San Francisco Recalls Three School Board Members - Heavily Dem City Realizes Board Too Woke For Even Them (1 Viewer)

[rockaction]

Okay, now this wokeness and COVID dealing is coming home to roost. The people of SF got sick of the people who wanted to scrub Abe Lincoln's name off of the schools. Funny thing is, the left of the media focuses on COVID while the other side knows what's really up or that it's a confirmation of people sick of woke bull####. 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/16/politics/san-francisco-school-board-members-recall-election/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/16/us/san-francisco-school-board-recall.html

"The district captured national headlines last year for its botched and in some cases historically inaccurate effort to rename 44 public schools.

The targeted schools carry the names of a range of historical figures including Abraham Lincoln and the three other presidents chiseled into Mount Rushmore; Spanish conquerors such as Vasco Núñez de Balboa; John Muir, the naturalist and author; and Paul Revere, the Revolutionary War figure.

After a barrage of criticism, including from Ms. Breed, the board put the renaming process on hold. A judge ruled that the board had violated a California law on open meetings in its proceedings."

 

[timschochet]

Good. 
 

This is why I rarely get too concerned by either leftist or rightist extremism. The public always rejects it in the end. 

 

[rockaction]

Good. 
 

This is why I rarely get too concerned by either leftist or rightist extremism. The public always rejects it in the end. 

Dude, that these people were in positions of power is directly a result of the woke #### you've been peddling lately. And it took a recall measure to get them out of there, which you hate, so what are you talking about?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I for one mourn the loss of the time-honored traditions that enriched the lives of countless kids who passed through the halls of Angela Davis High.  

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Good. 
 

This is why I rarely get too concerned by either leftist or rightist extremism. The public always rejects it in the end. 

You're their biggest cheerleader.  

 

[rockaction]

My hot take is a lot like this parent's. The galvanized, common sense moderate Democrats and nearly all Republicans are going to start forming coalitions about stuff like this. 

Meredith W. Dodson, the executive director of the San Francisco Parent Coalition, a group formed during the pandemic to pressure the district to reopen schools, called the recall campaign a powerful demonstration of parental activism.

“We can never go back to the previous world where parents weren’t organized and weren’t lifting up their concerns together,” she said.

 

[rockaction]

You're their biggest cheerleader.  

I was just trying to point that out to him, actually. That and the measure provided to the parents goes wildly against his anti-democratic leanings about recalls, referendums, and the like. He thinks that if you're elected, you should serve term even if you plan on scrubbing the halls of Diane Feinstein Elementary because she replaced a damaged Confederate Flag in City Hall around 1984. Irony, that date. 

 

[Nugget]

One side spent $2M+ on a recall campaign?  For an election that is 9 months away?  

 

[rockaction]

That's pretty ballsy how unaccountable they wanted to be the further I look into it. From the NYT. 

"Ms. Hsu said she had observed some of the inner workings of the district in her role as a P.T.A. president of a high school as well as the chair of a Citizens’ Bond Oversight Committee, a body that oversees the district’s use of money raised through bonds. The oversight committee was formed last year after a whistle-blower notified the city attorney’s office that the school district had failed to create the board, which is required by law."

 

[rockaction]

One side spent $2M+ on a recall campaign?  For an election that is 9 months away?  

Dude, they're ####### ridiculous people that shouldn't get to spend one more minute in any position of power. They only reason three were removed out of seven is because four were ineligible to be recalled. 

 

[timschochet]

You're their biggest cheerleader.  

I’m a cheerleader for woke, yes. Sometimes it goes too far. Then it needs to be slapped down and it usually will be. I approve. 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

One side spent $2M+ on a recall campaign?  For an election that is 9 months away?  

Because that's a small price to pay to avoid being governed by religious fanatics.

 

[timschochet]

I should add though that I don’t believe in recall movements over political issues. Recall shouldn’t be used unless somebody commits a crime. Otherwise vote them out in the next election. That’s always been my stance. 

