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School shooting plot thwarted (1 Viewer)

Rayderr

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Heavy Metal and Stephen King to blame.

Police: Minnesota teen planned school massacreBy Dana Ford and Ben Brumfield, CNN
updated 11:10 AM EDT, Fri May 2, 2014


(CNN) -- A teenage boy had a plan.

According to authorities in Waseca, Minnesota, John David LaDue, 17, was going to kill his family, start a diversionary fire, set off bombs at an area school, kill the resource officer there and then shoot students.

CNN does not usually publish the names of minors charged with crimes but is naming him in this case because his name has been widely reported in his community.

Frighteningly, police say, LaDue had the resources to carry out such an attack.

But because of watchful eyes, he is now behind bars.

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Cop details teen's massacre plans
"This case is a classic example of citizens doing the right thing and calling the police when things seem out of place. By doing the right thing, unimaginable tragedy has been prevented," the Waseca Police Department said in a Thursday statement.

Police were tipped off to the case two days earlier. Chelsie Shellhas called them about someone acting suspiciously at a storage facility.

"He shut the door, and I thought it looked funny," she told CNN affiliate WCCO. "Because, normally, we see people come here, and it doesn't take them 10 minutes to open a storage shed, so that's why I called it in."

When officers arrived, they saw what looked like bomb-making materials in a locker: a pressure cooker, pyrotechnic chemicals, steel ball bearings and gunpowder.

LaDue went with officers to the police station for an interview.

There, police say, he told authorities of his plan to kill his mother, father and sister and start a fire in rural Waseca to distract first responders. Then, they say, he said he wanted to go to Waseca Junior and Senior High School, where he planned to set off various bombs during lunch, kill the school resource officer, set fires and then open fire on students.

A journal recovered from his home detailed his plan and preparations, said police, who believe he meant to carry out the attack in the next week or two.

Liked guns, heavy metal

If his Facebook page is any indicator, LaDue is partial to the dark side, and he "likes" assault rifles: the AK-101, Heckler & Koch SL8 and Steyr TMP.

In a photo, he can be seen picking an electric guitar with a skull on its shoulder strap; his preferred bands -- more than 190 of them in total -- are predominantly heavy metal.

His taste in movies is dominated by blood, gore, combat and fisticuffs. His favorite authors are Stephen King and the master of literary darkness, Edgar Allen Poe.

He also seems to like to hunt. His avatar is a picture of himself in hunter's orange, posing with a slain deer with a rifle draped over it.

"I am shocked at all the news in one day," said Ryan Lano, who taught the teen guitar lessons for four years.

The boy and his sister would come for lessons together. They stopped coming four months ago.

"He would almost always come in with his sister, who played the drums. They played music together," he said. "They were very close."

'Dealing with a lot of grief'

The teen idolized and studied the shooters responsible for the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado, according to a statement of probable cause. He allegedly told police that he wanted to carry out his attack on April 20, the anniversary of the massacre, but that April 20 this year was Easter and school was not in session.

The teenager has been charged with four counts of attempted murder in the first degree, two counts of attempted criminal damage to property in the first degree and six counts of possession of an explosive or incendiary device, according to police.

It was not immediately clear Thursday whether he had retained an attorney.

His mother spoke briefly to CNN by phone.

"I'd rather not (provide a statement) at this time. Our family is dealing with a lot of grief. I appreciate your concern," she said before hanging up the phone.
 
I was surprised there wasn't a thread on this.

I'd love to buy the woman who called the cops a beer.

 
I was surprised there wasn't a thread on this.

I'd love to buy the woman who called the cops a beer.
:goodposting: scary to think what would have happened had she not called the cops on just seeing something strange..

 
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Nice job by the woman reporting something strange. I think she could probably get quite a few drinks in that town.

 
I was surprised there wasn't a thread on this.

I'd love to buy the woman who called the cops a beer.
:goodposting: scary to think what would have happened had she not called the cops on just seeing something strange..
And major kudos to the police for doing something about it as there have been plenty of instances where the police get notified of something (usually far worse than taking 10 minutes to get into a storage locker) and they don't bother to do anything.

 
POS should be sent away for life... 17 is def old enough to know how awful this is.

Honestly, I wouldn't be opposed to torture in this situation.

 
Heavy Metal and Stephen King to blame.

The teenager has been charged with four counts of attempted murder in the first degree, two counts of attempted criminal damage to property in the first degree and six counts of possession of an explosive or incendiary device, according to police.
How's that going to work, legally? It's just going to come straight off his statements to police?

