Say Goodbye Mangini (1 Viewer)

[Chemical X]

from the ny post

In another bad sign for Eric Mangini, the Jets New York Jets announced at 2:45 this morning that Woody Johnson and Mike Tannenbaum would hold a 10 a.m. press conference this morning.

No word when Mangini would be available to the media. This seems strange and could be a sign that Mangini is out. Why wouldn't the head coach also appear at the season-ending press conference?

The Jets sent this e-mail out in the middle of the night, and Willie Randolph can tell you what those late-night announcements usually indicate.

Usually after games, the Jets public relations staff tells the media what time interviews and press conferences will be on Monday. Last night, the Jets did not announce it, indicating that things were going on behind the scenes. Perhaps Johnson and his inner circle decided Mangini's fate late last night.

We'll check in later when we know more.

 

[Osaurus]

Couldn't be about Favre huh? Worlds are colliding!

 

[Workhorse]

So much for the "Mangenius" tag, I guess.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him pop up as a college coach somewhere.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Couldn't be about Favre huh? Worlds are colliding!

They invested in Favre...maybe they asked Favre if he would come back if they got another coach and he said that it was possible. I don't know if their relationship was good/bad, but it is possible.

 

[bostonfred]

[CurlyBill] Well... bye. [/CurlyBill]

 

[-OZ-]

So much for the "Mangenius" tag, I guess.

The true Mangenius is in Lawrence, KS.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him pop up as a college coach somewhere.

Agreed, although he'll likely get another chance in the NFL.

 

[MAC_32]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

 

[scott72]

Mort just reported, Mangini is out..

 

[Workhorse]

So much for the "Mangenius" tag, I guess.

The true Mangenius is in Lawrence, KS.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him pop up as a college coach somewhere.

Agreed, although he'll likely get another chance in the NFL.

Not sure about that. There was a lot of grumbling around the league about how Mangini conducted himself both in the Spygate situation and earlier when he tried to convince Pats personnel to jump ship while still employed by the team, as well as stealing a laptop with confidential files on his way out the door. I remember a NY Times piece a while back that said that some NFL front office folks would consider Mangini "toxic" if he were up for another NFL coaching gig.Time will tell, I guess.

 

[RUSF18]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

 

[MAC_32]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Guy had two out of three winning seasons on a team that lacked any semblance of talent when he got there, he's earned at least another year.

 

[David Yudkin]

Rod Marinelli is available . . .

 

[RUSF18]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Guy had two out of three winning seasons on a team that lacked any semblance of talent when he got there, he's earned at least another year.

I'm not a Jet fan, but being in NYC I obviously hear a lot about the team. Seems like there are plenty of people both inside and outside the organization who feel like he has already reached his peak as a coach.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Rod Marinelli is available . . .

Dave Wannstadt sits patiently by the phone . . .

 

[Reaper]

I'm anxious now...

This could be GREAT news - as in Woody has someone lined up like Cowher

OR

HORRIBLE news in that Woody is just caving in to the backpage Headlines and has no one in mind, is starting a HC search from scratch and will wind up with another rookie HC learning on the job. Basically another Mangini.

That said - IMO, we have gone froma Bumbling Idiot In Herm who related to players, to a Boorish Bookworm in Mangini who doesn't seem to relate to anyone...

The next coach, if Not Cowher, better breathe and Spit Fire like Cowher and kick some ###....

I think this team has pieces, it needs a FIRE.

 

[-OZ-]

So much for the "Mangenius" tag, I guess.

The true Mangenius is in Lawrence, KS.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him pop up as a college coach somewhere.

Agreed, although he'll likely get another chance in the NFL.

Not sure about that. There was a lot of grumbling around the league about how Mangini conducted himself both in the Spygate situation and earlier when he tried to convince Pats personnel to jump ship while still employed by the team, as well as stealing a laptop with confidential files on his way out the door. I remember a NY Times piece a while back that said that some NFL front office folks would consider Mangini "toxic" if he were up for another NFL coaching gig.Time will tell, I guess.

