I’m not sure Jimmy has ever thrown a ball away.
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I know I've said a thousand times that York will give Shanahan at least one full season with Lance at QB, but I'm starting to think he should be on the hot seat. It seems he just doesn't get his team ready to play, there's no discipline, his play calling is pretty bad sometimes, he gets soft when he has a lead...no killer instinct. Look at these horrible stats of the 49ers under Shanahan:
When down at halftime:
This season: 2 games (0-2 record)
Since 2017: 37 games (7-30 record)
When down after 3 quarters:
This season: 2 games (0-2 record)
Since 2017: 35 games (4-31 record)
This season, they've lost 2 games they've had double digit leads in
I mean, this is insane. Zero come from behind ability
When down at halftime:
This season: 2 games (0-2 record)
Since 2017: 37 games (7-30 record)
When down after 3 quarters:
This season: 2 games (0-2 record)
Since 2017: 35 games (4-31 record)
This season, they've lost 2 games they've had double digit leads in
I mean, this is insane. Zero come from behind ability
efactor
Footballguy
It's just so hard to watch with Jimmy. All that offensive talent going to waste because we have a QB who can't make basic throws consistently.
As much as I love the Niners, I switched it over to Red Zone in the 2nd half. Painful
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Seattle 4-3
LARams 3-3
SF 49'ers 3-4
Arizona 3-4
Anyone's Division right now
LARams 3-3
SF 49'ers 3-4
Arizona 3-4
Anyone's Division right now
efactor
Footballguy
2nd and 3 inside the 20 and they are running it down KC's throat. McCaffrey taken out and Jimmy throws 2 incompletions. FG
Shanahan is very over rated as a OC and he is not much better as a HC either.
The SF offense is good early in games and gets progressively worse as the game goes on.
His early scripted plays work, then he is calling them in game and is not all that good.
Just look at his offensive statistics. The problem is not Jimmy G, it is Shanahan.
If they still had Lance at QB they would be no better than they are now.
Shanahan wastes a very good receiving TE blocking smh plain dumb.
On a team that struggles to score he wastes one of his best weapons blocking
Shanahan really should be fired, but he won't be aster this season.
He will get his chance having Lance as has been said here.
The SF offense is good early in games and gets progressively worse as the game goes on.
His early scripted plays work, then he is calling them in game and is not all that good.
Just look at his offensive statistics. The problem is not Jimmy G, it is Shanahan.
If they still had Lance at QB they would be no better than they are now.
Shanahan wastes a very good receiving TE blocking smh plain dumb.
On a team that struggles to score he wastes one of his best weapons blocking
Shanahan really should be fired, but he won't be aster this season.
He will get his chance having Lance as has been said here.
Shanahan. I wouldn’t be surprised if York replaces Lynch with someone with real power as a last step before firing Shanahan. I don’t know if things will be bad enough this year for them to start down that road. Trigger warning for some super optimists in this thread, but while they clearly aren’t in serious Super Bowl contention, I think getting to the playoffs and maybe even winning a game there are still very much possibilities. If they do that I have trouble seeing anyone lose their jobs.
If they go into next year and Lance sucks, I think heads will start rolling.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Can he play QB?
As a new 9ers fan, I think you guys ***** too much about Garoppolo. Currently he's a middle of the pack NFL QB.
4 NFC South - Better than all four
1 NFC East - Better than anyone in DC. I'd take Hurts or Jones but solely on their legs. Dak...I guess is better than Jimmy.
3 NFC North - Geoff, Rodgers, Fields...not thanks. Cousins...sure.
1 NFC West - Stafford is brutal right now
2 AFC East - NE flavor of the week, NY Jets.
3 AFC South - Lawrence maybe, better than everyone else.
2 AFC North - Better than Briskett and Pitt duo.
1 AFC West - Wilson
4 NFC South - Better than all four
1 NFC East - Better than anyone in DC. I'd take Hurts or Jones but solely on their legs. Dak...I guess is better than Jimmy.
3 NFC North - Geoff, Rodgers, Fields...not thanks. Cousins...sure.
1 NFC West - Stafford is brutal right now
2 AFC East - NE flavor of the week, NY Jets.
3 AFC South - Lawrence maybe, better than everyone else.
2 AFC North - Better than Briskett and Pitt duo.
1 AFC West - Wilson
1-3 for 50 yds and TD all time. Probably better than Taysom.
