San Diego at Denver (1 Viewer)

[LargeMouthBass]

Brady sucks. The refs had to cheat for the Pats to beat the Browns at home. So stop comparing Brady to Manning. Brady won't be able to beat that crappy Miami team this week.

Brady is better then Manning, this is a fact. Manning can't win in the cold, this is also a fact.

How is that a fact? You Boston people are funny. This world doesn't revolve around Boston. I will bump this thread just for you. Pats lose this week cause Brady sucks.

 

[SengerCJ]

Why must we always bring up the Brady/Manning debate? They are both great QBs with great careers. What kind of factors even go in to comparing 2 players? wins, superbowls, receivers, coaches, o-line, defense, division, climate, ect. Can't we agree they are both of the same caliber and call it a night.

 

[Judge Smails]

Stabbings, really? Can't blame it on Raider's fans..

 

[Mile High]

Why must we always bring up the Brady/Manning debate? They are both great QBs with great careers. What kind of factors even go in to comparing 2 players? wins, superbowls, receivers, coaches, o-line, defense, division, climate, ect. Can't we agree they are both of the same caliber and call it a night.

It's obvious Brady is better just look at this season. Manning can't get out of the way of a Brady punt, Brady recovers it and kicks the game winning FG in OT to beat Manning. Then last week Brady kicks an onside kick and recovers it and then finds a yellow flag in his pocket and uses it in the last minute to call a PI penalty for the win. Then tonight Manning jumps offsides on a punt and kept running on to the field giving Denver 12 men on the field penalties. So Brady is a hero and Manning keeps making stupid mistakes.

 

[BlueBlazer05]

"I don't know how far San Diego can go, lets forget about that nonsense." -Deion Sanders

Really? The chargers look like one of the top 4-5 teams in the AFC, in my opinion. Would be the best team to miss the playoffs if they don't get in.

Saw that as well. Typical lazy, dismissive analysis. I'm not saying whether SD will go far or not, but they've certainly showed the capability of doing so against Indy, KC, and now Denver. Deion also seemed to gloss over Denver's potential playoff issues.

 

[JuniorNB]

I'm not saying Brady would have won this game, but Brady would have won this game.

How many rings has Brady won since the league made them stop cheating?

HINT: Zero

 

[devouredbychaos]

I'm not saying Brady would have won this game, but Brady would have won this game.

How many rings has Brady won since the league made them stop cheating?HINT: Zero

Stop whining. If the Pats win out they get the #1 seed

 

[bostonfred]

It's obvious Brady is better just look at this season. Manning can't get out of the way of a Brady punt, Brady recovers it and kicks the game winning FG in OT to beat Manning. Then last week Brady kicks an onside kick and recovers it and then finds a yellow flag in his pocket and uses it in the last minute to call a PI penalty for the win. Then tonight Manning jumps offsides on a punt and kept running on to the field giving Denver 12 men on the field penalties. So Brady is a hero and Manning keeps making stupid mistakes.

The patriots dug themselves into a 21-0 hole in the early minutes of the pats broncos game by fumbling the ball repeatedly, including one by ridley that all but ended his season. Brady led them to 4 tds to come back and beat the broncos. Against cleveland, brady was leading a drive when he threw the ball to gronk, and he tore his acl and mcl. When he finally had a chance to get something going, the defense failed him by letting up an 80 yard strike to josh gordon. When they needed a critical stop in the fourth quarter, they gave up a long drive that was capped by a touchdown to a completely uncovered jordan cameron. Both teams faced adversity, and both qbs had a chance to respond.Against the browns, with two minutes and change left, down by two scores, brady get the ball and leads them to a quick touchdown. Everyone in the stadium, everyone watching on tv said, if they get the ball back, they're really going to do this. And they did. And while you can complain all you want about that pass interference call, brady still had to throw the game winning touchdown, and he did. Two touchdowns in two minutes to lead one of the most improbable comebacks of the season.

Manning last night got the ball back, down one score, with 4 minutes left, and everyone said, he's reallly going to do this. What did he do? He threw an interception that gave san diego the ball in field goal distance. But that's ok, the defense was able to hold them to a field goal and get manning the ball back with two minutes and change left. And sure enough, manning comes out slinging the ball to montee ball over the middle. Then knowshon over the middle. And andre caldwell and jacob tamme in the middle of the field. He never spiked the ball, which kept his completion percentage up, but he threw a ball off the defenders hands at the start of the drive. Still, manning was able to get it done, heroically driving them to a long field goal attempt with half a minute left. If the energy wasn't quite the same with mannings drive, maybe its because manning had taken all that time off the clock just to make up the points that he had handed to the chargers with his late fourth quarter interception, and had taken the field goal so they had a chance to tie, instead of the td so they had a chance to win.

