Sankey's Value increasing even more? (1 Viewer)

[Chappy]

Tennessee Titans RB Shonn Greene could be cut if his injured right knee continues to prevent him from working out this offseason, according to Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean. Wyatt believes the team will opt to save the $2.3 million it owes Greene if he won't be able to contribute. KFFL

 

[rdrouyn]

You pretty much turned on the Brewtown batsignal.

BTW there is a Sankey thread floating around, no need to start a new one.

 

[steveski]

So who else is there? No team is stupid enough to go into a season without even a halfway decent backup, especially with a rookie starter.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Battle and mccluster

 

[Bucky86]

Was anyone ever really concerned about Shonn Greene?

 

[steveski]

Was anyone ever really concerned about Shonn Greene?

I've been taking him late in MFL10 draft only leagues pretty often. I don't think Sankey is that talented and Greene isn't THAT bad. He's definitely better than Battle. I figured he'd get goalline work and some of Sankeys load even if he was good. If Sankey struggled then Greene could have some solid weeks.

 

[Chappy]

You pretty much turned on the Brewtown batsignal.

BTW there is a Sankey thread floating around, no need to start a new one.

Sorry, didn't see it. In this place, after 30 minutes it could be on page 3.

Was anyone ever really concerned about Shonn Greene?

I've been taking him late in MFL10 draft only leagues pretty often. I don't think Sankey is that talented and Greene isn't THAT bad. He's definitely better than Battle. I figured he'd get goalline work and some of Sankeys load even if he was good. If Sankey struggled then Greene could have some solid weeks.

+1

 

[steveski]

To add to the topic, I don't think this increases Sankeys value even more. It was his job to lose anyways. This just decreases the Titans value more. If Sankey doesn't work out then the Titans are a 2 or 3 win team this year.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

If Tennessee cuts Greene, I think they might look had at camp cuts and grab one as well.

 

[Ojaays]

If Tennessee cuts Greene, I think they might look had at camp cuts and grab one as well.

They might, and probably will, but, they have already professed a certain amount of Love for Sankey and his value will certainly increase as the he will be the #1 over any late pickup.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

If Tennessee cuts Greene, I think they might look had at camp cuts and grab one as well.

They might, and probably will, but, they have already professed a certain amount of Love for Sankey and his value will certainly increase as the he will be the #1 over any late pickup.

I agree with you there.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Where is Wyatt getting his information? I don't see a source mentioned anywhere.

Greene's 2014 salary is $2.3M but his signing bonus of $4.5M would accelerate to $1.5M against the cap this year and next. That means the actual cap savings would be $800k. Damn, it would be nice if alleged inside reporters understood the rudimentary aspects of what the hell they are talking about.

Right now Greene is the only proven consistent performer at RB on the roster. Because he's missing offseason work due to injury recovery TEN is going to cut him to save 1/166th of their cap space?

That's just not credible unless management/coaching actually has put it forth. And in fact Wyatt admits that he has not heard this from any team source - or any source than his own imagination. He's already demonstrated his level of understanding of the factors affecting the situation.

Note to Sankey lovers/Greene detractors: please note that I did not say Greene was a stud, awesome, great, very good, etc. He is IMO a consistent guy who performs solidly between the tackles, and I am not projecting anything beyond that.

 

[steveski]

Where is Wyatt getting his information? I don't see a source mentioned anywhere.

Greene's 2014 salary is $2.3M but his signing bonus of $4.5M would accelerate to $1.5M against the cap this year and next. That means the actual cap savings would be $800k. Damn, it would be nice if alleged inside reporters understood the rudimentary aspects of what the hell they are talking about.

Right now Greene is the only proven consistent performer at RB on the roster. Because he's missing offseason work due to injury recovery TEN is going to cut him to save 1/166th of their cap space?

That's just not credible unless management/coaching actually has put it forth. And in fact Wyatt admits that he has not heard this from any team source - or any source than his own imagination. He's already demonstrated his level of understanding of the factors affecting the situation.