Dinkle Heimer
Footballguy
Jeff Wilson had a higher YPC with 1 less carry. Granted, I didn't watch the game to see who was the better runner in game flow. But, talent at all positions has diminishing returns when only 1 guy can make a play each snap. In my mind Jimmy G will always be a guy who needs things to work out almost perfectly on defense and special teams to beat the better teams in the NFL. Not sure if you can trade away enough draft picks to counter that.
He (Wilson) also dropped a pass that would have been a sure TD for Cmac.
Dinkle Heimer
Footballguy
I see Jimmy went 25/37 300. That's impressive. Wouldn't the problem today be the defense giving up 44 points?
TampaMike19
Footballguy
You guys should hope to can Shanny. I’m not a fan but I’ve seen enough excuses for this guy
FairWarning
Footballguy
Wasn’t the D pretty banged up? I know they had some coming back, but they were not far from 100%.
The problem SF has from a outsiders POV with Lance is this team is built to win now. They have a 2 maybe 3 year window as currently constructed (look at the rams). You already lost Lance this season, so next year is basically his rookie season all over again. I can’t see him leading SF to a title next year, and core pieces like CMC will slow down. There will some cap issues and you traded 4 picks away to replace them.
The problem SF has from a outsiders POV with Lance is this team is built to win now. They have a 2 maybe 3 year window as currently constructed (look at the rams). You already lost Lance this season, so next year is basically his rookie season all over again. I can’t see him leading SF to a title next year, and core pieces like CMC will slow down. There will some cap issues and you traded 4 picks away to replace them.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Watch him as much as we have for a few seasons, report back.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
This game yesterday was just so discouraging. This team is painful to watch. I’m not in the mood to look up penalties, but it feels like we’ve been very undisciplined this season too, maybe a knee jerk reaction.
Team has way too much talent for this kind of middling mediocrity. It’s so disheartening that we’re being subjected to another year of Jimmy, I took solace in the NFCC knowing it would be the last I saw of him. Amazingly, every GM in the NFL knew to avoid him, thought we’d at least find one sucker.
Not sure what else there is to say.
Team has way too much talent for this kind of middling mediocrity. It’s so disheartening that we’re being subjected to another year of Jimmy, I took solace in the NFCC knowing it would be the last I saw of him. Amazingly, every GM in the NFL knew to avoid him, thought we’d at least find one sucker.
Not sure what else there is to say.
Fans are frustrated because despite having an offensive guru for a coach and some of the best offensive talent in the league, this team knows it’s going to lose if the defense gives up 20ish+ points. Like I’ve posted before, this team should be able to win a shootout once in awhile.
Ministry of Pain
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I think the schedule is set up to keep you around .500 and you are likely sitting at something like 7-6/6-7 come Week 13 but then you have a 4 game run vs some pretty soft teams that might not be playing for very much. I don't anticipate the division being much better than 9-8/10-7 tops to win the NFC West and that is not what I thought prior to the season starting.
Not going to be hosting a lot of Playoff games, likely will hit the road but Tampa bay won the Super Bowl playing 3 road games in 2020, they also were like 12-4 rolling into the Playoffs after falling to like 7-4 after Week 11, I see you all more like 6-5/5-6 perhaps but there is a lot of reason for optimism even if you have to go on the road. Control the clock, keep CMC healthy and don't abuse him before you hit the Playoffs.
The most important thing for SF is their health and keeping guys healthy and getting players like Trent Williams back
I wouldn't be too sad about being 3-4, it just doesn't feel like you are a power team this morning but that's a matter of one's POV, I still have a lot of optimism for SF this year, the NFC is weak and sometimes you get a team like the NY Giants beating the Patriots in the Super Bowl, it happens and this year is ripe. I can still see a SF-PHI NFCC at the end of the year but I know fans from SF are going to belly ache and claim the sky is falling but it's not, not yet.
They must get a split between the Rams and Herbert and come out of Week 9 at 4-5 with a lot of home games on the horizon for them. Florida teams like Miami and Tampa Bay, again must get a split there and be in striking range come Week 13-14 where the schedule is pretty soft.
Good Luck 49'ers and certainly the Miami fan base is watching you for good reason but I wanted to give you a real post and not some snarky "we got your draft pick" crap.
Cheers from Miami, we'll be out to see you all in about a month.
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I think the schedule is set up to keep you around .500 and you are likely sitting at something like 7-6/6-7 come Week 13 but then you have a 4 game run vs some pretty soft teams that might not be playing for very much. I don't anticipate the division being much better than 9-8/10-7 tops to win the NFC West and that is not what I thought prior to the season starting.