Every team has good breaks and bad breaks. The broncos this year have had their share of both, and the patriots have, too. If you want to compare having your head coach sidelined by heart surgery to losing gronk, hernandez, mayo, wilfork and vereen to the ir, we can. If you want to compare a 12 man on the field penalty which was clearly evident on replay to a penalty that has literally only been called once in the nfl, ever, against the patriots at the end of the game to give the jets a shorter field goal, and then another penalty where the flag was inexplicably picked up at the end of the panthers game, and then say that the patriots only beat the browns because of a bad call and the broncos only lost because of penalties, then you're within your rights, but its not a very good argument.

What we can compare is the individual efforts. And while manning has put up gaudier stats, while throwing to much better targets, his individual efforts in prime time games against the colts, patriots and chargers have been less than stellar. In the patriots and chargers games in particular, he seemed to forget about his best receivers, and he shrunk when the game was on the line. This isn't the first time we've seen it, and I doubt it will be the last, because the broncos are going to another postseason game, where he will throw another game ending interception, and his fans will again blame the defense or the officiating or bad luck or whatever they can blame besides manning himself.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Stabbings, really? Can't blame it on Raider's fans..

stay classy denver

 

[JuniorNB]

I'm not saying Brady would have won this game, but Brady would have won this game.

How many rings has Brady won since the league made them stop cheating?HINT: Zero

Stop whining. If the Pats win out they get the #1 seed

Like they've never had that before. #18-1

 

[Routilla]

Didn't see this one coming. Chargers dominated the pace of the game and took away the big plays that the donkeys thrive on. I bet Vegas made a killing last night.

 

[Run It Up]

Didn't see this one coming. Chargers dominated the pace of the game and took away the big plays that the donkeys thrive on. I bet Vegas made a killing last night.

Was looking forward to this game since the Broncos lost to the Pats. The only two teams I thought even had a chance to beat the Broncos and drop them to at best 13-3 were the Chiefs last week and the Chargers this week.

If the Chargers somehow sneak into the playoffs, I feel like Keenan Allen and Rivers should be in consideration for co-mvp.

 

[Tau837]

"I don't know how far San Diego can go, lets forget about that nonsense." -Deion Sanders

Really? The chargers look like one of the top 4-5 teams in the AFC, in my opinion. Would be the best team to miss the playoffs if they don't get in.

Saw that as well. Typical lazy, dismissive analysis. I'm not saying whether SD will go far or not, but they've certainly showed the capability of doing so against Indy, KC, and now Denver. Deion also seemed to gloss over Denver's potential playoff issues.

The Chargers are 3 plays away from being 10-4. This team is much better than their record shows.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The Chargers are 3 plays away from being 10-4. This team is much better than their record shows.

Okay, but I am guessing most teams around the .500 mark could be three games better or worse if you change one play in a bunch of games.

Hell, the Dolphins could be fighting for home field in the AFC if a play or two had gone differently in four or five of their games! Or had a play or two gone differently in four or five of their other games, they could be a contender for the number 1 pick in the draft!

So, the Chargers are not alone in that regard.

 

[BoltBacker]

I'm not saying Brady would have won this game, but Brady would have won this game.

How many rings has Brady won since the league made them stop cheating?

HINT: Zero

How many SB's have the donks won since the league made them start cheating?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28969-2004Sep17.html

"the league announced that the Broncos have been fined $950,000 and will lose a third-round selection in next year's draft for circumventing the salary cap between 1996 and '98."

Hmmmmm, 1996-1998. Those years sound familiar for some reason. Why would that be?

 

[BoltBacker]

"I don't know how far San Diego can go, lets forget about that nonsense." -Deion Sanders

Really? The chargers look like one of the top 4-5 teams in the AFC, in my opinion. Would be the best team to miss the playoffs if they don't get in.

Saw that as well. Typical lazy, dismissive analysis. I'm not saying whether SD will go far or not, but they've certainly showed the capability of doing so against Indy, KC, and now Denver. Deion also seemed to gloss over Denver's potential playoff issues.

The Chargers are a spoiler that plays to the level of its competition. There's no guarantee that they beat the oak team that already handled them pretty soundly this year.

