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Buffaloes
Footballguy
I know this is a message board but if you can mix in a period here and there it might help readability.But to answer your question, I think Santana will keep it up barring injury. I think he was held back in previous offenses. Zorn has been able to get a lot out of Moss thus far and I don't see that changing anytime soon. I can see him eclipsing his 2005 season stats.Can he keep up this pace where does everyone see him finishing he already has as many Td's as last year.. his best season was05 80/1400/9 can he beat that this year? I always though of him as incosistant but this year he is getting his everygame
49erBamBam52
Footballguy
to this point he has had very shakey and inconsistant QB play.he has been with Campbel now for almost 2 full seasons.he did have a decent season his last year with the Jets as well.Seems to me in looking back, every season he has been "inconsistant" was a season where he got some sort of naggin injury that effected his play for 4 or so weeks straight, other than those weeks his numbers are pretty consistant.BAMCan he keep up this pace where does everyone see him finishing he already has as many Td's as last year.. his best season was05 80/1400/9 can he beat that this year? I always though of him as incosistant but this year he is getting his everygame
two_dollars
Footballguy
Rodeojones
Footballguy
That was a killer...
T Bell
Footballguy
Philly obviously decided to roll coverage to Moss today and to pressure Campbell. The Redskins responded by adjusting their blocking schemes, running the ball, and passing underneath. 'Tana took one for the team today. It's great offensive adjustment, but bad news for FF players. 
Now we'll see if he bashes Campbell publicly like TO does.
Now we'll see if he bashes Campbell publicly like TO does.
Philly obviously decided to roll coverage to Moss today and to pressure Campbell. The Redskins responded by adjusting their blocking schemes, running the ball, and passing underneath. 'Tana took one for the team today. It's great offensive adjustment, but bad news for FF players.Now we'll see if he bashes Campbell publicly like TO does.
The Eagles did an amazing job of taking out Moss today...unfortunatly for them Portis and Cooley were able to tear them up underneath.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
fatness
against the grain
I just came by to post the same thing. I'm guessing "not".Now we'll see if he bashes Campbell publicly like TO does.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Was just looking around for trade prospects, and I didn't realize just how awesome Moss was in weeks 1-4. Going to take another 0 for him to be a real good buy-low.Grigs Allmoon said:Max Power said:
Diamond One
Footballguy
Yep. Has been & probably always will be even under new management. It's a crap shoot any given week.
Das Boot
Footballguy
sjacksonfan
Footballguy
Can't believe some staff here were touting this guy as a top 10 wr. He may have been the ultimate sell high last week."I couldn't care less about none of that," Moss said. "My whole goal is to do what I can to help this team win. Therefore, that's what I've done. Now, if you threw me a whole bunch of balls and then I was sitting here saying I didn't get but a couple of balls, then I'd be looking like an ###, you know what I mean?
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That's good stuff.
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That's good stuff.
Das Boot
Footballguy
Wow.
Misery loves company! One total point from my WRs today... S. Moss and Calvin J.Ripleys said:Yep. He did KILL me (along with Calvin) today, but sometimes you gotta revert back to just being an NFL fan, enjoying your teams victories, even if you lose at FF. Well, that is easier said than done.
joffer
Footballguy
you're not agreeing with me....FYI
Chief
Footballguy
WOW. me too. sometimes, this "hobby" can drive one to drinkMisery loves company! One total point from my WRs today... S. Moss and Calvin J.Ripleys said:Yep. He did KILL me (along with Calvin) today, but sometimes you gotta revert back to just being an NFL fan, enjoying your teams victories, even if you lose at FF. Well, that is easier said than done.
and not in a happy way.
sjacksonfan
Footballguy
How so? I assumed you were referring to his penchant for disappearing in stretches? Either way, who cares?you're not agreeing with me....FYI
Das Boot
Footballguy
Moss disappeared so badly that his team won the game and he was barely (if at all) targeted.What a bum.How so? I assumed you were referring to his penchant for disappearing in stretches? Either way, who cares?you're not agreeing with me....FYICan't believe some staff here were touting this guy as a top 10 wr. He may have been the ultimate sell high last week.
