I bet he gives a better return on investment than Russell...Huge waste of money. He will never be a viable NFL QB.
Pretty sure Bradford has never seen purple drank in his life.I bet he gives a better return on investment than Russell...Huge waste of money. He will never be a viable NFL QB.
You're talking to a guy that prematurely bought a custom Suh Rams jersey at Week 17 last season when the Rams were assured of #1 overall. I was convinced that the Rams weren't dumb enough to screw up and take someone other than him.I was wrong, and now I have a worthless jersey to prove it.I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
I would wear it proudly at Rams home games.You're talking to a guy that prematurely bought a custom Suh Rams jersey at Week 17 last season when the Rams were assured of #1 overall. I was convinced that the Rams weren't dumb enough to screw up and take someone other than him.I was wrong, and now I have a worthless jersey to prove it.I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
Oh, I'm still keeping it in case Bradford becomes a bust and Suh becomes the next Warren Sapp.I would wear it proudly at Rams home games.You're talking to a guy that prematurely bought a custom Suh Rams jersey at Week 17 last season when the Rams were assured of #1 overall. I was convinced that the Rams weren't dumb enough to screw up and take someone other than him.I was wrong, and now I have a worthless jersey to prove it.I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
Did you just drop your Rams ID under your log in and avatar? That's messed up!Oh, I'm still keeping it in case Bradford becomes a bust and Suh becomes the next Warren Sapp.I would wear it proudly at Rams home games.You're talking to a guy that prematurely bought a custom Suh Rams jersey at Week 17 last season when the Rams were assured of #1 overall. I was convinced that the Rams weren't dumb enough to screw up and take someone other than him.I was wrong, and now I have a worthless jersey to prove it.I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
I firmly believe Suh would have been the better choice but I'll stay on record as saying Bradford will be better than half the QBs taken #1 in the last 20 years. About equal to Stafford, the rest are fairly obvious.You're talking to a guy that prematurely bought a custom Suh Rams jersey at Week 17 last season when the Rams were assured of #1 overall. I was convinced that the Rams weren't dumb enough to screw up and take someone other than him.I was wrong, and now I have a worthless jersey to prove it.I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
Being a Rams fan can be depressing.Did you just drop your Rams ID under your log in and avatar? That's messed up!Oh, I'm still keeping it in case Bradford becomes a bust and Suh becomes the next Warren Sapp.I would wear it proudly at Rams home games.You're talking to a guy that prematurely bought a custom Suh Rams jersey at Week 17 last season when the Rams were assured of #1 overall. I was convinced that the Rams weren't dumb enough to screw up and take someone other than him.I was wrong, and now I have a worthless jersey to prove it.I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.![]()
Did you say the same about Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford?I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
Hi Wick, not sure I understand what you are really asking. I just feel strongly about Bradford and the slow decline of the Rams over the psast 5+ years. Apparently Bulger got old overnight and in his very early 30s. He also was sacked more than any other QB I can think of the past few years. I see nothing about Bradford that is going to help this and Idon't see the St Louis defense doing much better either. The Rams were within a game of tying Detroit for the worst record ever. Players are different, nothing about Matt Ryan is the same as Matt Stafford, same can be said about Bradford. All his highlights from his Junior year show him with no pass rush anywhere near him and he was able to serve afternoon tea in the midst of throwing the football. Wide open throwing lanes and he won't have any of that in St Louis. When he got some pressure as a Senior at OK, he didn't respond very well...I just feel he was made better by the system. I'm not saying he will flop like Russell, but I feel in 3 years the folks making excuses for him will say that he didn't have a team to work with around him...I'm stating that now. But Go Rams, I have nothing against them or their fans. I hope for better days for all of youDid you say the same about Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford?I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
I'm not a scout and haven't watched all his college games but here is what I seeBigHi Wick, not sure I understand what you are really asking. I just feel strongly about Bradford and the slow decline of the Rams over the psast 5+ years. Apparently Bulger got old overnight and in his very early 30s. He also was sacked more than any other QB I can think of the past few years. I see nothing about Bradford that is going to help this and Idon't see the St Louis defense doing much better either. The Rams were within a game of tying Detroit for the worst record ever. Players are different, nothing about Matt Ryan is the same as Matt Stafford, same can be said about Bradford. All his highlights from his Junior year show him with no pass rush anywhere near him and he was able to serve afternoon tea in the midst of throwing the football. Wide open throwing lanes and he won't have any of that in St Louis. When he got some pressure as a Senior at OK, he didn't respond very well...I just feel he was made better by the system. I'm not saying he will flop like Russell, but I feel in 3 years the folks making excuses for him will say that he didn't have a team to work with around him...I'm stating that now.Did you say the same about Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford?I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.