 

[rockaction]

I’m a cheerleader for woke, yes. Sometimes it goes too far. Then it needs to be slapped down and it usually will be. I approve. 

They were the logical extension of woke, dude. This is where you're leading us. Right into this garbage. 

 

[Nugget]

Dude, they're ####### ridiculous people that shouldn't get to spend one more minute in any position of power. They only reason three were removed out of seven is because four were ineligible to be recalled. 

What the #### is wrong with people? God, the tribal element is so strong. 

$2M pays for a lot of teachers in Kansas.  The naming committee looks like it suspended any plans last April.   

 

[rockaction]

I should add though that I don’t believe in recall movements over political issues. Recall shouldn’t be used unless somebody commits a crime. Otherwise vote them out in the next election. That’s always been my stance. 

Which I just discussed upthread. You advocate for something and then disavow the remedies when the logical extension of what you want is perceived as extreme. 

Good work. 

 

[rockaction]

$2M pays for a lot of teachers in Kansas.  The naming committee looks like it suspended any plans last April.   

By all means, feel free to comment on this without expecting my comments in return because I'll get suspended. 

You've just entered the "not a serious thinker" portal. 

 

[timschochet]

They were the logical extension of woke, dude. This is where you're leading us. Right into this garbage. 

No we disagree. There are no slippery slopes. This is NOT the logical extension of anything. Everything that happens is situational. If you offered me ten examples of woke, I might agree with 7 and disagree with 3. It all depends on the issue. 

 

[timschochet]

Which I just discussed upthread. You advocate for something and then disavow the remedies when the logical extension of what you want is perceived as extreme. 

Good work. 

Im not disavowing anything. I would have preferred if these folks had lost the next election rather than be recalled. I don’t approve of recalls. But now that they’re gone I’m not displeased by the outcome. 

 

[rockaction]

No we disagree. There are no slippery slopes. This is NOT the logical extension of anything. Everything that happens is situational. If you offered me ten examples of woke, I might agree with 7 and disagree with 3. It all depends on the issue. 

Oh, I'd say these people were the definition of a slippery slope. You want an ad hoc basis of judgment when "woke" encompasses a way of being and a line of thinking. It points straight to scrubbing George Washington from the school names. 

 

[rockaction]

But I don't want to turn this into a "let's convince Tim that woke is wrong" because we've seen the futility of that. 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The fact that a person equates "following your principles to a logical conclusion" with "slippery slope" tells you a lot about whether you can expect that person to exhibit any internal consistency in future discussions.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Is this the school board that wouldn't let the white guy on it because he was a white guy? GTFO. 

The downside is this: stupid school board in SF does stupid stuff, now Karen X1000 is screaming at the local school board meeting in Tennessee/Alabama etc. about banning CRT.

So I'll agree with the point to take it situationally. The SF school board are a bunch of dopes? Great. Don't come down to my kid's school board meeting 3,000 miles away because of the school board in SF.

 

[rockaction]

The fact that a person equates "following your principles to a logical conclusion" with "slippery slope" tells you a lot about whether you can expect that person to exhibit any internal consistency in future discussions.

True and good point. Slippery slope is a logical fallacy. Following your principles to a logical conclusion is the definition of soundness or validity, actually. 

 

[timschochet]

Oh, I'd say these people were the definition of a slippery slope. You want an ad hoc basis of judgment when "woke" encompasses a way of being and a line of thinking. It points straight to scrubbing George Washington from the school names. 

It does not. I could just as easily accuse you of wanting to eliminate the good with the bad. 
Woke is about treating all people with dignity and respect. That’s the idea I approve of. It’s not about denouncing Lincoln or Washington. That’s a radical idea that I very much reject. I can believe one without the other. 

 

[rockaction]

Don't come down to my kid's school board meeting 3,000 miles away because of the school board in SF.

