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***San Francisco at Los Angeles*** (-3.5) 45.5u Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (1 Viewer)
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GreenNGold
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Wingnut
Footballguy
Why would tey keep Jimmy's 27 million contract when they can roll with Lance and shore up weaknesses with that cash?
But believe what you want.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Jimmy's contract could be restructured in a new deal, I'm guessing for less than 27 million per year, and weaknesses could also be shored up with draft picks in return for Lance.
I agree it's not happening and will be interesting to see how many steps backwards the team ends up taking.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Jimmy hit the dude on the hands & he volleyballed it. What game were you watching?
Hot Sauce Guy
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Sam Quentin
Footballguy
If the Packers had signed Beckham instead of the Rams, the Packers win the Super Bowl.
Front office arrogance and pride cost them and now their window is likely closed.
Front office arrogance and pride cost them and now their window is likely closed.
Wingnut
Footballguy
They're not taking any steps backwards. Not sure why you think they will other than you're a bitter Packer fan that's tired of losing to SF in the playoffs.
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Wingnut
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The Kerminator
Footballguy
Not really. If Rodgers doesn't come up small again in a big game they go to the super bowl. Rodgers gets tunnel vision for adams in big games and loses trust in his other WRs. You can see it on the play he forced it long to adams who was double covered. 3 other WRs were wide open on the play. Nobody within 15 yards of Lazard. St.Brown had his man beat by 2 steps for a likely TD. Not sure that changes with a couple months of OBJ
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hard to put that one on Jimmy. That was a Mahomes-esq play to evade the sack and fling it to the receiver.
How ya blame Jimmy for that?
it definitely makes it easier for the Niners to move on to Lance, but I can’t blame him for that pick. Again: he hit the receiver on the hands.
Wingnut
Footballguy
He threw it up with zero chance of a play. He threw it for what would have been a 2 or 3 yard loss if Hasty catches it, he needed to throw it away even though it was 3rd down.
Doesn't matter, he has played his last down as a 49er.
I'm rooting for Stafford even though I cant stand McVay, Ramsey or Donald.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Stafford is going to the super bowl the first year he is not a Lion. How many rings could he have already had and how elite would he be considered if he had been with another organization all these years?
Capella
Footballguy
That loser punt from the 40 cost them the game. Just baffling how bad these coaches are. They watch a 100 hours of film a week just to punt on 4th and short while Deebo is standing right there.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Was just going to post this. This is the NFCCG and he had to grow a pair. I don’t watch them a ton but when the pressure seems to be in he cowers.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And Jimmy is a Steeler very, very soon I’m sure.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I don't think the receiver was expecting the ball to be flung at him from that angle suddenly, so I think it caught him off guard. Still a very bad decision by Jimmy. Take the sack, call your last timeout, and try to make a play on 4th down.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
glad for stafford after putting in his time in detroit , but the rest of that rams team are pretty much grade A douchers- Ramsey...Odell.....meh....
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Capella
Footballguy
Just run that toss sweep to Deebo with Trent leading the way. If you don’t get it you do down with your best players. Instead you choose to gain 20 yards of field position.
Having the ball is the most important part of the game and these dopes just keep giving it away.
Wingnut
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fred_1_15301
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
No kidding. If that’s hitting the guy in the hands then I don’t know football. Desperation backhanded wobbling heave nowhere close to the numbers
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I dunno. As a Ram I give Odell nothing but respect. He’s been great here. Total team player. No issues. Not one. His signing saved the season. Along with Michel’s.
BobbyLayne
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All the Detroit fans are happy for him, he’s a good dude.
Zero drama surrounding the trade. Nothing but love every time the Lions comes up. He’s a class act. Watched his weekly presser for 12 years and he never came close to saying the wrong thing. Awesome on and off the field.
Capella
Footballguy
Lol man I dislike Arians more than you’ll ever know. He cost them so many points this year.
Maybe if the Niners had Arians they would have won.
dkp993
Footballguy
Really really hope we find a way to re-sign him for next year. The trio of Kupp, OBJ and Woods is straight nasty.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The play was going to end badly when Tom Compton couldn't handle Von Miller.
Then, Aaron Donald owned the middle (Alex Mack?).
There was zero chance for him to throw it away. If he eats it it's about 4th and 25.
But yeah, Jimmy was the problem.
Then, Aaron Donald owned the middle (Alex Mack?).
There was zero chance for him to throw it away. If he eats it it's about 4th and 25.
But yeah, Jimmy was the problem.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Completely agree and I'm happy for him too, I felt he never got the full appreciation he deserves, and was not intending to slight him or any fans if that is how it came across. I was taking a bit of a jab at the organization for holding him back but I think even most fans agree there.
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Craig_MiamiFL
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Would have been interesting.
Beckham's been a huge difference maker which is damn difficult as a WR transitioning teams midyear
Edit: And he's got himself a nice day coming guaranteed if it's in cash
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-OZ-
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-OZ-
Footballguy
It’s another example of how much coaching and the organization matters more than any player over the long haul, including the QB.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Indeed, the record speaks for itself.
Stafford's success is very much an indictment of Detroit's ineptitude. Finding a franchise QB is THE elusive quest for every team. The Lions had one for a dozen years and never won a division title. In the modern post-merger era, the franchise is 1-1 in home playoff games and 0-11 on the road. When someone says Detroit Lions the mind immediately goes to the epitome of abject failure.
In most cities, trading your franchise quarterback causes widespread debate and division. It often follow bitter and acrimonious negotiation between the player and the club, and teams make that move with great reluctance. With a complete rebuild looming, Sheila Ford Hamp agreed it was best to part ways. That alone sets her apart from her father and mother. (She's done a lot of other culture shifting things but that's another thread.)
