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*** San Francisco 49ers *** Aiyuk requests trade. Rookies report to camp today July 16th (2 Viewers)

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We haven't had a new season thread in a while, so let's start fresh with this shiny new 2023 thread, post Jimmy G era. Trey and Purdy time.

Offseason things:

We have like 25 free agents. Lots of decisions to be made. Will go into this more later.

Bosa contract. If it gets done this offseason, look for July-August. It's typically when they do big contracts for their stars (see Deebo, Kittle, Warner, etc).

QB situation: Lance? Purdy? Ahhh, THE most important situation that's gonna be fascinating to watch. I'm sure we will sign a vet, maybe 2 for camp.and depth. Maybe a Bridgewater/Brissett/Dalton type?

We need to upgrade in the trenches. Will McGlinchey be back? Kinlaws final season? Will they get help for Bosa? Pass rush took a step back in 2022, we need to fix that.

Curious to see what Wilks does with this defense. I hear he likes to blitz a lot, which I love to hear. I feel like we're always one of the least blitzing teams, so it'll be interesting to see.

Heres to 2023. Time to reload and give it another go!!!
 
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On to business!

I think the main 2 areas the 49ers need to address are upgrading both the O-line and D-line.

Bosa needs some help for sure. Our pass rush wasn't nearly as good this season as it was in 2021. Hopefully Drake Jackson can take a step forward next season, and don't forget we have Kalia Davis who was on IR all year. He physically reminds me of DJ Jones. Hopefully he can be DJ Jr and be a run stuffer in the middle. Then sign a few rotational guys like we do every year. Kinlaw needs to be gone, he's a complete waste of a roster spot.

Hopefully they upgrade the right side of the line as well, McGlinchey has his moments but is way too inconsistent and gets beat regularly. I haven't looked at player specific pass pro numbers, and I think our O-line was top 5ish in pass pro, we gave up the 5th fewest sacks in the league, but we need a solid anchor on the right.

Upgrading the trenches is what's gonna put us over the top IMO. Priority #1 and #2.

If we resign Moseley we will be good in the secondary, and I think Gipson comes back. Jimmy Ward is good as gone IMO, maybe Lenior moves to slot corner if Moseley comes back.

I'm wondering what Shanahan is thinking about Eli Mitchell. Dude is made of glass. We've got a full RB room, but dammit let's use all of them next season!

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Reply from @thecatch

This is from one of Barrows's recent articles at the Athletic:

Quarterback pressures

• McGlinchey 36
• Banks 35
• Williams 19
• Burford 18
• Brunskill 14
• Brendel 14
• Moore 8
• Hance 2
• McKivitz 1

So it wasn't just McGlinchey that wasn't great in protection; Banks at LG and the RG rotation (Brunskill and Burford) need to get better as well. At least Banks and Burford are young and improvement should be expected. They really need to bring Brendel back. McGlinchey presents an interesting problem. The team may not be able to afford to bring him back, and there probably aren't going to be any upgrades available in FA in their price range, or in the draft where they are picking. Odds are the situation at RT is worse next year rather than better.

I think we know that one of the team's third round comp picks is going to be used on a RB even though it is the position of least need on the roster.
 
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A lot of Eagle fans saying theyre having a hard time with the loss, saying it was gut wrenching, tough to accept, hate losing like that, if it werent for that one play....etc etc

Welcome to the club. Same way a lot of 49er fans felt 2 weeks ago. Its not fun when you feel like you were robbed of a fighting chance, whether its because of injury, penalty, bad call, or whatever.

That said, the sting of the loss vs the Eagles 2 weeks ago is completely gone. Ready to watch the 49ers go scorched earth next season and bring the Lombardi back to The Bay.
 
49ers 3rd best odds to win Super Bowl LVIII in 2024 at DraftKings


Despite losing the Assistant Coach of the Year, the 49ers have the third-highest odds to win the Super Bowl in 2024 on DraftKings Sportsbook:

Chiefs +600
Bills +700
49ers +800
Bengals +900
Eagles +900
Cowboys +1400
Chargers +2200
Ravens +2200

Vegas knows about every uncertainty on the 49ers roster, yet, believes they’re one of the three best contenders in the NFL.

The 49ers also have 3rd best odds at BETMGM, who released their opening odds last week.
 
