Scott Walker WI governor vs the Packers & teachers (2 Viewers)

[Statorama]

More lefty nuttiness...

Public employee unions boycott business for supporting Walker even though they didn't support Walker

Madison -- Teachers, firefighters and police officers said they would begin a boycott of M&I Bank if the bank does not begin publicly opposing Gov. Scott Walker's efforts to curtail collective bargaining for public workers.

Unions representing those groups said they would start other boycotts of businesses that backed Walker in his campaign.

The letter to M&I President Tom Ellis said the boycott would begin March 17 if the bank hasn't opposed Walker's efforts by then.

"In the event that you cannot support this effort to save collective bargaining, please be advised that the undersigned will publicly and formally boycott the goods and services provided by your company," the letter says. "However, if you join us, we will do everything in our power to publicly celebrate your partnership in the fight to preserve the right of public employees to be heard at the bargaining table."

The letter was sent by the heads of the Wisconsin Professional Police Association, the Professional Fire Fighters of Wisconsin, the International Association of Fire Fighters Local 311, Madison Teachers Inc., Green Bay Education Association, Dane County Deputy Sheriffs Assocation and the Madison Professional Police Officers Association.

The Professional Police Association represents dozens of municipal and county law enforcement agencies throughout the state.

Sara Schmitz, a spokeswoman for the bank, did not have an immediate comment on the letter.

Earlier this week, the bank, reacting to showing up on a Facebook-sponsored list of boycott targets around the state, said that "Marshall & Ilsley Corporation and M&I Bank have not made contributions to any political campaign in Wisconsin. By law, corporations and businesses are not permitted to make direct contributions to political campaigns.

"Individual employees may choose, at their own discretion and based on their political beliefs, to make contributions to political campaigns. Donors are typically required to identify their employer. Each campaign -- Scott Walker and Tom Barrett -- received voluntary contributions from individual M&I employees."

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

They just adjourned the meeting until next Wednsday and the DEMs went crazy

 

[Limp Ditka]

33. Wayne Gretzky

It's actually impossible to overstate how good he was.

I don't often engage in hyperbole, but he was the greatest non-roided offensive force in any sport ever.

I cleared out the dugout with a fart once. That was pretty damn offensive.

Roarin??

Beer, sausage and beans. 100 degree heat. Silent.

 

[Sarnoff]

29. Kevin Kolb

A lockout or strike could kill this guy's career.

 

[RCon]

Okay Tim I am ready to sacrifice for the good of the FFA...Tim if you stop posting in the FAA I will stop posting in the FFA...If you use an alias it cannot be anything related to your Timschochet alias...No bet, no waiting until 2012, I will not post again unless you do...No more FFA for us, we OWE it to the FFA...

No thanks. And I hope you don't stop posting. I enjoy arguing with you.

Really? He's on "my side" and even I don't like his posts.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

If there was any doubt before, American politics have officially jumped the shark.

Ridiculous. It's the same game but a different year.

You think this is "same old, same old"?

Absolutely. While the details change, I think things are actually much calmer. I don't see anyone challenging another to a duel. And people have been laying waste to state buildings during political disputes for over a century.

 

[Statorama]

Once the dust settles on this thing, the police chief of the capital police needs to be fired. You cannot allow a group of animals to endanger our elected officials like this. Democrat/Republican/Independent should be able to do their jobs at the state capitol without intimidation or death threats. Fire codes have been ignored. Hours of operation have been ignored. The chief has been incredibly ineffective at handling this crowd.

You know what they would have called this in Chicago? A police fundraiser. Hundreds of idiots hauled off in paddy wagons all with trespassing tickets at $500 a pop. Cue the Herb Alpert prize winning music.

 

[Sarnoff]

28. Habitat for Humanity & the ACLU

I've donated to both in the past for various reasons... in memory of a person who requested donations in lieu of flowers, to support a particular cause they were advocating, etc. But since then, I've been getting mail from them, each about once a week or so. They've spent far more in postage trying to get me to donate again than I ever gave them in the first place. I feel like my donation was a total waste now, and that sucks. You'd think after a couple of years with no response, they'd just drop me from their list, but apparently they're not that smart.

