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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Maybe, but I doubt they traded all those draft choices and took on all that money just to use him as a decoy. You are right about the better offense, went from a team whose team total is 13 points to one that's 23 points this week.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I think the Rams show both the upside and downside of pushing the chips in and trading a bunch of picks for players. Doing so can definitely help you win a SB which is ultimately all that matters. But you also risk seriously crippling your future, possibly even right away. It worked for LA to take their shot and it could certainly work for SF too. But there’s also a ton of risk and if you don’t win it all it could look like a bad gamble. Huge risk, huge reward.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He's not going to contribute much this week.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Yes he will. I bet a Parlay that had the Chiefs involved in it. So now that McCaffrey is here he's going to totally bone me on this bet and go effing wild on the Chiefs.
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
No, I wouldnt say a decoy. but more mouths to feed so to speak. I could see similar production with less volume I suppose.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Welcome to the last 33 pages.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Speaking now, #Panthers GM Scott Fitterer says there were three hard offers for RB Christian McCaffrey.
"A couple of teams didn't have first-round picks ... so it complicated it. We had to figure out: what's the equivalent of a first-round pick."
"Two teams were pretty serious, went back and forth with them. It got to the point where we thought this is what was best of the organization."
"It was close, but San Francisco won out." and Carolina got what was equivalent to a late 1st round pick
"A couple of teams didn't have first-round picks ... so it complicated it. We had to figure out: what's the equivalent of a first-round pick."
"Two teams were pretty serious, went back and forth with them. It got to the point where we thought this is what was best of the organization."
"It was close, but San Francisco won out." and Carolina got what was equivalent to a late 1st round pick
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don’t think it hurts Deebo at all. They’ll get both in the backfield or split both out wide or have formations with Aiyuk, Deebo, & CMC all lined up on one side, etc. They’re going to scheme the heck out of him, and JimmyG is going to dump off to him a ton.
This is going to be a dangerous offense. CMC will help them get 1st downs. More conversions = more stats for all the 49ers offensive players. That whole offense gets a bump, IMO.’
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Just expect a lot of Deebo in backfield and CMC motioning to the slot, vice versa, a lot of trickery, misdirection, etc… you know, stuff that Pop Warner coaches implement in the playbook. That’s what I foresee with this move.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Shanny does that already - it’s just one more elite piece to play with.
And it’s going to be a hell of a lot of fun to watch.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
They’re both gonna line up in the backfield, we’re gonna fake a handoff to the right with CMC, screen Deebo out left to confuse the defense, and then come back to CMC on the right.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
He’s just so predictable, that’s my problem with him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don’t see that at all. They get a lot of chunk plays causing confusion with that pre-snap motion stuff. They create mismatches & get the LBs over their skis trying to figure out who’s getting the ball.
This will only elevate that further.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
We’re gonna have both in backfield, defense keyed in on the two of them, and a QB who won’t even see Kittle 40 yards up the field uncovered, and if he does, his arm sucks so bad, the defense will be able to recover.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
IMO Kittle’s groin is what held him back the first month. He was a decoy. It’s not that Jimmy didn’t see him. 49ers just didn’t want to use him while he was nursing the injury.
He’s looking spry again. He had nice usage last week. I expect his numbers to rise moving forward. Especially now that CMC is in the fold.
His presence opens up everything. He demands coverage. Someone good is going to be wide open at all times.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not gonna lie - I want this shirt.
Wingnut
Footballguy
New 49ers’ RB Christian McCaffrey has played in exactly 65 career games, including the playoffs. Among players with 65 games played all-time, only Hall of Famers Jim Brown, Terrell Davis and Barry Sanders averaged more scrimmage yards per game than McCaffrey, per @EpKap.