Collectively, the fan base - whilst obviously sad to lose their best quarterback of the last two generations - was happy for the Stafford family. They gave everything to the team and the community, and deserved the opportunity to pursue a ring. His wife is a bit much on social media but simultaneously everyone has mad respect for the manner in which she battled acoustic neuroma. After the trade they donated a million dollars to build a new education center in Detroit. That's at least the second time they've donated a million dollars (rec center & field back in 2015.) They've been consistently generous from Day 1, often with very little fanfare. I bet they've donated close to $5M since 2009.
The past three weeks have shaped the legacy of number 9. One more step to separate himself from the Cousins and Ryans of the league. He's probably in either way, presuming health he'll keep adding to his counting stats. A win in 13 days makes him a lock for the Hall of Fame. Could not happen to a nicer guy.
ASIDE - yesterday marked exactly one year since the trade was announced. Congrats to the Rams fans! These kind of opportunities are rare and hope y'all finish the job.
NutterButter
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-OZ- said:
I don't know what the hell I was smokin with that post. Correction, I do know. 
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I can't speak for everyone but I am an NFL fan and some players come into the league and you just are an instant fan or want to root for them for any number of reasons. I liked Stafford a lot coming out of college and I feel compassion for what his family has gone thru, specifically his wife Kelly and her battle with brain tumor, and the two of them have 4 children together.
All of us take an interest in players we watched in college or followed thru the Draft, maybe we wanted our home team to draft them but it doesn't happen and so we watch them grow for a different team. Stafford spent a long time in Detroit and never complained much. I'm happy he gets to compete in a Super Bowl.
JaxBill
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Capella said:
@surrender_index: SF decided to punt to LAR from the LAR 45* on 4th & 2* with 9:55 remaining in the 4th while winning 17 to 14.
With a Surrender Index of 5.16, this punt ranks at the 88th percentile of cowardly punts of the 2021 season, and the 84th percentile of all punts since 1999.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
You would have to look at it that way, right?habsfan said:
They traded Goff plus 2-1st Round selections to Detroit. It's going to be a bitter pill for Lions fans when Staff holds up that Lombardi Trophy in about 2 weeks.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
So happy 49ers lost after eliminating my Packers*. 
Jimmy G - he is who we thought he is. He won't win you the game, but he'll certainly lose it for you.
* And yes, I blame Rodgers and GB mostly for being historically bad with the gifts they've been given over the last 30 years.
Jimmy G - he is who we thought he is. He won't win you the game, but he'll certainly lose it for you.
* And yes, I blame Rodgers and GB mostly for being historically bad with the gifts they've been given over the last 30 years.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
bittersweet I think. Of course fans prefer their team to hoist the Lombardi. But everyone in Michigan (1) likes Stafford and (2) hates Ohio.
(Obviously not everyone, but a good amount)
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
4th & 24 would have been better than 4th & 16?Ghost Rider said:
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not sure the logic holds here, but I’ll guess….none?
It’s really hard to win a super bowl, and Stafford May not get a ring this year.
He went to a loaded Rams team, they went out and got OBJ. They also bolstered their defense during the season. Point is, he went to a perfect storm of a team that helped to get him there.
He’s played well. But it’s a team sport. on another team for his whole career maybe he has a 10% chance to already have a ring. Maybe less. He could have also spent his career on teams just as bad as the Lions, or on teams good enough to get there but not good enough to win.
I understand your point, but I’m not sure simply being on another team = multiple rings for Stafford.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Exactly.Andy Dufresne said:
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
But if we’re answering that question wouldn’t we have to wait until that actually happens to evaluate properly?
To me, if it doesn’t happen, & it’s Burrow hoisting the Lombardi trophy, that’s step 1.
Step 2 is seeing who the Lions spend those 2x 1st rounders on.
For the moment the only one who should be bitter about anything is Goff. He actually played very well in DET this year, and he’s likely looking at the Rams thinking he could have gotten them here.
So yeah - can’t really say the trade is completely justified just yet. Good trade for sure. Stafford has been very good. But - if they don’t win it all, & the Lions make good draft picks (stop laughing! It might happen) then maybe we look at it a little bit differently.
dkp993
Footballguy
This really isn’t accurate. Woods wasn’t hurt when we got OBJ, Woods got hurt at OBJ’s first practice.
*this doesn’t address or change your larger point but was just making the correction largely because I’m bummed we don’t get to see all three WRs on the field this year.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh yeah - my bad. You’re correct. I’m still bitter about Woods, as I’d just traded for him the week before. :(
ETA: but yeah, my point remains. Also he was the 1.01, which means any team that drafted him would have been terrible.
Yes, the lions management were historically terrible, but they built a couple of decent teams over the years. They made the playoffs in what was a pretty loaded division a couple times.
I just think it’s an overly simplistic if/then question.
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habsfan
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I guess I see a team going "all in" as paying a price rather than winning or losing a trade. Sure you pay that price to win a SB not just be in one but being in one is pretty great. I guess Brady and Manning are recent examples but drop-shipping a QB into a team in the off season is a pretty risky proposition and adding a SB or bust goal to the equation, even more so.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
For now, we can agree the trade helped the Rams.
‘I’m just looking at the big picture. If they lose the SB, then getting Stafford simply cost them Goff & 2 firsts only to be in the same position they were in with Goff, right? (e.g. not winning the super bowl)
Getting there isn’t ever the goal. Winning it is the goal. The only thing getting there & losing achieves is potentially expanding your fan-base (McVay’s personality should help to off-set that) and losing 2 first round picks.
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Leroy Hoard
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As someone with Stafford in a keeper league, I'm hoping that they can find a way to bring back the whole receiver crew. Kupp, OBJ, Woods, Van, Higbee would be hard to stop if all returned.
