Scott Walker WI governor vs the Packers & teachers (1 Viewer)

[Mr.Pack]

It's now a law!

Well it will be tomorrow morning, but for how long? Probably not long as I'm sure there will be an injunction ordered by one of the liberal Madison Judges. Why do Liberals think they are above the law?

Getting an injunction is going with the law. Not acting above it.

No, I know that. I was talking about the original TRO issued by the Liberal Judge.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

It's now a law!

Well it will be tomorrow morning, but for how long? Probably not long as I'm sure there will be an injunction ordered by one of the liberal Madison Judges. Why do Liberals think they are above the law?

Getting an injunction is going with the law. Not acting above it.

No, I know that. I was talking about the original TRO issued by the Liberal Judge.

Gotcha. Your post was a bit misleading. Or maybe it was just me.

 

[jon_mx]

Any bets on which public service union does cr8f belong too?

The Wisconsin Education Association Council

Service Employees International Union

American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees

Other?

 

[Ilov80s]

This is exact same insanity is going to happen in Michigan this summer. Many districts took big cuts last year, but that was nothing compared to what is coming. 150 districts are expected to go bankrupt. It is going to be very ugly.

 

[Johnnymac]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

 

[snogger]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

It's thinking like this that got us into the mess we are in now.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Any bets on which public service union does cr8f belong too?The Wisconsin Education Association CouncilService Employees International UnionAmerican Federation of State, County and Municipal EmployeesOther?

The Cut and Paste Mental Midget Club

 

[The Kerminator]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

But are they "good" kids?

 

[sho nuff]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

But are they "good" kids?

 

[Jobber]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

But are they "good" kids?

He's on record in another thread as belonging to a public union in Iowa. He's just in here trolling with his pro-union pap.

 

[Jewell]

Not Wisconsin, but this is how Florida will now be handling teacher pay...

Orlando Sentinel, by Leslie Postal; March 26, 2011; LINK

Jacksonville, Fla.— Florida Gov. Rick Scott has signed a far-reaching teacher merit-pay bill that will overhaul how teachers across the state will be evaluated and paid.

The law creates an evaluation system that relies heavily on student test score data to judge teacher quality. For new teachers, it also creates a performance-based pay system and ends tenure-like job protections.

Florida's merit-pay push is part of a national effort to improve education by tying teachers' pay to their overall effectiveness.

"We are absolutely changing this country," Scott said during the signing ceremony Thursday at a charter school in Jacksonville that aims to boost academic performance among low-income students. He was flanked by students as he put his name on the controversial measure.

Advocates say the law will help Florida schools identify top teachers, reward them financially and assign them to work with their neediest students.

But many teachers along with their statewide union, the Florida Education Assn., are opposed. They say the law will be expensive, will rely on an unproven system and won't fairly evaluate teacher performance. The union has threatened to sue, arguing the plan tramples on teachers' rights to collective bargaining on salaries and work conditions, among other issues.

It was quickly praised as "breakthrough legislation" and a "model of bold reform" by the foundations run by education reformer Michelle Rhee and former Gov. Jeb Bush, respectively.

But the American Federation of Teachers, a national teachers union, said it "took a wrecking ball to the dreams" of Florida's public school students.

The merit-pay bill was pushed by state education leaders and Florida's Republican leadership.

An interesting different take on the same story: http://www.pslweb.org/liberationnews/news/florida-teacher-merit-pay.html

 

[cr8f]

The judge reiterated her injunction but have heard Walker's boys are still trying to implement the "law".

Saw a report saying after cutting $900 million out of educationthe new budget spends more.

This bill they said was non-fiscal so they didn't need a quorum yet last week starting deducting more for pensions and healthcare-do they know fiscal means money?

FitzWalkerStan-stop wasting time and taxpayer money and just pass a new bill.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Not Wisconsin, but this is how Florida will now be handling teacher pay...

Orlando Sentinel, by Leslie Postal; March 26, 2011; LINK

Jacksonville, Fla.— Florida Gov. Rick Scott has signed a far-reaching teacher merit-pay bill that will overhaul how teachers across the state will be evaluated and paid.

The law creates an evaluation system that relies heavily on student test score data to judge teacher quality. For new teachers, it also creates a performance-based pay system and ends tenure-like job protections.

Florida's merit-pay push is part of a national effort to improve education by tying teachers' pay to their overall effectiveness.

"We are absolutely changing this country," Scott said during the signing ceremony Thursday at a charter school in Jacksonville that aims to boost academic performance among low-income students. He was flanked by students as he put his name on the controversial measure.

Advocates say the law will help Florida schools identify top teachers, reward them financially and assign them to work with their neediest students.

