Saints release Lance Moore...Sproles traded to Eagles (1 Viewer)

[Wingnut]

Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) tweeted at 3:57 PM on Thu, Mar 06, 2014:

Saints shopping RB Pierre Thomas and WR Lance Moore to other teams, per sources, and even could be open to trading RB Darren Sproles also.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1983967-nfl-trade-rumors-latest-buzz-on-darren-sproles-pierre-thomas-and-lance-moore

 

[KellysHeroes]

good luck boys

 

[massraider]

I wonder if they think Sproles lost his wheels.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I wonder if they think Sproles lost his wheels.

prob just get a cheap replacement in the draft

 

[LBH]

They want to get Khiry Robinson more involved this year

 

[GeeYouknit]

They want to get Khiry Robinson more involved this year

Or is the trust finally there with Ingram?

 

[menobrown]

They want to get Khiry Robinson more involved this year

Or is the trust finally there with Ingram?

I think both and in general I think they trust their ability to locate lower cost alternatives.

 

[Nero]

It really should say the Saints are about to cut Thomas, Moore and Sproles.

 

[False Start]

I love how speculation from reporters always get people excited. Last week DJax was about to get traded.

 

[Zigg]

I think the days of the Saints being an offensive juggernaut are about over.. The defense was dominant at the end of the season/playoffs, and the running game was extremely effective. I also wouldn't be surprised(but quite disappointed) if Graham was moved because his run blocking is weak. Great D, great run game, best game manager QB in history is a very strong recipe for wins.

A turnover at the skill positions is necessary and a year late. There simply is a void of talent at WR. Colston is a quality #2 at this point, and Stills is a field stretcher, but the rest are barely NFL talents right now. It's good to see the Saints aren't holding on to the past, and realize that PT, Moore and possibly Sproles don't offer enough anymore. I think now is a very good time to sell Brees as his perceived value is still high.

That said, I can't imagine they get anything in return for PT or Moore. I figure Sproles could fetch a late pick.

 

[buck naked]

I love how speculation from reporters always get people excited. Last week DJax was about to get traded.

I don't think all of this is speculation. I think Pierre Thomas will be cut. Saints will save 2.4 million when they cut him. Lance Moore has reached his productivity limit too, imo, so I won't be surprised when he is cut.

 

[Adam Harstad]

I wonder if they think Sproles lost his wheels.

Historically, receiving RBs haven't aged any more gracefully than rushing RBs.

 

[cstu]

I love how speculation from reporters always get people excited. Last week DJax was about to get traded.

I don't think all of this is speculation. I think Pierre Thomas will be cut. Saints will save 2.4 million when they cut him. Lance Moore has reached his productivity limit too, imo, so I won't be surprised when he is cut.

Thomas and Moore have been speculated all offseason. Sproles has been mentioned but not seriously.

 

[False Start]

I love how speculation from reporters always get people excited. Last week DJax was about to get traded.

I don't think all of this is speculation. I think Pierre Thomas will be cut. Saints will save 2.4 million when they cut him. Lance Moore has reached his productivity limit too, imo, so I won't be surprised when he is cut.

Thomas and Moore have been speculated all offseason. Sproles has been mentioned but seriously.

Sproles is who I mean, I cant see them parting ways with him yet. Like I said he is an important piece in this offense.

 

[Zigg]

I love how speculation from reporters always get people excited. Last week DJax was about to get traded.

I don't think all of this is speculation. I think Pierre Thomas will be cut. Saints will save 2.4 million when they cut him. Lance Moore has reached his productivity limit too, imo, so I won't be surprised when he is cut.

Thomas and Moore have been speculated all offseason. Sproles has been mentioned but seriously.

Sproles is who I mean, I cant see them parting ways with him yet. Like I said he was an important piece in this offense.

A player like Sproles can't afford to lose half a step, and it sure looked like he lost half a step.

 

[voiceofunreason]

I love how speculation from reporters always get people excited. Last week DJax was about to get traded.

I don't think all of this is speculation. I think Pierre Thomas will be cut. Saints will save 2.4 million when they cut him. Lance Moore has reached his productivity limit too, imo, so I won't be surprised when he is cut.