He's done pretty well, on the field, and considering what some other coaches are able to get away with and get another chance, I think he will. Although it might take some time. His best plan would be to head to college and work his way back up. Some good mid-level or poor BCS conference school will give him a nice gig next year I think. Iowa State?

 

[TLEF316]

Awful play calling. Awful game planning (other than Tennesee) and a piss-poor attitude (acts like Belicek, but without the success).

 

[Reaper]

So much for the "Mangenius" tag, I guess.

The true Mangenius is in Lawrence, KS.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him pop up as a college coach somewhere.

Agreed, although he'll likely get another chance in the NFL.

Not sure about that. There was a lot of grumbling around the league about how Mangini conducted himself both in the Spygate situation and earlier when he tried to convince Pats personnel to jump ship while still employed by the team, as well as stealing a laptop with confidential files on his way out the door. I remember a NY Times piece a while back that said that some NFL front office folks would consider Mangini "toxic" if he were up for another NFL coaching gig.Time will tell, I guess.

He's done pretty well, on the field, and considering what some other coaches are able to get away with and get another chance, I think he will. Although it might take some time. His best plan would be to head to college and work his way back up. Some good mid-level or poor BCS conference school will give him a nice gig next year I think. Iowa State?

I know Pats fans love the SpyGate angle but, honestly, there aren't a lot of HC jobs in this league and there's a lot of people with better credentials than Mangini around and newer "Hot" coordinators to give a shot....Guys like Rod Marinelli and Romeo Crennel were considered top top coordinators in this league, they should get a shot again before EM...And that list goes on. It was shocking that Herm got another HC gig but, he had buddies in the right spot - Eric does not...EM IMO won't bve a HC in this league again, but, it has little to nothing to do with Spygate.

 

[Duke1948]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Guy had two out of three winning seasons on a team that lacked any semblance of talent when he got there, he's earned at least another year.

sometimes it's better to stay with what you got......who out there is better?.....think S.D.Mangini didn't throw the 7 ints in the last 3 games.

 

[scott72]

I'm anxious now...This could be GREAT news - as in Woody has someone lined up like Cowher ORHORRIBLE news in that Woody is just caving in to the backpage Headlines and has no one in mind, is starting a HC search from scratch and will wind up with another rookie HC learning on the job. Basically another Mangini.That said - IMO, we have gone froma Bumbling Idiot In Herm who related to players, to a Boorish Bookworm in Mangini who doesn't seem to relate to anyone...The next coach, if Not Cowher, better breathe and Spit Fire like Cowher and kick some ###....I think this team has pieces, it needs a FIRE.

Every team with a head coach vacancy are going to want Cowher. The Browns are already making him their top target. It's going to be interesting. He can go to the best situation, that's assuming he even wants to coach again. I don't see why he'd want to go to New York when they're going to be without a QB. I don't see Favre coming back to yet another coach. He's done.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Fascinating that in a season where Mangini messed up nearly every 4th down decision the Jets had, you picked one of the few he got correct.

 

[Reaper]

I'm anxious now...This could be GREAT news - as in Woody has someone lined up like Cowher ORHORRIBLE news in that Woody is just caving in to the backpage Headlines and has no one in mind, is starting a HC search from scratch and will wind up with another rookie HC learning on the job. Basically another Mangini.That said - IMO, we have gone froma Bumbling Idiot In Herm who related to players, to a Boorish Bookworm in Mangini who doesn't seem to relate to anyone...The next coach, if Not Cowher, better breathe and Spit Fire like Cowher and kick some ###....I think this team has pieces, it needs a FIRE.

Every team with a head coach vacancy are going to want Cowher. The Browns are already making him their top target. It's going to be interesting. He can go to the best situation, that's assuming he even wants to coach again. I don't see why he'd want to go to New York when they're going to be without a QB. I don't see Favre coming back to yet another coach. He's done.

A few things though...1) I'm shocked they made this move and I'd think they had someone in line ASAP2) Woody has big money and has a new stadium opening - Favre was a splash - Cowher would be a much bigger one... Remember - Favre was supposed to "sell PSL's".. Now what???

