Scott Walker WI governor vs the Packers & teachers (1 Viewer)

[larry_boy_44]

bear - it's not a right.

Yeah, it is or at least was.

By what measure is/was it a right?

That is not the question I ask myself. My question is by what measure are Americans denied the right to organize themselves for their betterment. They don't need your permission.

The term "right" has significance. We, as Americans, have the right to free speech, right to bear arms, etc. I don't believe I've seen the "right to unionize" anywhere in our government papers.Federal public workers don't have this "right." Nor do public workers from 26 other states. If it were truly a right, would this be the case? I can see the value of private unions, as they must be willing to negotiate reasonably with their employers, because both sides success or failure is tied together. Public unions, on the other hand, do not. Their employer, the taxpayer, is not represented at the negotiating table. Public unions are more of a PAC than a workers rights group. One further point, Public unions in WI are not being outlawed. Their ability to hold taxpayers hostage with their demands has been removed. They have employment protections already in place through other WI laws. There is very little reason for the existence of public unions other than to continue to extract more and more money from the taxpayers.

I don't have any doubt that the pendulum swings too far one way or the other over time. It is possible that the pendulum swung too far in the direction of the teachers over time. Whether this is true or not is open to debate but what is not open to debate is that people have the right to organize themselves. Also, LOL at the extracting money from the taxpayers. You really believe the money that you think goes to "overpaying" teachers is greater than the waste that goes on in a variety of other gov't programs?

yes and corporation/employers have the right to ignore those organizations... The state of Wisconsin will no longer negotiate on certain aspects of compensation with public unions...and I think there is lots of waste, the waste we are dealing with right now is the waste paid to teachers in "hidden" wages... After we deal with that we can deal with other things... Just because other things suck doesn't mean we shouldn't fix other things that suck...

Larry, please explain to me what waste we are now paying to teachers in "hidden" wages. You sound like you know what you are you are talking about so this should be easy.

how about the fact that, unlike most employees (who are between about 20 and 40%), teachers are paid almost 100% more than their base salary in various benefits...This bill brings that more in line with the private sector (and other public sector employees, like, you know, federal employees)...The biggest problem with the way that this is done is that people think teachers only get like 40-60 K and that's it, which doesn't sound like a lot... But when you include their pensions and insurance benefits and other benefits, it ends up being a system that is unsustainable...beyond that, because they base their hiring/firing on tenure, districts regularly have to fire the best new teachers in favor of "veteran" teachers who no longer are trying. Last year Milwaukee gave a teacher essentially a "rookie of the year" award and then promptly fired her because she was new and they had to make cuts. Can you think of ANY other business/company/etc. that would fire a "rookie of the year"? I can't.

 

[bakes]

Meanwhile, Walker gives a $500M tax cut to City Brewery in Lacrosse, whose owner happened to support Walker in the election. Expected to create jobs... uh huh. Have you ever TRIED their beer?

Thought the state was broke. Anyone who thinks this is about fiscal responsibility is a fool.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Just heard a temporary restraining order against the republican move was ordered.

LINK

BREAKING: Wisconsin judge grants restraining order blocking enactment of Walker's anti-union bill!

What next? I'm not a lawyer but would think they could try and pass the original bill blocked by the democrats but need to have 24 hours notice.

So does that mean a road trip to Illinois again for the Dems so they can hide?

No it means that the only thing that matters in this world is what the Democrats want.####### pathetic.

Why do they hold elections again?

What an absolute joke.

Whoa.. Have a Drink there pack and relax It's just a Tempory injunction, the vote wasn't thrown out..

Besides, it was a 99% chance this would happen.. It was held in Dane COunty after all..

I know, but it's bull####.Run away like little babies, scream kick your feet and pound your fists, and get your way.

Pathetic.

The most pathetic thing about this whole situation is the cowardice of Walker and the other pubs. If you want to strip people of their rights have the balls to run on that issue. The fact that the protests against Walker have been the largest in WI history should make it clear that it is a massive issue to a whole lot of folks. Yet the pubs didn't have the nads to run on the issue. The ones eligible for recall should be recalled and hopefully will be.