Note to Sankey lovers/Greene detractors: please note that I did not say Greene was a stud, awesome, great, very good, etc. He is IMO a consistent guy who performs solidly between the tackles, and I am not projecting anything beyond that.

Thanks for clarifying the contract portion of it. Unless they have some reason to believe that his ankle issue is going to be something that lingers all season then it just doesn't make sense to cut him. I agree with your take on Greene. He is not a special talent. He's a good backup type of guy and with a rookie being your starting RB, he's probably a guy you want to have on your roster.

 

[Tau837]

Where is Wyatt getting his information? I don't see a source mentioned anywhere.

Greene's 2014 salary is $2.3M but his signing bonus of $4.5M would accelerate to $1.5M against the cap this year and next. That means the actual cap savings would be $800k. Damn, it would be nice if alleged inside reporters understood the rudimentary aspects of what the hell they are talking about.

Right now Greene is the only proven consistent performer at RB on the roster. Because he's missing offseason work due to injury recovery TEN is going to cut him to save 1/166th of their cap space?

That's just not credible unless management/coaching actually has put it forth. And in fact Wyatt admits that he has not heard this from any team source - or any source than his own imagination. He's already demonstrated his level of understanding of the factors affecting the situation.

Note to Sankey lovers/Greene detractors: please note that I did not say Greene was a stud, awesome, great, very good, etc. He is IMO a consistent guy who performs solidly between the tackles, and I am not projecting anything beyond that.

This information is incorrect, at least according to Over the Cap. OTC says:

1. Greene's cap number if on the roster this season is $3,233,333.

2. If he is cut, the team will have $1,666,667 in dead money (a.k.a. cap hit) this season but will realize cap savings this season of $1,566,666.

Having said that, I agree with your bigger point, which is that Greene is unlikely to be cut unless his injury is going to cause him to miss major time this season. While the team would save $1.57M on the cap, they would almost certainly spend some of that savings signing another RB. So the cap savings would be minimal overall, and they would likely end up with a lesser quality backup RB.

If Sankey plays well enough this season, it seems pretty likely that the team will cut Greene before next season, when they can save over $3M on their cap.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Is Antonio Andrews a sleeper to take Greene's role?

 

[12punch]

Where is Wyatt getting his information? I don't see a source mentioned anywhere.

Greene's 2014 salary is $2.3M but his signing bonus of $4.5M would accelerate to $1.5M against the cap this year and next. That means the actual cap savings would be $800k. Damn, it would be nice if alleged inside reporters understood the rudimentary aspects of what the hell they are talking about.

Right now Greene is the only proven consistent performer at RB on the roster. Because he's missing offseason work due to injury recovery TEN is going to cut him to save 1/166th of their cap space?

it'd be nice for posters on this board, too, but I'm not holding my breath

 

[Bronco Billy]

Where is Wyatt getting his information? I don't see a source mentioned anywhere.

Greene's 2014 salary is $2.3M but his signing bonus of $4.5M would accelerate to $1.5M against the cap this year and next. That means the actual cap savings would be $800k. Damn, it would be nice if alleged inside reporters understood the rudimentary aspects of what the hell they are talking about.

Right now Greene is the only proven consistent performer at RB on the roster. Because he's missing offseason work due to injury recovery TEN is going to cut him to save 1/166th of their cap space?

That's just not credible unless management/coaching actually has put it forth. And in fact Wyatt admits that he has not heard this from any team source - or any source than his own imagination. He's already demonstrated his level of understanding of the factors affecting the situation.

Note to Sankey lovers/Greene detractors: please note that I did not say Greene was a stud, awesome, great, very good, etc. He is IMO a consistent guy who performs solidly between the tackles, and I am not projecting anything beyond that.

This information is incorrect, at least according to Over the Cap. OTC says:

1. Greene's cap number if on the roster this season is $3,233,333.

2. If he is cut, the team will have $1,666,667 in dead money (a.k.a. cap hit) this season but will realize cap savings this season of $1,566,666.