sjacksonfan
Footballguy
Sorry, I thought we were talking about fantasy football here.Moss disappeared so badly that his team won the game and he was barely (if at all) targeted.What a bum.How so? I assumed you were referring to his penchant for disappearing in stretches? Either way, who cares?you're not agreeing with me....FYI
T Bell
Footballguy
The two aren't mutually exclusive. Moss had two defenders on him all day, which meant that on the rest of the field the Redskins offense was essentially playing with a 10-on-9 advantage all day long. Moss didn't "disappear"; he was taken away by the defense which was in turn forced to neglect his teammates.Sorry, I thought we were talking about fantasy football here.Moss disappeared so badly that his team won the game and he was barely (if at all) targeted.What a bum.How so? I assumed you were referring to his penchant for disappearing in stretches? Either way, who cares?you're not agreeing with me....FYI
Das Boot
Footballguy
Oh, well, I thought since Moss was the #3 scoring FF WR going into today's game that you couldn't possibly be talking about his Fantasy value.Sorry, I thought we were talking about fantasy football here.Moss disappeared so badly that his team won the game and he was barely (if at all) targeted.What a bum.How so? I assumed you were referring to his penchant for disappearing in stretches? Either way, who cares?you're not agreeing with me....FYICan't believe some staff here were touting this guy as a top 10 wr. He may have been the ultimate sell high last week.
sjacksonfan
Footballguy
In my league he was worth 0. Not sure what your point is. What does it matter if he was quadruple covered or dropped 20 balls when he was wide open? Here, I'll save us some time...you: "you're not hearing my point."...me "your point is irrelevant." you "no it's not." me "yes it is."The two aren't mutually exclusive. Moss had two defenders on him all day, which meant that on the rest of the field the Redskins offense was essentially playing with a 10-on-9 advantage all day long. Moss didn't "disappear"; he was taken away by the defense which was in turn forced to neglect his teammates.Sorry, I thought we were talking about fantasy football here.Moss disappeared so badly that his team won the game and he was barely (if at all) targeted.What a bum.How so? I assumed you were referring to his penchant for disappearing in stretches? Either way, who cares?you're not agreeing with me....FYICan't believe some staff here were touting this guy as a top 10 wr. He may have been the ultimate sell high last week.
sjacksonfan
Footballguy
...and Anthony Fasano is a top 5 TE so far....so what?Oh, well, I thought since Moss was the #3 scoring FF WR going into today's game that you couldn't possibly be talking about his Fantasy value.Sorry, I thought we were talking about fantasy football here.Moss disappeared so badly that his team won the game and he was barely (if at all) targeted.What a bum.How so? I assumed you were referring to his penchant for disappearing in stretches? Either way, who cares?you're not agreeing with me....FYI
Das Boot
Footballguy
...and Anthony Fasano is a top 5 TE so far....so what?Oh, well, I thought since Moss was the #3 scoring FF WR going into today's game that you couldn't possibly be talking about his Fantasy value.Sorry, I thought we were talking about fantasy football here.Moss disappeared so badly that his team won the game and he was barely (if at all) targeted.What a bum.How so? I assumed you were referring to his penchant for disappearing in stretches? Either way, who cares?you're not agreeing with me....FYICan't believe some staff here were touting this guy as a top 10 wr. He may have been the ultimate sell high last week.
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
Brandon Marshall only had 25 yards receiving today. It happens. Obviously Philly was hellbent on removing Moss as an option at the expense of leaving other guys open. It didn't work. This in no way says to me that Moss is an unreliable option. I will start him with as much confidence next week as I did the first three weeks. Washington just won two games on the road at Dallas and at Philly--it only gets easier from here on out. Moss is in for an enormous year...there's a lot of folks around here who have been burned by him in the past and simply don't like it.
Das Boot
Footballguy
But Fasano...
T Bell
Footballguy
No, sorry, your summary is off the mark:You: He scored zero points for me!In my league he was worth 0. Not sure what your point is. What does it matter if he was quadruple covered or dropped 20 balls when he was wide open? Here, I'll save us some time...you: "you're not hearing my point."...me "your point is irrelevant." you "no it's not." me "yes it is."The two aren't mutually exclusive. Moss had two defenders on him all day, which meant that on the rest of the field the Redskins offense was essentially playing with a 10-on-9 advantage all day long. Moss didn't "disappear"; he was taken away by the defense which was in turn forced to neglect his teammates.Sorry, I thought we were talking about fantasy football here.Moss disappeared so badly that his team won the game and he was barely (if at all) targeted.What a bum.How so? I assumed you were referring to his penchant for disappearing in stretches? Either way, who cares?you're not agreeing with me....FYI
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sjacksonfan
Footballguy
Do you even read the posts?No, sorry, your summary is off the mark:You: He scored zero points for me!In my league he was worth 0. Not sure what your point is. What does it matter if he was quadruple covered or dropped 20 balls when he was wide open? Here, I'll save us some time...you: "you're not hearing my point."...me "your point is irrelevant." you "no it's not." me "yes it is."The two aren't mutually exclusive. Moss had two defenders on him all day, which meant that on the rest of the field the Redskins offense was essentially playing with a 10-on-9 advantage all day long. Moss didn't "disappear"; he was taken away by the defense which was in turn forced to neglect his teammates.Sorry, I thought we were talking about fantasy football here.Moss disappeared so badly that his team won the game and he was barely (if at all) targeted.What a bum.How so? I assumed you were referring to his penchant for disappearing in stretches? Either way, who cares?you're not agreeing with me....FYIYou: But you promised!
HTH
T Bell
Footballguy
Absolutely. You didn't want to talk football here, you just wanted to moan about how your starting WR got you no points, soDo you even read the posts?No, sorry, your summary is off the mark:You: He scored zero points for me!In my league he was worth 0. Not sure what your point is. What does it matter if he was quadruple covered or dropped 20 balls when he was wide open? Here, I'll save us some time...you: "you're not hearing my point."...me "your point is irrelevant." you "no it's not." me "yes it is."The two aren't mutually exclusive. Moss had two defenders on him all day, which meant that on the rest of the field the Redskins offense was essentially playing with a 10-on-9 advantage all day long. Moss didn't "disappear"; he was taken away by the defense which was in turn forced to neglect his teammates.Sorry, I thought we were talking about fantasy football here.Moss disappeared so badly that his team won the game and he was barely (if at all) targeted.What a bum.How so? I assumed you were referring to his penchant for disappearing in stretches? Either way, who cares?you're not agreeing with me....FYI
sjacksonfan
Footballguy
I don't own Moss.Absolutely. You didn't want to talk football here, you just wanted to moan about how your starting WR got you no points, so
My comment was about the way people overvalued him from a fantasy perspective. Forgive me, I'm new here but are people allowed to talk about this sort of thing on this site? It's a fantasy football site, no? Most of the posts/threads in this forum have more to do with fantasy football then they do non-fantasy/actual NFL thoughts.
Das Boot
Footballguy
There's a mixture of both real NFL and FF opinions of players discussed, and sometimes the lines do get blurred and cause confusion.FF-wise (and NFL-wise) S. Moss is having a fantastic season so far, as are the Redskins.I don't think anyone overvalued Moss this year, most are familar with his one good year and lots of disappointing ones. Without looking it up, I'm sure his ADP was nothing exciting.Each year is different though - new coach, new offensive scheme... there were reasons to at least consider that Moss might be a good value this year.So far he has proven to be, far above and beyond what anyone expected.Will he keep it up?I don't own Moss.Absolutely. You didn't want to talk football here, you just wanted to moan about how your starting WR got you no points, so
We'll have to wait and find out, but so far so good.I'm glad he's on my squad... I didn't like the goose egg today, but it wasn't because Moss was dropping passes and it wasn't because Washington got shut down. It was because Philly decided to take Moss away (which is telling it itself) and take their chances with other players. The rest of the league saw how well that worked out for the Eagles and will think twice about selling out to stop Moss in future defensive schemes.So I figure today's game, with Washington proving they can beat a good team on the road with their best weapon (to date, this year) in Moss taken away, probably means Moss won't get this kind of defensive game planning again.
sjacksonfan
Footballguy
Why didn't you post this the first time instead of the fake sarcasm, kinda jerky stuff?People did overvalue Moss in my opinion and based on your post they still do. I just don't see him as a top 10 guy. People have been making excuses for him not showing up in stretches for years now. This week the excuse is the defense took him away. Next week it'll be that he was dinged up. Then it'll be the emergence of Cooley or that Campbell was focusing on Randle El too much. Past is prologue. He simply had a good 4 week stretch, that was the point I was making by mentioning Fasano. There will be a team in every league that will be counting on Santana Moss down the stretch and Santana Moss will break their heart.There's a mixture of both real NFL and FF opinions of players discussed, and sometimes the lines do get blurred and cause confusion.FF-wise (and NFL-wise) S. Moss is having a fantastic season so far, as are the Redskins.I don't think anyone overvalued Moss this year, most are familar with his one good year and lots of disappointing ones. Without looking it up, I'm sure his ADP was nothing exciting.Each year is different though - new coach, new offensive scheme... there were reasons to at least consider that Moss might be a good value this year.So far he has proven to be, far above and beyond what anyone expected.Will he keep it up?I don't own Moss.Absolutely. You didn't want to talk football here, you just wanted to moan about how your starting WR got you no points, so
T Bell
Footballguy
When was he overvalued? Was it when his ADP was in the low teens or so preseason? How many WR's drafted ahead of Moss this year have owners who wish they'd taken Moss instead? Colston? AJ? How about Randy Moss? You want to talk overvalued, talk about Ocho Cinco. It looks to me like you're guilty of inductive reasoning gone amok after one game where he puts up a zero. I explained why and how Moss had a bad game, and what lengths the Eagles had to go to take Moss away from the Redskins, namely giving up 100+ yards and a score to the Redskins TE, and 200+ yards to their RB's. Do you think that that's the sort of defensive game plan that a lot of teams are going to emulate given what the Redskins were able to do with it? I don't . . . which is why Moss has a lot of value going forward . . . and why my comments are VERY relevant to fantasy football.I don't own Moss.Absolutely. You didn't want to talk football here, you just wanted to moan about how your starting WR got you no points, so
Das Boot
Footballguy
Sorry, I always get aggravated when people - not saying you did in retrospect - but when people complain about a player's 1 week performance to the exclusion of the larger picture.You may be right about Moss, we'll find out.I think it's more likely he continues on to have a great season and does end up as a top 10 or top 15 WR. The pieces are all in place for it, and the Redskins are for real this year with wins on the road already against Dallas and Philly.If anything, the Wash. offense should get better as the year continues... it's still a new scheme to them this year and they'll get better and better at executing it.Out of curiosity I just checked... FBGs had Moss's ADP at 29th as of 8/25.So no matter where he ends up, it's almost a lock he'll outperform his ADP.Why didn't you post this the first time instead of the fake sarcasm, kinda jerky stuff?People did overvalue Moss in my opinion and based on your post they still do. I just don't see him as a top 10 guy. People have been making excuses for him not showing up in stretches for years now. This week the excuse is the defense took him away. Next week it'll be that he was dinged up. Then it'll be the emergence of Cooley or that Campbell was focusing on Randle El too much. Past is prologue. He simply had a good 4 week stretch, that was the point I was making by mentioning Fasano. There will be a team in every league that will be counting on Santana Moss down the stretch and Santana Moss will break their heart.There's a mixture of both real NFL and FF opinions of players discussed, and sometimes the lines do get blurred and cause confusion.FF-wise (and NFL-wise) S. Moss is having a fantastic season so far, as are the Redskins.I don't think anyone overvalued Moss this year, most are familar with his one good year and lots of disappointing ones. Without looking it up, I'm sure his ADP was nothing exciting.Each year is different though - new coach, new offensive scheme... there were reasons to at least consider that Moss might be a good value this year.So far he has proven to be, far above and beyond what anyone expected.Will he keep it up?I don't own Moss.Absolutely. You didn't want to talk football here, you just wanted to moan about how your starting WR got you no points, so
sjacksonfan
Footballguy
I was saying he was over valued going into this week. Some were saying he was a top 10 guy from here on out. Geez. Guy gets drafted in the 20's at his position, then starts the year as a top 3 guy. I simply said he was a perfect example of someone you sell high. Why was that so controversial? People counting on this guy to be a superstud are going to be disappointed.When was he overvalued? Was it when his ADP was in the low teens or so preseason? How many WR's drafted ahead of Moss this year have owners who wish they'd taken Moss instead? Colston? AJ? How about Randy Moss? You want to talk overvalued, talk about Ocho Cinco. It looks to me like you're guilty of inductive reasoning gone amok after one game where he puts up a zero.I don't own Moss.Absolutely. You didn't want to talk football here, you just wanted to moan about how your starting WR got you no points, so
I explained why and how Moss had a bad game, and what lengths the Eagles had to go to take Moss away from the Redskins, namely giving up 100+ yards and a score to the Redskins TE, and 200+ yards to their RB's. Do you think that that's the sort of defensive game plan that a lot of teams are going to emulate given what the Redskins were able to do with it? I don't . . . which is why Moss has a lot of value going forward . . . and why my comments are VERY relevant to fantasy football.
I would say his perfect sell high time would be in 3 weeks. STL, CLE, and DET, should be some high scoring games for the Redskins.I was saying he was over valued going into this week. Some were saying he was a top 10 guy from here on out. Geez. Guy gets drafted in the 20's at his position, then starts the year as a top 3 guy. I simply said he was a perfect example of someone you sell high. Why was that so controversial? People counting on this guy to be a superstud are going to be disappointed.When was he overvalued? Was it when his ADP was in the low teens or so preseason? How many WR's drafted ahead of Moss this year have owners who wish they'd taken Moss instead? Colston? AJ? How about Randy Moss? You want to talk overvalued, talk about Ocho Cinco. It looks to me like you're guilty of inductive reasoning gone amok after one game where he puts up a zero.I don't own Moss.Absolutely. You didn't want to talk football here, you just wanted to moan about how your starting WR got you no points, so
I explained why and how Moss had a bad game, and what lengths the Eagles had to go to take Moss away from the Redskins, namely giving up 100+ yards and a score to the Redskins TE, and 200+ yards to their RB's. Do you think that that's the sort of defensive game plan that a lot of teams are going to emulate given what the Redskins were able to do with it? I don't . . . which is why Moss has a lot of value going forward . . . and why my comments are VERY relevant to fantasy football.
sjacksonfan
Footballguy
At this point I don't think it's possible for him NOT to outperform his ADP but that's water under the bridge. The real question is what will he do from here on out. My point was people see that hot start and think this guy is a top 10 guy. I'm saying sell high if you can. Get a guy better than Moss and really outperform that ADP.Sorry, I always get aggravated when people - not saying you did in retrospect - but when people complain about a player's 1 week performance to the exclusion of the larger picture.You may be right about Moss, we'll find out.I think it's more likely he continues on to have a great season and does end up as a top 10 or top 15 WR. The pieces are all in place for it, and the Redskins are for real this year with wins on the road already against Dallas and Philly.If anything, the Wash. offense should get better as the year continues... it's still a new scheme to them this year and they'll get better and better at executing it.Out of curiosity I just checked... FBGs had Moss's ADP at 29th as of 8/25.So no matter where he ends up, it's almost a lock he'll outperform his ADP.Why didn't you post this the first time instead of the fake sarcasm, kinda jerky stuff?People did overvalue Moss in my opinion and based on your post they still do. I just don't see him as a top 10 guy. People have been making excuses for him not showing up in stretches for years now. This week the excuse is the defense took him away. Next week it'll be that he was dinged up. Then it'll be the emergence of Cooley or that Campbell was focusing on Randle El too much. Past is prologue. He simply had a good 4 week stretch, that was the point I was making by mentioning Fasano. There will be a team in every league that