The possession counts I can see ... the attempted felonies though? Of course, it's a slam dunk that this kid gets commited to a psych ward for some time, so the argument is purely academic.

 
POS should be sent away for life... 17 is def old enough to know how awful this is.

Honestly, I wouldn't be opposed to torture in this situation.
You don't beleive there's any chance at all that this guy's psyche can come out of the other side of the tunnnel? That once he got his mind to where he could contemplate and plan these actions, he ruined for life?

 
POS should be sent away for life... 17 is def old enough to know how awful this is.

Honestly, I wouldn't be opposed to torture in this situation.
You don't beleive there's any chance at all that this guy's psyche can come out of the other side of the tunnnel? That once he got his mind to where he could contemplate and plan these actions, he ruined for life?
its very possible he's a sociopath

 
POS should be sent away for life... 17 is def old enough to know how awful this is.

Honestly, I wouldn't be opposed to torture in this situation.
You don't beleive there's any chance at all that this guy's psyche can come out of the other side of the tunnnel? That once he got his mind to where he could contemplate and plan these actions, he ruined for life?
Even if it were scientifically possible, it's not possible sociologically. How comfortable would you be if this guy gets "cured" and then moves in right next door to you?

 
POS should be sent away for life... 17 is def old enough to know how awful this is.

Honestly, I wouldn't be opposed to torture in this situation.
You don't beleive there's any chance at all that this guy's psyche can come out of the other side of the tunnnel? That once he got his mind to where he could contemplate and plan these actions, he ruined for life?
its very possible he's a sociopath
Once your capable of plotting something so heinous, it is within your DNA... He was way beyond thinking about it, he was in the process of getting ready to actually do this. With all the rehabilitation in the world, he shouldn't be a participating member of society.

 
POS should be sent away for life... 17 is def old enough to know how awful this is.

Honestly, I wouldn't be opposed to torture in this situation.
You don't beleive there's any chance at all that this guy's psyche can come out of the other side of the tunnnel? That once he got his mind to where he could contemplate and plan these actions, he ruined for life?
its very possible he's a sociopath
Once your capable of plotting something so heinous, it is within your DNA... He was way beyond thinking about it, he was in the process of getting ready to actually do this. With all the rehabilitation in the world, he shouldn't be a participating member of society.
Agreed. He planned this for 10 months! And not just thinking about it. Writing down plans, schematics, etc. Testing and perfecting bomb formulas. Planning diversions. Planning how to quietly murder his family so that he wouldn't get caught too early.

All while acting like a completely normal kid. That's a sociopath.

 
Even if it were scientifically possible, it's not possible sociologically. How comfortable would you be if this guy gets "cured" and then moves in right next door to you?
Granted.

The psychological screening will hopefully be able to reveal whether or not he was an imitative attention whore, as opposed to a true sociopath-for-life or someone having another disorder altogether.

 
Agreed. He planned this for 10 months! And not just thinking about it. Writing down plans, schematics, etc. Testing and perfecting bomb formulas. Planning diversions. Planning how to quietly murder his family so that he wouldn't get caught too early.All while acting like a completely normal kid. That's a sociopath.
The more info that comes in, the more it looks like he never sees the otuside of a ward ever again.

My initial point in this thread was more pedantic than anything -- absolutely don't want a danger to society to be walking free on a technicality. I was just wondering if his actions to date will be found in court to be "attempted murder". I always figured a charge like "attempted murder" was for things like shooting at someone or beating someone to unconsciousness, but not for elaborate note-keeping and procuring munitions.

 
Agreed. He planned this for 10 months! And not just thinking about it. Writing down plans, schematics, etc. Testing and perfecting bomb formulas. Planning diversions. Planning how to quietly murder his family so that he wouldn't get caught too early.All while acting like a completely normal kid. That's a sociopath.
The more info that comes in, the more it looks like he never sees the otuside of a ward ever again.

My initial point in this thread was more pedantic than anything -- absolutely don't want a danger to society to be walking free on a technicality. I was just wondering if his actions to date will be found in court to be "attempted murder". I always figured a charge like "attempted murder" was for things like shooting at someone or beating someone to unconsciousness, but not for elaborate note-keeping and procuring munitions.
:no: Attempted murder includes the planning of a murder.

 
setting the fire as a diversion tactic in a small town is diabolically brilliant.. increase the response time to allow for more carnage.. ugh :o

 
:no: Attempted murder includes the planning of a murder.
That means that an attention-whore copycat who tries to scare classmates with a "secret notebook" full of written "plans" to kill others could be in deep doo-doo if said notebook ever gets into the hands of police. True intent wouldn't matter, you're saying.