Having said that, I agree with your bigger point, which is that Greene is unlikely to be cut unless his injury is going to cause him to miss major time this season. While the team would save $1.57M on the cap, they would almost certainly spend some of that savings signing another RB. So the cap savings would be minimal overall, and they would likely end up with a lesser quality backup RB.

If Sankey plays well enough this season, it seems pretty likely that the team will cut Greene before next season, when they can save over $3M on their cap.

Huh. I was working from different information than that. Could be that my cap hit if cut is inaccurate then if your numbers are correct.

Either way, the savings are not his $2.3M 2014 salary, but rather are less than that, and are only a very small fraction of TEN's cap number.

 

[False Start]

You pretty much turned on the Brewtown batsignal.

BTW there is a Sankey thread floating around, no need to start a new one.

Its why I always laugh when people start threads like this and let people in their league know what they are thinking.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Where is Wyatt getting his information? I don't see a source mentioned anywhere.

Greene's 2014 salary is $2.3M but his signing bonus of $4.5M would accelerate to $1.5M against the cap this year and next. That means the actual cap savings would be $800k. Damn, it would be nice if alleged inside reporters understood the rudimentary aspects of what the hell they are talking about.

Right now Greene is the only proven consistent performer at RB on the roster. Because he's missing offseason work due to injury recovery TEN is going to cut him to save 1/166th of their cap space?

it'd be nice for posters on this board, too, but I'm not holding my breath

they are gonna cut him because he stinks and because hes injured

 

[12punch]

this cosell quote cracks me up considering who he replaced

Added Cosell after viewing Sankey's college tape, "He would go down on first contact a lot. He did not run through contact and break tackles with any real consistency.

 

[Bronco Billy]

this cosell quote cracks me up considering who he replaced

Added Cosell after viewing Sankey's college tape, "He would go down on first contact a lot. He did not run through contact and break tackles with any real consistency.

That seems to be one of the consistent criticisms of Sankey. Not that it matters much, but I agree with it.

 

[Khy]

this cosell quote cracks me up considering who he replaced

Added Cosell after viewing Sankey's college tape, "He would go down on first contact a lot. He did not run through contact and break tackles with any real consistency.

That seems to be one of the consistent criticisms of Sankey. Not that it matters much, but I agree with it.

Also agree with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8hFkSz7vAA

Just watch this tape vs Cal... statistically he had one hell of a game. But if you really watch it all of his yards came on holes wide enough for my wheelchair ridden Grandmother to rush for 150 yards in her scooter. Every time he's even touched he falls to the ground though.

 

[12punch]

this cosell quote cracks me up considering who he replaced

Added Cosell after viewing Sankey's college tape, "He would go down on first contact a lot. He did not run through contact and break tackles with any real consistency.

That seems to be one of the consistent criticisms of Sankey. Not that it matters much, but I agree with it.

Also agree with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8hFkSz7vAA

Just watch this tape vs Cal... statistically he had one hell of a game. But if you really watch it all of his yards came on holes wide enough for my wheelchair ridden Grandmother to rush for 150 yards in her scooter. Every time he's even touched he falls to the ground though.

thx for posting that -- I don't watch any college ball

and cal was pretty terrible on defense, right -- or am I looking up the wrong team?

 

[Brewtown]

According to Stats Inc he led the nation last year in broken tackles...

But hey - to each his own...

 

[JayJay328]

You pretty much turned on the Brewtown batsignal.

BTW there is a Sankey thread floating around, no need to start a new one.

Using the same thread forever is dumb.

ETA - Baylor WR Josh Gordon. Guy is/would be entering his 3rd season!

 

[Dragon1952]

Was anyone ever really concerned about Shonn Greene?

There's no guarantee Sankey will deliver. Seems to me C.J. Spiller, Monte Ball and LaMaar Miller are a few more recent guys that were pretty much handed/expected to win jobs and didn't deliver

 

[Ojaays]

Was anyone ever really concerned about Shonn Greene?