Doubt McGlinchey is back. He would have to take a fairly large pay cut. He says he wants to stay but somebody will pay him more than he's worth.

Maybe time to restructure some contracts and sign a top FA tackle. Not having a pick until the end of round 3 is an issue as far as fixing the problem this year in the draft. Why, oh why didn't they grab Wirfs when he fell to them in 2020? :wall:

Not crazy about Brendel but was servicable this year and should be pretty cheap.
 
Doubt McGlinchey is back. He would have to take a fairly large pay cut. He says he wants to stay but somebody will pay him more than he's worth.

Maybe time to restructure some contracts and sign a top FA tackle. Not having a pick until the end of round 3 is an issue as far as fixing the problem this year in the draft. Why, oh why didn't they grab Wirfs when he fell to them in 2020? :wall:

Not crazy about Brendel but was servicable this year and should be pretty cheap.

I dunno...they seem to like McTurnstile for some reason. He's not bad but he's too inconsistent.

I thunk both Brendel and Brunskill will be back. Brendel was better than I expected, and Brunskill can play any position on the OL, and they like that flexibility so I don't see him going anywhere and he should be cheap to keep.


I wonder if we will make a trade of some sort to get some day 1 draft capital. It's either that or trade a bunch of 3rd round picks to move up.

I'll grab a list of Free Agents and post it in a bit.
 

The following San Francisco 49ers players are set to hit free agency. Restricted free agents are noted with the abbreviation RFA

  • LB Azeez Al-Shaair
  • C Jake Brendel
  • OT Daniel Brunskill
  • TE Ross Dwelley
  • DE Samson Ebukam
  • LB Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles (RFA)
  • QB Jimmy Garoppolo
  • FS Tashaun Gipson
  • DT Kevin Givens (RFA)
  • K Robbie Gould
  • DT Maurice Hurst
  • DE Kerry Hyder
  • QB Josh Johnson
  • TE Tyler Kroft
  • RT Mike McGlinchey
  • OT Colton McKivitz (RFA)
  • FS Tarvarius Moore
  • CB Emmanuel Moseley
  • DE Charles Omenihu
  • LS Taybor Pepper
  • DT Hassan Ridgeway
  • DT Akeem Spence
  • CB Jason Verrett
  • FS Jimmie Ward
  • DE Jordan Willis
 
Doubt McGlinchey is back. He would have to take a fairly large pay cut. He says he wants to stay but somebody will pay him more than he's worth.

Maybe time to restructure some contracts and sign a top FA tackle. Not having a pick until the end of round 3 is an issue as far as fixing the problem this year in the draft. Why, oh why didn't they grab Wirfs when he fell to them in 2020? :wall:

Not crazy about Brendel but was servicable this year and should be pretty cheap.

I dunno...they seem to like McTurnstile for some reason. He's not bad but he's too inconsistent.

I thunk both Brendel and Brunskill will be back. Brendel was better than I expected, and Brunskill can play any position on the OL, and they like that flexibility so I don't see him going anywhere and he should be cheap to keep.


I wonder if we will make a trade of some sort to get some day 1 draft capital. It's either that or trade a bunch of 3rd round picks to move up.

I'll grab a list of Free Agents and post it in a bit.
McGlinchey is what he is. A very good run blocker and a below average pass blocker. KC was able to win the game yesterday because the Philly edge rushers couldn't get pressure. Niners need to spend the money to fix that very large hole in their pass protection. Orlando Brown would be expensive, but would defnitely fix the issue. If they are going to get past Philly next year, they need to improve in pass protection. Do it Lynch!

They absolutely need to bring back Brunskill. I'm OK with Brendel if they spend money on a RT.
 
Long but interesting article on how the team can create a ton of cap space thru restructuring.


Breaking down how 49ers could handle top free agents:

As it stands, per OverTheCap, the 49ers have $4.14 million in effective cap space. While there are 47 players signed with roughly $8 million in cap space, the cap counts against the top 51 players on the roster, which effective cap space accounts for. This number also takes into account the projected $8.5 million the 49ers will have to budget for their rookie draft class.

While the prospect of a Bosa extension sounds impossible if you look at those numbers, it’s actually a short-term cap benefit. When players sign extensions, at least in the 49ers’ case recently, they almost always lower their first-year cap hit.

