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Santonio Holmes had 824 receiving yards last season, but you barely hear a peep about him on these boards. What do people think about his long-term prospects? He was the first WR drafted last year and appears to be in a pretty good situation with a solid young QB throwing him the ball. Did this guy impress Steelers homers? Do you think he's going to be a star?

 
He really came on toward the end of the year. He had significant problems with fumbling the ball through midseason, particularly on returns. But on the whole, a pretty good rookie season for a WR. I believe he will be the opening day starter at Split End next year, bumping Cedrick Wilson down to WR3.

 
Maybe I'm off base, but he actually reminds me a bit of Marvin Harrison. He has a similar skill set and body type. Of course, it would be stupid to assume he's going to have the same kind of career.

 
EBF said:
Maybe I'm off base, but he actually reminds me a bit of Marvin Harrison. He has a similar skill set and body type. Of course, it would be stupid to assume he's going to have the same kind of career.
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Given Harrison's stellar career, it's a tough comparison......but I agree. Harrison is the best route-runner in the NFL, while Holmes was the best route-runner out of college last year. The both have similar size / speed.Holmes pre-season brushes with the law tainted his rookie season. As Holmes becomes less like Pac-Man, we could see him develop more into a Harrison-type receiver.
 
EBF said:
Santonio Holmes had 824 receiving yards last season, but you barely hear a peep about him on these boards. What do people think about his long-term prospects? He was the first WR drafted last year and appears to be in a pretty good situation with a solid young QB throwing him the ball. Did this guy impress Steelers homers? Do you think he's going to be a star?
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It was quiet. I think he's got the potential to be a stud. He showed improvement as the season wore on and it was clear the Steelers leaned on him more and more. As an OSU fan, I'm not surprised. He demonstrated great route running skills, excellent hands and the ability to find open spaces. He's not the fastest guy but does have good speed. He may not have the career Harrison has had, few ever will, but he will become a solid player for years to come. As long as he keeps his nose clean and lives right he should be solid.
 
With the Chin stepping down and personel focus allready on building the offense around big Ben I think Holmes has a pretty good situation as far as opportunity goes to possibly become a top 12 Wr in the next 2 years.

Ward/Holmes/Miller is a good trio of targets. Nate Washington makes another good target in 3 WR sets. They still have a running game to keep defenses honest but I see them shifting towards a pass 1st mentality allready.

I like Holmes's prospects moving forward. For now Ward is still the man. How long it takes for a changing of the guard or a WR1A/WR1B situation is what I am still uncertain of. That could happen as soon as 2007 or we may have to wait another year or so for that to happen while Holmes makes modest improvements in the meantime.

Washington looks ready to take over for Ward when he moves on. In that scenario I see Holmes being the WR1 with Washington keeping defenses honest but not getting as many targets as Holmes.

Ward just signed to a large contract. So how long he stays with the Steelers is the main thing I see possibly holding Holmes back.

 
Just to nitpick, cuz I'm interested in the topic:

Thing about the Harrison comparisons that don't jive, with me anyway....at one point in his career Harrison was one of the best WRs I've ever seen at beating the double. He had to be. He was constantly drawing it pre-Reggie Wayne playing with the list of castoffs the Colts ran out there as #2's. While Holmes does, indeed, have the same size/speed/route running thing going for him that Harrison did I don't see him as a guy who can consistently beat the double like Marvin used to. Maybe he'll develop in that regard. Remains to be seen.

I'm a Steeler fan, watched practically all the games, and I like what I saw from Holmes at the end of the season. He got better as the year went on, managed to keep his name out of the police blotter after his offseason junk got behind him and put up some really decent #s. Especially when you consider he was a "non-starter." Not bad at all. He should be in a pretty good situation going forward. Tough for me to ever compare guys with one year experience to a guy with over 10 years of productivity, but Holmes should be pretty solid. I think having Ward around, healthy and productive, actually helps him more than it hurts. Less double teams and, hopefully, a great influence on him. He just needs to eliminate putting the ball on the ground now and he should be set....even though most of those were on STs. Personally, I don't think he should be used as a returner. As a pure returner, Willie Reid blows him away. Had Reid not been injured for what amounted to the whole season Holmes may not have been called on to return much anyway, so in the future it probably won't be a concern.

 
Firstly, all those comparing holmes to Harrison are fools. Maybe not fools, but certainly are being foolish. DID YOU WATCH HIM RUN ROUTES THIS YEAR???? I can't tell you how many of Bens INTs were the fault of poor route running by Holmes. The first half of the season his head was not in the game, rookie mistakes or brain farts, what have you, he was poor. Comparisons to the best route runner in the NFL are rediculous.