 

[Chase Stuart]

I'm anxious now...This could be GREAT news - as in Woody has someone lined up like Cowher ORHORRIBLE news in that Woody is just caving in to the backpage Headlines and has no one in mind, is starting a HC search from scratch and will wind up with another rookie HC learning on the job. Basically another Mangini.That said - IMO, we have gone froma Bumbling Idiot In Herm who related to players, to a Boorish Bookworm in Mangini who doesn't seem to relate to anyone...The next coach, if Not Cowher, better breathe and Spit Fire like Cowher and kick some ###....I think this team has pieces, it needs a FIRE.

This team needs intelligence, not fire. Someone who will kick some ### and is an idiot is going to just set the team back.Mangini may have played the part of a Boorish Bookworm but that doesn't mean he was actually smart.

 

[MallRat]

Firing him just one week too late.

About the only thing I hate more than the Jets right now is Favre. I should've known better than to rest any of my hopes on this choke artist. The dude hasn't been clutch since the Clinton administration.

Good god almighty, do I hate the Jets now. White-hot, seething, boiling magma kinda hatred.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

maybe this means the era of the shotgun snap on 3rd and 4th and 1 with a Pro Bowl center, guard and running back is over

We Jets fans can only dream

 

[scott72]

I'm anxious now...This could be GREAT news - as in Woody has someone lined up like Cowher ORHORRIBLE news in that Woody is just caving in to the backpage Headlines and has no one in mind, is starting a HC search from scratch and will wind up with another rookie HC learning on the job. Basically another Mangini.That said - IMO, we have gone froma Bumbling Idiot In Herm who related to players, to a Boorish Bookworm in Mangini who doesn't seem to relate to anyone...The next coach, if Not Cowher, better breathe and Spit Fire like Cowher and kick some ###....I think this team has pieces, it needs a FIRE.

Every team with a head coach vacancy are going to want Cowher. The Browns are already making him their top target. It's going to be interesting. He can go to the best situation, that's assuming he even wants to coach again. I don't see why he'd want to go to New York when they're going to be without a QB. I don't see Favre coming back to yet another coach. He's done.

A few things though...1) I'm shocked they made this move and I'd think they had someone in line ASAP2) Woody has big money and has a new stadium opening - Favre was a splash - Cowher would be a much bigger one... Remember - Favre was supposed to "sell PSL's".. Now what???

Sure Cowher would be a nice splash, but that doesn't mean Favre is going to commit to another year. You saw how he looked. He looked defeated, just like he did last year for us. He's got shoulder problems, and now a new coach on the horizon. I don't see him sticking around to potentially learn yet another new system. I'm not sure where the Jets turn for a QB. Cassell would be a great addition, but I'm sure the Pats are going to lock him up with the latest news on Brady. Clearly in hindsight, letting Pennington go was a big mistake.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Firing him just one week too late. About the only thing I hate more than the Jets right now is Favre. I should've known better than to rest any of my hopes on this choke artist. The dude hasn't been clutch since the Clinton administration.Good god almighty, do I hate the Jets now. White-hot, seething, boiling magma kinda hatred.

Hey, at least the Jets lost this weekend. And now we can at least be optimistic about who the new coach will be.

 

[Reaper]

I'm anxious now...

This could be GREAT news - as in Woody has someone lined up like Cowher

OR

HORRIBLE news in that Woody is just caving in to the backpage Headlines and has no one in mind, is starting a HC search from scratch and will wind up with another rookie HC learning on the job. Basically another Mangini.

That said - IMO, we have gone froma Bumbling Idiot In Herm who related to players, to a Boorish Bookworm in Mangini who doesn't seem to relate to anyone...

The next coach, if Not Cowher, better breathe and Spit Fire like Cowher and kick some ###....

I think this team has pieces, it needs a FIRE.

Every team with a head coach vacancy are going to want Cowher. The Browns are already making him their top target. It's going to be interesting. He can go to the best situation, that's assuming he even wants to coach again. I don't see why he'd want to go to New York when they're going to be without a QB. I don't see Favre coming back to yet another coach. He's done.