The big takeaway from this game isn't that SD are world beaters, it's that this den team isn't anything special..... same as last year. They lose a home game last year by giving up 38 at home in the playoffs and what do they do to fix the problem? They add Wes Welker and lose Elvis Dumervil. Sounds like a franchise run by two QBs. Over his career Manning has launched a thousand fantasy circle jerks but unless he faces Rex Grossman again in the playoffs it's pretty safe to pencil in another playoff pratfall.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The Chargers are 3 plays away from being 10-4. This team is much better than their record shows.

Okay, but I am guessing most teams around the .500 mark could be three games better or worse if you change one play in a bunch of games.

Hell, the Dolphins could be fighting for home field in the AFC if a play or two had gone differently in four or five of their games! Or had a play or two gone differently in four or five of their other games, they could be a contender for the number 1 pick in the draft!

So, the Chargers are not alone in that regard.

yeah, that's absolutely true and why it gets kind of pointless on the hypotheticals.

let's say some team is getting destroyed, like just from memory maybe the first half of the det/gb game on thanksgiving, but gets a bunch of calls, bounces, or whatever you call 'luck' to only lose by a score --- 2 months later you might look back at that game and claim they were 'unlucky' to lose on a play in the final minute, when really they were 'lucky' it was even within reach.

I'm not saying sd couldn't have won more games, but there are a ton of close games in the nfl every week, and winning or losing them is what makes up your record.

 

[Tau837]

The Chargers are 3 plays away from being 10-4. This team is much better than their record shows.

Okay, but I am guessing most teams around the .500 mark could be three games better or worse if you change one play in a bunch of games.

Hell, the Dolphins could be fighting for home field in the AFC if a play or two had gone differently in four or five of their games! Or had a play or two gone differently in four or five of their other games, they could be a contender for the number 1 pick in the draft!

So, the Chargers are not alone in that regard.

yeah, that's absolutely true and why it gets kind of pointless on the hypotheticals.

let's say some team is getting destroyed, like just from memory maybe the first half of the det/gb game on thanksgiving, but gets a bunch of calls, bounces, or whatever you call 'luck' to only lose by a score --- 2 months later you might look back at that game and claim they were 'unlucky' to lose on a play in the final minute, when really they were 'lucky' it was even within reach.

I'm not saying sd couldn't have won more games, but there are a ton of close games in the nfl every week, and winning or losing them is what makes up your record.

A major reason SD lost to Houston this year was an unusual penalty call that the NFL later admitted was incorrect. I certainly think it's reasonable to point out that had that call not been made, they would be 8-6 right now and in position to make the playoffs.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The Chargers are 3 plays away from being 10-4. This team is much better than their record shows.

Okay, but I am guessing most teams around the .500 mark could be three games better or worse if you change one play in a bunch of games.

Hell, the Dolphins could be fighting for home field in the AFC if a play or two had gone differently in four or five of their games! Or had a play or two gone differently in four or five of their other games, they could be a contender for the number 1 pick in the draft!

So, the Chargers are not alone in that regard.

yeah, that's absolutely true and why it gets kind of pointless on the hypotheticals.

let's say some team is getting destroyed, like just from memory maybe the first half of the det/gb game on thanksgiving, but gets a bunch of calls, bounces, or whatever you call 'luck' to only lose by a score --- 2 months later you might look back at that game and claim they were 'unlucky' to lose on a play in the final minute, when really they were 'lucky' it was even within reach.

I'm not saying sd couldn't have won more games, but there are a ton of close games in the nfl every week, and winning or losing them is what makes up your record.

A major reason SD lost to Houston this year was an unusual penalty call that the NFL later admitted was incorrect. I certainly think it's reasonable to point out that had that call not been made, they would be 8-6 right now and in position to make the playoffs.

yeah, I'm sure it had nothing at all to do with the 31 points, 450 yds of offense, and 26 first downs they let up -- it was that one call that screwed them out of their win

 

[belljr]

my penis is going to feel my wrath ill tell you that much

belljr questionable - groin contusion

 

[Tau837]

The Chargers are 3 plays away from being 10-4. This team is much better than their record shows.

Okay, but I am guessing most teams around the .500 mark could be three games better or worse if you change one play in a bunch of games.

Hell, the Dolphins could be fighting for home field in the AFC if a play or two had gone differently in four or five of their games! Or had a play or two gone differently in four or five of their other games, they could be a contender for the number 1 pick in the draft!

So, the Chargers are not alone in that regard.

yeah, that's absolutely true and why it gets kind of pointless on the hypotheticals.

let's say some team is getting destroyed, like just from memory maybe the first half of the det/gb game on thanksgiving, but gets a bunch of calls, bounces, or whatever you call 'luck' to only lose by a score --- 2 months later you might look back at that game and claim they were 'unlucky' to lose on a play in the final minute, when really they were 'lucky' it was even within reach.