On pure talent catching the ball, to this I give him credit. He caught some nice passes and has a nice potential to gain yardage after the catch. If anyone I can compare him to Ward, since hes never down in his eyes. Hes not as good as Ward, nor is he as tough, but a comparison between the two is somewhat credible in some ways.

Punt returns. Oh My God. No. No more, as a fan, please.. stop.

 
No one is saying Holmes is the next Harrison. We're just saying he has some similar qualities and skills.

But while we're talking Harrison, let's not forget that before he became a star, he was just another late first round pick who didn't break 900 receiving yards in any of his first three seasons.

 
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I guess I took that and ran with it.

He certainly is a prospect, and whats more, could be the man once Ward leaves (which may be soon).

With some time spent watching film and studying routes, he may turn into a superstar. He has upside.

I just can't see him return anymore. Still having flashbacks of the Cinci game when it happened right in front of my face @ heinz field. We need to look at someone else there.

 
Iron Mike Tomczak said:
I guess I took that and ran with it. He certainly is a prospect, and whats more, could be the man once Ward leaves (which may be soon).With some time spent watching film and studying routes, he may turn into a superstar. He has upside.I just can't see him return anymore. Still having flashbacks of the Cinci game when it happened right in front of my face @ heinz field. We need to look at someone else there.
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Willie Reid will be healthy and ready to go next year.
 
People really need to relax a little in getting so fired u about the Harrison comparison. Harrison was hardly a finished product his rookie year and took about 3 years (or Manning coming to town) to become a great player. Why don't we give him him a little time.

 
Just as a reminder, Harrison had 836 yards his rookie year, 866 yards 2nd year and 776 his third year. He really didn't break out until year 4 when he had 1663 yards and 12 TD's.

I live in Indy and watch the Colts frequently and Marvin has always been an excellent receiver but he didn't go nuts until 1999, his fourth year.

It's hard to be objective, for me, about Holmes since I'm a Buckeye's fan and I saw him play every game in college. He always impressed the hell the out me in Columbus and from what I've seen in Pittsburgh I really feel he is on his way to being as good as Reggie Wayne is in Indy. I don't know if he'll ever be as good as Marvin, a guy like that comes along very rarely. Talent, humility and a hard worker (with all the NFL trappings) is almost unheard of anymore but I certainly think Holmes could be a tremendous receiver if he stays healthy and keeps up his good work ethic and doesn't fall into the abyss of the combination of fame, fortune and all of that like so many do.

 
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I picture Santonio Holmes and I think speed. So my first comparison - since he was returning punts and doing it well this season - was Joey Galloway. Both from OSU, both fast, both can help you with returns.

I own him in my keeper league and I'm damn happy going into the future with him. What concerns me, though, is the final play of the Bengals game.

Without getting in phsyics, I was trying to figure out how a guy who was about 12 feet to Holmes' right at the 30-yard line. The defender caught him at about the 4 or 5, but Holmes fought his way into the end zone. That shouldn't happen if you're as fast as I thought Holmes was.

 
Breakout season next year? No

Breakoutseason 2k8? No

Breakout season 2k9? I dunno the magic 8 ball hasn't got back to me on that one yet but i will say he will put up decent fantasyWR2 #'s this year and the the prior years.

 
Memphis Foundry said:
He really came on toward the end of the year. He had significant problems with fumbling the ball through midseason, particularly on returns. But on the whole, a pretty good rookie season for a WR. I believe he will be the opening day starter at Split End next year, bumping Cedrick Wilson down to WR3.
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I am pretty sure that Holmes' fumbling problem was exclusively on punt & kick returns. I don't remember him fumbling after a reception. I heard one sportscaster saying he thought Holmes' problems on punt returns early in the season was that he was pressing, trying to do too much because he wasn't playing much on offense.I don't know how much I buy that but I do hpe Willie Reid can come back and stay healthy to return punts next year. I think it is almost a foregone conclusion that Holmes will start at split-end and Washington retains his #3 slot position, forcing Cedrick Wilson to #4.
 
Another thing going in Holmes (and Big Ben and Ward and Miller's) favor is that the offense could open up with Cowher gone. A Whisenhunt coached Steelers team would have to be less conversative than the version we've had for the last 15 years, with the exception of the regrettable, but short Tommy Maddox era.