But many teachers along with their statewide union, the Florida Education Assn., are opposed. They say the law will be expensive, will rely on an unproven system and won't fairly evaluate teacher performance. The union has threatened to sue, arguing the plan tramples on teachers' rights to collective bargaining on salaries and work conditions, among other issues.

It was quickly praised as "breakthrough legislation" and a "model of bold reform" by the foundations run by education reformer Michelle Rhee and former Gov. Jeb Bush, respectively.

But the American Federation of Teachers, a national teachers union, said it "took a wrecking ball to the dreams" of Florida's public school students.

The merit-pay bill was pushed by state education leaders and Florida's Republican leadership.

An interesting different take on the same story: http://www.pslweb.org/liberationnews/news/florida-teacher-merit-pay.html

I'm all for paying teachers based on performance...but I'm not convinced test scores are the way to measure things. I know we need SOMETHING to measure, just not sure this is the way. I haven't really done a great deal of homework on this matter.

 

[Mr.Pack]

cr8f

What is your deal? Where do you stand? What profession are you in?

Quit stalling, let the law take effect and allow the districts to have more of a say in where their money goes. I am a teacher who has not been able to get a job in part due to what the Union has set in place. They want to lay teachers off instead of making some concessions. Down with the union. Now, go spend some time doing whatever it is you do.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

The judge reiterated her injunction but have heard Walker's boys are still trying to implement the "law".

Saw a report saying after cutting $900 million out of educationthe new budget spends more.

This bill they said was non-fiscal so they didn't need a quorum yet last week starting deducting more for pensions and healthcare-do they know fiscal means money?

FitzWalkerStan-stop wasting time and taxpayer money and just pass a new bill.

Of course you missed this from the article...

"That would still be the tightest lid on spending of state and federal money in at least two decades, observers said."

 

[Ookie Pringle]

The judge reiterated her injunction but have heard Walker's boys are still trying to implement the "law".

Saw a report saying after cutting $900 million out of educationthe new budget spends more.

This bill they said was non-fiscal so they didn't need a quorum yet last week starting deducting more for pensions and healthcare-do they know fiscal means money?

FitzWalkerStan-stop wasting time and taxpayer money and just pass a new bill.

Of course you missed this from the article...

"That would still be the tightest lid on spending of state and federal money in at least two decades, observers said."

And of course this information you likely don't know or ignored...

"There is applicable Supreme Court precedent that a court has no authority to enjoin the publication of a law," he said. "The state has repeatedly cited that law to her and as far as I know she has not only failed to explain herself about why she feels she has the authority, she hasn't even acknowledged there is an issue. That just leaves me speechless."

Esenberg was referring to a 1943 state Supreme Court opinion that said courts could not interfere with legislation until it is published and becomes law.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/118839999.html

 

[snogger]

The judge reiterated her injunction but have heard Walker's boys are still trying to implement the "law".

Saw a report saying after cutting $900 million out of educationthe new budget spends more.

This bill they said was non-fiscal so they didn't need a quorum yet last week starting deducting more for pensions and healthcare-do they know fiscal means money?

FitzWalkerStan-stop wasting time and taxpayer money and just pass a new bill.

Of course you missed this from the article...

"That would still be the tightest lid on spending of state and federal money in at least two decades, observers said."

And of course this information you likely don't know or ignored...

"There is applicable Supreme Court precedent that a court has no authority to enjoin the publication of a law," he said. "The state has repeatedly cited that law to her and as far as I know she has not only failed to explain herself about why she feels she has the authority, she hasn't even acknowledged there is an issue. That just leaves me speechless."

Esenberg was referring to a 1943 state Supreme Court opinion that said courts could not interfere with legislation until it is published and becomes law.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/118839999.html

By now I'd think you'd all know that facts don't get in the way of cr8f Posts.. It's what he believes that matters, not the facts.

 

[Johnnymac]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

But are they "good" kids?

He's on record in another thread as belonging to a public union in Iowa. He's just in here trolling with his pro-union pap.

Read much?? I am not in a union. I work for the state but am not covered by a union. I bet you didnt even know people like that existed.

 

[Johnnymac]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

It's thinking like this that got us into the mess we are in now.

How so??

 

[Ookie Pringle]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

But are they "good" kids?

He's on record in another thread as belonging to a public union in Iowa. He's just in here trolling with his pro-union pap.

Read much?? I am not in a union. I work for the state but am not covered by a union. I bet you didnt even know people like that existed.

But is it a "good" job?

 

[Johnnymac]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

Owned?? When was I owned. My point was that he can say he will create jobs. If the jobs dont pay ####, they arent really worth it, are they?

 

[Ookie Pringle]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

Owned?? When was I owned. My point was that he can say he will create jobs. If the jobs dont pay ####, they arent really worth it, are they?