I'm not saying sd couldn't have won more games, but there are a ton of close games in the nfl every week, and winning or losing them is what makes up your record.

A major reason SD lost to Houston this year was an unusual penalty call that the NFL later admitted was incorrect. I certainly think it's reasonable to point out that had that call not been made, they would be 8-6 right now and in position to make the playoffs.

yeah, I'm sure it had nothing at all to do with the 31 points, 450 yds of offense, and 26 first downs they let up -- it was that one call that screwed them out of their win

As a matter of fact, that call cost them 4 points. Houston had kicked a 4th quarter FG but the penalty gave them a first down and they scored a TD on the next play. Could they have made other plays to win? Sure. But had the call not happened, they would have won the game. Not sure why you seem to want to be a #### about it.

 

[Ghost Rider]

As a matter of fact, that call cost them 4 points. Houston had kicked a 4th quarter FG but the penalty gave them a first down and they scored a TD on the next play. Could they have made other plays to win? Sure. But had the call not happened, they would have won the game. Not sure why you seem to want to be a #### about it.

There is actually NO WAY to know that because a) the rest of the game plays out differently if the Texans are down by 11 there instead of 7, and b) even if it all plays out the same way, when the Texans are driving at the end for what would have then been the tying or go-ahead score (since we don't know if Houston goes for 2 after the Rivers pick, so it is either 28-23, 28-24 or 28-25 there), I seriously doubt if they were trailing 28-23 or 28-24 with a minute to go when they got to the Chargers 24, the Texans all of a sudden start running the ball to kick a FG so they can lose 28-26 or 28-27.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The Chargers are 3 plays away from being 10-4. This team is much better than their record shows.

Okay, but I am guessing most teams around the .500 mark could be three games better or worse if you change one play in a bunch of games.

Hell, the Dolphins could be fighting for home field in the AFC if a play or two had gone differently in four or five of their games! Or had a play or two gone differently in four or five of their other games, they could be a contender for the number 1 pick in the draft!

So, the Chargers are not alone in that regard.

yeah, that's absolutely true and why it gets kind of pointless on the hypotheticals.

let's say some team is getting destroyed, like just from memory maybe the first half of the det/gb game on thanksgiving, but gets a bunch of calls, bounces, or whatever you call 'luck' to only lose by a score --- 2 months later you might look back at that game and claim they were 'unlucky' to lose on a play in the final minute, when really they were 'lucky' it was even within reach.

I'm not saying sd couldn't have won more games, but there are a ton of close games in the nfl every week, and winning or losing them is what makes up your record.

A major reason SD lost to Houston this year was an unusual penalty call that the NFL later admitted was incorrect. I certainly think it's reasonable to point out that had that call not been made, they would be 8-6 right now and in position to make the playoffs.

yeah, I'm sure it had nothing at all to do with the 31 points, 450 yds of offense, and 26 first downs they let up -- it was that one call that screwed them out of their win

As a matter of fact, that call cost them 4 points. Houston had kicked a 4th quarter FG but the penalty gave them a first down and they scored a TD on the next play. Could they have made other plays to win? Sure. But had the call not happened, they would have won the game. Not sure why you seem to want to be a #### about it.

don't take it personal, sweetness

if a lot of other #### hadn't happened they might have won -- like not giving up 450 yds and 26 first downs.

but I stand corrected on the points -- it's only 27?

oh, and I guess you can shave off the20 extra yds, or whatever, just so you don't have to pms about it.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Keys to beating Denver

Run the ball and cold weather.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Brady sucks. The refs had to cheat for the Pats to beat the Browns at home. So stop comparing Brady to Manning. Brady won't be able to beat that crappy Miami team this week.

Brady is better then Manning, this is a fact. Manning can't win in the cold, this is also a fact.

How is that a fact? You Boston people are funny. This world doesn't revolve around Boston. I will bump this thread just for you. Pats lose this week cause Brady sucks.

LOL Brady sucks. If that was Peyton, he would've scored a TD. Eat your crow to all you Brady NUT-HUGGERS!!!!!

 

[drummer]

Decker/DThomas/Welker which looked pretty good in September, not one of them helped an owner out tonight, just unreal.

Could you stop? You post the most useless crap.

Which of the three did you start?

Demaryius. Why?

You seem... annoyed.

Right because none of us did similar things so the first person he can swipe at to take out his frustrations IS??? Of course.

PatsWillLose this weekend, make sure to check into the game thread, you think I posted too much here, what for the Phins game thread.