Bosa is due $17.86 million next season, the cost of his fifth-year option. When he signs an extension, likely around $30 million per year, that number will drop substantially. Let’s say it drops $10 million. That gives the 49ers $18 million in cap space.

Christian McCaffrey is also due $12 million in each of the next three years. None of that is guaranteed. While he is clearly worth that amount, he may well take a yearly decrease in favor of guaranteed money. It’s likely that his cap figure decreases, too, unless the 49ers don’t want to guarantee him money in the future.

Let’s say the 49ers create $6 million in space with an extension/restructure for McCaffrey. That’s $24 million in cap space.

They could also create little bits of space, around $1 million each, by cutting Ambry Thomas or Charlie Woerner. There’s not much indication they’re going to do that.

There’s plenty of money that could be created with restructures. The following players could create substantial space (number in parenthesis the amount that could be saved next season):

  • Trent Williams ($13.75 million)
  • Arik Armstead ($11.12 million)
  • Charvarius Ward ($9.44 million)
  • Fred Warner ($8.96 million)
  • George Kittle ($8 million)
You can be sure the team will restructure some of the money in these contracts and exploit “void years” which essentially allow for teams to create free money in the short term that’s paid at the end of a contract.

Jimmie Ward will count for $6.4 million next season because of void years.

So here’s the situation for the 49ers. Right now there are only about 33 players signed for next season (out of 47) that contributed or were on the roster for most of last season.

Let’s say they create something in the neighborhood of $38 million in cap space, needing to use that money on another 20 roster-quality players, 18 of whom will count against the cap.

Assume that eight of their slated 10 draft picks make the roster (8/9 picks made the roster or were on an inactive list in ’22, 8/8 picks made the roster in ’21, 4/5 made the roster in ’20, with Jauan Jennings re-signed later, 8/8 picks made the roster or were on an inactive list in ’19).

That’s about 10-12 capable players the 49ers need to sign.

We can assume they re-sign some free agents who were back-end contributors and are unlikely to be major commodities given age, performance, and/or injury.

Let’s assume they bring back a few cheap-ish players like Colton McKivitz, Kevin Givens, Taybor Pepper, Kerry Hyder Jr., Maurice Hurst, Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles and T.Y. McGill for slightly above the minimum, all less than or around $2 million. Call that $12 million.

So, $38 or so million, minus $12 million for some known commodities at the back end. That leaves $26 million and needing roughly six key contributors.

More money, of course, can be created with restructures, but let’s take that $26 million figure for now. Keep in mind teams want to keep around $5 million or so heading into the season as a buffer for signing, mid-season activations and so on.
 
There's a new head coach in the division as Cardinals hire former Eagle defensive coordinator Jonathan Gannon.

Eagles fans seem happy he's gone. Sounds like a GREAT hire...for the rest of the NFC West! 🤣

Good luck working with Kyler.
 
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49ers' 2023 Opponents


I'll be going to the games in Pittsburgh and in Jacksonville. :headbang:

A total of 9 away games and 8 home games next season. We play the entire NFC East and AFC North, and same division finish vs the Jags, Vikes, and Bucs. Five of our away games are in the Eastern Time Zone.

We should get 5 prime time games again, which is the max allowed. PHI, BAL, CIN, DAL, and SEA under the lights would be awesome.

Home:

Arizona Cardinals
Los Angeles Rams
Seattle Seahawks
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Away:
Arizona Cardinals
Los Angeles Rams
Seattle Seahawks
Philadelphia Eagles *
Washington Commanders *
Cleveland Browns *
Pittsburgh Steelers *
Minnesota Vikings
Jacksonville Jaguars *

* - Eastern Time Zone

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49ers' 2023 Opponents


I'll be going to the games in Pittsburgh and in Jacksonville. :headbang:

A total of 9 away games and 8 home games next season. We play the entire NFC East and AFC North, and same division finish vs the Jags, Vikes, and Bucs. Five of our away games are in the Eastern Time Zone.

We should get 5 prime time games again, which is the max allowed. PHI, BAL, CIN, DAL, and SEA under the lights would be awesome .