You really are dense.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

Owned?? When was I owned. My point was that he can say he will create jobs. If the jobs dont pay ####, they arent really worth it, are they?

I see this needs explained to you again. First you asked if any jobs were created and you were then you proceed to ask if they were "good jobs".1. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would recognize the companies that have said they are adding jobs that those jobs would be "good" jobs. I suggest you do some reading on those companies if you think you can handle that.2. Even if a job pays minimum wage it is better than a person sitting at home collecting unemployment. 3. The more people working is better for the economy.You really should stop this because you look like a fool everytime you whine..."is it a good job?"

 

[sho nuff]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

But are they "good" kids?

He's on record in another thread as belonging to a public union in Iowa. He's just in here trolling with his pro-union pap.

Read much?? I am not in a union. I work for the state but am not covered by a union. I bet you didnt even know people like that existed.

Thats how it is here too...but thats kind of the point of all of this. Why is it so needed in Wisconsin when other states' workers and federal employees get along just fine without union representation?

 

[snogger]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

It's thinking like this that got us into the mess we are in now.

How so??

As previously linkedA Couple quick Quotes:

But salaries are only a part of the picture. Consider that in the 16 years prior to Hortonville, average state per-pupil spending increased 6.7% per year. Post-strike, it jumped to 9.6% per year in the 16 years following the Hortonville clash.

Graphically representation: Per pupil spending vs. Inflation

Also in 1973, Milwaukee teachers negotiated a benefit that paid their health care premiums when they retired — in 2016, this benefit will be worth $4.9 billion, or more than four times the size of the Milwaukee district’s current budget.

Teachers represented by WEAC often demanded that their health premiums be provided by WEA Trust — their own health insurer — at a cost often greater than insurance on the private market.

Today, K-12 education funding dwarfs the next-highest state spending program by a measure of 4-to-1. In 2011, Wisconsin spent $5.3 billion on public school aids, compared to $1.3 billion on Medical Assistance.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

Walker's boys

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

This is an abosolute joke. This school district is facing a $600,000 shortfall. And that's AFTER Walker's bill passes. Where does the union think this money is going to come from? Waste of resources if you ask me.....

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/education/local_schools/article_d169fd40-5996-11e0-9c87-001cc4c03286.html

Teachers' union sues Middleton-Cross Plains school district

The union representing teachers in the Middleton-Cross Plains School District sued the district Monday over their collective bargaining negotiations.

According to the complaint filed in Dane County Circuit Court, the union said the district "bargained in bad faith" and proposed non-negotiable contract changes including removal of just cause for discipline and discharge, total district discretion of work hours, elimination of seniority protections, elimination of fair share union dues, modifications/freezes on salary schedules and elimination of compensatory time off.

The district also proposed, according to the complaint, that the School Board be the final step in the grievance procedure as opposed to having a third-party arbitrator as the current agreement states.

Other districts across the state negotiated contract extensions with wage and benefit concessions before Gov. Scott Walker's proposal to dismantle collective bargaining took effect.

In Middleton, union and district representatives negotiated for three days starting March 16, but did not reach an agreement before the district went on spring break starting March 21.

"They have completely overhauled the current contract negotiated over decades," said Willie Haus, lawyer for the Middleton Education Association.

Erin Celello, spokeswoman for the district, said superintendent Don Johnson declined to comment on the complaint as of Monday afternoon.

The union requests the court declare the union has been denied their rights under state statute and that the district has engaged in unfair labor practices.

The union also requests that good-faith collective bargaining begin and the district extend the provision of the union's most recent contract until the current collective bargaining dispute is resolved.

The school district has 45 days to respond to the complaint.

Copyright 2011 madison.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

 

[cr8f]

The judge must recuse herself because she shops at leftist organic shops in Dane County

Republican Party of Dane County Apologizes To Judge Sumi

The Republican Party of Dane County sent out a press release on March 29th criticizing Judge Maryann Sumi for holding up the publication of Governor Scott Walker’s collective bargaining reform bill. Upon further reflection we’d like to apologize for not understanding her point of view.

Sure, Governor Walker’s bill is unquestionably constitutional, increases worker’s rights and helps local government balance budgets without having to fire public workers. The Wisconsin state legislature consulted with their non-partisan parliamentarian to make sure that the passage of the bill followed the rules of the Senate and Assembly. But this isn’t about the law, is it?

The Republican Party of Dane County recognizes that Judge Sumi is a leftist living in Dane County. Her friends are leftists living in Dane County. Her son is a left wing activist in Dane County. She goes to cocktail parties held by leftists in Dane County. She shops at organic gourmet food shops run by leftists living in Dane County. If she were to enforce the law of Wisconsin and do what was in the best interest of the people of Wisconsin, she’d be exiled from her lifestyle. She’d lose her friends!

The leadership of the Republican Party of Dane County have all made the choice to stand against the Dane County elite. We accept that Left feels righteous vandalizing our homes and keying our cars. It's only fair. We disagree based upon logic and principle. That is intolerable! We prioritize the Constitution and the well being of the people of Wisconsin over foie gras at cocktail parties. That’s the choice we made. We respect Judge Sumi’s decision to live her life with the rich diversity that liberals cherish.

 

[ElGatoLoco]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

Owned?? When was I owned. My point was that he can say he will create jobs. If the jobs dont pay ####, they arent really worth it, are they?

I see this needs explained to you again. First you asked if any jobs were created and you were then you proceed to ask if they were "good jobs".1. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would recognize the companies that have said they are adding jobs that those jobs would be "good" jobs. I suggest you do some reading on those companies if you think you can handle that.2. Even if a job pays minimum wage it is better than a person sitting at home collecting unemployment. 3. The more people working is better for the economy.You really should stop this because you look like a fool everytime you whine..."is it a good job?"

I didn't read any of the original discussion in which you claimed to have owned him, but why is it a poor question? Particularly if you consider your argument about a minimum wage job.If you work 40 hours a week for 52 weeks you make about $15k gross -- that is no holidays or vacations. Fifteen thousand dollars is just above the poverty line for a family of two, and it is about $3k below the poverty line for a family of three. I can think of a lot of circumstances where a minimum wage job, which is below a living wage, might not be considered a good job for a family or even an individual. Does your common sense do math?

 

[timschochet]

The judge must recuse herself because she shops at leftist organic shops in Dane County

The Republican Party of Dane County recognizes that Judge Sumi is a leftist living in Dane County. Her friends are leftists living in Dane County. Her son is a left wing activist in Dane County. She goes to cocktail parties held by leftists in Dane County. She shops at organic gourmet food shops run by leftists living in Dane County. If she were to enforce the law of Wisconsin and do what was in the best interest of the people of Wisconsin, she'd be exiled from her lifestyle. She'd lose her friends!

The leadership of the Republican Party of Dane County have all made the choice to stand against the Dane County elite. We accept that Left feels righteous vandalizing our homes and keying our cars. It's only fair. We disagree based upon logic and principle. That is intolerable! We prioritize the Constitution and the well being of the people of Wisconsin over foie gras at cocktail parties. That's the choice we made. We respect Judge Sumi's decision to live her life with the rich diversity that liberals cherish.

Is this really the official Republican party who wrote this? That's embarrassing. It's one thing for right wing ideologues to be saying this sort of thing, it's quite another for the actual party leadership, even at a county level, to use this sort of rhetoric. They really should be above this on both sides. Pretty sad.

 

[Johnnymac]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

Owned?? When was I owned. My point was that he can say he will create jobs. If the jobs dont pay ####, they arent really worth it, are they?

I see this needs explained to you again. First you asked if any jobs were created and you were then you proceed to ask if they were "good jobs".1. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would recognize the companies that have said they are adding jobs that those jobs would be "good" jobs. I suggest you do some reading on those companies if you think you can handle that.2. Even if a job pays minimum wage it is better than a person sitting at home collecting unemployment. 3. The more people working is better for the economy.You really should stop this because you look like a fool everytime you whine..."is it a good job?"

So you are fine with a governor who says he will create so many jobs, even if said jobs only pay minimum wage?? Look, creating jobs is one thing but if you create 250,000 telemarketing jobs at minimum wage, I would say that's a big fail. Im not saying that is what your gov. is doing but it has been done before.If a job pays minimum wage it is "not" better then sitting home collecting unemployment. And you are calling me dense???

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

Owned?? When was I owned. My point was that he can say he will create jobs. If the jobs dont pay ####, they arent really worth it, are they?

I see this needs explained to you again. First you asked if any jobs were created and you were then you proceed to ask if they were "good jobs".1. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would recognize the companies that have said they are adding jobs that those jobs would be "good" jobs. I suggest you do some reading on those companies if you think you can handle that.

2. Even if a job pays minimum wage it is better than a person sitting at home collecting unemployment.

3. The more people working is better for the economy.

You really should stop this because you look like a fool everytime you whine...

"is it a good job?"

So you are fine with a governor who says he will create so many jobs, even if said jobs only pay minimum wage?? Look, creating jobs is one thing but if you create 250,000 telemarketing jobs at minimum wage, I would say that's a big fail. Im not saying that is what your gov. is doing but it has been done before.If a job pays minimum wage it is "not" better then sitting home collecting unemployment. And you are calling me dense???

I am confused and intrigued by your quotation shtick. Please tell me "more".