Or I suppose all that comes out in court. If it was just scare-mongering via copy-cat style notebook, but no weapons collection, no bomb-making, and such ... that kid probably gets off lighter.

 
:no: Attempted murder includes the planning of a murder.
That means that an attention-whore copycat who tries to scare classmates with a "secret notebook" full of written "plans" to kill others could be in deep doo-doo if said notebook ever gets into the hands of police. True intent wouldn't matter, you're saying.

Or I suppose all that comes out in court. If it was just scare-mongering via copy-cat style notebook, but no weapons collection, no bomb-making, and such ... that kid probably gets off lighter.
Basically. If it's proven that he was actively taking steps to carry out a murder, it's attempted murder. Just having a notebook by itself probably not going to cut it. But having the notebook of plans and had gotten or attempted to get some of the necessary items for the plan, then it's considered attempted murder.

 
I am a little disturbed by the lack of responses this is getting in the FFA. This guy was set to kill/injure numerous people but gets stopped before he gets to execute it, thanks to citizen who saw something suspicion and police willingness to follow up on it. Yet, only 20 some responses in 2 hours. Had he pulled it off we'd but up to 20 pages by now, complete with a rehashing of every gun argument thread we have. Guess some people just don't give a #### if there's no political angle.

 
I am a little disturbed by the lack of responses this is getting in the FFA. This guy was set to kill/injure numerous people but gets stopped before he gets to execute it, thanks to citizen who saw something suspicion and police willingness to follow up on it. Yet, only 20 some responses in 2 hours. Had he pulled it off we'd but up to 20 pages by now, complete with a rehashing of every gun argument thread we have. Guess some people just don't give a #### if there's no political angle.
To be fair to the FFA, even the shooting threads have been sparse. I think we are pretty much desensitized and no longer surprised. It's sad. I grew up about an hour from that town, in a very similar sized town in rural MN. I'm kind of shocked that no one found out earlier. It's really hard to keep a secret in these kinds of towns.

I think datonn lives pretty close to there as well.

 
I am a little disturbed by the lack of responses this is getting in the FFA. This guy was set to kill/injure numerous people but gets stopped before he gets to execute it, thanks to citizen who saw something suspicion and police willingness to follow up on it. Yet, only 20 some responses in 2 hours. Had he pulled it off we'd but up to 20 pages by now, complete with a rehashing of every gun argument thread we have. Guess some people just don't give a #### if there's no political angle.
To be fair to the FFA, even the shooting threads have been sparse. I think we are pretty much desensitized and no longer surprised. It's sad.I grew up about an hour from that town, in a very similar sized town in rural MN. I'm kind of shocked that no one found out earlier. It's really hard to keep a secret in these kinds of towns.

I think datonn lives pretty close to there as well.
I'm about two hours from Waseca and it is disturbing to see this kind of thing at any point, but then when he hear about it right in your backyard it puts things in a different perspective.

I don't think the lack of comments has anything to do with a political angle. I think it is society in general. People naturally rather talk about the negative rather than the positive that some stopped this before it happened. No doubt if he had followed through with one if not the larger school massacre there would be 20+ on this topic. Fortunately we are not discussing that or how someone didn't see the warning signs, or our typical gun control debate.

Thanks to the citizen that was over cautious rather than under.

 
I am a little disturbed by the lack of responses this is getting in the FFA. This guy was set to kill/injure numerous people but gets stopped before he gets to execute it, thanks to citizen who saw something suspicion and police willingness to follow up on it. Yet, only 20 some responses in 2 hours. Had he pulled it off we'd but up to 20 pages by now, complete with a rehashing of every gun argument thread we have. Guess some people just don't give a #### if there's no political angle.
everyone is glad it didn't happen. what else is needed to say?

 
I am a little disturbed by the lack of responses this is getting in the FFA. This guy was set to kill/injure numerous people but gets stopped before he gets to execute it, thanks to citizen who saw something suspicion and police willingness to follow up on it. Yet, only 20 some responses in 2 hours. Had he pulled it off we'd but up to 20 pages by now, complete with a rehashing of every gun argument thread we have. Guess some people just don't give a #### if there's no political angle.
everyone is glad it didn't happen. what else is needed to say?
:goodposting:

 
Why did it take him 10 minutes to open the shed? Hadn't he been in there before, since his bomb stuff was in there? He have 25 locks on it? I am confused on this point.

 
setting the fire as a diversion tactic in a small town is diabolically brilliant.. increase the response time to allow for more carnage.. ugh :o
Terrorists have been rumored to have plans for something similar. Hurt people on a large scale someplace and have the ambulances under their control to transport the victims to the hospitals...where the hospitals are blown up by the ambulances. It's been awhile; don't remember the specifics.