Home:

Arizona Cardinals, Win
Los Angeles Rams Win
Seattle Seahawks Win
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants Win
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Tampa Bay Buccaneers Win

Away:

Arizona Cardinals Win
Los Angeles Rams Win
Seattle Seahawks Win
Philadelphia Eagles *
Washington Commanders * Win
Cleveland Browns * Win
Pittsburgh Steelers * Win
Minnesota Vikings Win
Jacksonville Jaguars * Win

* - Eastern Time Zone
Homerism aside, I see 13 games that they should win based on being the clear better team. I think they are also better than the Cowboys and Ravens and those games are at home, but wouldn't be surprised if they lost to either team. Bengals and Eagles are tough of course. Assuming good health at the QB position, I think they win 13-14 games this year, calculating an upset or two
 
Pretty good read, it reminds us to appreciate and enjoy the ride.

How do you find closure for a season that will always leave you wondering "What if?"

Link
 

49ers' 2023 Opponents


I'll be going to the games in Pittsburgh and in Jacksonville. :headbang:

A total of 9 away games and 8 home games next season. We play the entire NFC East and AFC North, and same division finish vs the Jags, Vikes, and Bucs. Five of our away games are in the Eastern Time Zone.

We should get 5 prime time games again, which is the max allowed. PHI, BAL, CIN, DAL, and SEA under the lights would be awesome.

Home:

Arizona Cardinals
Los Angeles Rams
Seattle Seahawks
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Away:
Arizona Cardinals
Los Angeles Rams
Seattle Seahawks
Philadelphia Eagles *
Washington Commanders *
Cleveland Browns *
Pittsburgh Steelers *
Minnesota Vikings
Jacksonville Jaguars *

* - Eastern Time Zone

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My only concern is that it looks like a pretty soft schedule on paper for a first place team. We saw how that bit the Eagles.
 
My only concern is that it looks like a pretty soft schedule on paper for a first place team. We saw how that bit the Eagles.

Not entirely our fault the Rams, Seahawks and Cardinals suck, although we do help them achieve that status.
 
Important NFL offseason dates

Feb 27th- Scouting Combine
March 15th- Free Agency
April 17th- Offseason Workout Programs
April 27th-29th NFL Draft
May 5th or May 12th Rookie Mini Camp
May 12th- NFL Schedule release
Late May- OTAs
Late July- Training Camp
 
49ers QB sack rate (Shanahan era) per Lombardi.

Lower is obviously better. Pre-ACL, freewheeling Garoppolo has been the best of the Shanahan era at avoiding sacks. He improved again in 2022. Nick Mullens also did a solid job avoiding sacks. Too much efficiency lost on giveaways for him, though

2017
Hoyer: 7.0%
Beathard: 7.8%
Garoppolo: 4.3%

2018
Garoppolo: 12.7%
Beathard: 9.6%
Mullens: 5.8%

2019
Garoppolo: 7.0%

2020
Garoppolo: 7.3%
Mullens: 5.5%
Beathard: 8.0%

2021
Lance : 5.3%
Garoppolo: 6.2%

2022
Lance: 6.1%
Garoppolo: 5.5%
Purdy: 6.1%
 
Watching new Cardinals head coach Jonothan Gannon talk on NFL Network.

"I dont have a scheme. I don't believe in a scheme. We're gonna look different week to week" 😆

I give this guy 2 years tops.
 
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Nine 49ers players who PFF ranked among the top 10 in their position groups (6 are top 3)​


T Williams #1 of 81 (97.1 grade)

Warner #2 of 81 (86.7 grade, 2nd to Bobby Wagner)

McCaffrey #2 of 60 (90.4 grade, 2nd to Josh Jacobs)

Kittle #2 of 73 (84.7 grade, 2nd to Kelce)

Juszczyk #2 of 6 (62.6 grade, 2nd to Ricard)

Bosa #3 of 120 (90.6 grade, behind Garrett and Parsons)

C Ward #6 of 118 (81.0 grade)

J Ward #6 of 89 (80.6 grade)

Greenlaw #9 of 81 (79.6 grade)

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articl...layers-who-ranked-among-position-groups/#7870
 
Don’t hold your breath waiting on the 49ers to re-sign Mike McGlinchey.

NBC Sports’ Matt Maiocco joined Murph & Mac on Thursday, saying he doesn’t think the 49ers will be able to re-sign McGlinchey because of a likely high price tag.

“I think he’s gonna be a tough one to re-sign,” Maiocco said. “I think people are going to be shocked… I’ve been saying this for a while and people came down on me. He’s going to get a huge contract.

