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Santonio Holmes...... done ? (1 Viewer)

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(KFFL) Gerry Dulac, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports former NFL executive Ken Herock claims he thought Pittsburgh Steelers WR Santonio Holmes was a problem "ready to explode." Herock is a former pro personnel director with the Oakland Raiders, Atlanta Falcons and Green Bay Packers. He has a service called "Pro Prep" in which he counsels and prepares college players on how to conduct themselves in interviews for the NFL Draft. Herock worked with Holmes in January and said, "I had an impression of the kid, where he was from, such a tough area, but soon as he told me he had three kids I knew it was going to be a problem. He was dirt poor, all of a sudden he's got a little money, you get a little rambunctious. But I would have never thought it would happen now. I thought he might explode in year two or three. Add it up -- no money, poor family background, three kids already -- something's going to happen."

:tfp:

 
:shrug:

Guy hasn't even played an NFL down yet. Chill, people.
and he's already stringing together arrests ;)
I'll wait until he gets caught beating his wife while being caught with human growth hormone. Until then, I'll wait until something actually happens. :D
 
(KFFL) Gerry Dulac, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports former NFL executive Ken Herock claims he thought Pittsburgh Steelers WR Santonio Holmes was a problem "ready to explode." Herock is a former pro personnel director with the Oakland Raiders, Atlanta Falcons and Green Bay Packers. He has a service called "Pro Prep" in which he counsels and prepares college players on how to conduct themselves in interviews for the NFL Draft. Herock worked with Holmes in January and said, "I had an impression of the kid, where he was from, such a tough area, but soon as he told me he had three kids I knew it was going to be a problem. He was dirt poor, all of a sudden he's got a little money, you get a little rambunctious. But I would have never thought it would happen now. I thought he might explode in year two or three. Add it up -- no money, poor family background, three kids already -- something's going to happen."

:tfp:
He may not catch Jerry Rice's records, but he sure is giving Shawn Kemp and Scottie Pippen a run for their $$$.
 
One thing is clear. Holmes is at a crossroads as to how he wants to live his life. There are many examples of failed athletes so the hand writing is on the wall. Will he read it? :confused:

 
:shrug:

Guy hasn't even played an NFL down yet.  Chill, people.
and he's already stringing together arrests ;)
I would be lying if I said that Holmes doesn't worry me but his first arrest was bogus.The second arrest on domestic abuse is definitely more troublesome. I am hoping it was overblown a little because the victim was not the one that called the police to the house, she did not file for a PFA order and she asked for him to be released at his arraignment.

If I were the Steelers I would hire a babysitter for Holmes to keep him out of trouble until training camp starts.

 
Local Shelter Head Asks Steelers To Reconsider Signing Holmes

6/27/2006

PITTSBURGH -- The executive director of the city's Women's Center and Shelter had strong words for Steelers first-round draft pick Santonio Holmes.

Shirl Regan wrote a letter to the editor asking the Steelers to consider not signing Holmes to a big money contract.

"I really wanted to say something that would gather attention to this issue. I wanted people to start having a discussion," Regan said.

Regan did just that.

During a Monday appearance on ESPN Radio 1250, she said, "I would suggest the Steelers slow down and look at the whole issue before they sign the guy, allowing for due process to take place."

Regan's letter called for the Steelers to consider not signing the troubled rookie receiver, saying "What kind of example will Bill Cohwer, the Rooney family and the Steelers set if they invite Santonio Holmes to sign a contract?"

"I don't know this young man. He may have a lot of good traits in him. But if this is indeed the case, he needs to be called on it," Regan said.

Regan may not know Holmes well, but she knows other Steelers players like running back Duce Staley, whose foundation has formed an alliance with the women's shelter.

"I watched the young men who came with Duce and I was so impressed with their generosity and their compassion, their interaction with the mothers and the kids. And I realized what power they have," Regan said.

So what should happen to Holmes?

If found guilty, Regan believes there should be repercussions.

If not, she said Holmes still needs to take a stand.