 

[jonessed]

It's kind of scary to think that these people might actually believe what they are saying and have no clue about how our government or our constitution actually work.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Can we change his user name to Casey Kasem Fan?

#1

HITLER

 

[Statorama]

Speaking of hilarious unintended consequences, since the fleeing 14 Democrats forced this bill to be changed there are now no limits as to what the Governor can ask union members to pay into their healthcare and pension. The fiscal portion set those limits at 12 and 5 percent each. Now there are no limits. Good work Democrats.

 

[ffjunk]

Speaking of hilarious unintended consequences, since the fleeing 14 Democrats forced this bill to be changed there are now no limits as to what the Governor can ask union members to pay into their healthcare and pension. The fiscal portion set those limits at 12 and 5 percent each. Now there are no limits. Good work Democrats.

There is nothing hilarious about that. It's not like they make FBG money and will easily be able to deal with it.

 

[Road Warriors]

Speaking of hilarious unintended consequences, since the fleeing 14 Democrats forced this bill to be changed there are now no limits as to what the Governor can ask union members to pay into their healthcare and pension. The fiscal portion set those limits at 12 and 5 percent each. Now there are no limits. Good work Democrats.

There is nothing hilarious about that. It's not like they make FBG money and will easily be able to deal with it.

Perhaps the Union bosses should have had a bit of foresight and ordered their elected puppets to go back to work and take the deal offered than to overplay their hand so arrogantly.

 

[Ilov80s]

Wisconsin= fail on all sides. I just hope the other states learn lessons from this mess and handle everything with much more civility and cooperation.

 

[Statorama]

Wisconsin= fail on all sides. I just hope the other states learn lessons from this mess and handle everything with much more civility and cooperation.

If the 14 cowardly Democratic Senators had stayed and debated the bill on the floor of the Senate, this situation would have been fine.

 

[uwgb96]

Speaking of hilarious unintended consequences, since the fleeing 14 Democrats forced this bill to be changed there are now no limits as to what the Governor can ask union members to pay into their healthcare and pension. The fiscal portion set those limits at 12 and 5 percent each. Now there are no limits. Good work Democrats.

Actually, I've heard that the 12 and 5 are still in there.

 

[Statorama]

Speaking of hilarious unintended consequences, since the fleeing 14 Democrats forced this bill to be changed there are now no limits as to what the Governor can ask union members to pay into their healthcare and pension. The fiscal portion set those limits at 12 and 5 percent each. Now there are no limits. Good work Democrats.

There is nothing hilarious about that. It's not like they make FBG money and will easily be able to deal with it.

It might also be less

 

[Statorama]

Speaking of hilarious unintended consequences, since the fleeing 14 Democrats forced this bill to be changed there are now no limits as to what the Governor can ask union members to pay into their healthcare and pension. The fiscal portion set those limits at 12 and 5 percent each. Now there are no limits. Good work Democrats.

Actually, I've heard that the 12 and 5 are still in there.

Hmmm, I think that's a fiscal component, but we'll soon find out.

 

[timschochet]

Okay Tim I am ready to sacrifice for the good of the FFA...Tim if you stop posting in the FAA I will stop posting in the FFA...If you use an alias it cannot be anything related to your Timschochet alias...No bet, no waiting until 2012, I will not post again unless you do...No more FFA for us, we OWE it to the FFA...

No thanks. And I hope you don't stop posting. I enjoy arguing with you.

Really? He's on "my side" and even I don't like his posts.

Well....I enjoy making fun of him. So many people make fun of me it's satisfying to strike back!

 

[larry_boy_44]

Now he's saying that the republicans are making this worse by saying that the state is broke. Lee Iacoca never said that. Bill Gates never says that. If we just lie to people and say that we are rich more business will come and somehow every middle class family will wake up and see a brand new house next to their current house.

You know, I loved it when Enron did that...You know what was even better? When Wall Street did it...OH WAIT!! nevermind that sucked... morons

 

[The Kerminator]

Channel 12 Milwaukee just interviewed Democratic Sen. Miller (Kenosha)on when they are coming back.