“My anticipation is that, of this free agent class of the 49ers, Jimmy Garoppolo will get the most money average per year and then No. 2 will be Mike McGlinchey. We’re talking $14, 15, 16 million a year.

Is that worth it to the 49ers when you have so many other high-priced guys? I don’t think so.

I think he will be too rich for the 49ers’ blood considering everything else they have to deal with and other spots they have to fill and rising salaries. I mentioned Nick Bosa’s contract earlier. Brandon Aiyuk is eligible for a new contract.

They pretty much have drafted two offensive linemen every year for a while and I think it’s time to see who takes it. Is it Colton McKivitz? Is it Jaylon Moore? I’m sure they’ll add another offensive lineman or two in this upcoming draft. They do have 10 picks.

You have to make difficult decisions. You have to cut costs strategically and I think that that would be a spot where McGlinchey is going to get the kind of deal where the 49ers probably are less inclined to serve up to him at this point."

https://www.knbr.com/2023/02/16/matt-maiocco-breaks-down-future-of-free-agent-mike-mcglinchey/
 
Good hire.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1626355017069346816?s=20

The 49ers are hiring Klint Kubiak to a top role on Kyle Shanahan’s offensive staff, replacing Bobby Slowik, per sources.

Kubiak, the former Vikings OC and Broncos QB coach, steps into a spot that has been a promotion factory, with Slowik most recently becoming Houston’s OC.

The 49ers are set to have two Kubiak brothers on their coaching staff: Klint and Klay.

Both sons of Gary Kubiak, the 49ers’ QB coach in 1994 (the last time they won a Super Bowl) and then OC under Mike Shanahan in Denver.

Klay was SF assistant QB coach last season
 
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Mike McGlinchey's Pass-Blocking Efficiency (among all Offensive Tackles)

2018: 43rd
2019: 37th
2020: 39th
2021: N/A (too few snaps)
2022: 30th
 
Don’t hold your breath waiting on the 49ers to re-sign Mike McGlinchey.

NBC Sports’ Matt Maiocco joined Murph & Mac on Thursday, saying he doesn’t think the 49ers will be able to re-sign McGlinchey because of a likely high price tag.

“I think he’s gonna be a tough one to re-sign,” Maiocco said. “I think people are going to be shocked… I’ve been saying this for a while and people came down on me. He’s going to get a huge contract.

“My anticipation is that, of this free agent class of the 49ers, Jimmy Garoppolo will get the most money average per year and then No. 2 will be Mike McGlinchey. We’re talking $14, 15, 16 million a year.

Is that worth it to the 49ers when you have so many other high-priced guys? I don’t think so.

I think he will be too rich for the 49ers’ blood considering everything else they have to deal with and other spots they have to fill and rising salaries. I mentioned Nick Bosa’s contract earlier. Brandon Aiyuk is eligible for a new contract.

They pretty much have drafted two offensive linemen every year for a while and I think it’s time to see who takes it. Is it Colton McKivitz? Is it Jaylon Moore? I’m sure they’ll add another offensive lineman or two in this upcoming draft. They do have 10 picks.

You have to make difficult decisions. You have to cut costs strategically and I think that that would be a spot where McGlinchey is going to get the kind of deal where the 49ers probably are less inclined to serve up to him at this point."

https://www.knbr.com/2023/02/16/matt-maiocco-breaks-down-future-of-free-agent-mike-mcglinchey/
Mike McGlinchey's Pass-Blocking Efficiency (among all Offensive Tackles)

2018: 43rd
2019: 37th
2020: 39th
2021: N/A (too few snaps)
2022: 30th
Paying a premium price for average to below-average output is the folly of free agency. The best teams lock up their core players. McGlinchey is not a core player. His play can be reproduced through multiple avenues at a much lower price point. The key for the 49ers to hit on their bets to replace him. Seattle started a rookie RT so it can be done.
 
Mike McGlinchey's Pass-Blocking Efficiency (among all Offensive Tackles)

2018: 43rd
2019: 37th
2020: 39th
2021: N/A (too few snaps)
2022: 30th
30th is not bad when combined with really good run blocking. And they’ll miss him just like they missed Tomlinson this year. He’s not someone they can or should spend a ton of money on given the rest of the talent on their roster they need to pay, though.
 
The 49ers have had a QB start every game in a season just five times since 2006 and just once since 2014. The only QBs were:

Alex Smith (2006, 2011)
Kaepernick: (2013, 2014)
Garoppolo: (2019)

That's absolutely ridiculous.
 