Not going to be hosting a lot of Playoff games, likely will hit the road but Tampa bay won the Super Bowl playing 3 road games in 2020, they also were like 12-4 rolling into the Playoffs after falling to like 7-4 after Week 11, I see you all more like 6-5/5-6 perhaps but there is a lot of reason for optimism even if you have to go on the road. Control the clock, keep CMC healthy and don't abuse him before you hit the Playoffs.
The most important thing for SF is their health and keeping guys healthy and getting players like Trent Williams back
I wouldn't be too sad about being 3-4, it just doesn't feel like you are a power team this morning but that's a matter of one's POV, I still have a lot of optimism for SF this year, the NFC is weak and sometimes you get a team like the NY Giants beating the Patriots in the Super Bowl, it happens and this year is ripe. I can still see a SF-PHI NFCC at the end of the year but I know fans from SF are going to belly ache and claim the sky is falling but it's not, not yet.
They must get a split between the Rams and Herbert and come out of Week 9 at 4-5 with a lot of home games on the horizon for them. Florida teams like Miami and Tampa Bay, again must get a split there and be in striking range come Week 13-14 where the schedule is pretty soft.
Good Luck 49'ers and certainly the Miami fan base is watching you for good reason but I wanted to give you a real post and not some snarky "we got your draft pick" crap.
Cheers from Miami, we'll be out to see you all in about a month.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Even if they played all road games,I wouldn’t want to play SF.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
And they won't be leaving the Pacific Time Zone the rest of the regular season
Wingnut
Footballguy
They were part of the problem too, yes. But the offense had too many trips to the red zone without scoring TDs. You've GOT to score TDs against KC or you have no chance. Play calling was bad, going away from the run when it was working, Ryans not being creative enough to create pressure, no discipline at all, wayyyy too many dumb penalties...it was just a crappy performance all around.
To sum it up:
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Wingnut
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Highest and lowest PFF grades
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Below are Pro Football Focus' five highest-graded 49ers players on offense against the Chiefs.
Below are the five highest-graded 49ers players on defense.
Below are the three lowest-graded 49ers players on offense.
Below are the three lowest-graded 49ers players on defense.
Jimmy Garoppolo's 54.9 overall grade was his second-lowest this season (42.4 - Week 3). The quarterback finished the game, completing 25 of his 37 pass attempts for 303 yards, two touchdowns, an interception, and a passer rating of 99.3. His 65.2 overall grade for this season ranks No. 27 among NFL quarterbacks and is his lowest mark since 2018.
How did Christian McCaffrey do in his 49ers debut? He was the second-highest graded 49ers running back, behind the game's starter, Jeff Wilson Jr. McCaffrey carried the ball eight times for 38 yards (4.8 yards per carry) in his 22 snaps. Wilson was in on 26 snaps, carrying the ball seven times for 54 yards (7.7 yards per carry).
McCaffrey's 76.6 overall grade was on par with his performances in Carolina, save for one poor Week 5 outing (57.1) against the 49ers defense.
Aaron Banks played his best game of the season, earning the game's highest overall Pro Football Focus grade. While the Chiefs sacked Garoppolo five times, the 49ers guard didn't surrender a single pressure. And his run-blocking grade of 92.0 was impressive. Bank's 91.5 overall grade from the game is a career-high.
On the other side of the spectrum was right tackle Mike McGlinchey. He gave up four pressures and was responsible for two sacks on the way to his lowest grade of the season and his lowest mark since Week 5 last year (49.7).
Left tackle Trent Williams surrendered a sack and two pressures but was still the team's second-highest-graded offensive lineman. However, Williams' 84.2 overall grade this season is his lowest since arriving with the 49ers.
Wide receiver Ray-Ray McCloud III earned a career-high grade of 90.2, hauling in four passes for 65 yards and a touchdown on his four targets. Tight end George Kittle came in second among the team's pass catchers with a 79.8 overall grade, his highest of the season.
Safety Talanoa Hufanga rebounded from two poorly-graded outings (58.0 - Week 5, 49.5 - Week 6) and earned the 49ers defense's top grade. His 77.0 overall grade this season still ranks in the top 10 among NFL safeties.
Other than Hufanga, the 49ers defense graded poorly against the pass. Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes targeted starting cornerbacks Charvarius Ward (40.2 overall grade) and Deommodore Lenoir (47.0) 10 times, completing nine receptions for 152 yards. Safety Jimmie Ward (38.6), playing in the slot for 45 of his 56 snaps, was targeted six times, giving up six receptions for 42 yards and two touchdowns.