Miller: Right now we have no plans to come back yet

Interviewer: Reports are that Democratic Senator Jauch has returned home

Miller: We are not coming back yet. Have you seen him?

Interviewer: He's being interviewed live on TV in Wausau right now

Miller: We are not here to talk about that. We're here to talk about the events of last night.

This guy has been a huge failure for the democratic senators.

 

[The Kerminator]

I find this rather funny:

Tom Barrett, Scott Walker's 2010 Opponent, Endorsed Voting Without Senate Democrats Present

While Democrats are now outraged that the state senate voted last night on the budget repair bill without Democrats present, Milwaukee mayor Tom Barrett encouraged Republicans to do just that on Monday night.

During an interview with conservative talk radio host Charlie Sykes, Barrett said:

BARRETT: You could vote on those without those missing senators. You could vote on those tomorrow morning. You don’t need 20 senators to vote on those changes to the collective bargaining. Again, if someone really wanted to end this standoff, the way you would end it is simply have a separate vote.

SYKES: Would you favor that?

BARRETT: I would certainly favor that.

Barrett, who lost to Scott Walker in the November gubernatorial election, went on to argue that Republicans wouldn't vote on a standalone measure to restrict collective bargaining because it couldn't pass.

Barrett was asked about these comments during a radio interview on Milwaukee radio station WTMJ this morning. “I’ve been saying all along that you have to take the non-budgetary items out of the budget bill. But what they did was they violated state law. They operated like this is a banana republic," said Barrett, arguing that the state senate violated the state's open meetings law by not giving 24 hours notice before voting on the bill. "This was a clear, clear offense against the people of the state of Wisconsin.” (Wisconsin senate chief Cleark Ron Marchant says that the vote "appears to have satisfied the requirements of the rules and statutes.")

Barrett went on to criticize Republicans for "taking away the rights to collectively organize," as he put it.

What Barrett called for in his interview Monday night--separate votes on collective bargaining restrictions and increasing government workers' health care and pension contributions--was not precisely what senate Republicans did last night. They did, in fact, vote on both provisions in the same bill. But his comments still undercut the outrage we're now seeing from senate Democrats. In his interview, Barrett conceded in principle that voting without Democrats present was ethical, legal, and indeed something he "would certainly favor."

 

[Sarnoff]

27. Richard Neutra

An architect that doesn't get nearly enough respect. I'd live in an outhouse he designed.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Channel 12 Milwaukee just interviewed Democratic Sen. Miller (Kenosha)on when they are coming back. Miller: Right now we have no plans to come back yetInterviewer: Reports are that Democratic Senator Jauch has returned homeMiller: We are not coming back yet. Have you seen him?Interviewer: He's being interviewed live on TV in Wausau right nowMiller: We are not here to talk about that. We're here to talk about the events of last night.This guy has been a huge failure for the democratic senators.

Baghdad Bob LIVES!!!!!

 

[Mr.Pack]

I find this rather funny:

Tom Barrett, Scott Walker's 2010 Opponent, Endorsed Voting Without Senate Democrats Present

While Democrats are now outraged that the state senate voted last night on the budget repair bill without Democrats present, Milwaukee mayor Tom Barrett encouraged Republicans to do just that on Monday night.

During an interview with conservative talk radio host Charlie Sykes, Barrett said:

BARRETT: You could vote on those without those missing senators. You could vote on those tomorrow morning. You don’t need 20 senators to vote on those changes to the collective bargaining. Again, if someone really wanted to end this standoff, the way you would end it is simply have a separate vote.

SYKES: Would you favor that?

BARRETT: I would certainly favor that.

Barrett, who lost to Scott Walker in the November gubernatorial election, went on to argue that Republicans wouldn't vote on a standalone measure to restrict collective bargaining because it couldn't pass.