Not good. He's not gonna be ready for the start of the season for sure.

49ers QB Brock Purdy’s elbow surgery postponed due to ongoing swelling​



NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero first reported the news. Here’s what you need to know:

  • Purdy was slated to undergo surgery on Feb. 22, The Athletic reported on Feb. 8.
  • Dr. Keith Meister, the team physician for the Texas Rangers, will perform Purdy’s surgery. Meister has an extensive background in performing elbow/UCL surgeries, which are much more common in baseball.
  • Meister recommended that Purdy wait to do the operation after seeing the QB on Tuesday, and they will meet again in early March, the team source confirmed.
 
Per Pelissero:

The best outcome for the so-called internal brace surgery comes once inflammation is gone and range of motion is back. Delaying surgery doesn’t change the timeline much, so this is the prudent course of action to make sure Purdy returns at 100%.


I'm not sure I understand. How does delaying surgery not change the time line?
It has to - it’s a 6-month recovery (assuming no reconstruction, AKA “Tommy John”) - so that’s 6 months from the time of surgery.

The timeline will necessarily move forward with the surgery.

I’ve been listening to the guest doctor on 95.7 the game, who’s been very clear about this point.

That was prior to this news, but he was saying they would have to wait for the elbow to calm down, and every day delays recovery.

I think “much” is the key word here. e.g. a couple weeks might not be considered “changing the timeline much”, while literally it’s a couple weeks.
 
Per Pelissero:

The best outcome for the so-called internal brace surgery comes once inflammation is gone and range of motion is back. Delaying surgery doesn’t change the timeline much, so this is the prudent course of action to make sure Purdy returns at 100%.


I'm not sure I understand. How does delaying surgery not change the time line?
Yeah, I don't know, maybe he meant it won't affect the total recovery time.

I'm starting to think we won't see Brock next season, either because they get in there and end up doing Tommy John surgery, or because of setbacks in recovery. The 49ers are just cursed at QB for whatever reason.
 
Per Pelissero:

The best outcome for the so-called internal brace surgery comes once inflammation is gone and range of motion is back. Delaying surgery doesn’t change the timeline much, so this is the prudent course of action to make sure Purdy returns at 100%.


I'm not sure I understand. How does delaying surgery not change the time line?
Yeah, I don't know, maybe he meant it won't affect the total recovery time.

I'm starting to think we won't see Brock next season, either because they get in there and end up doing Tommy John surgery, or because of setbacks in recovery. The 49ers are just cursed at QB for whatever reason.
The more time passes, the more likelihood Purdy at least ends up on the PUP to start the season. I'm sure the 6 month timeline is a general guideline - doesn't mean that after exactly 6 months elapses, Purdy is going to be on the field and ready to rock. Could be 5 for all we know, but I imagine any team would try to be conservative. Lance just better be ready for another opportunity handed to him.
 
Per Pelissero:

The best outcome for the so-called internal brace surgery comes once inflammation is gone and range of motion is back. Delaying surgery doesn’t change the timeline much, so this is the prudent course of action to make sure Purdy returns at 100%.


I'm not sure I understand. How does delaying surgery not change the time line?
Yeah, I don't know, maybe he meant it won't affect the total recovery time.

I'm starting to think we won't see Brock next season, either because they get in there and end up doing Tommy John surgery, or because of setbacks in recovery. The 49ers are just cursed at QB for whatever reason.
The more time passes, the more likelihood Purdy at least ends up on the PUP to start the season. I'm sure the 6 month timeline is a general guideline - doesn't mean that after exactly 6 months elapses, Purdy is going to be on the field and ready to rock. Could be 5 for all we know, but I imagine any team would try to be conservative. Lance just better be ready for another opportunity handed to him.
Hate to see a set back to a young player in real life not fantasy football. That being said I have Lance and hopes he goes off. I still think he will. I can't wait to find out.
 
Lance just better be ready for another opportunity handed to him.
He’s reportedly about 2 weeks away from being ready to practice. To what extent I’m not sure, but it sounded like the all-clear.

One other consideration that NFL teams make that FF managers often don’t is the investment.

It’s not so much an opportunities “handed to him” - he was specifically drafted for this opportunity. He entered last season as the presumed starter because he has the draft equity behind him. The 49ers paid a ton for him. They want him to be the starter.