Thomas and Moore have been speculated all offseason. Sproles has been mentioned but seriously.

Sproles is who I mean, I cant see them parting ways with him yet. Like I said he was an important piece in this offense.

A player like Sproles can't afford to lose half a step, and it sure looked like he lost half a step.

He didn't do anything in any game I watched, looked washed up. Can still probably be a decent 3rd down back but JAG now very possibly.

I agree with your earlier comment, the Saints don't have any talent at wr or rb. I also think they need to find a 3 down rb and quit tipping their hand based on who is in the game. They've gotten so predictable running or throwing depending on who is in the backfield.

I'm not worried about Brees though, the talent get much worse than last year and he has been doing it for a long time. This is a good sign for me, maybe they're finally ready to move on from some of these players and get a little more talent around Brees.

 

[cstu]

From what I saw Sproles is still a very effective receiver, but it seems like he's lost a gear running the ball.

He's making $4M this year, which while isn't a huge number it's still one that would go a long way to extending Graham.

If they cut Thomas and Sproles that's 148 catches from the RB position they will be missing from last year. Ingram hasn't looked natural as a receiver and while Robinson looked good catching the ball in the preseason he didn't have a regular season reception.

 

[Sweet Love]

They want to get Khiry Robinson more involved this year

Or is the trust finally there with Ingram?

I think both and in general I think they trust their ability to locate lower cost alternatives.

Exactly. Robinson and Ingram alone would give them more RB depth than half the league...add in a rookie who can catch and they are back where they started with millions to show for it.

 

[jonboltz]

Lance Moore released.

 

[False Start]

Lance Moore released.

Not surprising. Anyone not know this was coming? Thomas will be traded, maybe, they will keep Sproles unless a great deal comes their way.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

They want to get Khiry Robinson more involved this year

Or is the trust finally there with Ingram?

I think both and in general I think they trust their ability to locate lower cost alternatives.

Exactly. Robinson and Ingram alone would give them more RB depth than half the league...add in a rookie who can catch and they are back where they started with millions to show for it.

Travis Cadet has shown flashes (albeit mostly in preseason) of being capable of filling the Sproles role (in a less dynamic way) as well.

 

[False Start]

I love how speculation from reporters always get people excited. Last week DJax was about to get traded.

I don't think all of this is speculation. I think Pierre Thomas will be cut. Saints will save 2.4 million when they cut him. Lance Moore has reached his productivity limit too, imo, so I won't be surprised when he is cut.

Thomas and Moore have been speculated all offseason. Sproles has been mentioned but seriously.

Sproles is who I mean, I cant see them parting ways with him yet. Like I said he was an important piece in this offense.

A player like Sproles can't afford to lose half a step, and it sure looked like he lost half a step.

I'm starting to change my tune on Sproles losing a step after looking over some of his tape from last year. If you look statistically, his only drop in production are TDs. While he is getting older some people and what they believe kill me. As we seen RBs who catch 70+ balls are the norm in the league and Sproles was Sproles last year, if you say anything otherwise you are being force fed your info or do not watch the Saints every game like I do. Looking back at some of his game play, he looks the same as he has always looked. Low miles on his legs for sure, his age is just a number.

For a guy who lost a step he put up his third highest reception and receiving yardage total on his lowest target total in 3 years. He had 4 TDs, down from his norm of 8-9 the two years prior. He put up better stats than he did when he found all his steps in 2010. I just believe people read what reporters say, dont really know if its true or not, then come here and start saying what reporters say as if they really believe it.

Man this was him last year, look at all those steps he lost.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I love how speculation from reporters always get people excited. Last week DJax was about to get traded.

I don't think all of this is speculation. I think Pierre Thomas will be cut. Saints will save 2.4 million when they cut him. Lance Moore has reached his productivity limit too, imo, so I won't be surprised when he is cut.

Thomas and Moore have been speculated all offseason. Sproles has been mentioned but seriously.

Sproles is who I mean, I cant see them parting ways with him yet. Like I said he was an important piece in this offense.