Barrett was asked about these comments during a radio interview on Milwaukee radio station WTMJ this morning. “I’ve been saying all along that you have to take the non-budgetary items out of the budget bill. But what they did was they violated state law. They operated like this is a banana republic," said Barrett, arguing that the state senate violated the state's open meetings law by not giving 24 hours notice before voting on the bill. "This was a clear, clear offense against the people of the state of Wisconsin.” (Wisconsin senate chief Cleark Ron Marchant says that the vote "appears to have satisfied the requirements of the rules and statutes.")

Barrett went on to criticize Republicans for "taking away the rights to collectively organize," as he put it.

What Barrett called for in his interview Monday night--separate votes on collective bargaining restrictions and increasing government workers' health care and pension contributions--was not precisely what senate Republicans did last night. They did, in fact, vote on both provisions in the same bill. But his comments still undercut the outrage we're now seeing from senate Democrats. In his interview, Barrett conceded in principle that voting without Democrats present was ethical, legal, and indeed something he "would certainly favor."

Awesome

 

[The Kerminator]

I find this rather funny:

Tom Barrett, Scott Walker's 2010 Opponent, Endorsed Voting Without Senate Democrats Present

While Democrats are now outraged that the state senate voted last night on the budget repair bill without Democrats present, Milwaukee mayor Tom Barrett encouraged Republicans to do just that on Monday night.

During an interview with conservative talk radio host Charlie Sykes, Barrett said:

BARRETT: You could vote on those without those missing senators. You could vote on those tomorrow morning. You don’t need 20 senators to vote on those changes to the collective bargaining. Again, if someone really wanted to end this standoff, the way you would end it is simply have a separate vote.

SYKES: Would you favor that?

BARRETT: I would certainly favor that.

Barrett, who lost to Scott Walker in the November gubernatorial election, went on to argue that Republicans wouldn't vote on a standalone measure to restrict collective bargaining because it couldn't pass.

Barrett was asked about these comments during a radio interview on Milwaukee radio station WTMJ this morning. “I’ve been saying all along that you have to take the non-budgetary items out of the budget bill. But what they did was they violated state law. They operated like this is a banana republic," said Barrett, arguing that the state senate violated the state's open meetings law by not giving 24 hours notice before voting on the bill. "This was a clear, clear offense against the people of the state of Wisconsin.” (Wisconsin senate chief Cleark Ron Marchant says that the vote "appears to have satisfied the requirements of the rules and statutes.")

Barrett went on to criticize Republicans for "taking away the rights to collectively organize," as he put it.

What Barrett called for in his interview Monday night--separate votes on collective bargaining restrictions and increasing government workers' health care and pension contributions--was not precisely what senate Republicans did last night. They did, in fact, vote on both provisions in the same bill. But his comments still undercut the outrage we're now seeing from senate Democrats. In his interview, Barrett conceded in principle that voting without Democrats present was ethical, legal, and indeed something he "would certainly favor."

Awesome

Gov. Walker was at that same event. I wonder if the Republicans considered this before that event or if Barrett gave them the idea. Or maybe he just gave them the stamp of approval.ETA: If the democrats are serious about moving ahead with a recall of Walker they better come up with somebody besides Barrett. This audio clip will be played over and over.

 

[dickey moe]

Thanks for putting up with my pomposity. That was fun to write, but I do mean every word of it. This situation pisses me off, and I blame everyone.1. American public2. Democratic legislators3. Scott Walker4. Tea Party5. Protestors6. Public Employee Unions7. National Republican Party8. Ed Schultz9. National Democratic Party10. Moderate Republican legislators

What in the hell is this pap?

 

[Sarnoff]

26. Airline Peanuts

I haven't been offered peanuts on a plane in five or six years. Why did they stop giving these out? Was it a cost-saving measure? Or did the stewardesses get tired of the constant Jerry Seinfeld impersonations in the cabin... "What's the deeeeeal... with airplane peanuts?"

ETA: Spinoff Wheelhouse Thread Topic: What do you do with your right hand when typing the word 'stewardesses'?

 

[jon_mx]

Thanks for putting up with my pomposity. That was fun to write, but I do mean every word of it. This situation pisses me off, and I blame everyone.1. American public2. Democratic legislators3. Scott Walker4. Tea Party5. Protestors6. Public Employee Unions7. National Republican Party8. Ed Schultz9. National Democratic Party10. Moderate Republican legislators

What in the hell is this pap?