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

Owned?? When was I owned. My point was that he can say he will create jobs. If the jobs dont pay ####, they arent really worth it, are they?

I see this needs explained to you again. First you asked if any jobs were created and you were then you proceed to ask if they were "good jobs".1. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would recognize the companies that have said they are adding jobs that those jobs would be "good" jobs. I suggest you do some reading on those companies if you think you can handle that.2. Even if a job pays minimum wage it is better than a person sitting at home collecting unemployment. 3. The more people working is better for the economy.You really should stop this because you look like a fool everytime you whine..."is it a good job?"

So you are fine with a governor who says he will create so many jobs, even if said jobs only pay minimum wage?? Look, creating jobs is one thing but if you create 250,000 telemarketing jobs at minimum wage, I would say that's a big fail. Im not saying that is what your gov. is doing but it has been done before.If a job pays minimum wage it is "not" better then sitting home collecting unemployment. And you are calling me dense???

Look Mr. Dense...once again you need to stop. Walker never said anything about creating minimum wage jobs. In addition the jobs that are coming to Wisconsin aren't minimum wage jobs including some very nice paying jobs. Catalyst Exhibits has an average wage of $34.50 an hour. The wages for the new jobs at Stoughton Trailers will be well above minimum wage too.You asked if the jobs that were being created were "good jobs". And yes, I admire someone that would rather go find a minimum wage job than sit on his rear end at home collecting unemployment.

 

[Eric Stratton]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

Owned?? When was I owned. My point was that he can say he will create jobs. If the jobs dont pay ####, they arent really worth it, are they?

I see this needs explained to you again. First you asked if any jobs were created and you were then you proceed to ask if they were "good jobs".1. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would recognize the companies that have said they are adding jobs that those jobs would be "good" jobs. I suggest you do some reading on those companies if you think you can handle that.2. Even if a job pays minimum wage it is better than a person sitting at home collecting unemployment. 3. The more people working is better for the economy.You really should stop this because you look like a fool everytime you whine..."is it a good job?"

So you are fine with a governor who says he will create so many jobs, even if said jobs only pay minimum wage?? Look, creating jobs is one thing but if you create 250,000 telemarketing jobs at minimum wage, I would say that's a big fail. Im not saying that is what your gov. is doing but it has been done before.If a job pays minimum wage it is "not" better then sitting home collecting unemployment. And you are calling me dense???

The entertainment value of a guy making a fool of himself is awesome. 1. You asked if Walker had done anything to creat jobs and you were shown that he had.2. From there you proceed to show you don't have much upstairs by asking if they were "good jobs".3. Now you have nothing left and still won't stop.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

Owned?? When was I owned. My point was that he can say he will create jobs. If the jobs dont pay ####, they arent really worth it, are they?

I see this needs explained to you again. First you asked if any jobs were created and you were then you proceed to ask if they were "good jobs".1. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would recognize the companies that have said they are adding jobs that those jobs would be "good" jobs. I suggest you do some reading on those companies if you think you can handle that.2. Even if a job pays minimum wage it is better than a person sitting at home collecting unemployment. 3. The more people working is better for the economy.You really should stop this because you look like a fool everytime you whine..."is it a good job?"

I didn't read any of the original discussion in which you claimed to have owned him, but why is it a poor question? Particularly if you consider your argument about a minimum wage job.If you work 40 hours a week for 52 weeks you make about $15k gross -- that is no holidays or vacations. Fifteen thousand dollars is just above the poverty line for a family of two, and it is about $3k below the poverty line for a family of three. I can think of a lot of circumstances where a minimum wage job, which is below a living wage, might not be considered a good job for a family or even an individual. Does your common sense do math?

If you had followed the discussion when examples were given of companies expanding in Wisconsin it was obvious to anyone with half a brain cell that the jobs were more than minimum wage jobs and "GOOD JOBS"!

 

[Johnnymac]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

Owned?? When was I owned. My point was that he can say he will create jobs. If the jobs dont pay ####, they arent really worth it, are they?

I see this needs explained to you again. First you asked if any jobs were created and you were then you proceed to ask if they were "good jobs".1. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would recognize the companies that have said they are adding jobs that those jobs would be "good" jobs. I suggest you do some reading on those companies if you think you can handle that.2. Even if a job pays minimum wage it is better than a person sitting at home collecting unemployment. 3. The more people working is better for the economy.You really should stop this because you look like a fool everytime you whine..."is it a good job?"

So you are fine with a governor who says he will create so many jobs, even if said jobs only pay minimum wage?? Look, creating jobs is one thing but if you create 250,000 telemarketing jobs at minimum wage, I would say that's a big fail. Im not saying that is what your gov. is doing but it has been done before.If a job pays minimum wage it is "not" better then sitting home collecting unemployment. And you are calling me dense???