A player like Sproles can't afford to lose half a step, and it sure looked like he lost half a step.

He didn't do anything in any game I watched, looked washed up. Can still probably be a decent 3rd down back but JAG now very possibly.

This was my impression as well, although for some reason I beleive most of the Saints' games that I paid the most attention to were road games. 31 is getting old for a RB no matter what his role is - he's just not the asset he once was.

Some one mentioned how his numbers weren't really down across the board, with the exception o his TD totals. While TDs are a volitile stat from season to season, his lack of TDs could very well be related to his lack of explosion. He was still able to get open and still has sure hands, but he didn't seem as dangerous with the ball in his hands.

 

[Englishteacher]

Lance Moore released.

Panthers are in cap trouble but that'd be a nice ink for them. They are wide receiver thin and a low dollar signing would be great for them. Problem is he's had problems staying healthy at times and I don't know if they can at all afford to pay a guy who is going to miss time. Plus, he'd be able to help them with game planning against the Saints with that intimate knowledge.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Low miles on his legs for sure, his age is just a number.

If you follow NFL history, you would see that neither of these points ring true. Age to a RB is not "just a number", and the "low mileage theory" has been debunked. In fact most of the RBs that ave performed well after reaching 30,Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, Thomas Jones (perhaps the outlier) have been high carry backs throughout thei entire careers.

 

[False Start]

Low miles on his legs for sure, his age is just a number.

If you follow NFL history, you would see that neither of these points ring true. Age to a RB is not "just a number", and the "low mileage theory" has been debunked. In fact most of the RBs that ave performed well after reaching 30,Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, Thomas Jones (perhaps the outlier) have been high carry backs throughout thei entire careers.

Fred Jackson.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Low miles on his legs for sure, his age is just a number.

If you follow NFL history, you would see that neither of these points ring true. Age to a RB is not "just a number", and the "low mileage theory" has been debunked. In fact most of the RBs that ave performed well after reaching 30,Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, Thomas Jones (perhaps the outlier) have been high carry backs throughout thei entire careers.

Fred Jackson.

Shaun Alexander, Eddie George, Ladalian Tomlison, Clinton Portis - 100s of other elite RBs that fell off a cliff at or near 30.

Also the 1000s of no name RBs throughout NFL history that had low mileage, and never did squat after age 30.

You can list one (or a handful) of outliers but the fact that they are outlers makes your argument weaker not stronger.

Can Sproles be an outlier? Perhaps - but as they say "Father Time is undefeated".

 

[False Start]

Low miles on his legs for sure, his age is just a number.

If you follow NFL history, you would see that neither of these points ring true. Age to a RB is not "just a number", and the "low mileage theory" has been debunked. In fact most of the RBs that ave performed well after reaching 30,Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, Thomas Jones (perhaps the outlier) have been high carry backs throughout thei entire careers.

Fred Jackson.

Shaun Alexander, Eddie George, Ladalian Tomlison, Clinton Portis - 100s of other elite RBs that fell off a cliff at or near 30.

Also the 1000s of no name RBs throughout NFL history that had low mileage, and never did squat after age 30.

You can list one (or a handful) of outliers but the fact that they are outlers makes your argument weaker not stronger.

Can Sproles be an outlier? Perhaps - but as they say "Father Time is undefeated".

If "father time was undefeated" no player over 30 would succeed.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Low miles on his legs for sure, his age is just a number.

If you follow NFL history, you would see that neither of these points ring true. Age to a RB is not "just a number", and the "low mileage theory" has been debunked. In fact most of the RBs that ave performed well after reaching 30,Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, Thomas Jones (perhaps the outlier) have been high carry backs throughout thei entire careers.

Fred Jackson.

Shaun Alexander, Eddie George, Ladalian Tomlison, Clinton Portis - 100s of other elite RBs that fell off a cliff at or near 30.

Also the 1000s of no name RBs throughout NFL history that had low mileage, and never did squat after age 30.

You can list one (or a handful) of outliers but the fact that they are outlers makes your argument weaker not stronger.