Excellent question.

 

[BoneYardDog]

Okay Tim I am ready to sacrifice for the good of the FFA...Tim if you stop posting in the FAA I will stop posting in the FFA...If you use an alias it cannot be anything related to your Timschochet alias...No bet, no waiting until 2012, I will not post again unless you do...No more FFA for us, we OWE it to the FFA...

No thanks. And I hope you don't stop posting. I enjoy arguing with you.

Really? He's on "my side" and even I don't like his posts.

Well....I enjoy making fun of him. So many people make fun of me it's satisfying to strike back!

Bite me, k???

 

[timschochet]

26. Airline Peanuts

I haven't been offered peanuts on a plane in five or six years. Why did they stop giving these out? Was it a cost-saving measure? Or did the stewardesses get tired of the constant Jerry Seinfeld impersonations in the cabin... "What's the deeeeeal... with airplane peanuts?"

I can actually answer this question, because my daughter is allergic to peanuts and carries an epipen everywhere. Because an airplane is a closed in space and there's no means to get to a doctor immediately, many parents of children with severe peanut allegeries are concerned about this and have requested that airlines stop serving peanuts. Most airlines have agreed to do so.

 

[Statorama]

Next stop? Ohio

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - Ohio's House speaker now says he hopes a bill to limit public workers' union rights will be voted on next week, suggesting a faster timetable than he'd indicated previously.

Speaker William Batchelder had said he wanted three weeks of hearings on the bill, which has drawn sometimes noisy protests at the Statehouse. Hearings began Tuesday and were to continue Thursday.

The Columbus Dispatch reports Batchelder now says a possible House floor vote next week would come after the equivalent of 3 weeks' worth of hearings. He explains that lawmakers are meeting on the bill each day, not stretching out the hearing calendar.

After Batchelder made his comments Wednesday, his spokesman released a statement saying exact timing of a vote has "not yet been solidified."

The Senate passed the measure last week.

 

[Redwes25]

Thanks for putting up with my pomposity. That was fun to write, but I do mean every word of it. This situation pisses me off, and I blame everyone.

1. American public

2. Democratic legislators

3. Scott Walker

4. Tea Party

5. Protestors

6. Public Employee Unions

7. National Republican Party

8. Ed Schultz

9. National Democratic Party

10. Moderate Republican legislators

We didn't have a choice. I can't believe you actually did this

 

[Sarnoff]

25. Ventriloquists

I saw an old advertisement once offering courses in ventriloquism. It said you could get jobs performing at parties, on TV, and on radio. Edgar Bergen's fame came from doing ventriloquism on the radio. He built a career out of it. How do we know he didn't just have a second guy standing next to him the whole time?

 

[Fishboy]

Speaking of hilarious unintended consequences, since the fleeing 14 Democrats forced this bill to be changed there are now no limits as to what the Governor can ask union members to pay into their healthcare and pension. The fiscal portion set those limits at 12 and 5 percent each. Now there are no limits. Good work Democrats.

Actually, I've heard that the 12 and 5 are still in there.

Hmmm, I think that's a fiscal component, but we'll soon find out.

Fiscal in nature, but does not involve taxes to the public or government expenditure so doesn't fall under that rule is what I'm hearing.About time to put this to vote.This was nothing, it's now about to get interesting.

 

[Ilov80s]

Wisconsin= fail on all sides. I just hope the other states learn lessons from this mess and handle everything with much more civility and cooperation.

If the 14 cowardly Democratic Senators had stayed and debated the bill on the floor of the Senate, this situation would have been fine.

Why do you say that? I don't think think the 14 Democrats were right, but I don't think they were the ones whom were soley responsible for the problems. Everyone is acting like a self absorbed ###,

 

[Leviathan]

Thanks for putting up with my pomposity. That was fun to write, but I do mean every word of it. This situation pisses me off, and I blame everyone.1. American public2. Democratic legislators3. Scott Walker4. Tea Party5. Protestors6. Public Employee Unions7. National Republican Party8. Ed Schultz9. National Democratic Party10. Moderate Republican legislators

Way to take a stand!