There's no guarantee Sankey will deliver. Seems to me C.J. Spiller, Monte Ball and LaMaar Miller are a few more recent guys that were pretty much handed/expected to win jobs and didn't deliver

No guarantee he will deliver , butt , he will be afforded Opportunity that not many other RBs will get and that will spike anybody's spidey senses.

 

[12punch]

According to Stats Inc he led the nation last year in broken tackles...

But hey - to each his own...

I believe trent richardson also does pretty well in the broken tackles stat

 

[Dragon1952]

Was anyone ever really concerned about Shonn Greene?

There's no guarantee Sankey will deliver. Seems to me C.J. Spiller, Monte Ball and LaMaar Miller are a few more recent guys that were pretty much handed/expected to win jobs and didn't deliver

No guarantee he will deliver , butt , he will be afforded Opportunity that not many other RBs will get and that will spike anybody's spidey senses.

Was responding to Bucky's question of "Was anyone ever really concerned about Shonn Greene?" Which means what? That Sankey has already won the job and will get 80% of the workload? All I meant was that why would you assume Greene won't have value? Monte Ball was penciled in as the guy last year and was going in the 5th and 6th rounds where Moreno was going 14-16 typically and maybe not at all in 16 man roster leagues.

 

[cstu]

Was anyone ever really concerned about Shonn Greene?

There's no guarantee Sankey will deliver. Seems to me C.J. Spiller, Monte Ball and LaMaar Miller are a few more recent guys that were pretty much handed/expected to win jobs and didn't deliver

In the last two drafts there were 7 RB's drafted in the 1st two rounds with a chance to start:

Gio, Bell, Ball, Lacy, TRich, Martin, Wilson.

Of those only Ball and Wilson failed to deliver and both had better competition than Sankey.

 

[Nucker101]

According to Stats Inc he led the nation last year in broken tackles...

But hey - to each his own...

I believe trent richardson also does pretty well in the broken tackles stat

Huh?

I don't think anyone questions T-Rich's power, it's his vision and burst.

 

[12punch]

According to Stats Inc he led the nation last year in broken tackles...

But hey - to each his own...

?

- A lack of broken tackles, nearly half the amount as Jeremy Hill, really hurts Bishop Sankey. Despite coming in at a reasonable weight of 209lbs at the combine and being billed as an all-around back, Sankey’s extra yardage numbers are poor. For some reason he doesn’t seem to have quite the same ability to drive through contact as the others.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46396/349/peshek-rb-metrics-10

 

[cstu]

According to Stats Inc he led the nation last year in broken tackles...

But hey - to each his own...

?

- A lack of broken tackles, nearly half the amount as Jeremy Hill, really hurts Bishop Sankey. Despite coming in at a reasonable weight of 209lbs at the combine and being billed as an all-around back, Sankey’s extra yardage numbers are poor. For some reason he doesn’t seem to have quite the same ability to drive through contact as the others.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46396/349/peshek-rb-metrics-10

On the other hand he had the highest percent of 20+ yard runs (7.37%).

 

[Tool]

To add to the topic, I don't think this increases Sankeys value even more. It was his job to lose anyways. This just decreases the Titans value more. If Sankey doesn't work out then the Titans are a 2 or 3 win team this year.

Let's see they won 7 games last year with Chris Johnson averaging 3.9 yards per carry, so umm...no.

 

[Buffaloes]

Was anyone ever really concerned about Shonn Greene?

There's no guarantee Sankey will deliver. Seems to me C.J. Spiller, Monte Ball and LaMaar Miller are a few more recent guys that were pretty much handed/expected to win jobs and didn't deliver

when was Ball handed the job? Hillman opened camp as the #1 RB last year and this forum was full of talk tempering enthusiasm for Ball based on Fox's history of not starting rookie RB...and that Denver probably wouldn't leave Manning's pass pro up to a rookie.

 

[Brewtown]

According to Stats Inc he led the nation last year in broken tackles...

But hey - to each his own...

?