 
I'm curious if all that it took to give the cops probable cause to break into a locked storage unit is someone taking longer than average to open it. I wonder if the lease agreement waives this requirement.

 
I'm curious if all that it took to give the cops probable cause to break into a locked storage unit is someone taking longer than average to open it. I wonder if the lease agreement waives this requirement.
I would assume the management of the storage facility has the right to go into storage spaces under certain circumstances. My guess is suspicion of criminal activity is one of those. And lastly I would guess the threshold for suspicion is much lower for the management. I could be wrong though.

 
I'm curious if all that it took to give the cops probable cause to break into a locked storage unit is someone taking longer than average to open it. I wonder if the lease agreement waives this requirement.
I would assume the management of the storage facility has the right to go into storage spaces under certain circumstances. My guess is suspicion of criminal activity is one of those. And lastly I would guess the threshold for suspicion is much lower for the management. I could be wrong though.
I would assume what you're saying is true.

 
I'm curious if all that it took to give the cops probable cause to break into a locked storage unit is someone taking longer than average to open it. I wonder if the lease agreement waives this requirement.
I would assume the management of the storage facility has the right to go into storage spaces under certain circumstances. My guess is suspicion of criminal activity is one of those. And lastly I would guess the threshold for suspicion is much lower for the management. I could be wrong though.
He was at the storage unit when they talked to him. I don't believe they had to break in at all. They saw all the bom-making stuff and he asked them to guess what he was doing. They guessed correctly and he gave it up to them. He also told the cops that if he had a gun with him he would've shot them at the storage locker. He was moved to the most secure juvenile facility after threatening staff that he would strangle one with a phone cord.

 
I'm curious if all that it took to give the cops probable cause to break into a locked storage unit is someone taking longer than average to open it. I wonder if the lease agreement waives this requirement.
I would assume the management of the storage facility has the right to go into storage spaces under certain circumstances. My guess is suspicion of criminal activity is one of those. And lastly I would guess the threshold for suspicion is much lower for the management. I could be wrong though.
He was at the storage unit when they talked to him. I don't believe they had to break in at all. They saw all the bom-making stuff and he asked them to guess what he was doing. They guessed correctly and he gave it up to them.He also told the cops that if he had a gun with him he would've shot them at the storage locker. He was moved to the most secure juvenile facility after threatening staff that he would strangle one with a phone cord.
Missed that.

 
I am a little disturbed by the lack of responses this is getting in the FFA. This guy was set to kill/injure numerous people but gets stopped before he gets to execute it, thanks to citizen who saw something suspicion and police willingness to follow up on it. Yet, only 20 some responses in 2 hours. Had he pulled it off we'd but up to 20 pages by now, complete with a rehashing of every gun argument thread we have. Guess some people just don't give a #### if there's no political angle.
Thank you, sir, for so dutifully shaming us. Please feel free to let us know what other topics we should be more involved in.

 
I am a little disturbed by the lack of responses this is getting in the FFA. This guy was set to kill/injure numerous people but gets stopped before he gets to execute it, thanks to citizen who saw something suspicion and police willingness to follow up on it. Yet, only 20 some responses in 2 hours. Had he pulled it off we'd but up to 20 pages by now, complete with a rehashing of every gun argument thread we have. Guess some people just don't give a #### if there's no political angle.
Thank you, sir, for so dutifully shaming us. Please feel free to let us know what other topics we should be more involved in.
Appreciation shaming?

 
Better info here. Scary stuff. Many red flags for the 911 caller.

http://www.startribune.com/local/257505631.html
Good link for those wanting deeper detail.

I thought it was kind of weird that someone would just happen to see LaDue at the storage facility and drop a dime on him. But this excerpt from the link makes things clearer:

Markeson said police believe the attack would have happened “within the next few weeks” if it hadn’t been for an alert 911 caller who grew suspicious after she saw a tall, white male wearing a backpack open a storage unit, go inside and close the door.

Chelsie Schellhas was washing dishes Tuesday night when she noticed a boy with a backpack and a fast-food bag walking through her back yard toward the nearby MiniMax Storage Units.

“He walked through the puddles when there was a perfectly good road he could have walked on,” she said. “It just didn’t seem right to me because we see people come and go with their trucks, and they don’t come on foot and cut through people’s back yards. It was like he was blatantly trying not to be seen. That’s why I thought it was odd.”