Purdy was a great story - I love the kid. He was incredibly fun to root for as a 49ers fan. I’m honestly not sure what it would take for Lance to lose the starting gig if he begins the year as a starter. As I’d suggested earlier in the topic, if he comes out and plays well (competently, above average, however we’re defining it) I don’t see the 49ers pivoting back to Purdy without cause.

If Lance stinks, it’ll be an easy decision. As soon as Purdy is ready the job will be his.

There’s a very real opportunity for Lance to take the job and run with it though - and based on the investment I have to believe that’s what the 49ers FO wants.

Then who knows - do you deal Purdy? Keep him as a cheap backup?

Gonna be fascinating to see it unfold. Personally I’m rooting for my team to be good, however that happens. But as a Lance shareholder I’d obviously love to see him play at a high level and keep the job.
 
How Brock Purdy injury news could impact 49ers offseason QB plan

Head coach Kyle Shanahan indicated in his end-of-season press conference that the team was comfortable going into the season with Purdy and Trey Lance as the top two QBs, and that a third veteran QB wouldn’t be a high-profile player.

“The best available that can fit into the structure of our team and the salary cap and all that, but the best one available,” Shanahan said of the QB they’ll be looking to add.

That could be all out the window with the latest on Purdy’s injury.

If his timeline is pushed into the end of camp or the start of the regular season, then the team would have to determine whether they want a QB to compete with Lance. In that case they may need to aim higher than they were originally planning for that third quarterback.

This would also be true if Purdy’s injury requires a reconstruction instead of a repair. Doctors won’t know exactly which surgery the QB needs until they get a look at the actual ligament. The reconstruction would put him on 9-to-12 month timeline for return, which exacerbates the conundrum of what to do with a third QB.

Time was originally going to be on the team’s side. Now with Purdy and his doctors not reconvening until early March, things could get complicated.

The legal negotiating window for free agency opens March 13. If the team doesn’t know by then the exact timeline for Purdy’s return, they’ll have to make a decision on another QB without knowing how much they’ll need him. The 49ers would still want “the best available that can fit into the structure of our team and the salary cap and all that,” like Shanahan said, only the structure of their team would look different.

A major elbow injury for a QB in the NFC championship game was never going to be easy to deal with, but the original path for Purdy’s return is now a little murkier, and clarity may not come until the 49ers have to act on a new plan.
 
Fascinating stuff.

Was Brock Purdy’s emergence predictable? S2 Cognition test has pointed to NFL success

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If you watched Brock Purdy at last year’s NFL Scouting Combine, you would have seen a quarterback with below-average height, a merely adequate arm and foot speed that, while good, didn’t separate him from the pack.

The test he absolutely aced — and one that predicted his brilliant rookie season for the 49ers — was administered out of public view. Purdy landed in the mid 90s on something called the S2 Cognition test, a score you might consider Drew Brees-like. Which is to say, it’s elite.

The S2 isn’t an intelligence test like the 50-question Wonderlic exam but rather measures how quickly and accurately athletes process information. It’s like the 40-yard dash for the brain.

”The game will never be too fast for Brock, I’ll say that,” said Brandon Ally, a neuroscientist and cofounder of Nashville-based S2 Cognition. “I don’t think he’ll ever have trouble adjusting.”

The exam lasts 40 to 45 minutes. It’s performed on a specially designed gaming laptop and response pad that can record reactions in two milliseconds. To put that in perspective, an eye blink lasts 100 to 150 milliseconds.

In one section of the exam, a series of diamonds flash on the screen for 16 milliseconds each. Every diamond is missing a point, and the test taker must determine — using left, right, up or down keys — which part is missing.

In another, the test seeks to find out how many objects an athlete can keep track of at the same time. In another, there are 22 figures on the screen and the athlete must locate a specific one as quickly as possible. The object might be a red triangle embedded in other shapes that are also red.

“We’re talking about things they have to perceive on the screen within 16/1,000th of a second, which is essentially subliminal and which scientific literature says you shouldn’t be able to process,”

He couldn’t give out Purdy’s exact score because it’s privileged information but said it was in the “mid 90s.” That’s about where Brees, the former Saints quarterback famous for lightning-fast decision-making, scored and where two of the top passers in the league now, the Chiefs’ Patrick Mahomes and the Bills’ Josh Allen, also landed. The Bengals’ Joe Burrow took the test while at LSU and agreed to allow S2 to disclose the information. Of course he did — he scored in the 97th percentile.