Look Mr. Dense...once again you need to stop. Walker never said anything about creating minimum wage jobs. In addition the jobs that are coming to Wisconsin aren't minimum wage jobs including some very nice paying jobs. Catalyst Exhibits has an average wage of $34.50 an hour. The wages for the new jobs at Stoughton Trailers will be well above minimum wage too.You asked if the jobs that were being created were "good jobs". And yes, I admire someone that would rather go find a minimum wage job than sit on his rear end at home collecting unemployment.

Why dont you include what its going to cost the state of Wisc. to bring those jobs for Catalyst?? Corporate welfare at its finest. You can admire them all you want. That doesnt pay the bills. Hell, a sitter would cost damn near as much as the poor person would be making. Are you dumb??

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

Owned?? When was I owned. My point was that he can say he will create jobs. If the jobs dont pay ####, they arent really worth it, are they?

I see this needs explained to you again. First you asked if any jobs were created and you were then you proceed to ask if they were "good jobs".1. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would recognize the companies that have said they are adding jobs that those jobs would be "good" jobs. I suggest you do some reading on those companies if you think you can handle that.2. Even if a job pays minimum wage it is better than a person sitting at home collecting unemployment. 3. The more people working is better for the economy.You really should stop this because you look like a fool everytime you whine..."is it a good job?"

So you are fine with a governor who says he will create so many jobs, even if said jobs only pay minimum wage?? Look, creating jobs is one thing but if you create 250,000 telemarketing jobs at minimum wage, I would say that's a big fail. Im not saying that is what your gov. is doing but it has been done before.If a job pays minimum wage it is "not" better then sitting home collecting unemployment. And you are calling me dense???

Look Mr. Dense...once again you need to stop. Walker never said anything about creating minimum wage jobs. In addition the jobs that are coming to Wisconsin aren't minimum wage jobs including some very nice paying jobs. Catalyst Exhibits has an average wage of $34.50 an hour. The wages for the new jobs at Stoughton Trailers will be well above minimum wage too.You asked if the jobs that were being created were "good jobs". And yes, I admire someone that would rather go find a minimum wage job than sit on his rear end at home collecting unemployment.

Why dont you include what its going to cost the state of Wisc. to bring those jobs for Catalyst?? Corporate welfare at its finest. You can admire them all you want. That doesnt pay the bills. Hell, a sitter would cost damn near as much as the poor person would be making. Are you dumb??

The gift that keeps on giving

 

[Johnnymac]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

Owned?? When was I owned. My point was that he can say he will create jobs. If the jobs dont pay ####, they arent really worth it, are they?

I see this needs explained to you again. First you asked if any jobs were created and you were then you proceed to ask if they were "good jobs".1. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would recognize the companies that have said they are adding jobs that those jobs would be "good" jobs. I suggest you do some reading on those companies if you think you can handle that.2. Even if a job pays minimum wage it is better than a person sitting at home collecting unemployment. 3. The more people working is better for the economy.You really should stop this because you look like a fool everytime you whine..."is it a good job?"

So you are fine with a governor who says he will create so many jobs, even if said jobs only pay minimum wage?? Look, creating jobs is one thing but if you create 250,000 telemarketing jobs at minimum wage, I would say that's a big fail. Im not saying that is what your gov. is doing but it has been done before.If a job pays minimum wage it is "not" better then sitting home collecting unemployment. And you are calling me dense???

The entertainment value of a guy making a fool of himself is awesome. 1. You asked if Walker had done anything to creat jobs and you were shown that he had.2. From there you proceed to show you don't have much upstairs by asking if they were "good jobs".3. Now you have nothing left and still won't stop.

105 jobs for catalyst and the company doesnt have to pay any taxes for 2 years and a 500,000 grant. Hmm...sounds like a real good deal for Wisc.2. he is supposed to create 250,000 new jobs in his first term. You really believe that all of these jobs are going to be "good" jobs?You guys saying im stupid just makes me feel that much smarter, because if I thought the way you guys do.....well, i wont say it.

 

[Johnnymac]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

Owned?? When was I owned. My point was that he can say he will create jobs. If the jobs dont pay ####, they arent really worth it, are they?

I see this needs explained to you again. First you asked if any jobs were created and you were then you proceed to ask if they were "good jobs".1. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would recognize the companies that have said they are adding jobs that those jobs would be "good" jobs. I suggest you do some reading on those companies if you think you can handle that.2. Even if a job pays minimum wage it is better than a person sitting at home collecting unemployment. 3. The more people working is better for the economy.You really should stop this because you look like a fool everytime you whine..."is it a good job?"