 

[Class Dismissed]

Channel 12 Milwaukee just interviewed Democratic Sen. Miller (Kenosha)on when they are coming back. Miller: Right now we have no plans to come back yetInterviewer: Reports are that Democratic Senator Jauch has returned homeMiller: We are not coming back yet. Have you seen him?Interviewer: He's being interviewed live on TV in Wausau right nowMiller: We are not here to talk about that. We're here to talk about the events of last night.This guy has been a huge failure for the democratic senators.

Dude wants to vote only on the things he wants, and only wants to talk about the things he wants to talk about. Get outside of his comfort zone and he hightails it to another state and shuts down dialogue.Not exactly the qualities I would be looking for in a leader.

 

[Steve Tasker]

I like how both sides are insisting the other is ruining democracy.

I won't even talk about it with people here in Madison. Nobody's acting rationally at all.

Really?

Yes, really. Nobody's talked about the merits of the bill for weeks. It's all about how the "other side" is acting. Your reaction is the same as YankeeFan's, which is the same as the Democrats.You're all insane. This isn't about the bill, it's about showing that your side is acting better. And from someone who knows people directly affected by this bill on both sides, it's incredibly disappointing to watch.

I can't imagine what it must be like living there right now.

 

[timschochet]

Chickens coming home to roost... Is this where everyone does a 180???

Republicans Threaten Senate Blockade if Reid Doesn't Deal With Debt, Spending

The letter was signed by Republican Sens. David Vitter of Louisiana, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, John Ensign of Nevada, Mike Lee of Utah, Jim DeMint of South Carolina, Rand Paul of Kentucky, Roger Wicker of Mississippi, Marco Rubio of Florida, Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.Senate rules give individual members the power to block legislation indefinitely to force debate. The letter says that the members will blockade any unrelated bill that comes forward unless Reid dedicates "significant floor time" to the debate over debt and spending.

Interesting news, but how is it connected to Wisconsin?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Chickens coming home to roost...

Is this where everyone does a 180???

Republicans Threaten Senate Blockade if Reid Doesn't Deal With Debt, Spending

The letter was signed by Republican Sens. David Vitter of Louisiana, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, John Ensign of Nevada, Mike Lee of Utah, Jim DeMint of South Carolina, Rand Paul of Kentucky, Roger Wicker of Mississippi, Marco Rubio of Florida, Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.

Senate rules give individual members the power to block legislation indefinitely to force debate. The letter says that the members will blockade any unrelated bill that comes forward unless Reid dedicates "significant floor time" to the debate over debt and spending.

No 180 at all. Senate Republicans have been blocking every thing they could for 2 and half years.

 

[timschochet]

Some thoughtful commentary from E.J. Dionne. He is a liberal, but I think he is directly on point here:

Here's the key to the Wisconsin battle: For the first time in a long time, blue-collar Republicans -- once known as Reagan Democrats -- have been encouraged to remember what they think is wrong with conservative ideology. Working-class voters, including many Republicans, want no part of Walker's war.

A nationwide Pew Research Center survey released last week, for example, showed Americans siding with the unions over Walker by a margin of 42 percent to 31 percent. Walker's 31 percent was well below the GOP's typical base vote because 17 percent of self-described Republicans picked the unions over their party's governor.

At my request, Pew broke the numbers down by education and income and, sure enough, Walker won support from less than half of Republicans in two overlapping groups: those with incomes under $50,000, and those who did not attend college. Walker's strongest support came from the wealthier and those with college educations, i.e., country club Republicans.

Republicans cannot afford to hemorrhage blue-collar voters. In a seminal article in The Weekly Standard six years ago, conservative writers Reihan Salam and Ross Douthat observed: "This is the Republican Party of today -- an increasingly working-class party, dependent for its power on supermajorities of the white working-class vote, and a party whose constituents are surprisingly comfortable with bad-but-popular liberal ideas like raising the minimum wage, expanding clumsy environmental regulations, or hiking taxes on the wealthy to fund a health care entitlement."