A few things though...1) I'm shocked they made this move and I'd think they had someone in line ASAP

2) Woody has big money and has a new stadium opening - Favre was a splash - Cowher would be a much bigger one... Remember - Favre was supposed to "sell PSL's".. Now what???

Sure Cowher would be a nice splash, but that doesn't mean Favre is going to commit to another year. You saw how he looked. He looked defeated, just like he did last year for us. He's got shoulder problems, and now a new coach on the horizon. I don't see him sticking around to potentially learn yet another new system. I'm not sure where the Jets turn for a QB. Cassell would be a great addition, but I'm sure the Pats are going to lock him up with the latest news on Brady. Clearly in hindsight, letting Pennington go was a big mistake.

I still think Pennington has a limited upside and a real good playoff type defense shuts him down...The Ravens will be a good test - then the Steelers.

I think the Jets have the makings of good lines on both sides of the ball and decent pieces everywhere other than QB.... I think Ratlff looked real good in preseason - Clemens maybe has come along and maybe both learned a thing or 2 from Favre...

With most everything else "pretty good" - add maybe a draft pick or FA at QB and a QB battle and I can see a Cowher doing well, competing next year and building from that.

 

[MallRat]

maybe this means the era of the shotgun snap on 3rd and 4th and 1 with a Pro Bowl center, guard and running back is overWe Jets fans can only dream

 

[RUSF18]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Fascinating that in a season where Mangini messed up nearly every 4th down decision the Jets had, you picked one of the few he got correct.

Insane. Please explain how that made any sense.edit: And I didn't "pick" that...I could care less what they do with Mangini, but as I said, that call got him fired whether you agree with it or not.

 

[Jason Wood]

Listening to them, sounds like they really feel they have a bird in hand on this one. Hard to believe they don't have one or two coaches in mind specifically already.

 

[=Smackdown=]

I'm anxious now...

This could be GREAT news - as in Woody has someone lined up like Cowher

OR

HORRIBLE news in that Woody is just caving in to the backpage Headlines and has no one in mind, is starting a HC search from scratch and will wind up with another rookie HC learning on the job. Basically another Mangini.

That said - IMO, we have gone froma Bumbling Idiot In Herm who related to players, to a Boorish Bookworm in Mangini who doesn't seem to relate to anyone...

The next coach, if Not Cowher, better breathe and Spit Fire like Cowher and kick some ###....

I think this team has pieces, it needs a FIRE.

Every team with a head coach vacancy are going to want Cowher. The Browns are already making him their top target. It's going to be interesting. He can go to the best situation, that's assuming he even wants to coach again. I don't see why he'd want to go to New York when they're going to be without a QB. I don't see Favre coming back to yet another coach. He's done.

A few things though...1) I'm shocked they made this move and I'd think they had someone in line ASAP

2) Woody has big money and has a new stadium opening - Favre was a splash - Cowher would be a much bigger one... Remember - Favre was supposed to "sell PSL's".. Now what???

Sure Cowher would be a nice splash, but that doesn't mean Favre is going to commit to another year. You saw how he looked. He looked defeated, just like he did last year for us. He's got shoulder problems, and now a new coach on the horizon. I don't see him sticking around to potentially learn yet another new system. I'm not sure where the Jets turn for a QB. Cassell would be a great addition, but I'm sure the Pats are going to lock him up with the latest news on Brady. Clearly in hindsight, letting Pennington go was a big mistake.

I agree.To me that whole Jet offense was built for Pennington. Power running game with play action dink and dunk you to death Penny behind center.

 

[JetMaxx]

Given the history here, wouldn't it be great if the Pats OC and Cassel end up in NY?

 

[MallRat]

Firing him just one week too late. About the only thing I hate more than the Jets right now is Favre. I should've known better than to rest any of my hopes on this choke artist. The dude hasn't been clutch since the Clinton administration.Good god almighty, do I hate the Jets now. White-hot, seething, boiling magma kinda hatred.

Hey, at least the Jets lost this weekend. And now we can at least be optimistic about who the new coach will be.

What do you mean "we," kemosabe? I was counting on your guys to catapult my Patriots into the postseason. In all honesty, the Patriots season ended when the Pats' defense let the Jets convert a 3rd and 15 deep in NYJ territory in OT at Foxboro. At that moment, I knew the game was over... but I had no idea that this play would seal their fate for the entire season.