1. they aren't "rights", lawmakers can't just pass a bill to take away anything that is considered a "right"... they can't take away our "right" to vote... you should read the "bill of rights" and see what it talks about, I really don't think public unions come close to being as important as most of the stuff in there...

2. NO ONE could ever get into office if they ran on HOW they were going to balance the budget. If someone ran on a promise that they would raise taxes and lower spending and told you exactly who they would raise taxes on (note: "soak the rich" is a slight exception, but still awful) and which programs would get cut, they would LOSE!

EVERYONE votes for their own personal pocketbook... If you think the budget should be balanced and spending needs to get cut, you vote in the politician saying that and hope that they cut things you can live with them cutting because you won't like it getting cut, that's just how it is... NO ONE wants things to get cut, but you can't always get what you want, sometimes you gotta realize that what is happening is best and that it is what is needed...

This is the actual Wisconsin code in question:

111.82 Rights of employees. Employees shall have the

right of self−organization and the right to form, join or assist labor

organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of

their own choosing under this subchapter, and to engage in lawful,

concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or

other mutual aid or protection. Employees shall also have the

right to refrain from any or all of such activities.

States set all kind of rights, particularly around labor law. It's also funny that you picked out the right to vote as an example and told us to go read the Bill of Rights. Maybe you could point out in there where women or people of color were guaranteed the right to vote? The constitution was eventually amended (twice) to protect those rights, but only after they had already been granted or denied in many cases at the state level.

 

[Stinger Ray]

It's become quite obvious hes here, so we should all just ignore him, kinda like cr8f. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if bear was cr8f's alias.

I doubt it. Bear at least can string together a few sentences in his own words, although not with the most coherent thought process. cr8f is a pure cut and paste guy who is a disaster every time he writes anything by himself.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Meanwhile, Walker gives a $500M tax cut to City Brewery in Lacrosse, whose owner happened to support Walker in the election. Expected to create jobs... uh huh. Have you ever TRIED their beer?

Thought the state was broke. Anyone who thinks this is about fiscal responsibility is a fool.

It's so easy with you lefty clowns.http://www.wkbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=14279468

LA CROSSE, Wis. Rep. Jennifer Shilling joined Governor Walker to announce the creation of 100 new jobs and approximately $13 million in new investments at the historic City Brewing Company as a result of $490,000 economic development tax credit incentives from the state. After the event, Rep. Shilling released the following statement:

"City Brewing Company is a growing business in our community that has emerged as a national industry leader. I was proud to work with City Brewing, local economic development leaders, and the Doyle administration over the past year to help in creating these new jobs and economic growth. At a time when unemployment is still high, Western Wisconsin will benefit greatly from the new jobs created at City Brewery.Today's event highlights the success of the job creation proposals passed by Democrats last session. While Gov. Walker is the bearer of good news, make no mistake that City Brewery, LADCO, and Governor Doyle's administration were the ones who prepared and facilitated this economic assistance package. Thousands of local workers have benefited from the targeted tax credits that Democrats supported last session which have helped Wisconsin businesses grow and create jobs.These targeted investments are continuing to improve our community, create new jobs, and provide additional economic opportunities for our region. Helping to put people back to work has continued to be my top priority this session, and I hope that we can build upon the success of proven job creation incentives rather than providing broad tax cuts and new loopholes for out-of-state corporations."

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Meanwhile, Walker gives a $500M tax cut to City Brewery in Lacrosse, whose owner happened to support Walker in the election. Expected to create jobs... uh huh. Have you ever TRIED their beer?

Thought the state was broke. Anyone who thinks this is about fiscal responsibility is a fool.

It's so easy with you lefty clowns.http://www.wkbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=14279468

LA CROSSE, Wis. – Rep. Jennifer Shilling joined Governor Walker to announce the creation of 100 new jobs and approximately $13 million in new investments at the historic City Brewing Company as a result of $490,000 economic development tax credit incentives from the state. After the event, Rep. Shilling released the following statement:

"City Brewing Company is a growing business in our community that has emerged as a national industry leader. I was proud to work with City Brewing, local economic development leaders, and the Doyle administration over the past year to help in creating these new jobs and economic growth. At a time when unemployment is still high, Western Wisconsin will benefit greatly from the new jobs created at City Brewery.Today's event highlights the success of the job creation proposals passed by Democrats last session. While Gov. Walker is the bearer of good news, make no mistake that City Brewery, LADCO, and Governor Doyle's administration were the ones who prepared and facilitated this economic assistance package. Thousands of local workers have benefited from the targeted tax credits that Democrats supported last session which have helped Wisconsin businesses grow and create jobs.These targeted investments are continuing to improve our community, create new jobs, and provide additional economic opportunities for our region. Helping to put people back to work has continued to be my top priority this session, and I hope that we can build upon the success of proven job creation incentives rather than providing broad tax cuts and new loopholes for out-of-state corporations."

Completely

 

[Mr.Pack]

Meanwhile, Walker gives a $500M tax cut to City Brewery in Lacrosse, whose owner happened to support Walker in the election. Expected to create jobs... uh huh. Have you ever TRIED their beer? Thought the state was broke. Anyone who thinks this is about fiscal responsibility is a fool.

Ahhhh, the uninformed are so fun to read.

 

[David Dodds]

100 jobs for $500M ($5M per for those counting at home). Impressive. Who could have thought this was even possible. Maybe this should be exported to the Federal level.

 

[jon_mx]

Meanwhile, Walker gives a $500M tax cut to City Brewery in Lacrosse, whose owner happened to support Walker in the election. Expected to create jobs... uh huh. Have you ever TRIED their beer?

Thought the state was broke. Anyone who thinks this is about fiscal responsibility is a fool.

It's so easy with you lefty clowns.http://www.wkbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=14279468

LA CROSSE, Wis. – Rep. Jennifer Shilling joined Governor Walker to announce the creation of 100 new jobs and approximately $13 million in new investments at the historic City Brewing Company as a result of $490,000 economic development tax credit incentives from the state. After the event, Rep. Shilling released the following statement:

"City Brewing Company is a growing business in our community that has emerged as a national industry leader. I was proud to work with City Brewing, local economic development leaders, and the Doyle administration over the past year to help in creating these new jobs and economic growth. At a time when unemployment is still high, Western Wisconsin will benefit greatly from the new jobs created at City Brewery.Today's event highlights the success of the job creation proposals passed by Democrats last session. While Gov. Walker is the bearer of good news, make no mistake that City Brewery, LADCO, and Governor Doyle's administration were the ones who prepared and facilitated this economic assistance package. Thousands of local workers have benefited from the targeted tax credits that Democrats supported last session which have helped Wisconsin businesses grow and create jobs.These targeted investments are continuing to improve our community, create new jobs, and provide additional economic opportunities for our region. Helping to put people back to work has continued to be my top priority this session, and I hope that we can build upon the success of proven job creation incentives rather than providing broad tax cuts and new loopholes for out-of-state corporations."

Completely

500K for 100 jobs is a damn good investment. At least 100 times more cost effective than the stimulus.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

100 jobs for $500M ($5M per for those counting at home). Impressive. Who could have thought this was even possible. Maybe this should be exported to the Federal level.

Which is why I think it's absurd for Walker to even try to take credit. I'm mostly in his corner, but when I heard him celebrate one company coming to the state I laughed and thought the same thing you did.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Meanwhile, Walker gives a $500M tax cut to City Brewery in Lacrosse, whose owner happened to support Walker in the election. Expected to create jobs... uh huh. Have you ever TRIED their beer?

Thought the state was broke. Anyone who thinks this is about fiscal responsibility is a fool.

It's so easy with you lefty clowns.http://www.wkbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=14279468

LA CROSSE, Wis. – Rep. Jennifer Shilling joined Governor Walker to announce the creation of 100 new jobs and approximately $13 million in new investments at the historic City Brewing Company as a result of $490,000 economic development tax credit incentives from the state. After the event, Rep. Shilling released the following statement:

"City Brewing Company is a growing business in our community that has emerged as a national industry leader. I was proud to work with City Brewing, local economic development leaders, and the Doyle administration over the past year to help in creating these new jobs and economic growth. At a time when unemployment is still high, Western Wisconsin will benefit greatly from the new jobs created at City Brewery.Today's event highlights the success of the job creation proposals passed by Democrats last session. While Gov. Walker is the bearer of good news, make no mistake that City Brewery, LADCO, and Governor Doyle's administration were the ones who prepared and facilitated this economic assistance package. Thousands of local workers have benefited from the targeted tax credits that Democrats supported last session which have helped Wisconsin businesses grow and create jobs.These targeted investments are continuing to improve our community, create new jobs, and provide additional economic opportunities for our region. Helping to put people back to work has continued to be my top priority this session, and I hope that we can build upon the success of proven job creation incentives rather than providing broad tax cuts and new loopholes for out-of-state corporations."

Completely

500K for 100 jobs is a damn good investment. At least 100 times more cost effective than the stimulus.

You should see some of the whacky comments from the uninformed left here

http://www.jsonline.com/business/118258134.html?page=3#comments

 

[Dr. Awesome]

500K for 100 jobs is a damn good investment. At least 100 times more cost effective than the stimulus.

If it ended there, would it really be a good investment?

 

[jon_mx]

100 jobs for $500M ($5M per for those counting at home). Impressive. Who could have thought this was even possible. Maybe this should be exported to the Federal level.

Which is why I think it's absurd for Walker to even try to take credit. I'm mostly in his corner, but when I heard him celebrate one company coming to the state I laughed and thought the same thing you did.

But the number is $500K, not $500M

 

[jon_mx]

500K for 100 jobs is a damn good investment. At least 100 times more cost effective than the stimulus.

If it ended there, would it really be a good investment?

yes...

 

[Dr. Awesome]

500K for 100 jobs is a damn good investment. At least 100 times more cost effective than the stimulus.

If it ended there, would it really be a good investment?

yes...

Why is it a good investment?

 

[Johnnymac]

Damn, you should really get a grip on yourself. You sound unhinged. Again, Walker and the other pubs are cowards. Either campaign on your plan or be shown for the spineless people you are.

Again, you obviously have no clue about Walker ran on. Here's a clue, he ran on cutting spending and creating jobs.He's doing both right now.HTH

Really? What jobs has he "created"?

 

[tommy300]

100 jobs for $500M ($5M per for those counting at home). Impressive. Who could have thought this was even possible. Maybe this should be exported to the Federal level.

Check the post again...he put 500M instead of @500K...less than $5,000/job investment. Not sure what to think of it yet myself but at least use the real numbers. 5 million for any job is nuts.

 

[Sarnoff]

100 jobs for $500M ($5M per for those counting at home). Impressive. Who could have thought this was even possible. Maybe this should be exported to the Federal level.

Which is why I think it's absurd for Walker to even try to take credit. I'm mostly in his corner, but when I heard him celebrate one company coming to the state I laughed and thought the same thing you did.

But the number is $500K, not $500M

Never thought I'd see Dodds by jon_mx

 

[tommy300]

not to rehash older topics (but this was a major campaign issue), there were some jobs trying to get created in the state of Wisconsin, not at a mere 5 million a job, but closer to 15 million a job. Even if you don't like Scott Walker in Wisconsin you have to like him for stopping this idea dead in its "tracks".

http://www.notrain.com/

 

[Eric Stratton]

Damn, you should really get a grip on yourself. You sound unhinged. Again, Walker and the other pubs are cowards. Either campaign on your plan or be shown for the spineless people you are.

Again, you obviously have no clue about Walker ran on. Here's a clue, he ran on cutting spending and creating jobs.He's doing both right now.HTH

Really? What jobs has he "created"?

His budget bill saved 1,500 state employee jobs. That's a start. In addition, an Illinois company, Catalyst Exhibits, is moving to Wisconsin and will create 105 jobs. Stoughton Trailers received a loan to help bring jobs producing chasis and containers from China to their facility. That will creat 478 new jobs by the end of the year in addition to the retention of over 600 more.In 2007, the company announced it had to lay off many employees because of a sluggish trucking industry.The company will invest nearly $11 million in new equipment, training and working capital.

 

[Mr.Pack]

100 jobs for $500M ($5M per for those counting at home). Impressive. Who could have thought this was even possible. Maybe this should be exported to the Federal level.

Which is why I think it's absurd for Walker to even try to take credit. I'm mostly in his corner, but when I heard him celebrate one company coming to the state I laughed and thought the same thing you did.

But the number is $500K, not $500M

Never thought I'd see Dodds by jon_mx

Liberals never let facts get in the way of trying to make an argument,

 

[cr8f]

More protests around the state today.

I wonder if New Jersey will have to pay for sending that money money back as well.

Milwaukee Biz Blog

Walker’s great train robbery sticks us with a $60 million bill

Posted on March 15, 2011 11:14 AM

By Steve Hiniker

Last December (seems like years ago today) thousands of protesters decried then Governor-elect Walker’s decision to reject $810 million in federal dollars to construct a high-speed rail system in Wisconsin that would link Madison to Milwaukee and Chicago.

Protests were held not just in Madison and Milwaukee but in smaller towns like Waterloo that would gain economically from the rail investment. Among the suspect reasons that Mr. Walker gave for rejecting the aid was that the state couldn’t afford the annual operating costs of the federal gift.

The amount that the state “couldn’t afford” came to about $600,000 a year after federal matching subsidies. So the state ended up losing nearly a billion dollars of federal aid, thousands of engineering and construction jobs, a newly located train manufacturer in Milwaukee and countless dollars and jobs that would have occurred as a result of transit oriented development.

Rail proponents pointed out to Mr. Walker that we also stood to lose tens of millions of dollars that were badly needed for improvements to a section of state owned train tracks east of Madison as a part of the high-speed rail project.

A tone deaf Mr. Walker ignored those arguments and sent to gift back to Washington.

Now, Governor Walker is making the first payment due because of that rejection. His proposed 2011-2013 budget allocates $60 million for making the improvements to the train tracks that would have been paid for with the federal gift of $810 million for high-speed rail.

Put another way, if Mr. Walker had taken a different track, we could have had a regional rail connection that form the first link in connecting the Twin Cities to Madison to Milwaukee to Chicago and points east for about $600,000 a year. Instead, we are sent a bill by Mr. Walker for $60 million.

That $60 million could have paid for the operating costs of the system for the next 100 years.

Gone now is the opportunity for cities in Wisconsin to be linked to other major economic hubs in the region. Gone is the chance to escape high-priced gasoline, traffic jams, an opportunity to (legally) read, text or relax on trips that would take more than one or two hours to drive.

Gone is a chance for those who cannot drive to be connected with relatives and loved ones in other communities. All over a fictitious claim that we “couldn’t afford” $600,000 a year in operating costs.

Intercity passenger rail will eventually be constructed in Wisconsin. It may not happen under Governor Walker’s tenure, but our demographics, geography and economy demand it. The only thing is that instead of relying on federal aids (collected from residents in other states as well as Wisconsin) we will likely have to shoulder most of the costs ourselves.

(The new spending can be found on page 150 of AB-40, the proposed state budget bill.)

The author of this article is the director of this site.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Damn, you should really get a grip on yourself. You sound unhinged. Again, Walker and the other pubs are cowards. Either campaign on your plan or be shown for the spineless people you are.

Again, you obviously have no clue about Walker ran on. Here's a clue, he ran on cutting spending and creating jobs.He's doing both right now.HTH

Really? What jobs has he "created"?

His budget bill saved 1,500 state employee jobs. That's a start. In addition, an Illinois company, Catalyst Exhibits, is moving to Wisconsin and will create 105 jobs. Stoughton Trailers received a loan to help bring jobs producing chasis and containers from China to their facility. That will creat 478 new jobs by the end of the year in addition to the retention of over 600 more.In 2007, the company announced it had to lay off many employees because of a sluggish trucking industry.The company will invest nearly $11 million in new equipment, training and working capital.

The lefties are really getting today.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

That $60 million could have paid for the operating costs of the system for the next 100 years.

The whacko lefty blogger that wrote this is nuts if he thinks that statement is correct. It isn't even close.

 

[jon_mx]

500K for 100 jobs is a damn good investment. At least 100 times more cost effective than the stimulus.

If it ended there, would it really be a good investment?

yes...

Why is it a good investment?

Let's just say each job is $30K per year. Have no idea what Wisconsin tax schedule is, but typical is 5% income and 5% sales. After deductions, that may generate about $1000 in income tax and maybe $500 in sales taxes per year. Could be additional revenues for property taxes and generate more revenue for local businesses which in turn generates taxes. I could see it being paid back in 2 years and everything after that gravy.For comparison purpose, if Obama's $787 billion stimulus was that effective creating a job for $5000.....Over 150 million jobs would have been created. For the amount of money that was spent, Obama's stimulus did terrible at creating jobs.

 

[Saints-Man]

100 jobs for $500M ($5M per for those counting at home). Impressive. Who could have thought this was even possible. Maybe this should be exported to the Federal level.

Seems it was modeled after the stimulus bill passed under President Obama.

 

[sho nuff]

100 jobs for $500M ($5M per for those counting at home). Impressive. Who could have thought this was even possible. Maybe this should be exported to the Federal level.

Which is why I think it's absurd for Walker to even try to take credit. I'm mostly in his corner, but when I heard him celebrate one company coming to the state I laughed and thought the same thing you did.

A. As others pointed out...check the math. Now think of the actual benefit of 100 jobs...I think its more of a benefit than 5,000 per job.B. The one company coming in was the first I think...why is that funny? They just passed the cuts...they are what...2 months old and it already brought a business in from another state?C. Of course he will take credit...he was the one pushing for those cuts...if in their mind they have an outcome that shows the cut worked...they will celebrate it.

 

[cr8f]

BREAKINGNEWS: U.S. fires upon Libyan marble with blue painter's tape tipped cruise missiles; $7.5 billion est. damage

 

[bear]

Reading this thread is amusing. Teabaggers, for the most part, just teabagging each other. For my part, I have stated the fact that Scott Walker and the other pubs are cowards for not campaigning on stripping teachers of their collective bargaining rights. I have seen nothing here to even attempt to counter this. The reason is you can't. Walker and the other pubs are, simply put, cowards. Nothing the cons in this thread babble about changes that fact.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Reading this thread is amusing. Teabaggers, for the most part, just teabagging each other. For my part, I have stated the fact that Scott Walker and the other pubs are cowards for not campaigning on stripping teachers of their collective bargaining rights. I have seen nothing here to even attempt to counter this. The reason is you can't. Walker and the other pubs are, simply put, cowards. Nothing the cons in this thread babble about changes that fact.

I see you are ignoring how you clowns have been today.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Reading this thread is amusing. Teabaggers, for the most part, just teabagging each other. For my part, I have stated the fact that Scott Walker and the other pubs are cowards for not campaigning on stripping teachers of their collective bargaining rights. I have seen nothing here to even attempt to counter this. The reason is you can't. Walker and the other pubs are, simply put, cowards. Nothing the cons in this thread babble about changes that fact.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

BREAKINGNEWS: U.S. fires upon Libyan marble with blue painter's tape tipped cruise missiles; $7.5 billion est. damage

This is an example of why cutting and pasting works best for you.

 

[bear]

Reading this thread is amusing. Teabaggers, for the most part, just teabagging each other. For my part, I have stated the fact that Scott Walker and the other pubs are cowards for not campaigning on stripping teachers of their collective bargaining rights. I have seen nothing here to even attempt to counter this. The reason is you can't. Walker and the other pubs are, simply put, cowards. Nothing the cons in this thread babble about changes that fact.

I see you are ignoring how you clowns have been today.

Lol. How so?

 

[bear]

Reading this thread is amusing. Teabaggers, for the most part, just teabagging each other. For my part, I have stated the fact that Scott Walker and the other pubs are cowards for not campaigning on stripping teachers of their collective bargaining rights. I have seen nothing here to even attempt to counter this. The reason is you can't. Walker and the other pubs are, simply put, cowards. Nothing the cons in this thread babble about changes that fact.

Again, the cons in this thread have no rebuttal. Not surprising.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Reading this thread is amusing. Teabaggers, for the most part, just teabagging each other. For my part, I have stated the fact that Scott Walker and the other pubs are cowards for not campaigning on stripping teachers of their collective bargaining rights. I have seen nothing here to even attempt to counter this. The reason is you can't. Walker and the other pubs are, simply put, cowards. Nothing the cons in this thread babble about changes that fact.

Every post he makes is quite obviously Everyone needs to ignore him

 

[Mr.Pack]

Reading this thread is amusing. Teabaggers, for the most part, just teabagging each other. For my part, I have stated the fact that Scott Walker and the other pubs are cowards for not campaigning on stripping teachers of their collective bargaining rights. I have seen nothing here to even attempt to counter this. The reason is you can't. Walker and the other pubs are, simply put, cowards. Nothing the cons in this thread babble about changes that fact.

Again, the cons in this thread have no rebuttal. Not surprising.

You're needed in here.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Reading this thread is amusing. Teabaggers, for the most part, just teabagging each other. For my part, I have stated the fact that Scott Walker and the other pubs are cowards for not campaigning on stripping teachers of their collective bargaining rights. I have seen nothing here to even attempt to counter this. The reason is you can't. Walker and the other pubs are, simply put, cowards. Nothing the cons in this thread babble about changes that fact.

I see you are ignoring how you clowns have been today.

Lol. How so?

That's exactly the answer I expected.

 

[bear]

Reading this thread is amusing. Teabaggers, for the most part, just teabagging each other. For my part, I have stated the fact that Scott Walker and the other pubs are cowards for not campaigning on stripping teachers of their collective bargaining rights. I have seen nothing here to even attempt to counter this. The reason is you can't. Walker and the other pubs are, simply put, cowards. Nothing the cons in this thread babble about changes that fact.

I see you are ignoring how you clowns have been today.

Lol. How so?

That's exactly the answer I expected.

And exactly the simple question you couldn't answer.

 

[Johnnymac]

Damn, you should really get a grip on yourself. You sound unhinged. Again, Walker and the other pubs are cowards. Either campaign on your plan or be shown for the spineless people you are.

Again, you obviously have no clue about Walker ran on. Here's a clue, he ran on cutting spending and creating jobs.He's doing both right now.HTH

Really? What jobs has he "created"?

His budget bill saved 1,500 state employee jobs. That's a start. In addition, an Illinois company, Catalyst Exhibits, is moving to Wisconsin and will create 105 jobs. Stoughton Trailers received a loan to help bring jobs producing chasis and containers from China to their facility. That will creat 478 new jobs by the end of the year in addition to the retention of over 600 more.In 2007, the company announced it had to lay off many employees because of a sluggish trucking industry.The company will invest nearly $11 million in new equipment, training and working capital.

The lefties are really getting today.

I'm not a lefty.

 

[Johnnymac]

Damn, you should really get a grip on yourself. You sound unhinged. Again, Walker and the other pubs are cowards. Either campaign on your plan or be shown for the spineless people you are.

Again, you obviously have no clue about Walker ran on. Here's a clue, he ran on cutting spending and creating jobs.He's doing both right now.HTH

Really? What jobs has he "created"?

His budget bill saved 1,500 state employee jobs. That's a start. In addition, an Illinois company, Catalyst Exhibits, is moving to Wisconsin and will create 105 jobs. Stoughton Trailers received a loan to help bring jobs producing chasis and containers from China to their facility. That will creat 478 new jobs by the end of the year in addition to the retention of over 600 more.In 2007, the company announced it had to lay off many employees because of a sluggish trucking industry.The company will invest nearly $11 million in new equipment, training and working capital.

Are these "good" jobs? Would any of this have happened without Walker?

 

[The Kerminator]

Damn, you should really get a grip on yourself. You sound unhinged. Again, Walker and the other pubs are cowards. Either campaign on your plan or be shown for the spineless people you are.

Again, you obviously have no clue about Walker ran on. Here's a clue, he ran on cutting spending and creating jobs.He's doing both right now.HTH

Really? What jobs has he "created"?

His budget bill saved 1,500 state employee jobs. That's a start. In addition, an Illinois company, Catalyst Exhibits, is moving to Wisconsin and will create 105 jobs. Stoughton Trailers received a loan to help bring jobs producing chasis and containers from China to their facility. That will creat 478 new jobs by the end of the year in addition to the retention of over 600 more.In 2007, the company announced it had to lay off many employees because of a sluggish trucking industry.The company will invest nearly $11 million in new equipment, training and working capital.