The school boards have long been the jumping off point for political careers, and parents are now understanding that people are going into education to flex their leftist bona fides before they try a career in governing. Good for the Karen X1000s. #### these people. This is about schooling, not their abstract notions of political rights/wrongs. 

 

[rockaction]

It does not. I could just as easily accuse you of wanting to eliminate the good with the bad. 
Woke is about treating all people with dignity and respect. That’s the idea I approve of. It’s not about denouncing Lincoln or Washington. That’s a radical idea that I very much reject. I can believe one without the other. 

I'm going to do something I don't usually do and just say I'm done with the conversation. 

 

[timschochet]

The fact that a person equates "following your principles to a logical conclusion" with "slippery slope" tells you a lot about whether you can expect that person to exhibit any internal consistency in future discussions.

I don’t equate the two. I don’t believe that condemning Abraham Lincoln is a logical conclusion of following woke principles. I reject that; I think it’s nonsense. 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Is this the school board that wouldn't let the white guy on it because he was a white guy? GTFO. 

The downside is this: stupid school board in SF does stupid stuff, now Karen X1000 is screaming at the local school board meeting in Tennessee/Alabama etc. about banning CRT.

So I'll agree with the point to take it situationally. The SF school board are a bunch of dopes? Great. Don't come down to my kid's school board meeting 3,000 miles away because of the school board in SF.

This is good as far as it goes.  And it's healthy to keep in mind that some of our local institutions are still running normally.

But . . . ten years ago, every single topic along these lines was dismissed by people like Tobias Funke (account seems to be gone or I would @ him) as being just the unrepresentative behavior of dumb college kids who would inevitably grow out of it when they entered the real world.  And now these same fanatics want to ban people like Joe Rogan because he doesn't belong to their stupid religion.  

If you don't stand up to these people when they're being stupid but still relatively harmless, you end up where we are today, where all of our major institutions are being piloted directly into the ground by these folks.

 

[jon_mx]

My hot take is a lot like this parent's. The galvanized, common sense moderate Democrats and nearly all Republicans are going to start forming coalitions about stuff like this. 

Meredith W. Dodson, the executive director of the San Francisco Parent Coalition, a group formed during the pandemic to pressure the district to reopen schools, called the recall campaign a powerful demonstration of parental activism.

“We can never go back to the previous world where parents weren’t organized and weren’t lifting up their concerns together,” she said.

Hopefully these 'parents' organizations were reported to Attorney General Merrick Garland so they can be investigated by the counterterrorism division for possible criminal charges. 

 

[rockaction]

I wish I could have been there so that I might have waved goodbye at them. Oh, and before you think that I'm out of place, I live in SoCal. Eventually, these people wind up in the Education Dept. in Sacremento and start doing things like recommending and implementing statewide de-tracking and the like. 

We need those ####ers gone. 

My brother is head of his teacher's union at an area I won't disclose. He says the #### emanating out of L.A. and San Diego regarding education coming from the unions would make people absolutely blush. We need to remove these people from positions of power. Now. They're crippling our country and our children. 

The right was right to make this an issue. The more this stuff happens, the more voters and parents will push back. 

 

[timschochet]

I'm going to do something I don't usually do and just say I'm done with the conversation. 

I agree with you that this is an example of extremism that no reasonable person should tolerate. Why can’t you be happy with that? Why insist that ALL woke must be equally condemned? 

 

[jon_mx]

It does not. I could just as easily accuse you of wanting to eliminate the good with the bad. 
Woke is about treating all people with dignity and respect. That’s the idea I approve of. It’s not about denouncing Lincoln or Washington. That’s a radical idea that I very much reject. I can believe one without the other. 

Wokism is most definitely not about treating people equally with dignity and respect.  If you read their literature they are very clear they believe the only solution to present racism is future racism..

 

[timschochet]

This is good as far as it goes.  And it's healthy to keep in mind that some of our local institutions are still running normally.