Can Sproles be an outlier? Perhaps - but as they say "Father Time is undefeated".

If "father time was undefeated" no player over 30 would succeed.

Yes, that's exactly what that means. You win.

 

[False Start]

Low miles on his legs for sure, his age is just a number.

If you follow NFL history, you would see that neither of these points ring true. Age to a RB is not "just a number", and the "low mileage theory" has been debunked. In fact most of the RBs that ave performed well after reaching 30,Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, Thomas Jones (perhaps the outlier) have been high carry backs throughout thei entire careers.

Fred Jackson.

Shaun Alexander, Eddie George, Ladalian Tomlison, Clinton Portis - 100s of other elite RBs that fell off a cliff at or near 30.

Also the 1000s of no name RBs throughout NFL history that had low mileage, and never did squat after age 30.

You can list one (or a handful) of outliers but the fact that they are outlers makes your argument weaker not stronger.

Can Sproles be an outlier? Perhaps - but as they say "Father Time is undefeated".

If "father time was undefeated" no player over 30 would succeed.

Yes, that's exactly what that means. You win.

You and others put the plateau at 30, not me.

 

[Doug B]

Sproles' value to the Saints may be diminished because he is no longer a top kick/punt returner. Back when he arrived in 2011, Sproles saved the team a roster spot by being able to handle kickoffs & punts in addition to his offensive duties. But now is coming off career worsts in both KR and PR average.

I thought he did well on offense in 2013, but looked very ordinary on returns.

 

[voiceofunreason]

Low miles on his legs for sure, his age is just a number.

If you follow NFL history, you would see that neither of these points ring true. Age to a RB is not "just a number", and the "low mileage theory" has been debunked. In fact most of the RBs that ave performed well after reaching 30,Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, Thomas Jones (perhaps the outlier) have been high carry backs throughout thei entire careers.

Fred Jackson.

Shaun Alexander, Eddie George, Ladalian Tomlison, Clinton Portis - 100s of other elite RBs that fell off a cliff at or near 30.

Also the 1000s of no name RBs throughout NFL history that had low mileage, and never did squat after age 30.

You can list one (or a handful) of outliers but the fact that they are outlers makes your argument weaker not stronger.

Can Sproles be an outlier? Perhaps - but as they say "Father Time is undefeated".

If "father time was undefeated" no player over 30 would succeed.

Yes, that's exactly what that means. You win.

You and others put the plateau at 30, not me.

I put it at the age when a guy declines in play. I watched a lot of Saints games, Sproles isn't the same player. I'm sure he's good enough to play still but I don't think he's a difference maker anymore.

 

[False Start]

Low miles on his legs for sure, his age is just a number.

If you follow NFL history, you would see that neither of these points ring true. Age to a RB is not "just a number", and the "low mileage theory" has been debunked. In fact most of the RBs that ave performed well after reaching 30,Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, Thomas Jones (perhaps the outlier) have been high carry backs throughout thei entire careers.

Fred Jackson.

Shaun Alexander, Eddie George, Ladalian Tomlison, Clinton Portis - 100s of other elite RBs that fell off a cliff at or near 30.

Also the 1000s of no name RBs throughout NFL history that had low mileage, and never did squat after age 30.

You can list one (or a handful) of outliers but the fact that they are outlers makes your argument weaker not stronger.

Can Sproles be an outlier? Perhaps - but as they say "Father Time is undefeated".

If "father time was undefeated" no player over 30 would succeed.

Yes, that's exactly what that means. You win.

You and others put the plateau at 30, not me.

I put it at the age when a guy declines in play. I watched a lot of Saints games, Sproles isn't the same player. I'm sure he's good enough to play still but I don't think he's a difference maker anymore.

Well you are allowed to be wrong. I have video from the Dolphins game above that says otherwise.

 

[Doug B]

Well you are allowed to be wrong. I have video from the Dolphins game above that says otherwise.

While the Dolphins' game was a very nice one for Sproles, it was kind of an outlier among his 2013 offensive performances.