So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
But Go Rams, I have nothing against them or their fans. I hope for better days for all of you![]()
That doesn't make any sense. If you think it was the wrong move, wear it now like you got a pair and call your shot. Waiting until the dust settles four years from now to pull it out and say "I told you so" isn't any way to be.Oh, I'm still keeping it in case Bradford becomes a bust and Suh becomes the next Warren Sapp.I would wear it proudly at Rams home games.You're talking to a guy that prematurely bought a custom Suh Rams jersey at Week 17 last season when the Rams were assured of #1 overall. I was convinced that the Rams weren't dumb enough to screw up and take someone other than him.I was wrong, and now I have a worthless jersey to prove it.I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
I pretty much agree with MoPs post besides that he was a Sophmore when he won the Heisman and was a Junior when he got hurt. He is highly intelligent and an extremely good athelete but I do not know if he can overcome the gaps the Rams have in their pass protection. His only hope is to let Feeley get killed before he gets thrown to the wolves and feasted on.He's worth every bit of that contract though and he deserves $50M guaranteed because he's probably going to get killed out there. Might as well get something up front before the punishment begins.If he can just get some protection he will make the Rams fans happy for years to come.Hi Wick, not sure I understand what you are really asking. I just feel strongly about Bradford and the slow decline of the Rams over the psast 5+ years. Apparently Bulger got old overnight and in his very early 30s. He also was sacked more than any other QB I can think of the past few years. I see nothing about Bradford that is going to help this and Idon't see the St Louis defense doing much better either. The Rams were within a game of tying Detroit for the worst record ever. Players are different, nothing about Matt Ryan is the same as Matt Stafford, same can be said about Bradford. All his highlights from his Junior year show him with no pass rush anywhere near him and he was able to serve afternoon tea in the midst of throwing the football. Wide open throwing lanes and he won't have any of that in St Louis. When he got some pressure as a Senior at OK, he didn't respond very well...I just feel he was made better by the system. I'm not saying he will flop like Russell, but I feel in 3 years the folks making excuses for him will say that he didn't have a team to work with around him...I'm stating that now. But Go Rams, I have nothing against them or their fans. I hope for better days for all of youDid you say the same about Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford?I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.![]()
The beginning? We're already in the third act and the big gal is warming up her vocal chords.The beginning of the end of football in St. Louis.
2007-2009 was merely a prelude. Why? Because there was still a chance that the Rams could find a few building blocks, spend their money wisely, and develop a foundation that would lead to a winning program.Now? They've got $50 million tied up with an injury-prone benchwarmer.The beginning? We're already in the third act and the big gal is warming up her vocal chords.The beginning of the end of football in St. Louis.
As Drinen is fond of saying, "drafting a QB high is the worst way to acquire a franchise QB... except for all the other ways".$50 million guaranteed for a historically 50% chance of him becoming a legit NFL starter is INSANE.I still can't understand why NFL rookies get so much money when so many of them fail and fail terribly.
Not true. The guys at the top of the round are actually pretty accurately paid, it's just that the guys later in the round are so ridiculously UNDERpaid that it makes them look overpaid by comparison.I wanted the Rams to trade down, almost regardless of the cost. The players at the top of the draft are simply so massively overpaid that they almost never live up to the hype.
Just because his opinion is different than yours does not make it not true. Top first round picks do get paid an insane amount of money, especially when they haven't proven themselves on an NFL level when they sign.Not true. The guys at the top of the round are actually pretty accurately paid, it's just that the guys later in the round are so ridiculously UNDERpaid that it makes them look overpaid by comparison.I wanted the Rams to trade down, almost regardless of the cost. The players at the top of the draft are simply so massively overpaid that they almost never live up to the hype.
The responses on this thread condemning Bradford to failure before he has taken single snap in the NFL are a perfect example of Shark Pool groupthink and noise which the wise best filter out through observation and analysis.