"For him to take stand as a father is one thing, and for him to take a stand as a No. 1 draft pick that everyone is so excited about and to say, 'No I did not do this,' and 'I don't condone it in anybody's home,'" Regan said.

Regan is not alone in her stance on Holmes.

In a recent Pittsburgh Channel nonscientific survey, 71 percent of respondents said Holmes should be released.

The Steelers had no comment on Tuesday.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com

This kid has very little time to start "getting it".

 
nice thread title :thumbdown:
No kidding. Where is this "done" from?
No disrespect but there's a difference in "?" and "!". If it was an "!" then I could see your point but with all the questions concerning Holmes attitude and behavior the title is valid.
 
Local Shelter Head Asks Steelers To Reconsider Signing Holmes

6/27/2006

PITTSBURGH -- The executive director of the city's Women's Center and Shelter had strong words for Steelers first-round draft pick Santonio Holmes.

Shirl Regan wrote a letter to the editor asking the Steelers to consider not signing Holmes to a big money contract.

"I really wanted to say something that would gather attention to this issue. I wanted people to start having a discussion," Regan said.

Regan did just that.

During a Monday appearance on ESPN Radio 1250, she said, "I would suggest the Steelers slow down and look at the whole issue before they sign the guy, allowing for due process to take place."

Regan's letter called for the Steelers to consider not signing the troubled rookie receiver, saying "What kind of example will Bill Cohwer, the Rooney family and the Steelers set if they invite Santonio Holmes to sign a contract?"

"I don't know this young man. He may have a lot of good traits in him. But if this is indeed the case, he needs to be called on it," Regan said.

Regan may not know Holmes well, but she knows other Steelers players like running back Duce Staley, whose foundation has formed an alliance with the women's shelter.

"I watched the young men who came with Duce and I was so impressed with their generosity and their compassion, their interaction with the mothers and the kids. And I realized what power they have," Regan said.

So what should happen to Holmes?

If found guilty, Regan believes there should be repercussions.

If not, she said Holmes still needs to take a stand.

"For him to take stand as a father is one thing, and for him to take a stand as a No. 1 draft pick that everyone is so excited about and to say, 'No I did not do this,' and 'I don't condone it in anybody's home,'" Regan said.

Regan is not alone in her stance on Holmes.

In a recent Pittsburgh Channel nonscientific survey, 71 percent of respondents said Holmes should be released.

The Steelers had no comment on Tuesday.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com

This kid has very little time to start "getting it".
When the Steelers start taking advice on player signings from the director of the Pittsburgh Women's Center then it will be time for me to stop watching football and start a fantasy figure skating league.
 
Screw da money yo, knowimsayin...he gotsta stay true to da game and represent...knowimsayin'. If you gots da game like he do, knowimsayin, da cabbage will flow, knowimsayin'. But you GOTSTA hold it down for da homies in da hood, knowimsayin. You betta recugnize where it is you comes from, knowimsayin', and stay true to yo hood. Knowimsayin'?

 
Screw da money yo, knowimsayin...he gotsta stay true to da game and represent...knowimsayin'. If you gots da game like he do, knowimsayin, da cabbage will flow, knowimsayin'. But you GOTSTA hold it down for da homies in da hood, knowimsayin. You betta recugnize where it is you comes from, knowimsayin', and stay true to yo hood. Knowimsayin'?
Ha :no:
 
Giants trading down for Sinorice Moss and getting Kiwi instead looks better and better every day!!!!

 
KFFL only took part of the P-G story, read Herock's other quotes:

Counselor saw Holmes' trouble coming

"Add it up -- no money, poor family background, three kids already -- something's going to happen."

Wednesday, June 28, 2006

By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

When the Steelers picked him with the 25th overall selection in the NFL draft, Santonio Holmes was viewed as something more than just a replacement for Antwaan Randle El. He was a talented, big-play receiver from Ohio State who also was an outstanding punt returner, a player of such skill that the Steelers traded up seven spots in the draft to select him.