Consider also that since that Dolphins game, in Week 4 2013, Sproles has 13 more games worth of wear on his body. I think he can still contribute, too, but consider it all from a GM's vantage point -- having to weigh cost benefits per roster spot, saving/wasting roster spots with multi-dimensional players vs specialists, cap ramifications, etc.

 

[JohnnyU]

Low miles on his legs for sure, his age is just a number.

If you follow NFL history, you would see that neither of these points ring true. Age to a RB is not "just a number", and the "low mileage theory" has been debunked. In fact most of the RBs that ave performed well after reaching 30,Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, Thomas Jones (perhaps the outlier) have been high carry backs throughout thei entire careers.

Fred Jackson.

Shaun Alexander, Eddie George, Ladalian Tomlison, Clinton Portis - 100s of other elite RBs that fell off a cliff at or near 30.

Also the 1000s of no name RBs throughout NFL history that had low mileage, and never did squat after age 30.

You can list one (or a handful) of outliers but the fact that they are outlers makes your argument weaker not stronger.

Can Sproles be an outlier? Perhaps - but as they say "Father Time is undefeated".

If "father time was undefeated" no player over 30 would succeed.

Yes, that's exactly what that means. You win.

You and others put the plateau at 30, not me.

Denying this particular history is foolhardy.

 

[False Start]

Well you are allowed to be wrong. I have video from the Dolphins game above that says otherwise.

While the Dolphins' game was a very nice one for Sproles, it was kind of an outlier among his 2013 offensive performances.

Consider also that since that Dolphins game, in Week 4 2013, Sproles has 13 more games worth of wear on his body. I think he can still contribute, too, but consider it all from a GM's vantage point -- having to weigh cost benefits per roster spot, saving/wasting roster spots with multi-dimensional players vs specialists, cap ramifications, etc.

He has one year left on his deal at 3.5 mil. While he had a great yardage game vs the Dolphins he makes many catches in many games. Point of the video is that people say he lost a step last year, if he lost a step that game wouldn't of happened and his stats wouldn't be the same across the board except for TDs. While he is a year older, he has not shown he has lost a step. Your value of him past that is up to you.

 

[Doug B]

While he had a great yardage game vs the Dolphins he makes many catches in many games.

Very true. But that swing pass to the RB may be dialed back a lot going forward, as teams like Seattle have shown how to neutralize it.

IOW, it's possible that Sproles fits a prospective 2014 Saints offense less well than he fit the 2011-13 edition.

 

[humpback]

Well you are allowed to be wrong. I have video from the Dolphins game above that says otherwise.

While the Dolphins' game was a very nice one for Sproles, it was kind of an outlier among his 2013 offensive performances.

Consider also that since that Dolphins game, in Week 4 2013, Sproles has 13 more games worth of wear on his body. I think he can still contribute, too, but consider it all from a GM's vantage point -- having to weigh cost benefits per roster spot, saving/wasting roster spots with multi-dimensional players vs specialists, cap ramifications, etc.

He has one year left on his deal at 3.5 mil. While he had a great yardage game vs the Dolphins he makes many catches in many games. Point of the video is that people say he lost a step last year, if he lost a step that game wouldn't of happened and his stats wouldn't be the same across the board except for TDs. While he is a year older, he has not shown he has lost a step. Your value of him past that is up to you.

Well, they aren't, most aren't even close actually.

 

[False Start]

While he had a great yardage game vs the Dolphins he makes many catches in many games.

Very true. But that swing pass to the RB may be dialed back a lot going forward, as teams like Seattle have shown how to neutralize it.

IOW, it's possible that Sproles fits a prospective 2014 Saints offense less well than he fit the 2011-13 edition.

While this may and can be true and debated, saying he lost a step is my problem as it simply is not true. He did the same thing he did the year before except for TDs on fewer touches.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

good luck boys

No one is going to give them anything for either Thomas or Sproles.

 

[False Start]

Well you are allowed to be wrong. I have video from the Dolphins game above that says otherwise.

While the Dolphins' game was a very nice one for Sproles, it was kind of an outlier among his 2013 offensive performances.