I have no idea why you brought up Stafford here. The guy had one great game against Cleveland, and outside of that had one of the worst rookie years in recent memory.Did you say the same about Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford?I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
$14 million less total and $15 million less guaranteed for Ryan is a bargain, but he wasn't the top pick.Did you say the same about Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford?I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
But the Lions are currently viewed as a team on the rise. A key part of their road back to legitimacy was drafting a young leader at the QB position.I assume your talking about his year statistically? Was it any worse than Peyton Mannings rookie year?I have no idea why you brought up Stafford here. The guy had one great game against Cleveland, and outside of that had one of the worst rookie years in recent memory.Did you say the same about Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford?I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
Its not like the Rams got to choose their draft spot..someone was going to get paid too much. I don't mind it being on someone who can have a HUGE impact on the franchise.$14 million less total and $15 million less guaranteed for Ryan is a bargain, but he wasn't the top pick.Did you say the same about Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford?I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
By whom??? Vegas has Detroit's over/under at 5 wins -- lowest in the entire NFL.But the Lions are currently viewed as a team on the rise.I have no idea why you brought up Stafford here. The guy had one great game against Cleveland, and outside of that had one of the worst rookie years in recent memory.Did you say the same about Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford?I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
They won 2 games last year and that line at many books is being bet heavily on the OVERcurrently at sportbook.comDetroit Over 5 -130If the Lions weren't in a division with the Packers and Vikings they'd be getting much more run as a sleeper team.Rams are also at 5 . Browns, Bills, and Bucs are at 5.5By whom??? Vegas has Detroit's over/under at 5 wins -- lowest in the entire NFL.But the Lions are currently viewed as a team on the rise.I have no idea why you brought up Stafford here. The guy had one great game against Cleveland, and outside of that had one of the worst rookie years in recent memory.Did you say the same about Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford?I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
Would the Lions have been in a better position today had they drafted Aaron Curry or Jason Smith?I have no idea why you brought up Stafford here. The guy had one great game against Cleveland, and outside of that had one of the worst rookie years in recent memory.Did you say the same about Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford?I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
Technically, that's not true. The Rams could have chosen to pick 2nd, 3rd, 4th, whenever they wanted.Its not like the Rams got to choose their draft spot.
When two Harvard economists publish perhaps the most-dissected NFL study of all time (discussion of the study available here, here, here, and here, just for starters) showing that draft picks at all levels receive less money than a 6-year veteran free agent would receive for a comparable level of performance (skip to pages 42 and 43 for the graph illustrating the concept), then it goes a pretty long way towards dispelling the myth that high draft picks, in general, are overpaid. No, the #1 overall draft pick isn't quite as much of a bargain as an early second rounder... but that doesn't change the fact that he's still a MUCH better bargain than a comparable free agent (assuming a comparable free agent ever becomes available- the only QBs with Bradford's potential who has hit the market in recent memory have been Cutler, Brees, and Culpepper. Culpepper was a total bust, Brees was only available because he was coming off a major injury to his arm that people speculated might end his career, and Cutler cost two firsts, a third, and one of the biggest QB contracts in the NFL).Now, it's possible for high draft picks in general to be underpaid... but Sam Bradford in particular to be overpaid. I mean, just because on the whole top-5 draft picks wind up outproducing their contracts doesn't magically mean that Jamarcus Russell was worth $60 million. Still, any such claims (that Sam Bradford in particular is overpaid) should focus more on the specific attributes relating to Bradford that lead the poster to think he is overpaid, and focus less on the size of his contract (which is in line with his draft position and relatively lower than would be expected of a comparable free agent) or the position that he was drafted in (which, by and large, has tended to outperform its contracts).Just because his opinion is different than yours does not make it not true. Top first round picks do get paid an insane amount of money, especially when they haven't proven themselves on an NFL level when they sign.
Stafford did not have a bad year unless you judge him solely on statistics.I have no idea why you brought up Stafford here. The guy had one great game against Cleveland, and outside of that had one of the worst rookie years in recent memory.Did you say the same about Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford?I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
Yep, which is why the system needs to change. Heck, some of these lesser teams would be better off if the rookie draft were simply free agency. Never happen, but at least then they would have more options.Its not like the Rams got to choose their draft spot..someone was going to get paid too much. I don't mind it being on someone who can have a HUGE impact on the franchise.$14 million less total and $15 million less guaranteed for Ryan is a bargain, but he wasn't the top pick.Did you say the same about Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford?I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed.So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
I realize we're hijacking here but were you impressed with his rookie season? I didn't see him play except Thanksgiving, but his stats including INTs, AY/A, and Y/A actually appear worse as the season wore on aside from the game against the Browns. The other defenses he played against were solid to very good, so I'm sure that's a big part of it. But as you almost certainly saw more than most of us, what impressed you about his play?Stafford did not have a bad year unless you judge him solely on statistics.