By all accounts, according to coaches and scouts, Holmes was a nice, likeable person who had helped his single-parent mother raise her four children in the tough, crime-infested neighborhood of Belle Glade, Fla., just south of West Palm Beach. When he reported to the team's minicamp a week later, Steelers coaches were impressed with his personality as much as with his physical skills.

Almost nobody could foresee what would transpire after that.

In a span of 25 days, Holmes, 22, was arrested in two cities, the most recent -- and more serious -- on a charge of domestic violence and assault against the mother of one of his three children. That does not include an arrest in November 2003, when he was charged with disorderly conduct in connection with an altercation outside an Ohio State campus dormitory in which four women reported being assaulted.

Not only has his off-field behavior raised questions about his character, but it also could result in punishment and possible suspension by the NFL for violation of its personal-conduct policy, even though Holmes has not signed a contract with the Steelers.

But at least one former NFL executive who deals with college football players said he thought Holmes was a problem "ready to explode."

Ken Herock, a former pro personnel director with the Oakland Raiders, Atlanta Falcons and Green Bay Packers, has a service called "Pro Prep" in which he counsels and prepares college players on how to conduct themselves in interviews for the NFL draft. As part of the process, Herock teaches players who have legal or behavioral problems what to say in interviews with NFL coaches and general managers.

Herock, a Munhall native, worked with Holmes in January.

Two years ago, he helped Ben Roethlisberger prep for the NFL draft.

"I had an impression of the kid, where he was from, such a tough area, but soon as he told me he had three kids I knew it was going to be a problem," Herock said. "He was dirt poor, all of a sudden he's got a little money, you get a little rambunctious.

"But I would have never thought it would happen now. I thought he might explode in year two or three. Add it up -- no money, poor family background, three kids already -- something's going to happen."

An unmarried father of three

Holmes has two sons -- Santonio III, 4, and Nicori, 25 months -- who live with his mother, Patricia Brown, in Belle Glade. He also has a daughter, Shaniya, 4 months, with another woman, Lashae Boone, who lives in Columbus, Ohio. Holmes has never been married.

Some draft experts thought his status as an unmarried father of three could hurt Holmes' position in the draft. But he ended up being the first wide receiver selected when the Steelers traded from No. 32 to No. 25 to get him.

"Does he take his kids on the field with him?" Chicago Bears coach Lovie Smith said to the Akron Beacon Journal in March, after observing a Holmes workout at Ohio State. "Very seldom do guys go into that once they're on the football field. Things like that happen. We're looking at his character on the field. We look at character when they break the law, but that's not breaking any laws. That's a part of society."

It was Boone who called police, June 19, and alleged in an affidavit Holmes was "choking [her], throwing her to the ground ... and slamming her into a door," leading to his arrest on charges of domestic violence and assault. Both charges are first-degree misdemeanors.

Holmes pleaded not guilty and was released the following day on a $3,500 recognizance bond. A pretrial hearing has been scheduled July 7 before Judge Michael Brandt in Columbus.

At the time of his arrest, Holmes also was issued a traffic order for failing to pay a fine for an accident Oct. 19, 2005. Holmes rear-ended another vehicle on Interstate 70, west of Columbus, according to Mike Woods, a public information officer for the Columbus Police. Holmes was issued a citation for Assured Clear Distance Ahead, a misdemeanor, and failed to pay the fine by an appointed date.

"I'm surprised what's happening to him now," Herock said. "It was something I thought might occur later. But I thought something will happen, cause him to explode, because I know the background. Not something serious, maybe a fight in a bar or something, maybe a domestic issue, but something was going to happen."

The domestic violence charge came less than a month after Holmes was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct May 27 in the South Beach section of Miami Beach, Fla.

According to a police report, Holmes was observed walking in the middle of the road on Collins Avenue, a trendy South Beach street of outdoor bars and restaurants. When traffic became disrupted, a police officer told Holmes to "get out of the street." According to the report, Holmes "said several offensive words" to the police officer and was arrested.