Consider also that since that Dolphins game, in Week 4 2013, Sproles has 13 more games worth of wear on his body. I think he can still contribute, too, but consider it all from a GM's vantage point -- having to weigh cost benefits per roster spot, saving/wasting roster spots with multi-dimensional players vs specialists, cap ramifications, etc.

He has one year left on his deal at 3.5 mil. While he had a great yardage game vs the Dolphins he makes many catches in many games. Point of the video is that people say he lost a step last year, if he lost a step that game wouldn't of happened and his stats wouldn't be the same across the board except for TDs. While he is a year older, he has not shown he has lost a step. Your value of him past that is up to you.

Well, they aren't, most aren't even close actually.

2012 - 48/244/1 and 75/667/7

2013 - 54/220/2 and 71/604/2

Other than TDs, yes it's very similar.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

They want to get Khiry Robinson more involved this year

Robinson has zero to do with Sproles or Thomas -- he might be in the mix for some of Ingram's touches, but probably not given how much better Ingram played last year.

 

[Doug B]

While this may and can be true and debated, saying he lost a step is my problem as it simply is not true.

He sure looked right in that Dolphins game. Consider that that game was Week 4, however.

Maybe it's like this from the Saints' perspective: while Sproles can still bring it full force early in the season ... as he's gotten older, he's more prone to wear down by mid-season. While Sproles can stay on the field for 16 games, can he stay in top form for 16 games?

 

[False Start]

They want to get Khiry Robinson more involved this year

Robinson has zero to do with Sproles or Thomas -- he might be in the mix for some of Ingram's touches, but probably not given how much better Ingram played last year.

Agree. They wanted to get Ivory more involved, Cadet and now Robinson. It's always the same hype every year for the 4th RB on the Saints depth chart.

 

[humpback]

Well you are allowed to be wrong. I have video from the Dolphins game above that says otherwise.

While the Dolphins' game was a very nice one for Sproles, it was kind of an outlier among his 2013 offensive performances.

Consider also that since that Dolphins game, in Week 4 2013, Sproles has 13 more games worth of wear on his body. I think he can still contribute, too, but consider it all from a GM's vantage point -- having to weigh cost benefits per roster spot, saving/wasting roster spots with multi-dimensional players vs specialists, cap ramifications, etc.

He has one year left on his deal at 3.5 mil. While he had a great yardage game vs the Dolphins he makes many catches in many games. Point of the video is that people say he lost a step last year, if he lost a step that game wouldn't of happened and his stats wouldn't be the same across the board except for TDs. While he is a year older, he has not shown he has lost a step. Your value of him past that is up to you.

Well, they aren't, most aren't even close actually.

2012 - 48/244/1 and 75/667/7

2013 - 54/220/2 and 71/604/2

Other than TDs, yes it's very similar.

Rushing yards, yards per carry, receptions, receiving yards, yards per reception, receiving first downs, receiving TDs, punt return avg, and kickoff return average are all down from last year, some of them substantially worse, and most of those are down two years in a row.

 

[False Start]

Well you are allowed to be wrong. I have video from the Dolphins game above that says otherwise.

While the Dolphins' game was a very nice one for Sproles, it was kind of an outlier among his 2013 offensive performances.

Consider also that since that Dolphins game, in Week 4 2013, Sproles has 13 more games worth of wear on his body. I think he can still contribute, too, but consider it all from a GM's vantage point -- having to weigh cost benefits per roster spot, saving/wasting roster spots with multi-dimensional players vs specialists, cap ramifications, etc.

He has one year left on his deal at 3.5 mil. While he had a great yardage game vs the Dolphins he makes many catches in many games. Point of the video is that people say he lost a step last year, if he lost a step that game wouldn't of happened and his stats wouldn't be the same across the board except for TDs. While he is a year older, he has not shown he has lost a step. Your value of him past that is up to you.

Well, they aren't, most aren't even close actually.

2012 - 48/244/1 and 75/667/7

2013 - 54/220/2 and 71/604/2

Other than TDs, yes it's very similar.