 

[David Yudkin]

Jets could raid the Patriots cupboard again to keep that frosty relationship icy.

 

[Jason Wood]

Jets could raid the Patriots cupboard again to keep that frosty relationship icy.

You mean McDaniels? Wouldn't that be a really poor idea. To fire a Belichick "progeny" who was a risky bet b/c of his age and inexperience, only to hire yet another of the same ilk?

 

[fatness]

Couldn't be about Favre huh? Worlds are colliding!

They invested in Favre...maybe they asked Favre if he would come back if they got another coach and he said that it was possible. I don't know if their relationship was good/bad, but it is possible.

You may be right.

The fine folks at FOX have asked me to throw myself into Favre mode once again and break down what the evidence points to. Favre earlier in the week indicated he would address his future possibly next week, but admitted his shoulder will play a role in his decision-making process. However, his shoulder is just one of the reasons most of those polled on the Jets believe this really is finally it for Favre.

The other reason? Happiness, or lack thereof. According to several people close to Favre, the legendary quarterback has not enjoyed many aspects of playing for the tough Eric Mangini. According to the sources, there are several areas that have not sat well with Favre including team meetings, quizzes and getting called on the carpet for his decision-making on the field.

Let's explain. Favre, who long had a great relationship with head coaches in Green Bay, was rarely called on the carpet with the Packers, especially in front of the team. With the Jets, however, the sources say that Favre has been called to what they dub "the principal's office" and grilled about making bad throws that turned into interceptions. Those same sources say this is not just done in private. Mangini will also grill Favre about his throws in front of the team, just like everybody else.

For a guy who for all intents and purposes earned the right to be treated like a king in Green Bay and treated with a certain respect not bestowed upon others, this approach must be quite the awkward awakening. In Green Bay, Favre had his own locker room area to dress, an office area among other perks. He certainly wasn't called out.

In addition, there have been grumblings about how often the Jets have to meet. Many players privately take issue with how many meetings they have under Mangini.

But the kicker that wears on Favre and others are little impromptu quizzes that Mangini often hits his players with during the week. Mangini will call guys out and ask them personnel questions about their opponents. Usually that's OK, but the difference here is that Mangini will ask offensive players who opposing offensive players are and if guys, including Favre, do not have the correct answer those players also get called out in front of the team.

 

[Boston]

The funny thing is BB warned Mangini that this wasn't the right job/organization for him.

 

[Workhorse]

Jets could raid the Patriots cupboard again to keep that frosty relationship icy.

You mean McDaniels? Wouldn't that be a really poor idea. To fire a Belichick "progeny" who was a risky bet b/c of his age and inexperience, only to hire yet another of the same ilk?

I'd be EXTREMELY wary of hiring yet another Belichick "hot coordinator" as a head coach.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Schefter could be wrong, but he is continually saying that Cowher has made it clear that he isn't going to coach in 2009. Of course he's going to be the hot name just because he's not coaching, but Adam Schefter is just about positive that Cowher is content in the studio right now.

 

[MallRat]

Jets could raid the Patriots cupboard again to keep that frosty relationship icy.

You mean McDaniels? Wouldn't that be a really poor idea. To fire a Belichick "progeny" who was a risky bet b/c of his age and inexperience, only to hire yet another of the same ilk?

I'd be EXTREMELY wary of hiring yet another Belichick "hot coordinator" as a head coach.

Heh heh... it would, however, open the door to Belichick rehiring Charlie Weis. And now that Crennel is looking for work, Bill could get the band back together.

 

[harryhood]

Esiason, who works on the pre game show with BC said "You can see watching these games with Bill that he hasn't lost the intensity, but I just dont think he is ready to go back from what we have talked about."

His co-host also made a great point that money talks and everyone has a price so ya never know.

Unfortunately, Spags name has been coming up quite frequently

 

[Workhorse]

Jets could raid the Patriots cupboard again to keep that frosty relationship icy.