“We consider anything above the 80th percentile to be elite"

For decades the NFL used the Wonderlic to measure intelligence. The questions start out easy — What’s the eighth month of the year?, for example — and get progressively more difficult. Most people can’t finish the 12-minute exam. While a high Wonderlic score suggests a quarterback knows how to study and will remember the playbook, it doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll hold up well against a zero blitz.

Brees is a good example. He got a 28 on the Wonderlic, which is very good, but not superior. His S2 score, meanwhile, was exceptional. Ally said the cognition test not only can forecast whether a quarterback will be successful in the NFL, it comes close to predicting the quarterback’s career passer rating.

The company recently looked at 27 starting quarterbacks. (Some of the older veterans like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers had entered the league before S2 began testing in 2015 and there are no scores for them; Brees took the test while already playing in the NFL.) Of that group, 13 had a career passer rating above 90. The average S2 score of those players was the 91st percentile. Those with passer ratings below 90 had much lower test results. "Those 14 guys, the average score was in the low 60s,”

According to Ally, the 49ers quarterback did particularly well in three areas. One of them was spatial awareness, which translates in several aspects of the game, including how well a quarterback can assess a defense before the snap.

Another area in which Purdy excelled was distraction control.

“Those are the guys — and Drew Brees was one of those — who, the pocket, the world could be collapsing around them and they can just maintain that steely focus on what they’re supposed to be doing,” Ally said.

Finally, Purdy was especially impressive when it came to depth perception speed.

“He was in some pretty elite company,” Ally said. “I mean, he was in the high 90s on that.”

As for the 49ers’ other young quarterback, Trey Lance? Ally couldn’t reveal the exact number but said Lance scored well. "He’s not in the Brock Purdy range but he didn’t score poorly,” he said
 
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Fun fact of the day:

The comp pick that the 49ers received for losing C.J. Beathard (who just re-signed with Jacksonville) was #262 of the 2022 draft.

SF used that pick on Brock Purdy.
 
If you guys could sign Derek Carr to a relatively team-friendly deal and then flip Trey Lance (with a post-June-1st designation) for a 1st rounder plus maybe a third or a fourth; or something like two 2nds, would you do it? I ask b/c I actually think Shanahan could do wonders with Carr inserted into your existing offense.

POST-6/1 TRADE (Lance)
2023 Dead Cap: $5,540,959
2024 Dead Cap: $5,540,959
2023 Cap Savings: $3,760,480
 
If you guys could sign Derek Carr to a relatively team-friendly deal and then flip Trey Lance (with a post-June-1st designation) for a 1st rounder plus maybe a third or a fourth; or something like two 2nds, would you do it? I ask b/c I actually think Shanahan could do wonders with Carr inserted into your existing offense.

POST-6/1 TRADE (Lance)
2023 Dead Cap: $5,540,959
2024 Dead Cap: $5,540,959
2023 Cap Savings: $3,760,480
No because there is zero reason or chance they would trade Lance. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
 
If you guys could sign Derek Carr to a relatively team-friendly deal and then flip Trey Lance (with a post-June-1st designation) for a 1st rounder plus maybe a third or a fourth; or something like two 2nds, would you do it? I ask b/c I actually think Shanahan could do wonders with Carr inserted into your existing offense.

POST-6/1 TRADE (Lance)
2023 Dead Cap: $5,540,959
2024 Dead Cap: $5,540,959
2023 Cap Savings: $3,760,480
Reported today that Carr is looking for $35M per year, so….
 
If you guys could sign Derek Carr to a relatively team-friendly deal and then flip Trey Lance (with a post-June-1st designation) for a 1st rounder plus maybe a third or a fourth; or something like two 2nds, would you do it? I ask b/c I actually think Shanahan could do wonders with Carr inserted into your existing offense.

POST-6/1 TRADE (Lance)
2023 Dead Cap: $5,540,959
2024 Dead Cap: $5,540,959
2023 Cap Savings: $3,760,480
No because there is zero reason or chance they would trade Lance. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
As previously mentioned in other topics, Lance costs the 49ers $20M if they release him, and $9M if he’s on the roster in 2023.
 

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