But . . . ten years ago, every single topic along these lines was dismissed by people like Tobias Funke (account seems to be gone or I would @ him) as being just the unrepresentative behavior of dumb college kids who would inevitably grow out of it when they entered the real world.  And now these same fanatics want to ban people like Joe Rogan because he doesn't belong to their stupid religion.  

If you don't stand up to these people when they're being stupid but still relatively harmless, you end up where we are today, where all of our major institutions are being piloted directly into the ground by these folks.

Tobias was right. And the attempt to remove Joe Rogan from Spotify is not “banning him”, nor is science a religion. I think you’re wrong about all of this. 

 

[rockaction]

I know what IK is saying when he talks about religion. It's the fervidity with which these people believe in their shibboleths and the way that they act upon them. In absence of any religion of their own, they turn to a secular religiosity founded in wokeism and leftism that gives them meaning. 

The point is not lost on me, anyway. 

 

[timschochet]

I know what IK is saying when he talks about religion. It's the fervidity with which these people believe in their shibboleths and the way that they act upon them. In absence of any religion of their own, they turn to a secular religiosity founded in wokeism and leftism that gives them meaning. 

The point is not lost on me, anyway. 

I understood him too. I had no problem with him referring to these school board members as following a religion. i have a big problem with him referring to those who are critical of Joe Rogan as following a religion. They’re following science. 
Ivan’s comments were ignorant (unusual for him) and they demonstrate the flaw with believing in slippery slopes or that all of these issues are connected. They’re not. We’re all smart enough to be able to distinguish between extreme behavior and reasonable behavior and we always will be. 

 

[timschochet]

I know what IK is saying when he talks about religion. It's the fervidity with which these people believe in their shibboleths and the way that they act upon them. In a sense of any religion of their own they turn to a secular religiosity founded in wokeism and leftism that gives them meaning. 

The point is not lost on me, anyway. 

BTW with regard to the bold, you don’t know this. These folks might be church goers. Plenty of extremists are quite religious in the traditional sense. 

 

[jon_mx]

Tobias was right. And the attempt to remove Joe Rogan from Spotify is not “banning him”, nor is science a religion. I think you’re wrong about all of this. 

Of course it is.  The woke crowd goal to to get Spotify to bow to their demands and becomes puppets to their agenda much like Facebbok, Twitter, YouTube/Google.  The chilling effect these tech giants have on free speech is enormous and their banding together creates a quasi-government monopoly on the major internet platforms which is as effective if the government itself was imposing such restrictions.  

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

The school boards have long been the jumping off point for political careers, and parents are now understanding that people are going into education to flex their leftist bona fides before they try a career in governing. Good for the Karen X1000s. #### these people. This is about schooling, not their abstract notions of political rights/wrongs. 

Disagree with some of this, agree with some as well.

Disagree that the Karens are helping. These school board meetings are now being taken over in many cases by non-parents, completely pushing a political agenda, not at all about schooling and everything about fighting the "culture wars" de jour. If you're coming to a school board meeting to yell about masks or the CRT or transgender kids, don't come. It's dividing the community, that's the actual playbook, and I disagree with it. 

Agree with the point about using the school board to get into politics. That's BS. The school boards should be made up of parents with kids in the district actually interested in bettering the district, not political wannabes looking at the school board as a stepping stone into politics. 

My point is also this: SF woke school board acts stupidly and members get recalled? Great. Don't come around my way with the school board nonsense. This community is doing its best to come out of a tough period for these kids and we don't need political BS coming to the school board meeting because of what some board did in SF. 

 

[djmich]

Dude, that these people were in positions of power is directly a result of the woke #### you've been peddling lately. And it took a recall measure to get them out of there, which you hate, so what are you talking about?