- A lack of broken tackles, nearly half the amount as Jeremy Hill, really hurts Bishop Sankey. Despite coming in at a reasonable weight of 209lbs at the combine and being billed as an all-around back, Sankey’s extra yardage numbers are poor. For some reason he doesn’t seem to have quite the same ability to drive through contact as the others.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46396/349/peshek-rb-metrics-10

Stats Inc.....

I heard a guy from Stats in on Sirius talking about this a few months back. He worked for Stats Inc and they talked about that specific stat...

 

[Brewtown]

Tackle-breaking ability - For a 209 pound runner, Sankey breaks a lot of tackles. He does it with strength, a forward lean and outstanding quickness. He avoids the clean oncoming hit very well and turns them into glancing blows. It’s subtle and it’s easy to miss sometimes, but that’s how he escapes a lot of would-be tackles. He will get tripped up with an ankle-tackle at times due to the forward lean.

http://rotobahn.com/scouting-report-bishop-sankey-rb-washington/

 

[12punch]

WeaknessesShows some hip tightness. Average explosion, finishing speed and elusiveness. Has shown he can be contained by good defenses. Needs to become a more dependable, physical, fundamentally sound pass protector. Can be tracked from behind and too often is grounded by single-tacklers or tripped up by the ankles. Is not a robust tackle-breaker.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/bishop-sankey?id=2543682

 

[KellysHeroes]

most polarizing player of the off-season

 

[Brewtown]

With Chris Johnson out of the picture after six seasons, the Titans' run game will rely on a combo of Shonn Greene and rookie Bishop Sankey. The one to watch during training camp is Sankey, who must show he's as slippery against padded NFL players as he was in college and in gym shorts. Some have already crowned Sankey as the rookie to get the most touches. Camp will be our first legitimate glimpse of his potential.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Sankey is going to have to show that he can create something when there is little to nothing there. He was completely impotent in that situation against ASU when they slammed the door shut on him all game - and that was the 77th ranked run D going into that game. He shows the same lack of decisiveness and creative ability in the NFL and he's going to struggle to maintain a dependable workload week to week.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

most polarizing player of the off-season

not really, He has the clearest path of any rookie to FF relevance, will he capitalize? I think so, the dude Glides out there.

 

[Brewtown]

Sankey is going to have to show that he can create something when there is little to nothing there. He was completely impotent in that situation against ASU when they slammed the door shut on him all game - and that was the 77th ranked run D going into that game. He shows the same lack of decisiveness and creative ability in the NFL and he's going to struggle to maintain a dependable workload week to week.

He doesn't have to show me - I already know he's a Stud in the making.

He has out of this world change of direction / 4.4 speed / great vision / explosiveness / super production in a super conference / and he can do this : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o3eZaMbpFPk

 

[Brewtown]

Oh yeah - I forgot how strong he is as well... 26 reps

 

[Brewtown]

Sankey is going to have to show that he can create something when there is little to nothing there. He was completely impotent in that situation against ASU when they slammed the door shut on him all game - and that was the 77th ranked run D going into that game. He shows the same lack of decisiveness and creative ability in the NFL and he's going to struggle to maintain a dependable workload week to week.

Anyone can nitpick one game: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19950101&id=QUlWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MesDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6588,269849

 

[Bronco Billy]

Sankey is going to have to show that he can create something when there is little to nothing there. He was completely impotent in that situation against ASU when they slammed the door shut on him all game - and that was the 77th ranked run D going into that game. He shows the same lack of decisiveness and creative ability in the NFL and he's going to struggle to maintain a dependable workload week to week.

He doesn't have to show me - I already know he's a Stud in the making.He has out of this world change of direction / 4.4 speed / great vision / explosiveness / super production in a super conference / and he can do this : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o3eZaMbpFPk

I understand your position clearly. But your willingness to ignore facts does not mean they don't exist. You can ignore when he struggled pathetically against adverse circumstances but NFL Ds and FF box scores won't.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So who else is there? No team is stupid enough to go into a season without even a halfway decent backup, especially with a rookie starter.