Put aside that I favor the policies Douthat and Salam criticize. Their electoral point is dead on. In 2010, working-class whites gave Republicans a 30-point lead over Democrats in House races. That's why the Wisconsin fight is so dangerous to the conservative cause: Many working-class Republicans still have warm feelings toward unions, and Walker has contrived to remind them of this.

 

[timschochet]

I also read a very thoughtful piece from National Review which is too long to post here, but made an interesting prediction- that when the Dems return to power in Wisconsin (as eventually they will sooner or later) they will of course reinstate the involuntary contribution for public employees, but they will NOT reinstate collective bargaining rights, because they won't want to give power back to a different source from themselves: i.e., the unions.

I think this is dead on, and in a few years from now, there's going to be some progressives who are awfully upset at the Democratic party for betraying them. But that's politics.

 

[cr8f]

I also read a very thoughtful piece from National Review which is too long to post here, but made an interesting prediction- that when the Dems return to power in Wisconsin (as eventually they will sooner or later) they will of course reinstate the involuntary contribution for public employees, but they will NOT reinstate collective bargaining rights, because they won't want to give power back to a different source from themselves: i.e., the unions.

I think this is dead on, and in a few years from now, there's going to be some progressives who are awfully upset at the Democratic party for betraying them. But that's politics.

They are the ones that say whoever runs for president is the most liberal in the senate(when a senator runs). Kerry was more liberal than Kennedy in 2004, then in 08 Obama was the most liberal.

They lose a lot of credibility by doing that. I don't like extreme right or left when they manipulate facts to win an argument.

This from their home page-with that title I won't bother reading further.

THE STATES: WISCONSIN

A Modest Victory

The Left isn’t fighting for workers, but for its power to seize their paychecks.

What's really stake is the fact that only unions have the power to fight what came from the right in the last election. Of the top 10 independent spenders and 527's 7 were right wing and unions were the other 3.

But if they would do that democrats would get run out of office too I would think.

It would be nice if we are seeing the start of a real 3rd party.

Here State Troopers want protection for obeying Walker in any civil rights suit.

 

[snogger]

Some thoughtful commentary from E.J. Dionne. He is a liberal, but I think he is directly on point here:Here's the key to the Wisconsin battle: For the first time in a long time, blue-collar Republicans -- once known as Reagan Democrats -- have been encouraged to remember what they think is wrong with conservative ideology. Working-class voters, including many Republicans, want no part of Walker's war.A nationwide Pew Research Center survey released last week, for example, showed Americans siding with the unions over Walker by a margin of 42 percent to 31 percent. Walker's 31 percent was well below the GOP's typical base vote because 17 percent of self-described Republicans picked the unions over their party's governor.At my request, Pew broke the numbers down by education and income and, sure enough, Walker won support from less than half of Republicans in two overlapping groups: those with incomes under $50,000, and those who did not attend college. Walker's strongest support came from the wealthier and those with college educations, i.e., country club Republicans.Republicans cannot afford to hemorrhage blue-collar voters. In a seminal article in The Weekly Standard six years ago, conservative writers Reihan Salam and Ross Douthat observed: "This is the Republican Party of today -- an increasingly working-class party, dependent for its power on supermajorities of the white working-class vote, and a party whose constituents are surprisingly comfortable with bad-but-popular liberal ideas like raising the minimum wage, expanding clumsy environmental regulations, or hiking taxes on the wealthy to fund a health care entitlement."Put aside that I favor the policies Douthat and Salam criticize. Their electoral point is dead on. In 2010, working-class whites gave Republicans a 30-point lead over Democrats in House races. That's why the Wisconsin fight is so dangerous to the conservative cause: Many working-class Republicans still have warm feelings toward unions, and Walker has contrived to remind them of this.

I hate to keep repeating myself but.. If the economy turns around next year this issue will barely be on the radar.It has been proven over and over again.. If the economy is doing good, those in power will stay in power. If the economy is tanking, the party in control will take the blame and be shown the door.

 

[cr8f]

Leaving the state allowed all of us to see what are actually in the bills before they passed, (trying to get 2 more republicans to compromise) but it didn't work.