will be counting on Santana Moss down the stretch and Santana Moss will break their heart.There's a mixture of both real NFL and FF opinions of players discussed, and sometimes the lines do get blurred and cause confusion.FF-wise (and NFL-wise) S. Moss is having a fantastic season so far, as are the Redskins.I don't think anyone overvalued Moss this year, most are familar with his one good year and lots of disappointing ones. Without looking it up, I'm sure his ADP was nothing exciting.Each year is different though - new coach, new offensive scheme... there were reasons to at least consider that Moss might be a good value this year.So far he has proven to be, far above and beyond what anyone expected.Will he keep it up?I don't own Moss.Absolutely. You didn't want to talk football here, you just wanted to moan about how your starting WR got you no points, so
Das Boot
Footballguy
For some players and situations I agree, trade 'em if you can while their value is high.For Moss this year, I think it's more likely trading him would end up being a mistake than a good move.Besides, it always sounds easier than it is to trade high... most owners won't yet offer what Moss should fetch, in large part due to the same concerns and memories you have of his past years.Regardless, I'm holding on to Moss and glad to have him.At this point I don't think it's possible for him NOT to outperform his ADP but that's water under the bridge. The real question is what will he do from here on out. My point was people see that hot start and think this guy is a top 10 guy. I'm saying sell high if you can. Get a guy better than Moss and really outperform that ADP.Sorry, I always get aggravated when people - not saying you did in retrospect - but when people complain about a player's 1 week performance to the exclusion of the larger picture.You may be right about Moss, we'll find out.I think it's more likely he continues on to have a great season and does end up as a top 10 or top 15 WR. The pieces are all in place for it, and the Redskins are for real this year with wins on the road already against Dallas and Philly.If anything, the Wash. offense should get better as the year continues... it's still a new scheme to them this year and they'll get better and better at executing it.Out of curiosity I just checked... FBGs had Moss's ADP at 29th as of 8/25.So no matter where he ends up, it's almost a lock he'll outperform his ADP.Why didn't you post this the first time instead of the fake sarcasm, kinda jerky stuff?People did overvalue Moss in my opinion and based on your post they still do. I just don't see him as a top 10 guy. People have been making excuses for him not showing up in stretches for years now. This week the excuse is the defense took him away. Next week it'll be that he was dinged up. Then it'll be the emergence of Cooley or that Campbell was focusing on Randle El too much. Past is prologue. He simply had a good 4 week stretch, that was the point I was making by mentioning Fasano. There will be a team in every league that will be counting on Santana Moss down the stretch and Santana Moss will break their heart.There's a mixture of both real NFL and FF opinions of players discussed, and sometimes the lines do get blurred and cause confusion.FF-wise (and NFL-wise) S. Moss is having a fantastic season so far, as are the Redskins.I don't think anyone overvalued Moss this year, most are familar with his one good year and lots of disappointing ones. Without looking it up, I'm sure his ADP was nothing exciting.Each year is different though - new coach, new offensive scheme... there were reasons to at least consider that Moss might be a good value this year.So far he has proven to be, far above and beyond what anyone expected.Will he keep it up?I don't own Moss.Absolutely. You didn't want to talk football here, you just wanted to moan about how your starting WR got you no points, so
Hoart Petterson
Footballguy
I agree that Moss was a nice pick this year that will outperform his adp, I also agree he's a guy you sell high if you can snag a proven stud who's gotten out of the gate slow. Moss was a beast a few years ago, then the offense slowed and he was hurt last year. If he stays healthy I guess the question is how good is the redskin offense as opposed to the last few years? I didn't see the game today but saw that Philly had a nice start then went in the tank around the time Westy came out.
you don't get it rams fan. Santana Moss is a great WR. He always has been since arriving in DC. Only an injured hammy, and a poor conservative offense could slow him down. Perhaps you should watch a few Skins games this year before assuming there is no way he finishes in the top 10.