Brown 142.2
Davis 118.1
Sanders 117.5
McCaffrey 113.7
Brown 142.2
Davis 118.1
Sanders 117.5
McCaffrey 113.7
Thinking on it more, my biggest problem is just that I don't think this team is close enough to contending to justify this kind of all-in trade. They've lost to 3 mediocre or worse teams and odds are they'll be 3-4 after this weekend. I just don't see them as being serious threats to come out of the NFC given the health of the defense and the talent on the OL (+ all Jimmy G's well-documented shortcomings). Hope they prove me wrong. I do agree with others (and others' kids) that they should at least be a more interesting product to watch, even if I think the trade is a product of reckless asset management.
Wingnut
Footballguy
You're out of your mind. Defense alone makes them a contender (with Bosa and C Ward healthy). As far as offense, Wilson/Coleman/Price doesn't scare anyone even though Wilson has looked good. Mitchell is still a few weeks away and who knows how he's gonna look the first game or so back.
The loss to Chicago is a throwaway given Lance's first start and the weather. Just bad luck. Losing to Atlanta was mostly because our defense was decimated and we couldn't run the ball. As for Denver....Russ made a deal with the devil to own SF, it is what it is.
Getting Trent back is huge for the offense, and now we have a legit pass catching RB. You can say he's gonna get injured all you want, but nobody has a crystal ball, and he hasn't missed a game yet this year.
If CMC does stay healthy, SF just punched their ticket to late January.
I appreciate the passion.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Good luck with that.
massraider
Footballguy
Crazy price to pay
Wingnut
Footballguy
So much birterness.
Way to put in work to reinforce my point. They needed to do something. I guess some fans are fine with a team resting on their laurels and saying "Yeah, we're fine with Wilson/Coleman. Why bother rolling the dice to try to get better?". I'm not one of them. If we don't get him, the Rams do. F that noise.
McCaf is one of 3 players in NFL history with 1000 rush and 1000 rec yards in the same season. Yeah me missed almost one full season and half of another, but the production potential is just too great, the cost isn't crazy, and we still have draft capital.
Everyone knows it's risky, but I'd rather my team take a swing than sit back and watch the rest of the division make moves to try and get better while we sit and twiddle our thumbs.
Wingnut
Footballguy
How so? We gave up a 2nd but still have 3rd, 5ths, and 7ths, and will prob get compensatory picks before the draft. He will cost around 600k this season, and Marathe will work his magic with the contract after that.
A lot of people are stuck on the idea that he's costing a ton and that isn't the case.
Nothing I wrote suggests bitterness. This whole attitude that if you don't love every move, you are bitter, a hater, not a real fan, etc., is beneath you.
So much birterness.
Way to put in work to reinforce my point. They needed to do something. I guess some fans are fine with a team resting on their laurels and saying "Yeah, we're fine with Wilson/Coleman. Why bother rolling the dice to try to get better?". I'm not one of them. If we don't get him, the Rams do. F that noise.
McCaf is one of 3 players in NFL history with 1000 rush and 1000 rec yards in the same season. Yeah me missed almost one full season and half of another, but the production potential is just too great, the cost isn't crazy, and we still have draft capital.
Everyone knows it's risky, but I'd rather my team take a swing than sit back and watch the rest of the division make moves to try and get better while we sit and twiddle our thumbs.
It was notable that RB was not among the critical weaknesses you have complained about while swearing off the team in recent weeks. The "they have to do something!" card doesn't immunize their approach from criticism.
Wingnut
Footballguy
McCaffrey trade impacts SB odds
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
The deal that sent running back Christian McCaffrey from Carolina to San Francisco has seen the 49ers’ odds improve, via FanDuel.com, from +1900 to +1400 to win the Super Bowl.
They currently have the fifth best odds, behind the Bills (+300), the Eagles (+550), the Chiefs (+800), and the Buccaneers (+1100).
McCaffrey has seen his MVP odds drop from +20000 to +9000. He’s still a very long shot. Bills quarterback Josh Allen remains the overwhelming favorite at +125.
Through six games, McCaffrey has 393 rushing yards, 277 receiving yards, and three total touchdowns. That’s 670 yards from scrimmage, putting him on pace for 1,898 total yards.