Rushing yards, yards per carry, receptions, receiving yards, yards per reception, receiving first downs, receiving TDs, punt return avg, and kickoff return average are all down from last year, some of them substantially worse, and most of those are down two years in a row.

Are you not aware of what the word similar means? Brees TDs and yards are down from last year, even lower than two years prior, his fumbles lost were more than last year too. Yes players stats can be down yet similar to years past. Did we expect him to break career highs every year?

 

[humpback]

Well you are allowed to be wrong. I have video from the Dolphins game above that says otherwise.

While the Dolphins' game was a very nice one for Sproles, it was kind of an outlier among his 2013 offensive performances.

Consider also that since that Dolphins game, in Week 4 2013, Sproles has 13 more games worth of wear on his body. I think he can still contribute, too, but consider it all from a GM's vantage point -- having to weigh cost benefits per roster spot, saving/wasting roster spots with multi-dimensional players vs specialists, cap ramifications, etc.

He has one year left on his deal at 3.5 mil. While he had a great yardage game vs the Dolphins he makes many catches in many games. Point of the video is that people say he lost a step last year, if he lost a step that game wouldn't of happened and his stats wouldn't be the same across the board except for TDs. While he is a year older, he has not shown he has lost a step. Your value of him past that is up to you.

Well, they aren't, most aren't even close actually.

2012 - 48/244/1 and 75/667/7

2013 - 54/220/2 and 71/604/2

Other than TDs, yes it's very similar.

Rushing yards, yards per carry, receptions, receiving yards, yards per reception, receiving first downs, receiving TDs, punt return avg, and kickoff return average are all down from last year, some of them substantially worse, and most of those are down two years in a row.

Are you not aware of what the word similar means? Brees TDs and yards are down from last year, even lower than two years prior, his fumbles lost were more than last year too. Yes players stats can be down yet similar to years past. Did we expect him to break career highs every year?

 

[False Start]

Well you are allowed to be wrong. I have video from the Dolphins game above that says otherwise.

While the Dolphins' game was a very nice one for Sproles, it was kind of an outlier among his 2013 offensive performances.

Consider also that since that Dolphins game, in Week 4 2013, Sproles has 13 more games worth of wear on his body. I think he can still contribute, too, but consider it all from a GM's vantage point -- having to weigh cost benefits per roster spot, saving/wasting roster spots with multi-dimensional players vs specialists, cap ramifications, etc.

He has one year left on his deal at 3.5 mil. While he had a great yardage game vs the Dolphins he makes many catches in many games. Point of the video is that people say he lost a step last year, if he lost a step that game wouldn't of happened and his stats wouldn't be the same across the board except for TDs. While he is a year older, he has not shown he has lost a step. Your value of him past that is up to you.

Well, they aren't, most aren't even close actually.

2012 - 48/244/1 and 75/667/7

2013 - 54/220/2 and 71/604/2

Other than TDs, yes it's very similar.

Rushing yards, yards per carry, receptions, receiving yards, yards per reception, receiving first downs, receiving TDs, punt return avg, and kickoff return average are all down from last year, some of them substantially worse, and most of those are down two years in a row.

Are you not aware of what the word similar means? Brees TDs and yards are down from last year, even lower than two years prior, his fumbles lost were more than last year too. Yes players stats can be down yet similar to years past. Did we expect him to break career highs every year?

I thought the same when you said most are not close when they clearly are, I just chose to articulate a response. You think Sproles lost a step, thats cool, dont draft him or roster him.

 

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Well you are allowed to be wrong. I have video from the Dolphins game above that says otherwise.

While the Dolphins' game was a very nice one for Sproles, it was kind of an outlier among his 2013 offensive performances.

Consider also that since that Dolphins game, in Week 4 2013, Sproles has 13 more games worth of wear on his body. I think he can still contribute, too, but consider it all from a GM's vantage point -- having to weigh cost benefits per roster spot, saving/wasting roster spots with multi-dimensional players vs specialists, cap ramifications, etc.