Several wavering republicans probably led to passing it like this(but I think it will be overturned in court), but they can then pass the original bill so I doubt it matters.

It did get the public involved so in that sense it worked. We ned rule changes so any minority can slow down bills so the public can chime in and express their opinions so senators don't think they have to leave.

They aren't the first, this is I believe the 4th time this has happened here. Some sort of minor fillibuster where the bill can slow down for a few weeks(and request public hearings) is what we need.

Firefighters did a run on M&I Bank one of Walkers big supporters and it had to close yesterday when over $192,000 was withdrawn.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/10/954963/-Bank-that-funded-Walker,-now-Closed

Firefighters in Wisconsin marched to the M&I bank earlier today in Madison and withdrew their money. In total they took an estimated $192,000.

They asked others to follow their lead. Apparently others did. Just updated:

A call to M&I's Capitol Square branch confirms the bank is closed for the rest of the day.

This is how you protest.

 

[jon_mx]

Leaving the state allowed all of us to see what are actually in the bills before they passed, (trying to get 2 more republicans to compromise) but it didn't work.

Several wavering republicans probably led to passing it like this(but I think it will be overturned in court), but they can then pass the original bill so I doubt it matters.

It did get the public involved so in that sense it worked. We ned rule changes so any minority can slow down bills so the public can chime in and express their opinions so senators don't think they have to leave.

They aren't the first, this is I believe the 4th time this has happened here. Some sort of minor fillibuster where the bill can slow down for a few weeks(and request public hearings) is what we need.

Firefighters did a run on M&I Bank one of Walkers big supporters and it had to close yesterday when over $192,000 was withdrawn.

http://www.dailykos....ker,-now-Closed

Firefighters in Wisconsin marched to the M&I bank earlier today in Madison and withdrew their money. In total they took an estimated $192,000.

They asked others to follow their lead. Apparently others did. Just updated:

A call to M&I's Capitol Square branch confirms the bank is closed for the rest of the day.

This is how you protest.

Did not know you were one of the 14 Wisconsin senators....There is a little function that puts stuff in quotes....

 

[Jobber]

And what exactly is M&I Bank guilty of? Not publicly denouncing the bill. They have nothing to do with any of this and are being boycotted by these goons. What's next, La Bamba not giving away free burritos to protesters gets boycotted?

 

[snogger]

For those interested I reviewed the Recall laws for Wisconsin.

I think some of these people signing for a Recall think.. "YEA.. I will recall them and they will be gone ".

Not so fast there Charlie.. A recall effort is a long process.

Even if you get the signatures(Need 25% of the voters of the district to sign), that doesn't guarantee that the person you are trying to recall won't get reelected.

Worse yet.. someone you have no knowledge about and NOT your "Star" candidate could win it.

So, here are some of the finer points:

You have 60 days to collect signatures.

10 Days after that for the officeholder being recalled to file any challenge.

?? On length before challenge is accepted or denied?? could be days, weeks or months as there is no information on how long a challenge could take.

Than 31 days to certify after the challenge has been dealt with.

So let's go with a 4 week challenge.. we are at about 4 Months now.

The Recall election shall be held the first Tuesday 6 Weeks after that.

5 1/2 Months

Oops wait..

If more than two persons compete for the office, a recall primary will be held on the date

originally set for the recall election.

The recall election will then be held on the Tuesday of the fourth week after the recall primary.

So now we are 6 1/2 to 7 Months.

So, at the earliest the Recall election would probably take place is October.. and that's only if the Court Challenge doesn't drag out like most do..

Lot's of things WILL change between now and then.

Also, one other bit of information:

The officeholder against whom the recall petition is filed shall automatically appear on the ballot as a candidate at the

recall election.

So you are not quite rid of the person just yet..

OH and your recall efforts for Walker??

They can't even begin until January as a person needs to be in office for 1 year before a recall petition can be started.

Wisconsin Laws on recalls

 

[Slapdash]

I think this is dead on, and in a few years from now, there's going to be some progressives who are awfully upset at the Democratic party for betraying them. But that's politics.