Christian McCaffrey trade impacts Super Bowl, MVP betting odds - ProFootballTalk
Whenever a big trade happens, it impacts the betting market.The deal that sent running back Christian McCaffrey from Carolina to San Francisco has seen the 49ers’ odds improve, via FanDuel.com, from +1900 to +1400 to win the Super Bowl.They currently have the fifth best odds, behind the Bills...
The deal that sent running back Christian McCaffrey from Carolina to San Francisco has seen the 49ers’ odds improve, via FanDuel.com, from +1900 to +1400 to win the Super Bowl.
They currently have the fifth best odds, behind the Bills (+300), the Eagles (+550), the Chiefs (+800), and the Buccaneers (+1100).
McCaffrey has seen his MVP odds drop from +20000 to +9000. He’s still a very long shot. Bills quarterback Josh Allen remains the overwhelming favorite at +125.
Through six games, McCaffrey has 393 rushing yards, 277 receiving yards, and three total touchdowns. That’s 670 yards from scrimmage, putting him on pace for 1,898 total yards.
massraider
Footballguy
49ers only gave up a 2?
I have bad information. I'm reading, 2-3-4, 5th a year later.
Whatever picks the 49ers have left, and whatever comp picks they might get (fans are really bad at predicting these) doesn't change the price. The price isn't more reasonable because the 49ers still have a few picks.
Wingnut
Footballguy
We gave up 4 picks, but we had plenty of mid to late round picks so we could easily afford it. The Rams couldn't.
Giving up the 2nd stings a little, but I couldn't care less about the 3rd 4th and 5th round picks we gave
Wingnut
Footballguy
Nothing I wrote suggests bitterness. This whole attitude that if you don't love every move, you are bitter, a hater, not a real fan, etc., is beneath you.
So much birterness.
Way to put in work to reinforce my point. They needed to do something. I guess some fans are fine with a team resting on their laurels and saying "Yeah, we're fine with Wilson/Coleman. Why bother rolling the dice to try to get better?". I'm not one of them. If we don't get him, the Rams do. F that noise.
McCaf is one of 3 players in NFL history with 1000 rush and 1000 rec yards in the same season. Yeah me missed almost one full season and half of another, but the production potential is just too great, the cost isn't crazy, and we still have draft capital.
Everyone knows it's risky, but I'd rather my team take a swing than sit back and watch the rest of the division make moves to try and get better while we sit and twiddle our thumbs.
It was notable that RB was not among the critical weaknesses you have complained about while swearing off the team in recent weeks. The "they have to do something!" card doesn't immunize their approach from criticism.
Lol @ "swearing off the team". Venting out of frustration is what fans do.
I didn't "complain" about RB cuz I never thought they'd trade for one.
And I feel most of your posts are negative, usually about Jimmy or Kyle. That's cool, you do you. I'm not gonna go back and forth with you about the trade, I'm glad they did it and can't edit to see how it plays out.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
They still have 8 picks, apparently.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Actually it's 5 right now, with more comp picks likely coming before the draft.
2023 NFL draft: Updated 49ers picks after Christian McCaffrey trade
Which draft picks do the 49ers have left in the 2023 draft?
ninerswire.usatoday.com
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
Not gonna lie: I like the move, but I am scratching my head as to why they had to do it. RB does not seem to be an important part of the niners system anymore so than in New England or Miami.
I will say the possibilities of what the team can do now with their skill players is pretty awesome, but again comparing them to what other teams run out there it seems like a luxury pick. I guess bc the niners have so many extra picks they can do this, and their defense is playoff caliber for sure.
From a fantasy perspective, the only player I think this helps is Jimmy G. Everyone else is gonna get a smaller piece of the pie.
I will say the possibilities of what the team can do now with their skill players is pretty awesome, but again comparing them to what other teams run out there it seems like a luxury pick. I guess bc the niners have so many extra picks they can do this, and their defense is playoff caliber for sure.
From a fantasy perspective, the only player I think this helps is Jimmy G. Everyone else is gonna get a smaller piece of the pie.
Capella
Footballguy
Lol this team just got mopped by the Falcons 5 days ago. Settle down.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Yeah, without half our defense, our all world left tackle, or our RB1.