Holmes was released without bail on a promissory note and promised to return for a later hearing. A hearing is scheduled July 12 before Judge Darrin Gayles in Miami Beach courthouse, five days after his hearing in Columbus.

That, though, wasn't the first time Holmes had been arrested.

Can problem be solved?

Three years ago, Holmes and Ohio State teammate Troy Smith were charged with disorderly conduct after a Nov. 16, 2003, altercation outside a campus dormitory involving four Buckeyes players and four female students -- an incident in which the university said the players were acting as peacemakers. The attorney for the female students said one woman's wrist was broken, and another woman was "choked unconscious" in the altercation.

Holmes was held out of the opening series in the following game against Michigan as punishment and pleaded not guilty to the charge in January 2004. But the charge was dismissed later when a prosecution witness could not identify him.

Ohio State coach Jim Tressel declined to be interviewed for the story.

Herock said he is able to recognize potential problems in players because he deals with so many who have had behavioral or legal problems. When he interviews them, Herock requires the player to be totally honest and "confess their sins" so he is able to help prepare their answers when NFL coaches and general managers ask them about their problems.

Herock said Holmes was "very pleasant ... a bright kid, a sharp kid." He said he thinks Holmes won't have any more off-field problems.

"He's smart enough to know. He's going to change. He's smart enough to realize, 'This is going to kill me. I got to stop.' I think he will mature. This will stop. I don't think it will be a habitual thing."

The day after he was released from jail in Columbus, Holmes was at the Steelers' office on the South Side for a scheduled three-day workout with receivers coach Bruce Arians. At the time, Holmes released a statement, apologizing for his recent behavior.

"I understand that being a Pittsburgh Steeler carries along with it the demands for responsible behavior off the field," Holmes said. "I want to apologize for the negative attention that my arrest on Monday has brought the Pittsburgh Steelers organization, especially in light of my previous arrest in May."

Nonetheless, Holmes could receive some form of punishment from the NFL, even a suspension.

Even though he hasn't signed a contract, Holmes is subject to the league's personal-conduct policy because the code applies to "all rookie players once they are selected in the NFL college draft." Among the prohibited conduct cited in the policy is "any crime involving the use of threat or physical violence to a person or persons." If a player is convicted of or admits to a second criminal violation, he can be "suspended without pay or banished for a period of time" determined by commissioner Paul Tagliabue.

Players who are arrested or charged with conduct prohibited by the policy are required to have a clinical evaluation and, if appropriate, additional counseling.

"He's a great all-around kid," said Willie Bueno, Holmes' former coach at Glades Central High School. "He did all the things asked of a player. Even when he came out [for football] as a freshman, he was a leader. He was committed he was going to use [football] to get to school."
 
I would be lying if I said that Holmes doesn't worry me but his first arrest was bogus.

The second arrest on domestic abuse is definitely more troublesome.
I agree with both parts of that. It's also worrisome that he's in trouble before training camp and before signing a contract. He's got time to turn himself around, though.
 
Screw da money yo, knowimsayin...he gotsta stay true to da game and represent...knowimsayin'. If you gots da game like he do, knowimsayin, da cabbage will flow, knowimsayin'. But you GOTSTA hold it down for da homies in da hood, knowimsayin. You betta recugnize where it is you comes from, knowimsayin', and stay true to yo hood. Knowimsayin'?
You're a complete moron.
 
Screw da money yo, knowimsayin...he gotsta stay true to da game and represent...knowimsayin'.  If you gots da game like he do, knowimsayin, da cabbage will flow, knowimsayin'.  But you GOTSTA hold it down for da homies in da hood, knowimsayin.  You betta recugnize where it is you comes from, knowimsayin', and stay true to yo hood.  Knowimsayin'?
You're a complete moron.
:eek: :lmao: :lmao: kNOWIMSAYIN!

Get over yourself. :rolleyes:

 
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You're breaking my heart. Get a sense of humor.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
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(KFFL). Add it up -- no money, poor family background, three kids already -- something's going to happen."