Hahaha

 

[timschochet]

Of course it is.  The woke crowd goal to to get Spotify to bow to their demands and becomes puppets to their agenda much like Facebbok, Twitter, YouTube/Google.  The chilling effect these tech giants have on free speech is enormous and their banding together creates a quasi-government monopoly on the major internet platforms which is as effective if the government itself was imposing such restrictions.  

If you think it’s a monopoly then why not regulate it? Once it’s regulated, then I might concede your point. Not until then. 

 

[rockaction]

These school board meetings are now being taken over in many cases by non-parents

I think we'd agree on this, though non-parents have an interest as taxpayers and as people who will have to deal politically with the output of the schools. 

This community is doing its best to come out of a tough period for these kids and we don't need political BS coming to the school board meeting because of what some board did in SF.

Misattributing things to locales from a place far away is certainly something we can agree on that is a bad thing to do. These politics should be local and parent-centered (not parent-exclusive). 

 

[timschochet]

Disagree with some of this, agree with some as well.

Disagree that the Karens are helping. These school board meetings are now being taken over in many cases by non-parents, completely pushing a political agenda, not at all about schooling and everything about fighting the "culture wars" de jour. If you're coming to a school board meeting to yell about masks or the CRT or transgender kids, don't come. It's dividing the community, that's the actual playbook, and I disagree with it. 

Agree with the point about using the school board to get into politics. That's BS. The school boards should be made up of parents with kids in the district actually interested in bettering the district, not political wannabes looking at the school board as a stepping stone into politics. 

My point is also this: SF woke school board acts stupidly and members get recalled? Great. Don't come around my way with the school board nonsense. This community is doing its best to come out of a tough period for these kids and we don't need political BS coming to the school board meeting because of what some board did in SF. 

Excellent point here. 

We should be just as concerned by the power of a small minority of parents to influence school boards as we are with this nonsense. All of these new laws against CRT for example, are scaring and confusing teachers and making them want to avoid teaching anything that touches on race. Which is terrible. 
 

Extremism needs to be fought no matter what source it arises from. 

 

[timschochet]

I think we'd agree on this, though non-parents have an interest as taxpayers and as people who will have to deal politically with the output of the schools. 

Misattributing things to locales from a place far away is certainly something we can agree on that is a bad thing to do. These politics should be local and parent-centered (not parent-exclusive). 

Not all education should be decided local and parent centered. The state government, and sometimes even the federal government, should take a role. 

 

[ekbeats]

They were the logical extension of woke, dude. This is where you're leading us. Right into this garbage. 

That’s the part they fail to see.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I understood him too. I had no problem with him referring to these school board members as following a religion. i have a big problem with him referring to those who are critical of Joe Rogan as following a religion. They’re following science. 

Nope.  There is no science involved in passing around clips of somebody using the N-word out of context.  That's just the woke equivalent of breaking the second commandment.

(This really is an exact parallel to a specific type of fundamentalist religion.  Thou shalt not use the word "Jesus" in the wrong context.  Thou shalt not draw a picture of Mohammed.  Thou shalt not speak the N-word out loud, even when quoting a third party.  There's no science behind any of this.  It's just reverence for the divine.)

 

[timschochet]

That’s the part they fail to see.

I fail to see it because it doesn’t exist. 

 

[timschochet]

Nope.  There is no science is passing around clips of somebody using the N-word out of context.  That's just the woke equivalent of breaking the second commandment.

That wasn’t what I was referring to and I think you know that. I was referring to criticism of Rogan’s questioning of science. 

 

[rockaction]

Tim has fallen into the "not serious thinker" category with his recent proclamations and declarations. 

 

[jon_mx]

If you think it’s a monopoly then why not regulate it? Once it’s regulated, then I might concede your point. Not until then. 

It should be regulated.  But Dems are in charge and they fully support these outrageous attacks on free speech as it supports their agenda.   If Google/YouTube wants to be in the politics game, then incorporate as such.  But as a general business which controls a large portion of internet search and video hosting, they should not be able to discriminate based on race, sex, religion or politics.