So you are fine with a governor who says he will create so many jobs, even if said jobs only pay minimum wage?? Look, creating jobs is one thing but if you create 250,000 telemarketing jobs at minimum wage, I would say that's a big fail. Im not saying that is what your gov. is doing but it has been done before.If a job pays minimum wage it is "not" better then sitting home collecting unemployment. And you are calling me dense???

Look Mr. Dense...once again you need to stop. Walker never said anything about creating minimum wage jobs. In addition the jobs that are coming to Wisconsin aren't minimum wage jobs including some very nice paying jobs. Catalyst Exhibits has an average wage of $34.50 an hour. The wages for the new jobs at Stoughton Trailers will be well above minimum wage too.You asked if the jobs that were being created were "good jobs". And yes, I admire someone that would rather go find a minimum wage job than sit on his rear end at home collecting unemployment.

Why dont you include what its going to cost the state of Wisc. to bring those jobs for Catalyst?? Corporate welfare at its finest. You can admire them all you want. That doesnt pay the bills. Hell, a sitter would cost damn near as much as the poor person would be making. Are you dumb??

The gift that keeps on giving

Pretty much the response I expected.

 

[sho nuff]

105 jobs for catalyst and the company doesnt have to pay any taxes for 2 years and a 500,000 grant. Hmm...sounds like a real good deal for Wisc.2. he is supposed to create 250,000 new jobs in his first term. You really believe that all of these jobs are going to be "good" jobs?You guys saying im stupid just makes me feel that much smarter, because if I thought the way you guys do.....well, i wont say it.

So, how much of a tax credit is that for the 105 jobs.105 jobs at 500,000 is less than 5k per job created. That is a great freaking deal for the state actually.

 

[snogger]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

It's thinking like this that got us into the mess we are in now.

How so??

As previously linkedA Couple quick Quotes:

But salaries are only a part of the picture. Consider that in the 16 years prior to Hortonville, average state per-pupil spending increased 6.7% per year. Post-strike, it jumped to 9.6% per year in the 16 years following the Hortonville clash.

Graphically representation: Per pupil spending vs. Inflation

Also in 1973, Milwaukee teachers negotiated a benefit that paid their health care premiums when they retired — in 2016, this benefit will be worth $4.9 billion, or more than four times the size of the Milwaukee district’s current budget.

Teachers represented by WEAC often demanded that their health premiums be provided by WEA Trust — their own health insurer — at a cost often greater than insurance on the private market.

Today, K-12 education funding dwarfs the next-highest state spending program by a measure of 4-to-1. In 2011, Wisconsin spent $5.3 billion on public school aids, compared to $1.3 billion on Medical Assistance.

Maybe he missed this in all his back stepping...Waiting...

 

[Johnnymac]

105 jobs for catalyst and the company doesnt have to pay any taxes for 2 years and a 500,000 grant. Hmm...sounds like a real good deal for Wisc.2. he is supposed to create 250,000 new jobs in his first term. You really believe that all of these jobs are going to be "good" jobs?You guys saying im stupid just makes me feel that much smarter, because if I thought the way you guys do.....well, i wont say it.

So, how much of a tax credit is that for the 105 jobs.105 jobs at 500,000 is less than 5k per job created. That is a great freaking deal for the state actually.

You forgot the little part of no taxes for 2 years. But the state is so broke, I know...

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

Owned?? When was I owned. My point was that he can say he will create jobs. If the jobs dont pay ####, they arent really worth it, are they?

I see this needs explained to you again. First you asked if any jobs were created and you were then you proceed to ask if they were "good jobs".1. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would recognize the companies that have said they are adding jobs that those jobs would be "good" jobs. I suggest you do some reading on those companies if you think you can handle that.2. Even if a job pays minimum wage it is better than a person sitting at home collecting unemployment. 3. The more people working is better for the economy.You really should stop this because you look like a fool everytime you whine..."is it a good job?"

So you are fine with a governor who says he will create so many jobs, even if said jobs only pay minimum wage?? Look, creating jobs is one thing but if you create 250,000 telemarketing jobs at minimum wage, I would say that's a big fail. Im not saying that is what your gov. is doing but it has been done before.If a job pays minimum wage it is "not" better then sitting home collecting unemployment. And you are calling me dense???

The entertainment value of a guy making a fool of himself is awesome. 1. You asked if Walker had done anything to creat jobs and you were shown that he had.2. From there you proceed to show you don't have much upstairs by asking if they were "good jobs".3. Now you have nothing left and still won't stop.

105 jobs for catalyst and the company doesnt have to pay any taxes for 2 years and a 500,000 grant. Hmm...sounds like a real good deal for Wisc.2. he is supposed to create 250,000 new jobs in his first term. You really believe that all of these jobs are going to be "good" jobs?You guys saying im stupid just makes me feel that much smarter, because if I thought the way you guys do.....well, i wont say it.