You mean McDaniels? Wouldn't that be a really poor idea. To fire a Belichick "progeny" who was a risky bet b/c of his age and inexperience, only to hire yet another of the same ilk?

I'd be EXTREMELY wary of hiring yet another Belichick "hot coordinator" as a head coach.

Heh heh... it would, however, open the door to Belichick rehiring Charlie Weis. And now that Crennel is looking for work, Bill could get the band back together.

I wouldn't be shocked in the least to see RAC back on the Patriots staff in 2009.

 

[David Yudkin]

Jets could raid the Patriots cupboard again to keep that frosty relationship icy.

You mean McDaniels? Wouldn't that be a really poor idea. To fire a Belichick "progeny" who was a risky bet b/c of his age and inexperience, only to hire yet another of the same ilk?

I'd be EXTREMELY wary of hiring yet another Belichick "hot coordinator" as a head coach.

I have a question for the Jet fans. After a 4-12 season and the exhile of Herman Edwards, would you have been excited to get a new head coach that would have winning seasons in 2 of the next 3 years?I'm guessing yes, but yet here we are seemingly bashing Mangini. And now by extension that would make McDaniels a poor option? I'm guessing there are a ton of teams that would kill to have winning years in 2 of 3 seasons. The Jets were one of 13 teams that had winning records in 2 of the past 3 years along with BAL, CHI, NEP, IND, DAL, NYG, PHI, PIT, SD, SEA, TB, and TEN.I do agree that McDaniels probably isn't ready to be a head coach, but I think there are probably worse options out there.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Check out wfan.com as Joe Benningo is just hitting the air! Should be priceless!

 

[Kiddnets]

Woody is in full huckster mode - looking to sell PSLs - nothing more nothing less. No way he can ask a fan to fork over thousands of dollars and bring back the same team. Mangini was the sacraficial lamb -

No way Woody does not make a BIG splash when he is trying to sell these PSL's = I dont think they go hot prospect coach (maybe Spags) - but big name. Maybe Cower - rumblings of Parcells if Miami is sold....but it will be a big name. Its all about marketing now.

 

[Reaper]

Jets could raid the Patriots cupboard again to keep that frosty relationship icy.

You mean McDaniels? Wouldn't that be a really poor idea. To fire a Belichick "progeny" who was a risky bet b/c of his age and inexperience, only to hire yet another of the same ilk?

I'd be EXTREMELY wary of hiring yet another Belichick "hot coordinator" as a head coach.

I have a question for the Jet fans. After a 4-12 season and the exhile of Herman Edwards, would you have been excited to get a new head coach that would have winning seasons in 2 of the next 3 years?I'm guessing yes, but yet here we are seemingly bashing Mangini. And now by extension that would make McDaniels a poor option? I'm guessing there are a ton of teams that would kill to have winning years in 2 of 3 seasons. The Jets were one of 13 teams that had winning records in 2 of the past 3 years along with BAL, CHI, NEP, IND, DAL, NYG, PHI, PIT, SD, SEA, TB, and TEN.

I do agree that McDaniels probably isn't ready to be a head coach, but I think there are probably worse options out there.

I agree - And I never saw this coming - I thought with a HC with 2 of 3 winning seasons and honestly, the past 3 years had a TON of change over, that you change the coordinators.I thought a new DC would come in and they would continue to roll with what I think is a decent cast of players other than the QB spot.

Sounds like Spagnoli with the Giants is going to be a top choice.

They're talking on the radio now about the GM and Owner saying they want Favre back - Maybe that's just talk but - What about Holmgren...LOL

 

[=Smackdown=]

Check out wfan.com as Joe Benningo is just hitting the air! Should be priceless!

I always look forward to this.

 

[gman74]

Welcome to Detroit Fatgini

 

[Joe Bryant]

Didn't know Mangini was the QB with the bum shoulder.

Last week's non-punt on 4th down from their own 20 (?) with 3 timeouts plus the 2:00 warning sealed his fate.

Guy had two out of three winning seasons on a team that lacked any semblance of talent when he got there, he's earned at least another year.

Absolutely. I'm not a Mangini fan but this is a ridiculous firing.J