The lefties are really getting today.

I'm not a lefty.

But you admit to being owned?

 

[jon_mx]

Walker did not campaign on wiping his ### either, but yet he has.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Damn, you should really get a grip on yourself. You sound unhinged. Again, Walker and the other pubs are cowards. Either campaign on your plan or be shown for the spineless people you are.

Again, you obviously have no clue about Walker ran on. Here's a clue, he ran on cutting spending and creating jobs.He's doing both right now.HTH

Really? What jobs has he "created"?

His budget bill saved 1,500 state employee jobs. That's a start. In addition, an Illinois company, Catalyst Exhibits, is moving to Wisconsin and will create 105 jobs. Stoughton Trailers received a loan to help bring jobs producing chasis and containers from China to their facility. That will creat 478 new jobs by the end of the year in addition to the retention of over 600 more.In 2007, the company announced it had to lay off many employees because of a sluggish trucking industry.The company will invest nearly $11 million in new equipment, training and working capital.

Are these "good" jobs? Would any of this have happened without Walker?

A completely pathetic reply. Let me guess...your definition of a good job must be that it is a union job.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Damn, you should really get a grip on yourself. You sound unhinged. Again, Walker and the other pubs are cowards. Either campaign on your plan or be shown for the spineless people you are.

Again, you obviously have no clue about Walker ran on. Here's a clue, he ran on cutting spending and creating jobs.He's doing both right now.HTH

Really? What jobs has he "created"?

His budget bill saved 1,500 state employee jobs. That's a start. In addition, an Illinois company, Catalyst Exhibits, is moving to Wisconsin and will create 105 jobs. Stoughton Trailers received a loan to help bring jobs producing chasis and containers from China to their facility. That will creat 478 new jobs by the end of the year in addition to the retention of over 600 more.In 2007, the company announced it had to lay off many employees because of a sluggish trucking industry.The company will invest nearly $11 million in new equipment, training and working capital.

The lefties are really getting today.

I'm not a lefty.

But you admit to being owned?

Damn

 

[bear]

Reading this thread is amusing. Teabaggers, for the most part, just teabagging each other. For my part, I have stated the fact that Scott Walker and the other pubs are cowards for not campaigning on stripping teachers of their collective bargaining rights. I have seen nothing here to even attempt to counter this. The reason is you can't. Walker and the other pubs are, simply put, cowards. Nothing the cons in this thread babble about changes that fact.

Again, the cons in this thread have no rebuttal. Not surprising.

You're needed in here.

pack. Bring more game.

 

[Darrinll40]

Walker did not campaign on wiping his ### either, but yet he has.

Proof?

 

[bear]

Walker did not campaign on wiping his ### either, but yet he has.

Is this supposed to make any kind of sense to anyone other than an idiot?

 

[Eric Stratton]

Damn, you should really get a grip on yourself. You sound unhinged. Again, Walker and the other pubs are cowards. Either campaign on your plan or be shown for the spineless people you are.

Again, you obviously have no clue about Walker ran on. Here's a clue, he ran on cutting spending and creating jobs.He's doing both right now.HTH

Really? What jobs has he "created"?

His budget bill saved 1,500 state employee jobs. That's a start. In addition, an Illinois company, Catalyst Exhibits, is moving to Wisconsin and will create 105 jobs. Stoughton Trailers received a loan to help bring jobs producing chasis and containers from China to their facility. That will creat 478 new jobs by the end of the year in addition to the retention of over 600 more.In 2007, the company announced it had to lay off many employees because of a sluggish trucking industry.The company will invest nearly $11 million in new equipment, training and working capital.

Are these "good" jobs? Would any of this have happened without Walker?

 

[jon_mx]

Walker did not campaign on wiping his ### either, but yet he has.

Is this supposed to make any kind of sense to anyone other than an idiot?

It was made to make sense to you.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Walker did not campaign on wiping his ### either, but yet he has.

Is this supposed to make any kind of sense to anyone other than an idiot?

It was made to make sense to you.

Seriously, ignore the fool.It's all schtick