Is Antonio Andrews a sleeper to take Greene's role?

It's RW/Silva (your call) but they had Antonio Andrews No. 16 in their rookie RB rankings, just ahead of Seastrunk:

16. Antonio Andrews, UDFA, Titans.Hammer back with short-area burst.

And:

Titans signed Western Kentucky RB Antonio Andrews. Andrews (5-foot-10 1/8, 225) piled up 571 carries over his final two college seasons en route to 3,414 yards (5.98 YPC) and 30 all-purpose touchdowns. He's a functional receiver, amassing 85 receptions. A decisive power back without a second gear (4.82 forty) or much short-area burst (8'10" broad jump), Andrews has some poor man's Alfred Morris to him. He lacks Morris' jump-cut ability, but is willing to run violently inside the tackles. Andrews' ceiling is likely a committee back and short-yardage pounder. May 10

 

[Brewtown]

So who else is there? No team is stupid enough to go into a season without even a halfway decent backup, especially with a rookie starter.

Is Antonio Andrews a sleeper to take Greene's role?

It's RW/Silva (your call) but they had Antonioo Andrews No. 16 in their rookie RB rankings, just ahead of Seastrunk:

16. Antonio Andrews, UDFA, Titans.

Hammer back with short-area burst.

And:

Titans signed Western Kentucky RB Antonio Andrews. Andrews (5-foot-10 1/8, 225) piled up 571 carries over his final two college seasons en route to 3,414 yards (5.98 YPC) and 30 all-purpose touchdowns. He's a functional receiver, amassing 85 receptions. A decisive power back without a second gear (4.82 forty) or much short-area burst (8'10" broad jump), Andrews has some poor man's Alfred Morris to him. He lacks Morris' jump-cut ability, but is willing to run violently inside the tackles. Andrews' ceiling is likely a committee back and short-yardage pounder. May 10

You go and hitch your wagon to a RB who ran a 4.8 forty....

Yeah - that's the ticket!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Sankey is going to have to show that he can create something when there is little to nothing there. He was completely impotent in that situation against ASU when they slammed the door shut on him all game - and that was the 77th ranked run D going into that game. He shows the same lack of decisiveness and creative ability in the NFL and he's going to struggle to maintain a dependable workload week to week.

He doesn't have to show me - I already know he's a Stud in the making.

He has out of this world change of direction / 4.4 speed / great vision / explosiveness / super production in a super conference / and he can do this : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o3eZaMbpFPk

Actually, that will come in handy with locker throwing.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So who else is there? No team is stupid enough to go into a season without even a halfway decent backup, especially with a rookie starter.

Is Antonio Andrews a sleeper to take Greene's role?

It's RW/Silva (your call) but they had Antonioo Andrews No. 16 in their rookie RB rankings, just ahead of Seastrunk:

16. Antonio Andrews, UDFA, Titans.

Hammer back with short-area burst.

And:

Titans signed Western Kentucky RB Antonio Andrews. Andrews (5-foot-10 1/8, 225) piled up 571 carries over his final two college seasons en route to 3,414 yards (5.98 YPC) and 30 all-purpose touchdowns. He's a functional receiver, amassing 85 receptions. A decisive power back without a second gear (4.82 forty) or much short-area burst (8'10" broad jump), Andrews has some poor man's Alfred Morris to him. He lacks Morris' jump-cut ability, but is willing to run violently inside the tackles. Andrews' ceiling is likely a committee back and short-yardage pounder. May 10

You go and hitch your wagon to a RB who ran a 4.8 forty....

Yeah - that's the ticket!

Yeah I saw that number. I'm sure liking Sankey don't get me wrong and I don't pretend to know bip about AA or WKU, but a little bit of research reveals he was the no. 7 rusher in 2014 NCAA and was the national all purpose yardage leader in 2012 and 2013.

Antonio Andrews - Great production and solid Yards After Contact metrics. He's like a bigger version of Ka'Deem Carey.