:tfp:
That's a stupid comment. On what background is Herock basing this on?I'd guess most if not a great percentage of NFL player come from no money. I'd like to see anyone, someone, please show me stats that having 3 kids at an early age is prone to make someone explode when they start making money.

 
(KFFL). Add it up -- no money, poor family background, three kids already -- something's going to happen."

:tfp:
That's a stupid comment. On what background is Herock basing this on?I'd guess most if not a great percentage of NFL player come from no money. I'd like to see anyone, someone, please show me stats that having 3 kids at an early age is prone to make someone explode when they start making money.
Exactly. Probably 80% of the players in the league come from backgrounds like that and we don't see 80% of the players getting arrested for domestic violence (maybe 50%). He's just gotta make a decision on what he wants to do with his life. Run with gang-bangin homies, or make millions in the NFL and support his kids? Pretty hard decision if ya ask me. :rolleyes:
 
Screw da money yo, knowimsayin...he gotsta stay true to da game and represent...knowimsayin'. If you gots da game like he do, knowimsayin, da cabbage will flow, knowimsayin'. But you GOTSTA hold it down for da homies in da hood, knowimsayin. You betta recugnize where it is you comes from, knowimsayin', and stay true to yo hood. Knowimsayin'?
You're a complete moron.
:eek: :lmao: :lmao: kNOWIMSAYIN!

Get over yourself. :rolleyes:
This is not humorous; it's ignorant at best. :thumbdown:
 
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:(

:rolleyes:

 
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Okay you overly senstitive people, lets get back on topic: Santonio Holmes.

I'm seriously paying more attention to "character" issues next time I have a rookie draft. I have Holmes in ALL my leagues. :(

 
Okay you overly senstitive people, lets get back on topic: Santonio Holmes.

I'm seriously paying more attention to "character" issues next time I have a rookie draft. I have Holmes in ALL my leagues. :(
:goodposting: I wasn't impressed with the WR's in this years draft in the first place. I considered snagging holmes with the 1.13 pick in my draft since I felt he was the most polished, but I ended up going with Norwood instead. I've been patting myself on the back ever since.

 
(KFFL) Gerry Dulac, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports former NFL executive Ken Herock claims he thought Pittsburgh Steelers WR Santonio Holmes was a problem "ready to explode." Herock is a former pro personnel director with the Oakland Raiders, Atlanta Falcons and Green Bay Packers. He has a service called "Pro Prep" in which he counsels and prepares college players on how to conduct themselves in interviews for the NFL Draft. Herock worked with Holmes in January and said, "I had an impression of the kid, where he was from, such a tough area, but soon as he told me he had three kids I knew it was going to be a problem. He was dirt poor, all of a sudden he's got a little money, you get a little rambunctious. But I would have never thought it would happen now. I thought he might explode in year two or three. Add it up -- no money, poor family background, three kids already -- something's going to happen."

:tfp:
THAT'S BULLCRAP!!!!! Holmes was a model citizen at THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY!!!! Yes he's made a couple of bad choices recently, but I'd be willing to bet he'll learn and it won't EVER happen again. I can see it now, come December ESPN will have a special piece on Holmes and how his start in the NFL was rough due to his own actions. Then how he turned it around, made it a positive, and now is a leading Rookie of the Year canidate.I hate the Steelers, but like some of there players, too bad for me they drafted a straight up stud in Holmes, e'll prove it starting now!!

 
Screw da money yo, knowimsayin...he gotsta stay true to da game and represent...knowimsayin'. If you gots da game like he do, knowimsayin, da cabbage will flow, knowimsayin'. But you GOTSTA hold it down for da homies in da hood, knowimsayin. You betta recugnize where it is you comes from, knowimsayin', and stay true to yo hood. Knowimsayin'?
You're kind of "special" arent you little fella?awesome squad though!!!! :lmao:

 
Screw da money yo, knowimsayin...he gotsta stay true to da game and represent...knowimsayin'.  If you gots da game like he do, knowimsayin, da cabbage will flow, knowimsayin'.  But you GOTSTA hold it down for da homies in da hood, knowimsayin.  You betta recugnize where it is you comes from, knowimsayin', and stay true to yo hood.  Knowimsayin'?
You're a complete moron.
:eek: :lmao: :lmao: kNOWIMSAYIN!

Get over yourself. :rolleyes:
This is not humorous; it's ignorant at best. :thumbdown:
You know what guys - I found it FUNNY AS ####! So it IS humerous to some people who MAY find it funny.What is NOT humorous is that some of these millionaire athletes actually do act like idiots and also do speak in this ignorant manner. Maybe that is what you meant to say.

 
Screw da money yo, knowimsayin...he gotsta stay true to da game and represent...knowimsayin'.  If you gots da game like he do, knowimsayin, da cabbage will flow, knowimsayin'.  But you GOTSTA hold it down for da homies in da hood, knowimsayin.  You betta recugnize where it is you comes from, knowimsayin', and stay true to yo hood.  Knowimsayin'?
You're a complete moron.
:eek: :lmao: :lmao: kNOWIMSAYIN!

Get over yourself. :rolleyes:
This is not humorous; it's ignorant at best. :thumbdown:
You know what guys - I found it FUNNY AS ####! So it IS humerous to some people who MAY find it funny.What is NOT humorous is that some of these millionaire athletes actually do act like idiots and also do speak in this ignorant manner. Maybe that is what you meant to say.
Finally! Someone who gets it! Be prepared for the "ignorant" name calling though. :rolleyes: :angry:

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As a matter of fact one of the local sports radio shows here in KC interviewed Sammie Parker (I think) and within a 2 minute interview they have him quoted as saying: "knowimsayin" like 38 times!!!

 
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Screw da money yo, knowimsayin...he gotsta stay true to da game and represent...knowimsayin'.  If you gots da game like he do, knowimsayin, da cabbage will flow, knowimsayin'.  But you GOTSTA hold it down for da homies in da hood, knowimsayin.  You betta recugnize where it is you comes from, knowimsayin', and stay true to yo hood.  Knowimsayin'?
You're a complete moron.
:eek: :lmao: :lmao: kNOWIMSAYIN!

Get over yourself. :rolleyes:
This is not humorous; it's ignorant at best. :thumbdown:
You know what guys - I found it FUNNY AS ####! So it IS humerous to some people who MAY find it funny.What is NOT humorous is that some of these millionaire athletes actually do act like idiots and also do speak in this ignorant manner. Maybe that is what you meant to say.
Finally! Someone who gets it! Be prepared for the "ignorant" name calling though. :rolleyes: :angry:
Ahh well--to continue the hijack...I can see where you intended it to be funny. You should understand that it comes across as seriously prejudiced.

 
Screw da money yo, knowimsayin...he gotsta stay true to da game and represent...knowimsayin'.  If you gots da game like he do, knowimsayin, da cabbage will flow, knowimsayin'.  But you GOTSTA hold it down for da homies in da hood, knowimsayin.  You betta recugnize where it is you comes from, knowimsayin', and stay true to yo hood.  Knowimsayin'?
You're a complete moron.
:eek: :lmao: :lmao: kNOWIMSAYIN!

Get over yourself. :rolleyes:
This is not humorous; it's ignorant at best. :thumbdown:
You know what guys - I found it FUNNY AS ####! So it IS humerous to some people who MAY find it funny.What is NOT humorous is that some of these millionaire athletes actually do act like idiots and also do speak in this ignorant manner. Maybe that is what you meant to say.
Finally! Someone who gets it! Be prepared for the "ignorant" name calling though. :rolleyes: :angry:
Ahh well--to continue the hijack...I can see where you intended it to be funny. You should understand that it comes across as seriously prejudiced.
Dear God...here we go again. I have black friends and that is how they talk. They know it...who cares? Because I'm white it means I can't quote black lingo? My intentions were never racial. Can we go back to talking about Santonio's rap sheet please and drop the name calling?