Mahomes targeted linebacker Fred Warner (64.9 overall grade) twice, completing two passes for 50 yards and a score
Who were PFF's highest- and lowest-graded 49ers players vs. Chiefs? Plus snap counts
The San Francisco 49ers dropped their record to 3-4 after a 44-23 loss against the Kansas City Chiefs in Week 7. Today, Pro Football Focus released its grades from the game. Which Niners played well,
Below are Pro Football Focus' five highest-graded 49ers players on offense against the Chiefs.
- Aaron Banks, LG, 91.5, 78 snaps
- Ray-Ray McCloud III, WR, 90.2, 20 snaps
- Trent Williams, LT, 82.8, 78 snaps
- George Kittle, TE, 79.8, 69 snaps
- Jake Brendel, C, 77.4, 78 snaps
Below are the five highest-graded 49ers players on defense.
- Talanoa Hufanga, SS, 71.4, 57 snaps
- Dre Greenlaw, LB, 69.4, 36 snaps
- Nick Bosa, DE, 69.1, 42 snaps
- Drake Jackson, DE, 67.7, 32 snaps
- Tarvarius Moore, SS, 66.9, 7 snaps
Below are the three lowest-graded 49ers players on offense.
- Danny Gray, WR, 44.8, 8 snaps
- Brock Purdy, QB, 50.1, 10 snaps
- Ross Dwelley, TE, 51.2, 11 snaps
Below are the three lowest-graded 49ers players on defense.
- Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles, LB, 29.8, 36 snaps
- Akeem Spence, DT, 36.8, 21 snaps
- Tashaun Gipson Sr., FS, 38.2, 64 snaps
Quick Takeaways
Jimmy Garoppolo's 54.9 overall grade was his second-lowest this season (42.4 - Week 3). The quarterback finished the game, completing 25 of his 37 pass attempts for 303 yards, two touchdowns, an interception, and a passer rating of 99.3. His 65.2 overall grade for this season ranks No. 27 among NFL quarterbacks and is his lowest mark since 2018.
How did Christian McCaffrey do in his 49ers debut? He was the second-highest graded 49ers running back, behind the game's starter, Jeff Wilson Jr. McCaffrey carried the ball eight times for 38 yards (4.8 yards per carry) in his 22 snaps. Wilson was in on 26 snaps, carrying the ball seven times for 54 yards (7.7 yards per carry).
McCaffrey's 76.6 overall grade was on par with his performances in Carolina, save for one poor Week 5 outing (57.1) against the 49ers defense.
Aaron Banks played his best game of the season, earning the game's highest overall Pro Football Focus grade. While the Chiefs sacked Garoppolo five times, the 49ers guard didn't surrender a single pressure. And his run-blocking grade of 92.0 was impressive. Bank's 91.5 overall grade from the game is a career-high.
On the other side of the spectrum was right tackle Mike McGlinchey. He gave up four pressures and was responsible for two sacks on the way to his lowest grade of the season and his lowest mark since Week 5 last year (49.7).
Left tackle Trent Williams surrendered a sack and two pressures but was still the team's second-highest-graded offensive lineman. However, Williams' 84.2 overall grade this season is his lowest since arriving with the 49ers.
Wide receiver Ray-Ray McCloud III earned a career-high grade of 90.2, hauling in four passes for 65 yards and a touchdown on his four targets. Tight end George Kittle came in second among the team's pass catchers with a 79.8 overall grade, his highest of the season.
Safety Talanoa Hufanga rebounded from two poorly-graded outings (58.0 - Week 5, 49.5 - Week 6) and earned the 49ers defense's top grade. His 77.0 overall grade this season still ranks in the top 10 among NFL safeties.
Other than Hufanga, the 49ers defense graded poorly against the pass. Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes targeted starting cornerbacks Charvarius Ward (40.2 overall grade) and Deommodore Lenoir (47.0) 10 times, completing nine receptions for 152 yards. Safety Jimmie Ward (38.6), playing in the slot for 45 of his 56 snaps, was targeted six times, giving up six receptions for 42 yards and two touchdowns.
Mahomes targeted linebacker Fred Warner (64.9 overall grade) twice, completing two passes for 50 yards and a score
efactor
Footballguy
Wingnut
Footballguy
5 of our first 8 games are/were road games.
After next week at the Rams (which is kind of like a home game), we only have 2 true road games left (at Raiders and at Seahawks). The Mexico game vs Arizona counts as an away game but is a neutral site.
So at least we will be at home or neutral site for 7 of our last 9 games, and we only have 1 game (Mexico city) outside of the Pacific time zone the rest of the reg season
Just looking for positives here.