What was the Bucs excuse against the Steelers?
Care to bet who goes further in the post season, the Bucs or 49ers?
Capella
Footballguy
They’re terrible? I don’t know? I’m not the one saying the Bucs will play deep into January. Don’t project your homerism onto me, I know what my team is.
Wingnut
Footballguy
RB is the most important part of the offense, but they didn't have the personnel to do it effectively recently with all the injuries. They are #26 in run game DVOA so far this season. Their passing game is #7. If they can improve their run game, it will help immensely.
They haven't had a RB that is a legit threat in the passing game, and that has been affecting how Kittle has been being used. He won't have to stay home and pass block nearly as much with CMac on the field, and Jimmy should be really happy to have a RB with great hands he can check down to.
It really makes a lot of sense if you think about it. Would I rather have a guy without CMacs injury history? Of course, but getting his dynamic playmaking ability, I say it's worth a roll of the dice.
theplayer11
Footballguy
what's up with all the "we" posts. Didn't know so many people on this board worked for the 49ers.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Homerism. Lol.
The Bucs have the 4th best odds to win the SB right now. Niners are 5th. Only the Bills, Eagles and Chiefs have better odds.
It's not homerism, it's reality. Vegas seems to think both TB and SF will make a deep run.
Wingnut
Footballguy
You new to online football forums?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I'd allow it for certain Green Bay fans.
Just heard someone defend the draft pick premium by noting that the Rams were the other bidder, and McCaffrey would fill a critical need for them. most of my criticisms still hold but it does make sense to pay a little extra to keep him away from a rival in that situation.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Alright fellas, let’s settle down. Outside of one unnamed poster who hasn’t been here in a while (and hopefully won’t be), we’re a cordial thread.
I think we all agree, injuries have hurt us bad this season. I’ve kind of settled into catch’s opinion as this team really isn’t Super Bowl Title ready (*unless 100% healthy).
Jimmy is the 2nd biggest blemish of the last decade only behind the Harbaugh situation. Last years run was made in spite of his atrocious play. If anything, I’d say he looks at best equivalent to Jimmy of 2021. And what he has shown time and time again is that at the biggest moments, in the biggest games, guy has pudding in his veins. This is why I was excited for Lance, the unknown is better than knowing in this situation.
Losing Moseley was big. I’d like to see some more Thomas and Lenoir back there. They each showed some potential imo last season, let’s see what they can do.
To me, CMC just wasn’t a need. But now we’ve given the offensive genius everything he has ever wanted: great WR core, top RB and TE, and a QB he wanted.
At this juncture, if this team doesn’t contend this season, the fire Shanny calls will hopefully start going from internet lunatics to front and center.
I think we all agree, injuries have hurt us bad this season. I’ve kind of settled into catch’s opinion as this team really isn’t Super Bowl Title ready (*unless 100% healthy).
Jimmy is the 2nd biggest blemish of the last decade only behind the Harbaugh situation. Last years run was made in spite of his atrocious play. If anything, I’d say he looks at best equivalent to Jimmy of 2021. And what he has shown time and time again is that at the biggest moments, in the biggest games, guy has pudding in his veins. This is why I was excited for Lance, the unknown is better than knowing in this situation.
Losing Moseley was big. I’d like to see some more Thomas and Lenoir back there. They each showed some potential imo last season, let’s see what they can do.
To me, CMC just wasn’t a need. But now we’ve given the offensive genius everything he has ever wanted: great WR core, top RB and TE, and a QB he wanted.
At this juncture, if this team doesn’t contend this season, the fire Shanny calls will hopefully start going from internet lunatics to front and center.
I agree that the offense as a whole gets a bump but does Cmac get an upgrade over being the ONLY offense on Carolina's team? I think Deebo takes a hit for sure.... and Im not sure how Cmac can keep the same value with so many mouths to feed there. Im not suggesting he takes a huge hit but just seems like he would have to take a step back ( still top 10 for sure) to me.
excellent response
He just needs to have a Trent Dilfer performance in the playoffs for SF to contend