You can't get one fact straight. It's not a grant. It's a loan. Did you also know the Kenosha Area Business Alliance is providing a $1.25 million low-interest loan as well because they see the importance of bringing those jobs to Wisconsin and their area.Keep it up!

 

[Johnnymac]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

It's thinking like this that got us into the mess we are in now.

How so??

As previously linkedA Couple quick Quotes:

But salaries are only a part of the picture. Consider that in the 16 years prior to Hortonville, average state per-pupil spending increased 6.7% per year. Post-strike, it jumped to 9.6% per year in the 16 years following the Hortonville clash.

Graphically representation: Per pupil spending vs. Inflation

Also in 1973, Milwaukee teachers negotiated a benefit that paid their health care premiums when they retired — in 2016, this benefit will be worth $4.9 billion, or more than four times the size of the Milwaukee district’s current budget.

Teachers represented by WEAC often demanded that their health premiums be provided by WEA Trust — their own health insurer — at a cost often greater than insurance on the private market.

Today, K-12 education funding dwarfs the next-highest state spending program by a measure of 4-to-1. In 2011, Wisconsin spent $5.3 billion on public school aids, compared to $1.3 billion on Medical Assistance.

Maybe he missed this in all his back stepping...Waiting...

Yes, I'm sure you will have excellent school systems and the best teachers in the whole USA after Walker is done...

 

[BeaverCleaver]

105 jobs for catalyst and the company doesnt have to pay any taxes for 2 years and a 500,000 grant. Hmm...sounds like a real good deal for Wisc.2. he is supposed to create 250,000 new jobs in his first term. You really believe that all of these jobs are going to be "good" jobs?You guys saying im stupid just makes me feel that much smarter, because if I thought the way you guys do.....well, i wont say it.

So, how much of a tax credit is that for the 105 jobs.105 jobs at 500,000 is less than 5k per job created. That is a great freaking deal for the state actually.

You forgot the little part of no taxes for 2 years. But the state is so broke, I know...

You forgot the part that there will be taxes after 2 years. You seem somewhat challenged so here is some help. 2 years of no taxes is much much less than the taxes that will be paid when the 2 year period expires. Now, can you say this word slowly...."investment". Look it up in the dictionary.

 

[Phase of the Game]

WTF is wrong with Johnnymac?

 

[sho nuff]

105 jobs for catalyst and the company doesnt have to pay any taxes for 2 years and a 500,000 grant. Hmm...sounds like a real good deal for Wisc.2. he is supposed to create 250,000 new jobs in his first term. You really believe that all of these jobs are going to be "good" jobs?You guys saying im stupid just makes me feel that much smarter, because if I thought the way you guys do.....well, i wont say it.

So, how much of a tax credit is that for the 105 jobs.105 jobs at 500,000 is less than 5k per job created. That is a great freaking deal for the state actually.

You forgot the little part of no taxes for 2 years. But the state is so broke, I know...

Sorry, I didn't put the question mark in the first line.My question is how much of a credit is that for the 2 years for those 105 jobs.And the line of thinking is that in the end, the state will make up that 2 years of taxes by the amounts it will bring in over the long haul with this business. Far better than a state will do in losing such businesses by not offering a tax break.

 

[Phase of the Game]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

I'm suprised you actually showed up again in this thread after getting completely with your "good job" crap.

But are they "good" kids?

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I'm glad my kids wont be going to school in Wisconsin 5 years from now.

It's thinking like this that got us into the mess we are in now.

How so??

As previously linkedA Couple quick Quotes:

But salaries are only a part of the picture. Consider that in the 16 years prior to Hortonville, average state per-pupil spending increased 6.7% per year. Post-strike, it jumped to 9.6% per year in the 16 years following the Hortonville clash.

Graphically representation: Per pupil spending vs. Inflation

Also in 1973, Milwaukee teachers negotiated a benefit that paid their health care premiums when they retired — in 2016, this benefit will be worth $4.9 billion, or more than four times the size of the Milwaukee district’s current budget.

Teachers represented by WEAC often demanded that their health premiums be provided by WEA Trust — their own health insurer — at a cost often greater than insurance on the private market.

Today, K-12 education funding dwarfs the next-highest state spending program by a measure of 4-to-1. In 2011, Wisconsin spent $5.3 billion on public school aids, compared to $1.3 billion on Medical Assistance.

Maybe he missed this in all his back stepping...Waiting...

Yes, I'm sure you will have excellent school systems and the best teachers in the whole USA after Walker is done...

This is why nobody is taking you seriously. Wisconsin does not have the best teachers now. They won't have the best teachers after. But this was never about that. This is a crappy strawman.