And then it took “some time” for him to open the door, leading Schellhas to believe he was breaking in. Before he shut the door, Schellhas noticed trash and Wal-Mart bags in the unit. That also “didn’t look right,” she said.
 
So where the hell were this guy's parents? How does a 17 year old - I assume still in high school - rent a locker, posess various firearms, buy or order a pressure cooker, gun powder, etc, etc without either one of them even getting a hint that something was wrong?

 
I am a little disturbed by the lack of responses this is getting in the FFA. This guy was set to kill/injure numerous people but gets stopped before he gets to execute it, thanks to citizen who saw something suspicion and police willingness to follow up on it. Yet, only 20 some responses in 2 hours. Had he pulled it off we'd but up to 20 pages by now, complete with a rehashing of every gun argument thread we have. Guess some people just don't give a #### if there's no political angle.
Thank you, sir, for so dutifully shaming us. Please feel free to let us know what other topics we should be more involved in.
Exactly

 
Doug B said:
johnnyrock62000 said:
Better info here. Scary stuff. Many red flags for the 911 caller.

http://www.startribune.com/local/257505631.html
Good link for those wanting deeper detail.

I thought it was kind of weird that someone would just happen to see LaDue at the storage facility and drop a dime on him. But this excerpt from the link makes things clearer:

Markeson said police believe the attack would have happened “within the next few weeks” if it hadn’t been for an alert 911 caller who grew suspicious after she saw a tall, white male wearing a backpack open a storage unit, go inside and close the door.

Chelsie Schellhas was washing dishes Tuesday night when she noticed a boy with a backpack and a fast-food bag walking through her back yard toward the nearby MiniMax Storage Units.

“He walked through the puddles when there was a perfectly good road he could have walked on,” she said. “It just didn’t seem right to me because we see people come and go with their trucks, and they don’t come on foot and cut through people’s back yards. It was like he was blatantly trying not to be seen. That’s why I thought it was odd.”

And then it took “some time” for him to open the door, leading Schellhas to believe he was breaking in. Before he shut the door, Schellhas noticed trash and Wal-Mart bags in the unit. That also “didn’t look right,” she said.
This was the quote I noticed:

LaDue had planned and practiced for 10 months, refining the chemicals in his bombs to try to find a more lethal combination. He set off “practice bombs” on the playground at Hartley Elementary School, Faith United Methodist Church, Oak Park and high school softball fields. Some of those bombs were found in March, raising concerns.
I would assume based on finding those bombs recently had the police a little more willing to respond to suspicious activity type calls.

 
Jobber said:
So where the hell were this guy's parents? How does a 17 year old - I assume still in high school - rent a locker, posess various firearms, buy or order a pressure cooker, gun powder, etc, etc without either one of them even getting a hint that something was wrong?
The witness told the newspaper (and presumably the police) that she believed LaDue was breaking in to the unit, as it was taking him too long to get the door open. I'm guessing her supposition held up.

 
Jobber said:
So where the hell were this guy's parents? How does a 17 year old - I assume still in high school - rent a locker, posess various firearms, buy or order a pressure cooker, gun powder, etc, etc without either one of them even getting a hint that something was wrong?
Often they already know and there is a reason he is a sociopath, because of one or both of his parents. I am pretty sure it was posted in here when I read it, but there was an article about a boy and his parents and how his mom was always worried that he would kill his brother for something as silly as using his toys. The author talked in length about how he could tell the boy was a sociopath and also talked about how the dad was sort of like that. It was really interesting and you could tell that one son was like his mom, more normal and the sociopath was like his dad only worse. This may have been unintentional, but there was not a single quote from the dad about how worried he was, it was all from the mom. Anyway, I would think two emotionally normal parents are going to have a sociopath, so the parents of a sociopath may not pick up on things that we would.

 
So I think this is a perfect case of starting to send these ####wads off to Egypt to get tortured in prisons and never heard from again. We can't do it, but there are people that can and will.

 
Rayderr said:
I am a little disturbed by the lack of responses this is getting in the FFA. This guy was set to kill/injure numerous people but gets stopped before he gets to execute it, thanks to citizen who saw something suspicion and police willingness to follow up on it. Yet, only 20 some responses in 2 hours. Had he pulled it off we'd but up to 20 pages by now, complete with a rehashing of every gun argument thread we have. Guess some people just don't give a #### if there's no political angle.
I really don't see how this is not an argument for needing more gun control. Also shows how ####ed up people are that are obsessed with guns.

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