I like the Mark Clayton comparison.

 
weisguy0831 said:
I picture Santonio Holmes and I think speed. So my first comparison - since he was returning punts and doing it well this season - was Joey Galloway. Both from OSU, both fast, both can help you with returns.I own him in my keeper league and I'm damn happy going into the future with him. What concerns me, though, is the final play of the Bengals game. Without getting in phsyics, I was trying to figure out how a guy who was about 12 feet to Holmes' right at the 30-yard line. The defender caught him at about the 4 or 5, but Holmes fought his way into the end zone. That shouldn't happen if you're as fast as I thought Holmes was.
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He scored. That's all that matters. I don't care how he scored. He could have gone in with noone on him or dragged 3 guys with him. It's still a TD.As for what you saw, keep in mind that football is about angles. Speed is fine but if someone is well coached they will leverage angles to negate speed.
 
Reminds me too much of Plaxico. Good receiver, wrong team.

He really sucks as a return guy. Doesn't show the guts (bein' PC here) to run here. Far too many fair catches, out of bounds, out of the end zone rolls, etc. etc.

Doesn't block well on run plays.

Not really fast or have that extra gear. More of a possession receiver overall.

To be honest, I'd like to see the Steelers pick up either a true burner or a physical freak that can block and catch. Or better yet, both!

 
NFLDraftScout.com has him with a 4.35 40 on his Pro Day at OSU. Too early to compare him with Harrison or Santana Moss but he has alot of upside. Interesting statistics from Stats.com

Santonio Holmes targeted 86 times, caught 49 with only 2 drops. (57% catch %) 16.8 yards per reception. 48% of catches resulted in 1st downs.

Hines Ward targeted 126 times, caught 74 with only 3 drops (59% catch %) 13.2 yards per reception. 40% of catches resulted in 1st downs.

Ward saw the majority of coverage but Holmes numbers as the 2-3-4 WR are certainly impressive. He is a keeper for sure.

 
nightshift said:
Not really fast or have that extra gear. More of a possession receiver overall.
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I think you're wrong here. He showed the extra gear on the play that ended the season. He is a speed WR who can do a lot of damage after the catch.
 
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Reminds me too much of Plaxico. Good receiver, wrong team.He really sucks as a return guy. Doesn't show the guts (bein' PC here) to run here. Far too many fair catches, out of bounds, out of the end zone rolls, etc. etc.Doesn't block well on run plays.Not really fast or have that extra gear. More of a possession receiver overall.To be honest, I'd like to see the Steelers pick up either a true burner or a physical freak that can block and catch. Or better yet, both!
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Outside of any off-field incidents, I don't see many similarities between Plax and Holmes. Holmes is faster, runs much better routes, has a better work ethic and overall, a much more polished WR. Holmes had a reputation at OSU (I'm a Buckeye too) as a good run blocker, so I'm not sure what to say about that as I didn't pay attention to his run blocking this year. While his 4.35 40 at his pro day last year disputes your claim he isn't fast, you don't need to be the fastest WR in the game if you are quick and run good routes, both of which Holmes possesses.
 
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Here are all the rookie WR that had 800 or more receiving yards in their rookie seasons. Some turned out great . . . some will prompt "WHO?" as responses. It's probably too soon to tell what Holmes will do when he grows up, but here's the list nonetheless.