 
(KFFL) Gerry Dulac, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports former NFL executive Ken Herock claims he thought Pittsburgh Steelers WR Santonio Holmes was a problem "ready to explode." Herock is a former pro personnel director with the Oakland Raiders, Atlanta Falcons and Green Bay Packers. He has a service called "Pro Prep" in which he counsels and prepares college players on how to conduct themselves in interviews for the NFL Draft. Herock worked with Holmes in January and said, "I had an impression of the kid, where he was from, such a tough area, but soon as he told me he had three kids I knew it was going to be a problem. He was dirt poor, all of a sudden he's got a little money, you get a little rambunctious. But I would have never thought it would happen now. I thought he might explode in year two or three. Add it up -- no money, poor family background, three kids already -- something's going to happen."

:tfp:
THAT'S BULLCRAP!!!!! Holmes was a model citizen at THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY!!!! Yes he's made a couple of bad choices recently, but I'd be willing to bet he'll learn and it won't EVER happen again. I can see it now, come December ESPN will have a special piece on Holmes and how his start in the NFL was rough due to his own actions. Then how he turned it around, made it a positive, and now is a leading Rookie of the Year canidate.I hate the Steelers, but like some of there players, too bad for me they drafted a straight up stud in Holmes, e'll prove it starting now!!
If I remember correctly, Holmes stepped out of line when he was a freshman and took a lot of heat, he then cleaned up his act during his college career. So I tend to think that he'll learn and clean up his act again.Now if he holds out for a good bit of time and isn't an outgoing team leader it will be almost impossible to win over the fans.

 
One thing is clear. Holmes is at a crossroads as to how he wants to live his life. There are many examples of failed athletes so the hand writing is on the wall. Will he read it? :confused:
It may be more appropriate to ask "can he read it"?
 
One thing is clear.  Holmes is at a crossroads as to how he wants to live his life.  There are many examples of failed athletes so the hand writing is on the wall.  Will he read it?  :confused:
It may be more appropriate to ask "can he read it"?
I tend not to stereotype but whatever you're into
 
(KFFL) Gerry Dulac, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports former NFL executive Ken Herock claims he thought Pittsburgh Steelers WR Santonio Holmes was a problem "ready to explode." Herock is a former pro personnel director with the Oakland Raiders, Atlanta Falcons and Green Bay Packers. He has a service called "Pro Prep" in which he counsels and prepares college players on how to conduct themselves in interviews for the NFL Draft. Herock worked with Holmes in January and said, "I had an impression of the kid, where he was from, such a tough area, but soon as he told me he had three kids I knew it was going to be a problem. He was dirt poor, all of a sudden he's got a little money, you get a little rambunctious. But I would have never thought it would happen now. I thought he might explode in year two or three. Add it up -- no money, poor family background, three kids already -- something's going to happen."

:tfp:
THAT'S BULLCRAP!!!!! Holmes was a model citizen at THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY!!!! Yes he's made a couple of bad choices recently, but I'd be willing to bet he'll learn and it won't EVER happen again. I can see it now, come December ESPN will have a special piece on Holmes and how his start in the NFL was rough due to his own actions. Then how he turned it around, made it a positive, and now is a leading Rookie of the Year canidate.I hate the Steelers, but like some of there players, too bad for me they drafted a straight up stud in Holmes, e'll prove it starting now!!
I REALLY HOPE THIS IS :sarcasm: OTHERWISE I HAVE TO THINK SOMEBODY IS TOKING THE REFER.
 
We all know SH has some decisions to make. Either he will clean up his act and be a part of a successfull NFl franchise remains to be seen. If he doesn't, well, he'll have a much harder time supporting his 3 kids doing something other than playing football.

Straight from PFT.

"(Is it just us, or does Herock's decision to talk publicly -- and negatively -- about a guy who paid for Herock's services reflect incredibly poor judgment? Maybe Herock's inability to realize that he should have been a bit more discreet also traces to "no money, poor family background, three kids already.")"

:yes:

 
Remember, all of this happened while he was prevented from working out with the team due to college requirements.

 

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