He has one year left on his deal at 3.5 mil. While he had a great yardage game vs the Dolphins he makes many catches in many games. Point of the video is that people say he lost a step last year, if he lost a step that game wouldn't of happened and his stats wouldn't be the same across the board except for TDs. While he is a year older, he has not shown he has lost a step. Your value of him past that is up to you.

Well, they aren't, most aren't even close actually.

2012 - 48/244/1 and 75/667/7

2013 - 54/220/2 and 71/604/2

Other than TDs, yes it's very similar.

Rushing yards, yards per carry, receptions, receiving yards, yards per reception, receiving first downs, receiving TDs, punt return avg, and kickoff return average are all down from last year, some of them substantially worse, and most of those are down two years in a row.

Are you not aware of what the word similar means? Brees TDs and yards are down from last year, even lower than two years prior, his fumbles lost were more than last year too. Yes players stats can be down yet similar to years past. Did we expect him to break career highs every year?

I thought the same when you said most are not close when they clearly are, I just chose to articulate a response. You think Sproles lost a step, thats cool, dont draft him or roster him.

His ypc has gone from 6.9 to 5.1 to 4.2. His kick return average has gone from 27.2 to 26.8 to 21.3. Punt return avg from 10.1 to 8.0 to 6.7. On what planet are those "very similar"?

Then you bring up Brees to try and make your case? He went from 5177 to 5162 yards and 43 to 39 TDs. If you add in rushing he actually had more total yards and 2 fewer total TDs. He had a higher average, QB rating, fewer INTs, etc. His number actually are very similar, unlike Sproles'.

 

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Well you are allowed to be wrong. I have video from the Dolphins game above that says otherwise.

While the Dolphins' game was a very nice one for Sproles, it was kind of an outlier among his 2013 offensive performances.

Consider also that since that Dolphins game, in Week 4 2013, Sproles has 13 more games worth of wear on his body. I think he can still contribute, too, but consider it all from a GM's vantage point -- having to weigh cost benefits per roster spot, saving/wasting roster spots with multi-dimensional players vs specialists, cap ramifications, etc.

He has one year left on his deal at 3.5 mil. While he had a great yardage game vs the Dolphins he makes many catches in many games. Point of the video is that people say he lost a step last year, if he lost a step that game wouldn't of happened and his stats wouldn't be the same across the board except for TDs. While he is a year older, he has not shown he has lost a step. Your value of him past that is up to you.

Well, they aren't, most aren't even close actually.

2012 - 48/244/1 and 75/667/7

2013 - 54/220/2 and 71/604/2

Other than TDs, yes it's very similar.

Rushing yards, yards per carry, receptions, receiving yards, yards per reception, receiving first downs, receiving TDs, punt return avg, and kickoff return average are all down from last year, some of them substantially worse, and most of those are down two years in a row.

Are you not aware of what the word similar means? Brees TDs and yards are down from last year, even lower than two years prior, his fumbles lost were more than last year too. Yes players stats can be down yet similar to years past. Did we expect him to break career highs every year?

I thought the same when you said most are not close when they clearly are, I just chose to articulate a response. You think Sproles lost a step, thats cool, dont draft him or roster him.

His ypc has gone from 6.9 to 5.1 to 4.2. His kick return average has gone from 27.2 to 26.8 to 21.3. Punt return avg from 10.1 to 8.0 to 6.7. On what planet are those "very similar"?

Then you bring up Brees to try and make your case? He went from 5177 to 5162 yards and 43 to 39 TDs. If you add in rushing he actually had more total yards and 2 fewer total TDs. He had a higher average, QB rating, fewer INTs, etc. His number actually are very similar, unlike Sproles'.

Only one talking about punt and kick returns are you. If you want to look at the all important fantasy stat of kick and punt return yardage then you got me. Ironically you bring up traditional stats for Brees though, even though that's clearly what we all were talking about with Sproles. Kudos to you for looking into the return game though seeing as how that is his only purpose.

Since we are on the topic, his total chances in the return game went from 69, 41, and 41 in the last 3 years and his punt return yards were up from last year. Infact his punt return yards are up from 4 years ago. He has been virtually removed from the return game on the Saints the past two years, but I love the stats so keep them coming.