1 Bill Groman wr 1960 1473

2 Anquan Boldin wr 2003 1377

3 Randy Moss wr 1998 1313

4 Michael Clayton wr 2004 1193

5 Terry Glenn wr 1996 1132

6 Billy Brooks wr 1986 1131

7 Ernest Givins wr 1986 1062

8 Joey Galloway wr 1995 1039

9 Marques Colston wr 2006 1038

10 Cris Collinsworth wr 1981 1009

11 Bob Hayes wr 1965 1003

12 John Jefferson wr 1978 1001

13 Kevin Johnson wr 1999 986

14 Andre Johnson wr 2003 976

15 Eddie Brown wr 1985 942

16 Jerry Rice wr 1985 927

17 Gary Clark wr 1985 926

18 Eddie Kennison wr 1996 924

19 Paul Warfield wr 1964 920

20 Sammy White wr 1976 906

21 Chris Chambers wr 2001 883

22 Frank Sanders wr 1995 883

23 Randy Vataha wr 1971 872

24 Jack Clancy wr 1967 868

25 Paul Flatley wr 1963 867

26 Darnay Scott wr 1994 866

27 Shawn Collins wr 1989 862

28 Louis Lipps wr 1984 860

29 Keyshawn Johnson wr 1996 844

30 Isaac Curtis wr 1973 843

31 Lee Evans wr 2004 843

32 Willie Gault wr 1983 836

33 Marvin Harrison wr 1996 836

34 Jerry Butler wr 1979 834

35 Derrick Alexander wr 1994 828

36 Santonio Holmes wr 2006 824

37 Chris Sanders wr 1995 823

38 Anthony Carter wr 1985 821

39 Andre Rison wr 1989 820

40 Lawrence Dawsey wr 1991 818

41 James Lofton wr 1978 818

42 Roy Williams wr 2004 817

43 Charley Taylor wr 1964 814

44 Ricky Proehl wr 1990 802

 
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Here are all the rookie WR that had 800 or more receiving yards in their rookie seasons. Some turned out great . . . some will prompt "WHO?" as responses. It's probably too soon to tell what Holmes will do when he grows up, but here's the list nonetheless.2 Anquan Boldin wr 2003 1377 3 Randy Moss wr 1998 13134 Michael Clayton wr 2004 1193 5 Terry Glenn wr 1996 1132 8 Joey Galloway wr 1995 1039 9 Marques Colston wr 2006 1038 13 Kevin Johnson wr 1999 986 14 Andre Johnson wr 2003 976 18 Eddie Kennison wr 1996 924 21 Chris Chambers wr 2001 883 22 Frank Sanders wr 1995 883 26 Darnay Scott wr 1994 866 29 Keyshawn Johnson wr 1996 844 31 Lee Evans wr 2004 843 33 Marvin Harrison wr 1996 836 35 Derrick Alexander wr 1994 828 36 Santonio Holmes wr 2006 824 37 Chris Sanders wr 1995 823 40 Lawrence Dawsey wr 1991 818 42 Roy Williams wr 2004 817
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Trimmed to include players from the past 15 years (1991 on). Adding the additional condition that the player was also a first round pick, you get the following list:Randy MossMichael ClaytonTerry GlennJoey GallowayAndre JohnsonEddie KennisonKeyshawn JohnsonLee EvansMarvin HarrisonDerrick AlexanderSantonio HolmesRoy WilliamsNot exactly bad company.
 
I'll have to admit, he did better this year than what I thought he could do! I'm can't think of who to compare him to though, so I'll explain my opinion by comparing him to a bunch of receivers and I'm sure someone could come up with a comparable player.

Speed--- Santonio's best quality! I never doubted it. He's not the fastest ever, but he can beat most.

Size---- He's small at 5'11 and a little light too!

Separation--- This is the one thing that surprised me the most this year. He normally only got separation in college ONLY due to his speed, but he's learned a couple of skills in the NFL.

Closest comparison so far, Steve Smith, but that's the good stuff.

Ego--- Hopefully this can be drilled out of him, but he has a poor ego. He did a very smart thing mid season by simply shutting up, but the damage was done early. The best comparison is Keyshawn's rookie year. He thinks he is better than he is at this point.

Smarts--- I'll throw route running in here too. This is his biggest weakness, he's not just dumb, he's plumb dumb. He doesn't understand the importance of running a back side route and doesn't care. He doesn't run routes the best even when he's a primary receiver anyway. He'll take a play where he should be a safety valve and turn it into a play were the QB gets killed or throws the int. If the Steelers can turn this one thing around, he'll be a heck of an asset for the team. (Note alot of this part of my opinion has to do with what I saw as a Buckeye fan, but I've seen enough Steelers games this year to know he hasn't improved enough yet.) The best comparison is Kevin Johnson.

Work Ethic--- He doesn't have any, but that seems to be the trend with NFL WR's. He's a party animal off the field. He won't/can't block so all you non-Steelers fans thinking he can replace Ward as a WR should ask a Steeler fan about Ward's blocking ability. The best comparison here I can think of is Randy Moss this year, but Randy gave up trying to be a complete guy. I don't ever think Holmes will ever be a complete guy or will ever try to be one. Chris Carter had a huge influence on Moss, and I have a huge feeling that Holmes will look at Ward like he's speaking another langauge. Best comparison, any WR drafted by Detroit other than Roy Williams or Jerry Porter, take your pick

I would shy away from him big time next year due to the whole sophmore jinx thing, and I think his flaws will hurt his developement, but given how quietly he put up the numbers this year, you could get a bargain. Just buy at your own risk. I see a high ceiling and a low floor.

 
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