After next week at the Rams (which is kind of like a home game), we only have 2 true road games left (at Raiders and at Seahawks). The Mexico game vs Arizona counts as an away game but is a neutral site.
So at least we will be at home or neutral site for 7 of our last 9 games, and we only have 1 game (Mexico city) outside of the Pacific time zone the rest of the reg season
Just looking for positives here.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
To me, the offense makes the defense play bad. We take an unnecessary sack, get knocked out of field goal range, punt, and recover a fumble on the punt in the RZ. That’s a game changing play. 3 plays later Jimmy G throws an interception in the end zone. The defense had seen enough poor offense and field goals, they folded, I can’t fault them.
Box score scouting. Defense didn't play great, I agree. Couldn't make timely stops to get off the field on 3rd downs. Garoppolo complied some stats but when the time came for a play, in typical fashion he wilted (the interception after the muffed punt being most prominent in my mind). TD to McCloud looked like a prayer that luckily got answered. Too many FG against a team where TDs are required.
Whether it's playcalling or the QB being incapable of making clutch plays or escaping pressure, or a combination of both, we've seen this rodeo too many times to be surprised at its ineffectiveness. We all know that if the offense has to win the game to bail out the defense, that ain't happening, as evidenced by the stats posted previously about the record when trailing at half and 3rd quarter.
Wingnut
Footballguy
I'm gonna wait and see what happens once CMC is fully integrated, but I'm really close to wishing for a new coach.
As far as QB, we're stuck with Jimmy for now, the only way Purdy sees anything but garbage time is if Jimmy gets hurt which could realistically happen as we all know.
As far as QB, we're stuck with Jimmy for now, the only way Purdy sees anything but garbage time is if Jimmy gets hurt which could realistically happen as we all know.
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efactor
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Don't want to pile on Kyle because I think he has some really good qualities for a head coach. But have to agree his play calling is stale. A lot of it has to do with Jimmy's limitations, but the run calls in the 2nd half were perplexing. They had a lot of success in the first half with McCaffrey running between Williams and Banks. Then in the 2nd half, he was running between Banks and Brendel.
In the passing game, they don't get many easy receptions. Virtually everything is timing and has to fit into a small window. They ran a screen to McCaffrey early that got them 10-12 easy yards. Didn't see them run it again the rest of the game. I know KC has a much better QB than we have, but they get a lot of easy, downfield receptions. Just seems that even successful 49er drives are stressful. I agree with Aiyuk saying with the offensive talent they have, they shouldn't have to stuggle this hard to score points.
Wingnut
Footballguy
If Kyle uses him the way he should, and it helps the offense sustain drives, keeping opposing offenses off the field and our defense fresh, it might be a piece we didn't realize we needed.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I think the biggest deficiency is QB & Coach, just too tall an obstacle to climb.
The evidence is apparent and some of the stats you note speak to it. At best Jimmy is a mediocre QB who has shown time and time again he can’t make a play when it counts and Shanny is far from an offensive genius.
Feels like with a different head coach our QB would’ve been okay beyond 5 quarters & they’d be playing much better football as a team. Treating Trey like a pocket passer might’ve yielded much different results, imo.
I’m worried the defense has lost confidence in the coach and QB and they’re getting ready to pack it in.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Maybe we can trade for Mac Jones, let them give it to us twice.
Now you're just spouting stuff for the sake of something.
Our D isn't packing it in a 1/3 of the way thru the season one game out of first place.
13/21 179-1-1 and sack four times is tearing it up? He did it running.
How much more patience can you have than sitting a rookie for a year to learn before giving him the starters job?
This team is uber talented and the running game was elite prior to CMC
I wish we went all in on Rodgers quite frankly. We would have had 2 years of a championship team
Wingnut
Footballguy
Was never gonna happen. Pipe dream.
How about Brady? We have essentially traded away 3 drafts for two people that are not going to win us championships
Wingnut
Footballguy
I can't ****ing stand Brady and would have hated if he came here. Id rather have 5 rings without him than have 6 with him. Seriously. Call me crazy all you want, a Brady championship would have been tainted in my eyes because he's a smug, cheating cry baby who doesn't deserve to ever play for this franchise and I would hate seeing him in a 49er uniform.
Well that's a silly statement. There's no way to know that until everything plays out.
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Yeah, Rodgers would never want to live so near to his family.
Wingnut
Footballguy
If both sides wanted it, it would have happened. It didn't. Pipe dream.
