Bob Magaw
Footballguy
starting another thread because it is a different subject than the countdown to out of town premise.
i continue to see a lot of posters state bradford is "terrible".
this was exacerbated by his admittedly brutal showing on thur night against SF in week four, one of the worst of his career, in i think first national appearance in few seasons (?)...
a few things can cause mischief (on both sides, pro and con), subjectivity, forming a conclusion, and possibly ignoring later changes...
also, not being clear on whether we are talking about fantasy football or the actual NFL...
another factor is that he has played for some historically bad teams (15-65 before fisher showed up, from 2007-2011, the last two seasons of which were bradford's first two), complicating his evaluation...
some point to what luck did his rookie year... but luck was best prospect in at least a decade plus since manning (and arguably further, extending back several decades to elway - in other words, one of best prospects in league history)... that is a harsh comparison... in other words, simplistically, he could not be as good as luck and be "good" as opposed to terrible or mediocre. also, clearly the 2007-2011 colts weren't as bad as the rams (one of worst half decades in history of professional sports, not just NFL), so that sort of defeats purpose of that comparison.
he took the 2010 team (as a rookie) and 2012 team to 7-9 records (from one and two win seasons in previous years, respectively)... both in year one rebuilds... he has played on youngest team in league in 2012-2013... some would say going from 1 or 2 to 7 wins is mediocre?
i'd like to do a few things in the thread...
track him in 2013 (and going forward)...
and make a clear distinction if you are talking about him in fantasy football, or actual NFL QB sense...
i'm more interested in dynasty, but clearly this has concurrent redraft relevance.
also to set up some benchmarks or metrics, to eliminate some subjectivity (i saw him play once in past three to four years, in thur night game against SF, and he is terrible )...
for now, i'll focus more on fantasy, as they are youngest team in league, relatively early in fisher's massive rebuild, and i do think there will be a better sense of where he is at independent of his surroundings by next year... if others want to, that is fine, but just putting a qualifier/disclaimer in first post, highlighting why i MAY not have as much interest on actual NFL side this year (ie - if rams finish 7-9 behind SEA and SF in NFC west, maybe two of top three teams in NFL, having a conversation that this "proves" bradford is terrible or mediocre).
he is currently pacing for under 4,000 yards (was pacing for over 4,000 yards before week six, a strange game in which he threw for 3 TDs in about a 38-12 win, but only had like 100 yards, with the team getting two defensive TDs), but 34 TDs (13 TDs through six games is fifth in league, one back of a three way tie for second with 14 TDs by brees, romo and rivers).
manning is the only QB that has started every game with less picks at 2 INTs... bradford is tied for second lowest (3) with romo, ryan, luck and smith.
don't know if QB rating is key data point (some consider it outmoded and antiquated), but for what it is worth, he is 11th (90.7).
i looked in one league, and he is currently #9 QB (ahead of non-bye QBs luck, wilson, eli manning, dalton, kaepernick and brady - stewart and RGIII have had byes)...
so in fantasy terms, what are some benchmarks where you would label him above average, average and below average.
if he finishes with around 4,000 yards, 30+ TDs and in the top 10-12 QBs... he does have both games with SEA and another with SF, so no lock to do so... but if he does, imo, it will be untenable to call him a "terrible" QB, or even mediocre, IN FANTASY TERMS.
* i'm aware some will point to his low career YPA average as "proof" that he is a terrible or mediocre actual NFL QB... but again, that has no bearing on his fantasy standing.
also, conceded his career 58.4 completion percentage is underwhelming... than again, he had something like 12 different WR starters in first three seasons (half of which are out of the league), not ideal when QB/WR battery relies on timing, chemistry and rapport... this year he is at 59.5% (same as 2012, 60% as rookie), but i'm pretty sure they are leading the league in drops handily, so if they can get that straightened out, there is hope maybe he could get closer to 65% in future for first time in his career, and hopefully move more in that direction going forward...
i continue to see a lot of posters state bradford is "terrible".
this was exacerbated by his admittedly brutal showing on thur night against SF in week four, one of the worst of his career, in i think first national appearance in few seasons (?)...
a few things can cause mischief (on both sides, pro and con), subjectivity, forming a conclusion, and possibly ignoring later changes...
also, not being clear on whether we are talking about fantasy football or the actual NFL...
another factor is that he has played for some historically bad teams (15-65 before fisher showed up, from 2007-2011, the last two seasons of which were bradford's first two), complicating his evaluation...
some point to what luck did his rookie year... but luck was best prospect in at least a decade plus since manning (and arguably further, extending back several decades to elway - in other words, one of best prospects in league history)... that is a harsh comparison... in other words, simplistically, he could not be as good as luck and be "good" as opposed to terrible or mediocre. also, clearly the 2007-2011 colts weren't as bad as the rams (one of worst half decades in history of professional sports, not just NFL), so that sort of defeats purpose of that comparison.
he took the 2010 team (as a rookie) and 2012 team to 7-9 records (from one and two win seasons in previous years, respectively)... both in year one rebuilds... he has played on youngest team in league in 2012-2013... some would say going from 1 or 2 to 7 wins is mediocre?
i'd like to do a few things in the thread...
track him in 2013 (and going forward)...
and make a clear distinction if you are talking about him in fantasy football, or actual NFL QB sense...
i'm more interested in dynasty, but clearly this has concurrent redraft relevance.
also to set up some benchmarks or metrics, to eliminate some subjectivity (i saw him play once in past three to four years, in thur night game against SF, and he is terrible )...
for now, i'll focus more on fantasy, as they are youngest team in league, relatively early in fisher's massive rebuild, and i do think there will be a better sense of where he is at independent of his surroundings by next year... if others want to, that is fine, but just putting a qualifier/disclaimer in first post, highlighting why i MAY not have as much interest on actual NFL side this year (ie - if rams finish 7-9 behind SEA and SF in NFC west, maybe two of top three teams in NFL, having a conversation that this "proves" bradford is terrible or mediocre).
he is currently pacing for under 4,000 yards (was pacing for over 4,000 yards before week six, a strange game in which he threw for 3 TDs in about a 38-12 win, but only had like 100 yards, with the team getting two defensive TDs), but 34 TDs (13 TDs through six games is fifth in league, one back of a three way tie for second with 14 TDs by brees, romo and rivers).
manning is the only QB that has started every game with less picks at 2 INTs... bradford is tied for second lowest (3) with romo, ryan, luck and smith.
don't know if QB rating is key data point (some consider it outmoded and antiquated), but for what it is worth, he is 11th (90.7).
i looked in one league, and he is currently #9 QB (ahead of non-bye QBs luck, wilson, eli manning, dalton, kaepernick and brady - stewart and RGIII have had byes)...
so in fantasy terms, what are some benchmarks where you would label him above average, average and below average.
if he finishes with around 4,000 yards, 30+ TDs and in the top 10-12 QBs... he does have both games with SEA and another with SF, so no lock to do so... but if he does, imo, it will be untenable to call him a "terrible" QB, or even mediocre, IN FANTASY TERMS.
* i'm aware some will point to his low career YPA average as "proof" that he is a terrible or mediocre actual NFL QB... but again, that has no bearing on his fantasy standing.
also, conceded his career 58.4 completion percentage is underwhelming... than again, he had something like 12 different WR starters in first three seasons (half of which are out of the league), not ideal when QB/WR battery relies on timing, chemistry and rapport... this year he is at 59.5% (same as 2012, 60% as rookie), but i'm pretty sure they are leading the league in drops handily, so if they can get that straightened out, there is hope maybe he could get closer to 65% in future for first time in his career, and hopefully move more in that direction going forward...
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