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Schilling (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Wrigley
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Michael Brown
Footballguy
It's my second-most hated player bashing my most-hated player. And both of them come off looking like ### faces.
Win-win for me.
Win-win for me.
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Insoxicated
Until Manny signs with NY next year
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
I don't like Schilling but I do know that he did say stuff to Manny from time to time.Francona also told Schilling to back off a few times, according to Curt.I don't like Schilling being the mouthpiece but as a team I think they kind of enabled Manny's behavior. Its too bad the other players weren't more vocal in keeping Manny's head straight, he might still be on the team.Manny's last month in Boston, he cried about his knee over and over. Doesn't seem to be a problem now, I haven't heard him needing games off in LA. Manny basically is a POS.Wrigley said:
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the moops
Footballguy
Manny's last month in Boston, he hit .347, .473, .587. He played in 21 out of the 24 games.There are definitely some reasons to not like Manny. Trying to argue that he was dogging it his last month in Boston is not one of them.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
You have a really short memory and if the Red Sox didn't think he was dogging it and was going to continue to dog it, he would still be on the team.Manny's last month in Boston, he hit .347, .473, .587. He played in 21 out of the 24 games.There are definitely some reasons to not like Manny. Trying to argue that he was dogging it his last month in Boston is not one of them.
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Michael Brown
Footballguy
No chance my friend. I hated Sheffield for years, and when he became a Yankee that stance didn't waver. Was I happy when he hit a HR? Sure, because it helped the team. But I never once cheered for HIM specifically, and I couldn't wait for him to be gone.And here's my disdain chart:Until Manny signs with NY next year
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the moops
Footballguy
If being the best hitter in the league for the month is dogging it...I'll take it.Jefferson the Caregiver said:You have a really short memory and if the Red Sox didn't think he was dogging it and was going to continue to dog it, he would still be on the team.the moops said:Jefferson the Caregiver said:Manny's last month in Boston, he hit .347, .473, .587. He played in 21 out of the 24 games.There are definitely some reasons to not like Manny. Trying to argue that he was dogging it his last month in Boston is not one of them.
wilked
Footballguy
moops is clueless
Manny basically said he was done in Boston. This after Boston made him one of the wealthiest men in sports, and also Boston had him under a contract that Manny signed.
Manny gave indications that he might quit on the team... Indicating that the contract he signed should not be upheld (team option years). What else is needed to indicate that things are not goin well?
Manny basically said he was done in Boston. This after Boston made him one of the wealthiest men in sports, and also Boston had him under a contract that Manny signed.
Manny gave indications that he might quit on the team... Indicating that the contract he signed should not be upheld (team option years). What else is needed to indicate that things are not goin well?
the moops
Footballguy
There was certainly tension. Just like every year of the Manny contract.I have no doubt that the Sox felt they had to get rid of him. And they were probably right.But he was in no way dogging it.I dont know how anyone can look at his numbers and argue otherwise.
wilked
Footballguy
OK, he was not dogging it...but he said in not uncertain terms that he might.
How are you supposed to manage a team when one of your players, especially one of your best, indicates he is not in it to win it (excuse the cliche)
Do you roll the dice? Do you believe that he was tryng against Mariano in that key AB (I do)? It is certainly not black and white. I like to think I am a fairly progressive fan, but stick me clearly in the Bay category in terms of 'who do you want in the playoffs'
How are you supposed to manage a team when one of your players, especially one of your best, indicates he is not in it to win it (excuse the cliche)
Do you roll the dice? Do you believe that he was tryng against Mariano in that key AB (I do)? It is certainly not black and white. I like to think I am a fairly progressive fan, but stick me clearly in the Bay category in terms of 'who do you want in the playoffs'
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Gotta agree here. Not to mention, Manny probably cared too much about his hitting to truly "dog it" in the batter's box. But nobody is ever going to convince me that he was trying his best on that play where he came in and half-slid to catch it, then tumbled end over end, then tried to go back and get the ball but he slipped ON the ball, then had to reach under himself to get it.It would've been comical if it wasn't so intentional and stupid.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
He sat out two games with a phantom knee injury. That's not dogging it?
the moops
Footballguy
And you have proof that it was a phantom injury how?
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Do you also believe Barry Bonds never took steroids?
Wrigley
Footballguy
Bit of a stretch here.
Hammered Finz
Footballguy
Putting a microphone near Shilling is like putting an ice cream cone near a fat girl.. they can't help it...
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
The Doctors couldn't find anything wrong, the MRI came back negative and since he's been traded to the Dodgers, no knee problem.
crewmember
Footballguy
You must have been out of the country or something moops. They would show replays of Manny not running out balls to first and jogging to 2nd. The Red Sox had to threaten to fine Manny if he didn't play. How often does that happen in baseball? I don't think anyone in baseball would agree with you he wasn't dogging it.Anyway, Good for Schil. I may be in the minority, but I'm a fan. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I don't really find his that conterversial(manny is an idiot, bonds does roids). Plus I find it entertaining. One of clutchest pitchers ever, deserves HOF, for his playoff career(although many disagree)
And when he went to have an MRI done he couldn't even remember which knee was bothering him - so they did the MRI on both.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
How's that?I think it's just as obvious that Manny was dogging it as it is that Bonds took steroids, even though we don't have physical evidence of either.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
True, Manny has never been known as a hustler. But he'd pick and choose spots now and then. When he walked to first on that ground ball during the Lackey no-hitter, that could be seen as typical Manny. But the bizarre AB against Rivera when he may or may not have intentionally struck out raised eyebrows. And the play I keep referring to, the one in LF where he intentionally fumbled over himself after a dive, was ridiculous. I don't know how anyone can look at that play and objectively say that he was trying to make a play there. He looked like he was trying to create a blooper, that's how bad it was.Nobody's saying he was a great defensive player, but I believe in that instance that it was obvious he was TRYING to make a bad play. That crosses the line from "dogging it" to "trying to lose".
the moops
Footballguy
No, it was not obvious. His laughing about may be obnoxious to some, but there is no way he was trying to create a blooper, as you say.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
I don't know if you've seen the play, but I'll assume you have.So I'll reiterate here what I said at the time. This is a guy that has such amazing eye-hand coordination that he can hit .330 with 40 HR and 120 RBI for a dozen years. A guy that is widely regarded as one of the two greatest right-hand hitters of his generation along with Pujols. A former World Series MVP, batting champ, etc, etc.But he doesn't have the athletic ability to harness a baseball that is SITTING ON THE GROUND AND NOT MOVING. Not only that, but he crawls after it to go retrieve it. Then, once he gets a foot or two away...WHOOPS! He slips, despite already being on the ground. And wonder of all wonders, he falls ON the baseball. Then, rather than getting off of it to pick it up, he reaches under his backside to "look" for it WHILE STILL SITTING ON IT. Right, cause that's the easiest way to retrieve it...when your 220 pound ### is still on top of it.And then he laughs at all of it. I'm sure his teammates also found it hysterical. And management. That's why he's still playing for Boston. Oh wait...How you can say there's "no way" he was doing any of that on purpose is mind-boggling. A four year old could've picked up that ball and gotten it back in quicker.the moops said:
