, but if he wants the starting job he better improve real fast.
 
Could you guys flesh out the "unimpressive" scouting a bit?

Lost as in tentative, poor tackling, out of position? Or overly aggressive and out of position? Couldn't get off blocks? Or as you weren't even aware he was on the field? Who was making tackles instead?

Sounded hopeful when Fincher moved up to the first string in camp, but this guy sounds like the guy who couldn't beat out Ronald McKinnon last season for playing time.

 
Could you guys flesh out the "unimpressive" scouting a bit?Lost as in tentative, poor tackling, out of position? Or overly aggressive and out of position? Couldn't get off blocks? Or as you weren't even aware he was on the field? Who was making tackles instead?Sounded hopeful when Fincher moved up to the first string in camp, but this guy sounds like the guy who couldn't beat out Ronald McKinnon last season for playing time.
Most of the time he looked lost. When he didn't he was overaggressive, misread the play & over ran when he did he would get caught hitting the wrong gaps. For the most part he was a non-factor which is very bad for a MLB. Bockwoldt got most of the tackles at WLB for the time they played. Unfortunately that still doesn't help IDPers given that Bockwoldt likely won't start over Polley.
 
I will say that I still like Fincher down the road. He did have a lot of hustle & he does have the skills to be a good MLB, he just doesn't look like he's ready yet & could benefit from some mentoring.

 
Could you guys flesh out the "unimpressive" scouting a bit?

Lost as in tentative, poor tackling, out of position? Or overly aggressive and out of position? Couldn't get off blocks? Or as you weren't even aware he was on the field? Who was making tackles instead?

Sounded hopeful when Fincher moved up to the first string in camp, but this guy sounds like the guy who couldn't beat out Ronald McKinnon last season for playing time.
Most of the time he looked lost. When he didn't he was overaggressive, misread the play & over ran when he did he would get caught hitting the wrong gaps. For the most part he was a non-factor which is very bad for a MLB. Bockwoldt got most of the tackles at WLB for the time they played. Unfortunately that still doesn't help IDPers given that Bockwoldt likely won't start over Polley.
My take as well. Didn't look instinctive or quick to diagnose. But ... just the first pre season game.
 

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